RWS 34 .177 vs .22

[El Greco]

I know it has been discussed in the past and yes I have read the thread. I was just looking to see if there are any new prospectives on the matter. I currently own a 34 in .177 and it's a laser beam. I was contemplating on buying a second and just stick with that one platform that I am familiar and comfortable to shoot and tune.
One thing I don't want to do is sacrifice accuracy for power. In your opinion, can a tuned .22 RWS 34 be as accurate as the .177? I am talking 1/4 inch or hole on hole at 25 yards.

[triggerfest]

The short answer is yes, absolutely !

I have sold mine, but did even very well with JSB Exact Jumbo 5.51mm pellets up to 50 yards. I think the .22 34 is capable to achieve the same groups as you do on 25 yards if you do your part.

[Yogi]

I know it has been discussed in the past and yes I have read the thread. I was just looking to see if there are any new prospectives on the matter. I currently own a 34 in .177 and it's a laser beam. I was contemplating on buying a second and just stick with that one platform that I am familiar and comfortable to shoot and tune.
One thing I don't want to do is sacrifice accuracy for power. In your opinion, can a tuned .22 RWS 34 be as accurate as the .177? I am talking 1/4 inch or hole on hole at 25 yards.

Please post pictures of a 1/4 inch 5 shot group at 25 yards from your .177 D34.
My 340 N-tec can do a 1/2 inch 5 shot group if I do my part and there is no wind,  3/4 inch 10 shot groups.
I am not sure there is any .22 spring gun that can do a 5 shot group at 25 yards that is 1/4 inch c-t-c.  The pellets are larger!

-Y

[jason miller]

I know it has been discussed in the past and yes I have read the thread. I was just looking to see if there are any new prospectives on the matter. I currently own a 34 in .177 and it's a laser beam. I was contemplating on buying a second and just stick with that one platform that I am familiar and comfortable to shoot and tune.
One thing I don't want to do is sacrifice accuracy for power. In your opinion, can a tuned .22 RWS 34 be as accurate as the .177? I am talking 1/4 inch or hole on hole at 25 yards.

Please post pictures of a 1/4 inch 5 shot group at 25 yards from your .177 D34.
My 340 N-tec can do a 1/2 inch 5 shot group if I do my part and there is no wind,  3/4 inch 10 shot groups.
I am not sure there is any .22 spring gun that can do a 5 shot group at 25 yards that is 1/4 inch c-t-c.  The pellets are larger!

-Y

Projectile diameter really shouldn’t have any bearing on center-to-center group size. Unless there’s something I’m not aware of in the pellet world that’s related to pellets of different diameters being more accurate?

Measure widest outside spread, subtract projectile diameter, and that equals CTC group size. A 1/4” CTC group from a .218” projectile would measure .468” outside diameter, while a 1/4” group from a .177” projectile would simply measure .427” outside diameter. The .22 cal group is wider when looking at outside diameter, but equally as accurate when measured center to center...

[jason miller]

Also, I think an N-Tec in .22 cal would be pretty cool...

[Bryan Heimann]

Please post pictures of a 1/4 inch 5 shot group at 25 yards from your .177 D34.

Excuse me, my jaw fell off onto the floor somewhere and I can't find it.


Yeah, .22's are just as accurate as .177's, pretty much.  We fight about it fortnightly on the forum which one is better.

6 of one, a half dozen of the other just not for HFT because fatter pellets don't fit inside the hole as well... but you didn't hear it from me.

[El Greco]

I know it has been discussed in the past and yes I have read the thread. I was just looking to see if there are any new prospectives on the matter. I currently own a 34 in .177 and it's a laser beam. I was contemplating on buying a second and just stick with that one platform that I am familiar and comfortable to shoot and tune.
One thing I don't want to do is sacrifice accuracy for power. In your opinion, can a tuned .22 RWS 34 be as accurate as the .177? I am talking 1/4 inch or hole on hole at 25 yards.

Please post pictures of a 1/4 inch 5 shot group at 25 yards from your .177 D34.
My 340 N-tec can do a 1/2 inch 5 shot group if I do my part and there is no wind,  3/4 inch 10 shot groups.
I am not sure there is any .22 spring gun that can do a 5 shot group at 25 yards that is 1/4 inch c-t-c.  The pellets are larger!

-Y

I will do you one better. I will try and make a video and post it here tomorrow.

[Arch_E]

I know it has been discussed in the past and yes I have read the thread. I was just looking to see if there are any new prospectives on the matter. I currently own a 34 in .177 and it's a laser beam. I was contemplating on buying a second and just stick with that one platform that I am familiar and comfortable to shoot and tune.
One thing I don't want to do is sacrifice accuracy for power. In your opinion, can a tuned .22 RWS 34 be as accurate as the .177? I am talking 1/4 inch or hole on hole at 25 yards.

