Bullpup and PCP is it a fad or are their benefits?

[vigilandy]

Bullpups are hands down the winner if shooting from a vehicle.  Try to maneuver a Mrod from the driver's side to the passenger's side and you see what I mean.  That led me to getting my dad a Cricket compact.  Best gift I've ever gotten him.

I think it's against the law to shoot from a vehicle here, except I think you can hunt waterfowl from a boat.

Understand that for taking game animals regulated under the fish and game code.  Didn't think it was an issue for nongame.  Honestly never even thought it would be regulated but I'll look into it.   

Edit.  I'll be darned.  Quick look and I can't find an exception for rats of any kind.  Let's just assume I was referring to target shooting.

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[colorider]

I'm wielding an at44-10 with a bipod, hawk's largest scope and a sling.  Think it weighs in at a ton.  May have to check out one of these bullpup things.  Lol.

[39M]

I'm wielding an at44-10 with a bipod, hawk's largest scope and a sling.  Think it weighs in at a ton.  May have to check out one of these bullpup things.  Lol.

Or get a smaller scope and lose the bipod.

[zx10wall]

I've heard Manny and others bring up the scope height "problem" with bullpups before. I don't see it. If you have your aim points worked out within your reticle, then you're kosher. Look at all the super shooting out there with high scoped bullpups from different yardages. The guys have their ballistics worked out. Now, if you just want to see and shoot without thinking of distance or hold over, then yeah, put the scope right on the bore.

I really do like the look of the Cricket Mini Carbine. They need to offer it in .25.

[wimpanzee]

I've heard Manny and others bring up the scope height "problem" with bullpups before. I don't see it. If you have your aim points worked out within your reticle, then you're kosher. Look at all the super shooting out there with high scoped bullpups from different yardages. The guys have their ballistics worked out. Now, if you just want to see and shoot without thinking of distance or hold over, then yeah, put the scope right on the bore.

I really do like the look of the Cricket Mini Carbine. They need to offer it in .25.

Yes, but even a minor cant can have a drastic effect. I put a little level right in front of my scope on the weaver rail that I can check with one eye to make sure I am not tilting. It happens a surprising amount, even when the reticle looks 'even' through the scope.

[Dairyboy]

Yeah the scope height is my only drawback on a bullpup. Even so I got mine on my Veteran as low as I could get it at about 2.2". Cant issues who woulda known?! My bubble level must have gotten bumped and I was missing birds at 60yds cause it was shooting an inch to the left. Corrected it and had 3 headshots in a row on dove at 80yds then at 130yds hit a Ground squirrel. That cant is something you gotta be serious about for longer range shooting

[zx10wall]

Cant should be a concern with anything you are shooting. That's a given and a proper level is a must.

[Cathartes]

I'm wielding an at44-10 with a bipod, hawk's largest scope and a sling.  Think it weighs in at a ton.  May have to check out one of these bullpup things.  Lol.

Craftsman Vit makes an amazing bullpup kit for AT44s. You might check it out. Visually it is the same as the Marauder one in my signature if you want to take a look.

[kkarmical]

Comparing bullpup firearms to airguns may satisfy some of you, but I cannot abide by the comparison myself since I'd never consider an airgun for tactical or combat operations.  This is nothing but a subjective question about preference, and while it is an interesting discussion, I don't know if it really accomplishes anything other than give people something to argue about.  Still, we all enjoy mental exercise, so...    

I would hope that no one would be using air guns in combat or tactical operations.  I just have logged more than a few hours in  tactical shooting situations and was just expressing what the fit of a bullpup vs traditional rifle felt like to me, which was why I mentioned muscle memory.

Furthermore this is simply an open discussion not an argument in any means, there are so many skilled traditional hunters out there, I'm not one of them I learned shoot a little different than most, and have a little different outlook which was all I was trying to share.

I've hunted with Pups for years and I've owned more than 1/2 dz of them.

What I like about Pups is that you can carry them with a one point sling and you have the ability to use our hands when moving in difficult terrain, I also like the fact that you can pack them away easily ( but than again you can pack a rifle with a foldable stock just as easy ) .....as for maneuvering in thick brush ? ...I hunt very, very thick areas and I find no difference between a Pup and a Carbine in maneuverability.

However I believe there's a huge downside to Pups,
......by the nature of the gun you will have to mount the scope higher that I like and when hunting in places where distance isn't set that is very much
 detrimental to good accuracy.

My favorite design at the moment is something on the lines of  the Cricket Mini-Carbine style

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In my Opinion it's the best compromise at the time being, still short but lets you get the scope nice and low

Manny,
I like my scopes low as well currently I'm using the stock rail with lowest rings I had, but I have a couple different rails on the way to see if I can get it just a tad lower, but it sits pretty low if you ask me.  My .25 scope rides just as low.

[Tweeter]

Alot of the bullpups are coming standard with a 20moa rail now.  That should help counteract the scope height a little shouldn't it, or no?

[Nomadic Pirate]

I'm wielding an at44-10 with a bipod, hawk's largest scope and a sling.  Think it weighs in at a ton.  May have to check out one of these bullpup things.  Lol.

Don't just assume that because it's shorter it's automatically lighter,

if the action is the same the actual Pup stock isn't much lighter if any at all, also you have extra parts like the rail unit and trigger linkage on the Pups,...so the smaller package don't automatically translate to a lighter rifle

[sactargetshooter]

I'm wielding an at44-10 with a bipod, hawk's largest scope and a sling.  Think it weighs in at a ton.  May have to check out one of these bullpup things.  Lol.

A Mutant Shorty + Clearidge RM 3-9x32 scope weighs 8 pounds, or slightly less. I do have a Versapod adapter on mine. Good thing about Versapod bipods is that they are very easy to attach and detach.

Then, again, I only get a max of 28 FPE from the Shorty, as opposed to 50+ FPE possible from an at44 long platform.

[Bizill]

Alot of the bullpups are coming standard with a 20moa rail now.  That should help counteract the scope height a little shouldn't it, or no?

I was unaware of anyone other than the new Taipan Veteran.  I think American Air Arms might as well...?

[plinker81366]

i have standard rifles and a bullpup, there really are times where a bullpup is needed lol