Unknown pumper ?

[Ultramarine]

As many other multipump fans, I've been looking for a Sharp Innova. I mean something similar and as accurate, because it's been a long time since this japanese pumper hasn't  been manufactured. So I bought a kind of Webley Rebel clone in Germany some years ago but I was deeply disapointed. I tinkered a lot, trying to find the reasons why it would never shoot regularly but never succeeded. I've heard about some people satisfied with their Webley pumper and it might be a lottery  but I'm definitely looking for something else.
During a few months, I could see on a website in Poland a "Sharp Innova" that didn't look exactly like a Webley Rebel, its barrel being obviously longer. But they quickly didn't sell it anymore...
Now it seems that this ghost air rifle has reappeared in the Republic of South Africa, with the name of Tiger Pump !  :
http://www.stunguns.co.za/11VI.asp?idProduct=3105&Tiger+Pump+Style+4%2E5mm+Air+Rifle+Wood+Mahogany
Has anyone in GTA heard about - or even better, tried this rifle ?

[Big Bore Bart]

I believe it to be the Indonesian copy of the Sharp that has been around for a few years.... Every where but here.

[Ultramarine]

I might be wrong but I believe this rifle to be different from the Sharp Ace or Sharp Tiger manufactured in Indonesia. As the Weybel Clone can be found in Europe under the Norconia label (it's called Norconia P1) I suspect Norinco to manufacture all these pumpers, I mean Webely Rebels, WN Airstrike (Germany), Norconia P1(Germany, Italy, Spain, Netherland, etc.), Polish Sharp Innovas and South African "Tiger Pump".

I feel like a poor private detective, but I'd really like to know where all those rifles come from.

[cold.lead]

they had sharp dragons, a longer pumper.  they sharp ace pistols, very cool.  they had a cool co2 rifle....   once you get talking with airgunners over there, you'll learn a lot.  but shipping from there is really risky.   i think he passed away , but target tunes in india showed me to a fellow that owned a machine shop in indo.  he had a very cool collection...

[Ultramarine]

As I said to Bart, I don't think those specific Sharp Innovas  come from Indonesia. Indonesia has been manufacturing a lot of "Sharp Innova like" pumpers for long, under various names (Innova, Ace, Tiger, etc.) Most of them look well built, with nice engraved and checkered stocks and are probably closer to the original Japanese pumper but there are slight differences with the "Norconia/Rebel" family that make me think that these last ones are made somewhere else. The receiver, the longer barrel, the rear sight are sometimes really different.

On a polish site, they've been reported as Turkish made. That's what I had read about the Webley Rebel somewhere but I can't find it back.
What I'm interested in with these multi-pumpers is the cartridge style compression chamber, but that goes along with self cocking at the first pump, which is a bit hazardous.
But before all, I expect the long one-piece foresight that covers the end of the longer barrel to prevent the misalignment my rifled suffered.
To be continued
As GTA is an international forum, may be some people from Poland, Turkey or South Africa could help me...

[SteveP-52]

Because I asked about anything Webley & Scott branded in a UK forum I belong to, the name was bought out by a company called the Highland Group in the UK in 2006 when Webley & Scott went into receivership. The Highland group then contracted Hatsan to build the Webley branded air rifles for them and unless things have changed very recently, they still are.
Hope this helps a little with at least the Turkish built part of your question.

[Ultramarine]

Thank you, yes, it's a good clue, as for example Webley Alectos and Zorakis are just the same MSP pistols.
But I couldn't find anything in Turkish websites attesting that those Sharp Innovas come from there... Although I can't understand a word of Turkish.