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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2016, 05:40:36 PM »
And here we go with episode IV- A New Hope...just kidding. This time, I go over applying the first coat of True Oil gloss finish to the stock. Besides setting the mood with my new cap & shirt.

And a pic of the stock propped up to dry...
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2016, 12:15:26 AM »
I got the butt plate & safety switch in the mail today. But Photobucket won't finish uploading & gets stuck? So I can't uploads pic? The safety switch doesn't look like it fits over that little rod with seal in the pic above? But in place of it?? The butt plate is too short. But if I could chop & section it and the old one, I could make one to fit. Can that type of plastic be super glued?
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2016, 01:50:35 AM »
I got the butt plate & safety switch in the mail today. But Photobucket won't finish uploading & gets stuck? So I can't uploads pic? The safety switch doesn't look like it fits over that little rod with seal in the pic above? But in place of it?? The butt plate is too short. But if I could chop & section it and the old one, I could make one to fit. Can that type of plastic be super glued?

I would think so, but it might not be able to match up perfectly as it's a tapered shape.
You'll probably need some epoxy putty, or just buy some black flip flops from the dollar store and make one out of that.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2016, 01:55:07 AM »
Here's the complete set of Crossman factory service diagrams, instructions, etc I saved from another member's post; http://stevespages.com/pdf/crosman_factory_service_manual_all.pdf
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2016, 05:40:32 PM »
OK, everything got changed to separate browser & erased? Edge browser, win10. anyway, photobucket is fixed, so here's the old butt plate, left, NOS butt plate, right, with NOS safety switch;

Now, the Cocking block, hammer spring, & Hammer below where they go in the Co2 tube;

Now, the Locating Screw (blued, threaded tube thing facing away from viewer), And aluminum valve assembly through hole on right, Set Screw removed.

And lastly, the Baker Airguns seal kit together with the other parts views;

Basically, the instructions say to push the valve assembly out of the Co2 tube with an 1/8" rod. It doesn't say which way to push it out, & you can't look at it & have it be obvious???
« Last Edit: September 07, 2016, 05:42:32 PM by unionrdr »
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #25 on: September 07, 2016, 09:13:08 PM »
If I remember right, it pushes out the back. Use a wood dowel more like a half inch in diameter. You may have to tap it out. An 1/8" dowel might splinter in your hand.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2016, 02:47:41 PM »
OK, I finally got it! I used a metal kitchen skewer to push it out. The Valve Assembly (page 8.2 in the service manual) is pushed out the front. That is to say, the threaded end of the Co2 Tube the cap goes on in this view;
 
Disassembled view;

So, in other words, it is pushed out from left to right in this pic. The reason being that the Locating Screw (threaded tube that mounts it to the stock) is permanently pressed into a bushing that acts as a stop for the Valve Assembly to properly locate when re-assembled. That bushing (called, " inner plug")has a 1/8" diameter hole in it to push the valve out the front through from the rear. And a close-up of the valve assembly, which, by the way, was pushed in backwards;
 
On to video #5!
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Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
Crosman Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25 caliber with Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope

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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2016, 06:32:28 PM »
OK, I did Episode 5 in two parts so I could work in some close-up shots of certain parts.


Next time, I'll start stripping the old bluing & rust. Then clean/polish the metal a bit before rebluing everything. I'll also do one last fine sanding of the stock & one more coat of oil before I finally start re-assembling this thing! I can't wait to see how well it shoots after fixing it all up!
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AIR17 1/87, .177cal, returned to son for Christmas '16
Crosman 160 Pellgun, 1955-56 .22cal Co2, variant 1 antique/Centerpoint 4x32 scope/Ron Robinson mounts
Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
Crosman Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25 caliber with Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope

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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2016, 11:33:22 AM »
Used some more 600 grit sandpaper on the stock's high spots, & last coat of Tru-Oil just now.

Now to start the stank, messy part; stripping the old rust & bluing so I can take my time polishing the metal. Then bluing it all. Thinking of polishing the Breech bolt, while bluing the Breech Bolt Knob? Got a couple small seals left to do during re-assembly that'll be shown then. Gonna re-blue all the screw heads as well.
You know, the more I go through this gun, the more I think the factory's stock stain/varnish/polish coating was rather cloudy to help hide the grain a little & smooth out the over-all look of it to make it appear finer-grained than it really was? I don't know why myself? I like the character of the wood grain!
Here's a couple pics of rebuilt/cleaned parts;
Exhaust valve with old stem top, new bottom. New one too large of shaft diameter to use.

