Author Topic: 1322 Pistol + Aluminum Breech + Red Dot = FUN! (Read 4522 times))

Matchstickshooter · « **Reply #20 on:** July 13, 2019, 08:54:13 PM »

Quote from: avator on July 13, 2019, 07:37:27 PM

Just to clarify... you don't want a spent one. You'll want to gut a fresh one.

You mean the rat shot shell? you lost me......

xiholdtruex · « **Reply #21 on:** July 14, 2019, 04:08:57 AM »

Very nice hope to pick one of these up soon. Love shooting my 1377 so far

avator · « **Reply #22 on:** July 14, 2019, 06:16:02 AM »

Quote from: Matchstickshooter on July 13, 2019, 08:54:13 PM

Quote from: avator on July 13, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
Just to clarify... you don't want a spent one. You'll want to gut a fresh one.

You mean the rat shot shell? you lost me......

You want to use an unfired shell so it don't have the dent from a firing pin in it. So you pull the plastic wad, shot and powder out of it.

Matchstickshooter · « **Reply #23 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:48:58 AM »

Quote from: avator on July 14, 2019, 06:16:02 AM

Quote from: Matchstickshooter on July 13, 2019, 08:54:13 PM
Quote from: avator on July 13, 2019, 07:37:27 PM
Just to clarify... you don't want a spent one. You'll want to gut a fresh one.

You mean the rat shot shell? you lost me......
You want to use an unfired shell so it don't have the dent from a firing pin in it. So you pull the plastic wad, shot and powder out of it.

Ah, okay, gotcha!
I pull the lead on a regular shell myself,and wash the powder out of the rim. (old age brain cramps!)

avator · « **Reply #24 on:** July 14, 2019, 08:53:15 AM »

BIL had a ton of .22 ammo when he passed. My sister loads me up every time we visit.

Matchstickshooter · « **Reply #25 on:** July 14, 2019, 01:59:18 PM »

Quote from: avator on July 14, 2019, 08:53:15 AM

BIL had a ton of .22 ammo when he passed. My sister loads me up every time we visit.

Bill,
A little side story on why I wash the stuff out of the rim...
When I was a young fellow, I started my career doing bench work in a machining company.
Messing around one day, I had inadvertently brought a .22 LR in to work in my jeans pocket.
Put the lead point in a vise and gently removed the shell,spilling out the powder.
I remembered there was a charge in the rim, and put my stupid cap on.
Took a jobbers length 1/8" drill bit and put it in the shell casing, and dropped it on the cement, rim first.
You know what??? Our ceilings were 12' high, and that drill bit STUCK in that ceiling!
So always clean out the casing!

Insanity · « **Reply #26 on:** July 14, 2019, 02:18:31 PM »

I seen people put a 22 in a straw and throw it. It goes off and who know to where.

BrushPopper · « **Reply #27 on:** July 14, 2019, 03:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Insanity on July 14, 2019, 02:18:31 PM

I seen people put a 22 in a straw and throw it. It goes off and who know to where.

Sounds like a good Macgiver-ism for distracting the enemy...

But yeah, rendering the priming compound in the rim of the ‘gutted’ shell inert would prolly be a good idea.

A drop or two of a penetrating oil down inside should do it

BigBird · « **Reply #28 on:** July 16, 2019, 12:28:15 AM »

Quote from: Insanity on July 14, 2019, 02:18:31 PM

I seen people put a 22 in a straw and throw it. It goes off and who know to where.

Without the barrel walls directing the bullet the pressure will for the most part go out.

Vee3 · « **Reply #29 on:** July 16, 2019, 02:00:26 AM »

Quote from: Insanity on July 14, 2019, 02:18:31 PM

I seen people put a 22 in a straw and throw it. It goes off and who know to where.

My buddies and I did it regularly. Case blew apart and the bullet was stuck in the straw 100% of the time.

avator · « **Reply #30 on:** July 16, 2019, 07:01:20 AM »

As kids someone would always toss some kind of bullet/shell in the fire. The casing on a bullet was almost always what came flying out but you never know about a shotgun shell.

n2omike · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2019, 03:14:13 PM »

Quote from: n2omike on July 13, 2019, 02:50:45 PM

A little rich for this gun... so I went to Ebay and found a lighter spring for $9. Supposed to go down to around 1-2 pounds, which is more than light enough. Off a rest, it's not that hard to shoot with a stiff trigger, but offhand, the lighter trigger spring should help quite a bit. If I want to get fancy and feel energetic, I can smooth the trigger parts out to slicken it up a little.