Please post pictures of a 1/4 inch 5 shot group at 25 yards from your .177 D34.
My 340 N-tec can do a 1/2 inch 5 shot group if I do my part and there is no wind,  3/4 inch 10 shot groups.
I am not sure there is any .22 spring gun that can do a 5 shot group at 25 yards that is 1/4 inch c-t-c.  The pellets are larger!

-Y

I will do you one better. I will try and make a video and post it here tomorrow.

Looking forward to it, Christos. Let's see those Frauleins at work.

Best of luck, and I hope you get satisfaction with your new magnum (one way or another),

Archie

[WolfyW]

They can be darn accurate. Just shot this out back. It's a t05 trigger, 18 yards with my hand between stock and step ladder. The guides are still factory. Factory spring was on the way out estimating pellet count, and it had the classic kink an inch from one end. A new Maccarri spring and Diana factory seal added on the weekend. 100 shots through it so I don't assume it's broke in. And a 52 year old behind the wheel with scope set to 4x. Flyer is my trigger control but that's 5 shots. I think the 22 calls are fine. And I have a HW97 KT .177 to compare to.

[Arch_E]

They can be darn accurate. Just shot this out back. It's a t05 trigger, 18 yards with my hand between stock and step ladder. The guides are still factory. Factory spring was on the way out estimating pellet count, and it had the classic kink an inch from one end. A new Maccarri spring and Diana factory seal added on the weekend. 100 shots through it so I don't assume it's broke in. And a 52 year old behind the wheel with scope set to 4x. Flyer is my trigger control but that's 5 shots. I think the 22 calls are fine. And I have a HW97 KT .177 to compare to.

That's a very nice specimen of fine shooting...even, or especially, at Canadian speeds [humor intended, but not meant to be offensive])

Archie, who actually believes that is great shooting!

[WolfyW]

They can be darn accurate. Just shot this out back. It's a t05 trigger, 18 yards with my hand between stock and step ladder. The guides are still factory. Factory spring was on the way out estimating pellet count, and it had the classic kink an inch from one end. A new Maccarri spring and Diana factory seal added on the weekend. 100 shots through it so I don't assume it's broke in. And a 52 year old behind the wheel with scope set to 4x. Flyer is my trigger control but that's 5 shots. I think the 22 calls are fine. And I have a HW97 KT .177 to compare to.

That's a very nice specimen of fine shooting...even, or especially, at Canadian speeds [humor intended, but not meant to be offensive])

Archie, who actually believes that is great shooting!

Lol! That was shot with its preferred Air Arms 16 gr. Right at reassembly it was clocking, give or take, 720 feet per hour( Canadian Speed) with CPUMs  And if people dont shoot straight up here, they soon become polar bear scat.

[Blacktalon6]

I had both I still have the .22. Both would hit beer caps at 35 yards all day long. I kept the .22 because I use it for critters around the house.

[El Greco]

Thanks guys ,it sounds like the .22 is right up there with the .177 in this platform.

[WolfyW]

Thanks guys ,it sounds like the .22 is right up there with the .177 in this platform.

Your original post refers to accuracy. Accuracy is one thing, trajectory is another.

[El Greco]

Thanks guys ,it sounds like the .22 is right up there with the .177 in this platform.

Your original post refers to accuracy. Accuracy is one thing, trajectory is another.

I am confused. So you are saying that you have experience that suggests otherwise? Like you said, accuracy is key here in this comparison

[WolfyW]

Thanks guys ,it sounds like the .22 is right up there with the .177 in this platform.

Your original post refers to accuracy. Accuracy is one thing, trajectory is another.

I am confused. So you are saying that you have experience that suggests otherwise? Like you said, accuracy is key here in this comparison

Didn't mean to confuse. All things being equal, I'm not sure why accuracy would be a question. I do wonder though, when accuracy is referenced by some, what they really mean is that they struggle with the trajectory difference when shooting unknown distances. .177 shoots flatter, .22 takes a little more effort for some to adapt to the trajectory. Otherwise, if each caliber is sighted for a 30 yard target, it's up to the shooter. The rifle will do it's part.


As a side note,  the resprung. 22 cal above is the one in the avatar. A few autumns ago. Furthest squirrel paced 38 yards through both shoulders, one shot.
The Diana outperformed me that day. But.....

As a late airgun wise man once said " it's 30% the gun, 70% the shooter".   

[El Greco]

Accuracy as I meant it was groups , say at 25 yards.