And rebuilt Valve Assembly with cleaned Hammer parts;
« Last Edit: October 05, 2016, 03:38:56 PM by unionrdr »
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AIR17 1/87, .177cal, returned to son for Christmas '16
Crosman 160 Pellgun, 1955-56 .22cal Co2, variant 1 antique/Centerpoint 4x32 scope/Ron Robinson mounts
Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
Crosman Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25 caliber with Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope

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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #29 on: September 10, 2016, 05:34:56 PM »
I got started on Episode 6 this afternoon, then it got dark, thunder, rain, etc. Room darkened as I was shooting, so may have to re-shoot tomorrow? anyway, I degreased, stripped & started polishing the trigger guard/screws, receiver & 2-piece bolt assembly. Here's a lil taste;


The metal is very silvery/shiny to the naked eye. Idk why it looks so funky in the pic? Maybe reflecting dark surface, or darkened room? Will have to set'em on a sheet of printer paper.
OK, here we go...

It's hard to believe 60 year-old parts can look so good so fast?! A lil more polishing, then I start bluing them. Wanted to do some small parts first, just to see how well this new stuff works.
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AIR17 1/87, .177cal, returned to son for Christmas '16
Crosman 160 Pellgun, 1955-56 .22cal Co2, variant 1 antique/Centerpoint 4x32 scope/Ron Robinson mounts
Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
Crosman Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25 caliber with Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope

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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #30 on: September 10, 2016, 08:23:49 PM »
Are you going to heat the parts before blueing them?
I have read that improves the results and going to try it the next time myself.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #31 on: September 10, 2016, 08:34:39 PM »
Yes ... some heat in the part gives a deeper more even blue.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #32 on: September 11, 2016, 10:24:21 AM »
Don't have anything to heat them with...unless a hair drier will do? I don't have heat guns or anything like that.
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Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #33 on: September 11, 2016, 11:12:27 AM »
I imagined a cookie sheet in the oven on a lower setting... no?  ::)
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #34 on: September 11, 2016, 04:18:55 PM »
Idk? I know they shouldn't exactly be hot...just warm to the touch? Here's Episode VI of the videos anyway...
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Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #35 on: September 11, 2016, 07:17:24 PM »
A propane torch works great, I would imagine an electric heater if the parts were right by the heater would work.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #36 on: September 12, 2016, 02:31:25 PM »
Geez, I wouldn't have an issue in southern Alabama... mid 90's, sunny and humid today. Just set it all out on the porch for an hour.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #37 on: September 12, 2016, 05:34:54 PM »
I can just take them outta the A/C'd man cave & let'em heat up in the dinning room till I can hit'em with a hair drier. Had to add some annotations to my videos. Kept mistakenly using expressions like 320 grit sandpaper when it was 600. And 6-ought steel wool when it was fine steel wool. had things backwards. got all the small parts ready to blue. Just gotta use some rubbing alcohol, then the degreaser to get ready for bluing. I'll film that part as well.
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AIR17 1/87, .177cal, returned to son for Christmas '16
Crosman 160 Pellgun, 1955-56 .22cal Co2, variant 1 antique/Centerpoint 4x32 scope/Ron Robinson mounts
Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
Crosman Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25 caliber with Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope

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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #38 on: September 12, 2016, 10:48:26 PM »
Hope it's not too late, but I've had better results with the bluing paste than the liquid.  Same mfr.
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Re: Surprise closet find!!!
« Reply #39 on: September 13, 2016, 06:48:58 PM »
I've got the liquid one. That's something like I remember using some 40 years ago. I used degreaser, then rinse & dry on all the metal parts. Cleaned inside barrel, gas tube, etc with patches, rubbing alcohol, then dry patches. Then laid them out on a towel on the dining room table to warm up. Then maybe use hair drier tomorrow to warm them up a bit & start bluing.
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Crosman 760 Powermaster-1966-70, .177cal, variant 1
AIR17 1/87, .177cal, returned to son for Christmas '16
Crosman 160 Pellgun, 1955-56 .22cal Co2, variant 1 antique/Centerpoint 4x32 scope/Ron Robinson mounts
Hatsan Striker 1000x .22cal springer/ Hammers 3-9x32AO mildot scope
Winchester 1400CS .177cal magnum springer/ Hammers 4-12x40AO mildot scope on Instapark magnum air rifle mount, 5-bolt).
Crosman Benjamin Trail NP XL725 .25 caliber with Centerpoint 3-9x40AO mildot scope

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