Plus, that trigger is coming from the UK... and shipped, it's 40 British pounds, which is around $50... and you have to wait on it.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIGHT-TRIGGER-SPRING-Crosman-1377-1322-2289-2240-2250-2300-2400KT-1300KT/112830578578?_trkparms=ispr%3D1&hash=item1a4539ff92:g:JjwAAOSw6S5dG73q&enc=AQADAAAB0KX%2FKt4E1xf3SDqEdBclaYZhd9x98U%2F3fGlBFLMkwFigXbJeJNF2Aac64PgXEReg6DEp44eLNrGZkMYn%2BYLOW4LdU2OtIT2fpO6yTWP1LkY6oOv2r%2BqGzKNBu%2BgDVtX5WMfkcQElmUr9MCcEQrdDLkogrjjDbuvclXfK0%2BVOawsiwD7JrQ2%2BOmM53qsoYv%2FWksZGArjgTvTWZT5BSPgjptWO7saAdTqC6tFk%2B0%2BhxVadYQopnXG60VzmboJ%2BEq%2FUB7i%2Boeks7kapVZCDatOBa5RaKtHeh0eD%2FzUWqTwxGNvLSyuuOcNiaEC73%2BTpV7dT1OuLGZLObHNbYblAPS3s0EqP63KwqEmzsroacRdAsaeGfh7rmH4Tk%2FDUYyNAd0BSXOTX7G1YPQte4tzxh3ragY9cJZOu%2Fz31SXmVXuEtJUUuJFX7%2Ba6aneLMEGch9wgFACcosomiHfwNleaZmU94FIiKCejKc7B5fJV5dEIMNh1Q1r3tSa0hgxQ4QdW62W%2F3qVzNV8UvBZeWAUAqE8clm880nlU0oBXibhcIRX2MuRaXEJqlNk%2FlC3PYU4AQbjaoAPr5WxxZ%2B%2FDYfbMeWaKrpSEA8AzHUUGuacLZh1zA32fz&checksum=112830578578de9e4a066d2045b28be74a34b39ac54e

The $9 trigger spring came in the mail today, and it took literally 30 seconds to install. One Phillips screw to remove the grip, then however much time it took pull the old spring out with my fingers, and install the new one. (not very long) lol

I didn't fool with any empty shell casings or anything... Just stuck it in there, and the improvement is amazing! Gun was impossible to shoot accurately offhand before, but now is MUCH easier to hold on target! My spring scale would not fit on this gun very well, but comparing it to other guns I own, I would estimate it to be around 2 pounds. It's not so weak that the gun will go off unexpectedly, but not too stiff that it's hard to shoot... Pretty much just right, and still safe.

Anyone else wanting to easily and inexpensively get a good trigger pull out of their guns, this mod is highly recommended! After getting a second flip style scope cover for the front (only had one on it before) and this spring, I declare this pistol officially finished! lol

Good Luck!

n2omike · « **Reply #32 on:** July 20, 2019, 03:58:54 PM »

Okay... To add to the above post...

Curiosity got the best of me, so I decided to try the .22 LR shell casing in the spring mod. I wanted to use the one with the smoothest bottom, and out of what I have here, the Federal was fairly minimal with just an 'F' stamp. Clamped the lead bullet in a vice, and used pliers to pull the casing free without damage. (pulled up on rim without clamping down)

Anyway, stuck the casing in there and gave it a whirl. What I found was that it made the trigger pull about a half pound stiffer, but smoother. Without the shell casing, you could feel the spring crinkling a little, but with it the pull was smoother. After going back and forth a few times, I decided the trigger was a little better with the shell casing.

It's not a competition trigger, as there is still some drag sometimes... and it's not 100% consistent. That $50 trigger kit from the UK would probably be a little better...... But for the purpose and intended use of this gun, this spring is exactly what it needed. Cost wise, it's still on the happy side of the law of diminishing returns. lol

Good Luck!

avator · « **Reply #33 on:** July 20, 2019, 05:01:33 PM »

Polish that shell casing up real good and put some moly paste on it. You can even squeeze the spring until coil bind and hold for a bit.

n2omike · « **Reply #34 on:** July 20, 2019, 06:42:50 PM »

Quote from: avator on July 20, 2019, 05:01:33 PM

Polish that shell casing up real good and put some moly paste on it. You can even squeeze the spring until coil bind and hold for a bit.

Now THAT did the trick! I compressed the spring to coil bind in my vice for a few minutes, but I don't think that really did much.
Used some polishing compound on the base of the shell casing, but don't think that really did much.

BUT... I had some Moly 60 that is used on the splines of shaft drive motorcycles. It's a very high moly content that is designed to dry off and still lubricate. The combination of the shell AND the lube is what really made things work!

So...

Stock? Trigger is super stiff, and very hard to shoot offhand.
Lighter Spring? HUGE improvement!
Lighter Spring with Shell Casing? Slightly stiffer than no shell, but a little smoother.
Lighter Spring with some moly grease on the bottom? As light or lighter than no shell, and very smooth.

My recommendations:
Buy the $9 spring, pull the bullet out of a .22LR for the shell casing... (could possibly use a fired one, as I don't think it touches that far out on the rim) ...put some moly grease on the base of the casing where it touches the trigger parts... and enjoy a CHEAP, excellent feeling trigger!

