Hello from Afghanistan!

[Skjold]

Hello all!  I am a soldier currently deployed to Afghanistan and am in the process of picking an Ultra Magnum Springer with Nitro upgrade to get back into Airgunning with.  As a kid I spend many an hour in the back yard with my old Chinese made springer and miss the inexpensive nature of shooting them as range-time and ammo get expensive.  I want something that has the weight and feel of a Remington 700 and can set up a simulated range in the back yard to practice BRM with and eventually train my kids in BRM.  I am currently leaning towards the Walther Talon Magnum with Nitro-piston upgrade in .177.  The intent is to create a range and targets to simulate a 800-1000 yard shot with a Remington 700 .308. I figure taking a shot at a 2 inch target with a Walther Talon Magnum in .177  using 10.5 gr CPH 10 100 yards would come close. Unless my research is off, a Walther Talon Magnum is capable of shooting a 10.5 gr CPH  at a MV of 1065.  Assuming a BC of .026, the pellet will strike the target at 100 yards with right around 10 Ft LBS of ME not only making it a good target rifle but a decent flat trajectory hunter in this caliber as well.  Any thoughts?

[dk1677]

Welcome to the GTA! and Thank you for your service!  I can't help you there but others will be along that can. Great to have you with us! Stay safe!

[MountainMan126]

Welcome and thank you for your service, don't own the rifle in question but have read a lot of favorable reviews on it and similar in .22 cal. The heavier pellets help in mag springers
Ethan

[Norm_m]

First things first! Thank you for your service. Now welcome to the GTA family. I have never shot a Walter Talon and of no help on that subject but I am sure others will chim in with all kinds of info for you.
Norm

[redone1992]

Welcome and thank you for your service.
I don't have a Walter Talon and of no help on that subject.

[Nathan]

Welcome to the GTA. Here's a different take on exactly what you want to accomplish. It can be done with a low powered airgun(you could use a high power one too), and you'll only need 35 yards of safe range space. Using lower power guns can be advantageous if you live in a suburban/urban type setting and neighbors/noise are a concern. Lower powered airguns are smaller, lighter, more easily cocked, and easier to hold than the WTM w/ Nitro spring, which, again, could be helpful with kids.

"The intent is to create a range and targets to simulate a 800-1000 yard shot with a Remington 700 .308. "

"Lorian Coughlan of South Africa, who would have surely come up with the Theory of Relativity had she not been edge out by sheer chronology, advises me and thee that the visual relationship between a target 3/4 inch in height(you use a standard empty 9mm pistol brass as the target) would be the same as the 29 inch average between a sniper's scalp and belt buckle at 1336.6 yards! So, if you got 35 yards in your backyard you can shoot at the equivalent of an enemy sniper at better than a relative 1,000 yards plus. I don't know about you, but that does pure wonders for my backyard. "

Check out the site.
http://www.minisniping.org/

Nathan

[amb5500c]

Thank you sir for your service, and welcome to the GTA.
Richard

[jonnnyboy]

Welcome, Skjold!  We thank you for your service to our beloved country and warmly welcome you to our airgunning family.  Nathan beat me to mentioning an aspect of airgunning called "mini-sniping" that I was going to recommend you check out.  The theory is that an extremely small target close-up is of the same intent and challenge as a larger target much farther away.  I know in my case that shooting at dime-sized targets has made the abilty to shoot at squirrel's heads much lesser of a challenge.  It's not always east to hit but the sheer excitement of making that precise shot does for me what hitting a deer at longer range used to do.

We presently have a number of active posts that address this very issue.  Check out "Aim small, miss small" and "Dime-sized targets".

Again, welcome brother.
joe

"Aim small . . . "  http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,18557.0.html

"Dime-sized targets . . . "  http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,17461.0.html

[Skjold]

Wow, so I am not crazy for wanting to do a simulated sniper course with an air-gun and there is actually a term for it!!!  Mini Sniping!!!  The reason I want to use the 100yard scale for my simulated 1000 yard shot is I can use the standard Army or Marine Corps 36 yard M-4/16 BZO target that simulates 300 yards to train the kids with. That same target placed at 100 yards will be roughly the same as the 800-1000 yard shot.  Training the kids on the 36 yard BZO target will prepare them if they do join the military as it is the same range and target used on M-4 M-16 BZO range. Years of shooting a springer airgun at that same target will allow them zero their M-4/16's targets without even thinking about it. I will probably buy the Talon Magnum for myself to practice the 1000 yard shot and something smaller like an Explorer or Raven for the kids on the 36 yard line.  I might even be crazy enough to build an army style pop up range for them to have random targets pop up at 10, 15, 20, and 36 meters.

[Jay]

Welcome Skjold to the GTA, All the thing's you have mentioned can be done with ease an just a touch of imagination(they make "pull" reset target's almost everywhere). One thing we have not mentioned yet is the Ultra Mag's(Talon, XL's an such)do have a steep learning curve to them before they are considered acc., it has to do with the thumping, jumping, torque they have. You just get "your can out of the sand" an back home to us an we all will help you get the yard set up for you an the kid's, in the mean time keep asking question's an we will keep trying to come up with answer's for ya. Stay Safe Young Bro.!!!

[0351_Vet]

Thank you for your service and welcome to GTA.

[Rickey]

Skjold thank you for your service.  God bless you and yours.  Rickey

[lizzie]

Welcome Skjold! Great to have you here, and thanks for your service.

[shadow]

Welcome to the family brother and thank you for your service. Ed

[joshua thompson]

I don't miss my time in Jalalabad but I do miss the friends I made with my Army SECFOR. Welcome and return safely.

[Tactical Tom]

Thank you sir for your service ! God Bless !

[crayfish]

Welcome to the GTA.