To re-create this gun:
Pistol $50
Aluminum Breech $36.50 ($45 with shipping)
Tasco Red Dot Scope $35
Flip Caps $9.61 (x2)
Trigger Spring $9
shell casing and grease $0

Everything was free shipping except the aluminum breech, so it comes out to almost $160... But, that is a fully completed gun WITH optic... so NOT TOO BAD! ...especially considering the performance and accuracy. To group around 2" at 30+ yards handheld off a porch rail and zero magnification is pretty impressive to me... and that was with the stock trigger. Very impressed with the Crossman 1322!

Good Luck!

avator · « **Reply #35 on:** July 20, 2019, 06:48:35 PM »

One more step.... polish that sear where the shell casing contacts it and put some moly there as well.

BigBird · « **Reply #36 on:** July 20, 2019, 07:29:34 PM »

Now we need another range report. Will it help your group size?

Matchstickshooter · « **Reply #37 on:** July 20, 2019, 07:51:14 PM »

You're shooting offhand? Try resting off a bag on a table. And if you ever get to try a carbine stock.....WOW!

n2omike · « **Reply #38 on:** July 20, 2019, 08:46:57 PM »

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You're shooting offhand? Try resting off a bag on a table. And if you ever get to try a carbine stock.....WOW!

One more step.... polish that sear where the shell casing contacts it and put some moly there as well.

Previous shooting was done resting off the rail of the porch with two hands... one on the grip, and the other on the forearm. Was able to hold it steady that way. Hardest part was seeing the target. Had to put my glasses on to even see the thing. My eyes like magnification! lol

Okay... I decided to take the step and polish the rest of the trigger bits. I used a tiny hex wrench to remove the trigger plate, then removed the sear and trigger. The sear was ROUGH. I used sandpaper to make it smooth where both the spring rides, where the trigger rides, and smoothed it out a little (not a whole lot) on the sear catch, itself. Also hit the contact areas with a light film of moly.

One thing to note! The safety has a detent that uses a tiny spring and ball to index itself. Once you take the trigger plate off, it's bowed up in there, ready to release and blast off into the unknown, never to be found again! Luckily, mine didn't launch into orbit. It stayed put. Now, fast forward to putting the finished pieces back in place... and the spring/ball comes loose! They didn't get lost, but were a PITA to put back into place. They are TINY! Ended up dabbing a little grease onto the spring to hold the ball in place... and loosened the grip assembly to pull back far enough to set the spring/ball in place, and insert the safety lever. Got lucky... You'll definitely need your reading glasses for that. lol

Was all of this worth it? From the rough looks of the sear, one would think it would be a huge improvement. In reality... trigger pull was pretty much exactly the same, but maybe a hair bit smoother. With the grip off, I was able to put my spring scale on there, but it wasn't perfectly straight and free. Trigger pull, as measured from a less than efficient angle, was 48 ounces... which is exactly 3 pounds. In actuality, it may be closer to 2 lbs. I don't know. What I can testify, is that it is VERY shootable offhand. It's a 10X improvement over stock. NO COMPARISON. For $9, you cannot beat it.

Trigger is nice, but there is still a little drag. A little work shorting the sear catch would likely eliminate it, but I'm not taking it back apart, as I don't want to take a chance on the safety ball/spring detent shooting off into never-never land! lol I guess a person could take the grip assembly off first, and eliminate that risk... but, what-ev... I'm calling it 'done'... again. lol
EDIT... After shooting a few more rounds, I'm feeling zero drag... well, maybe a tiny bit sometimes, depending on how it is cocked... but very small. Possibly just needed shot a few times. Trigger feels super smooth. REALLY liking it!

If I were advising someone what to do to their gun... I would do everything outside of removing the trigger plate. 90% of the gains compared to stock can be had by just swapping the spring, and installing a greased .22 casing. Easy Peasy!

Good Luck!

Matchstickshooter · « **Reply #39 on:** July 20, 2019, 10:00:40 PM »

I actually made my spring too weak, to the point of it wouldn't cock. So had to back up a wee bit.(I had compressed it too much.)
When and if you take that plate off again...
I Super glued the ball into the end of the safety spring.
Works like a charm.(I've scrounged around on the floor enough on my hands and knees.
Had to order one before too.
If you lose the spring, you can get another out of a spent bic lighter, ..take it apart carefully, and cut it down.

You can sometimes substitute that safety ball with a bead from the top of a pin. Cut it off leaving a bit of the pin as a guide.
Or, a bead from a tiny pull chain...

Your drag may go away as it wears in some more. Have Fun!

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1322 Pistol + Aluminum Breech + Red Dot = FUN!

Author Topic: 1322 Pistol + Aluminum Breech + Red Dot = FUN! (Read 4522 times))