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Title: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: nervoustrigger on August 03, 2017, 10:24:59 PM
The following article is intended for the do-it-yourselfer that is interested in either finding and fixing a problem with a barrel, or improving the accuracy of an already good performer.  You don't have to be a master machinist to get excellent results.  The techniques described here can be done with simple tools like a Dremel and handheld drill.  So with that said, here we go...

First off, a short pre-flight inspection:

Before you start removing metal
I like to start by giving the barrel an inspection to get an idea of what I'm working with:

slug the barrel and feel for issues - Push a pellet through the barrel, from breech to muzzle.  We're looking for possible issues in 4 areas:
Firstly, note whether the pellet felt as though it snagged as it went over the barrel port.  Most inexpensive factory barrels have not been deburred.  Next up is the transition from the leade to the bore.  Often there is a sharp edge where the leade necks down to the bore.  Here, the sharp edge at the beginning of the rifling will tend to smear the head and skirt.  Usually the skirt is most noticeable.  Here's an example of what to look for:

(https://i.imgur.com/PSNYgqa.jpg)

Continuing on, note any loose or tight spots along the barrel's length.  What I'm wanting is a pretty consistent, light resistance all the way through...that is, unless the muzzle is choked.  Lastly, pay close attention to resistance just as the head and skirt pass over the crown and emerge into the outside world.  Hanging up here is an indication of a burr left after crowning that will need to be dealt with.  BTW, distinguishing between a choked barrel and a burr at the crown normally is fairly easy.  In a choked barrel you'll encounter resistance for the last inch or so.  If the crown has a burr, you'll hit a snag just as the pellet comes out the end.  (Note: there is one more fairly unusual type of defect that can be potentially mistaken for a choke; that will be covered at the end under "Special case - damaged rifling".

inspect the pellet - Now inspect the pellet(s) with the help of some magnification.  Damage in a confined spot around the perimeter of the skirt usually indicates a burr at the barrel port.  Smearing of the skirt where it met the rifling usually indicates a sharp edge at the leade->bore transition.  Slight rifling marks around the head are a good indication that the pellet is a good fit for the barrel...enough to prevent yawing as it hurtles down the bore but not so much that it damages the head.  By contrast, rifling engagement of the skirt should be deeper because the skirt is a larger diameter by a few thousandths.

Now with some expectation of what you have to deal with, on with the barrel treatments...

Down to business
deburr the barrel port - Use a small diamond ball burr to radius the edges of the barrel port.  An assortment like this runs less than $10: https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Quality-20-Piece-Diamond-Rotary-Tool/dp/B000MOI9G6 (https://www.amazon.com/Pro-Quality-20-Piece-Diamond-Rotary-Tool/dp/B000MOI9G6).  What I do is load a 3/32" (for .177 cal) or 1/8" (for .22 cal or larger) diameter ball into the Dremel running at its lowest speed, and work it from inside the hole and up over the sharp edge all the way around the perimeter of the hole.  Don't go crazy with it; the radius need only be five or ten thousandths (0.005" - 0.010").  Just trying to get rid of the wire edge left from the drilling operation.  Then take a small dowel or skewer wrapped in 320 then 400 grit to polish the newly-formed radius.  Apply some light oil (mineral oil, WD40, etc.) to help shed the swarf.  Since this work is done at a shallow angle, round over the end of the dowel so it can dip into the hole as you pass it back and forth.  Expect to chew up the paper a couple of times; just keep refreshing the abrasive and work it until it is smooth.  It will become apparent when you've done enough because the paper will no longer be as apt to shred.

Refer to the following photo courtesy of Tom/UlteriorModem.

(https://i.imgur.com/gBkxbH2.jpg)

While we're at it, notice the remnants of the rifling and general surface roughness in the photo above.  These are indications of an inadequately prepared leade.  This region will benefit from being worked smooth.

treat the leade->bore transition -  A picture is in order: (thanks to Kirby/K.O.)
(https://i.imgur.com/WC0gXUM.jpg)

Knock down the sharp transition between the leade and the bore.  A regimen of 320, 400, and 600 grit is good for this operation.  Wrap the paper around a small dowel and sweep it in and out, applying pressure all around the perimeter.  The goal here is to help the pellet ease into the rifling without being gouged by a sharp leading edge.

Some folks prefer to instead use a Cratex point for this operation.  These grinding/polishing bits are a rubber material impregnated with abrasive.  What you would do is shape it to a diameter that fits the leade and taper the point.  In this way, it smooths the leade and applies a bevel to the leading edge of the rifling...all in one go.  Very quick and effective, just be careful not to remove more material than is necessary.  It's easy to do with power tools.

My advice to beginners is the dowel approach because you can feel when you've done enough.

polish the bore - The pros swear by this.  I've only done it a handful of times and I haven't formed a strong opinion about it yet.  It does seem to improve precision a bit and will extend cleaning intervals (lead will not abrade and stick to the walls as readily).  Some claim it also makes a barrel less pellet fussy; I don't doubt it but I haven't noticed it in my limited experience.  Things you will need:

See these two excellent threads for more information, in particular the guidance offered by Motorhead and SeanMP:
J-B bore paste (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=64525)
Deburring riflings - JB Bore Paste (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=47627)

touch up the crown - Firstly, there are many different geometries that can be applied to a crown but most air rifle barrels will have a simple chamfer so that's what I will focus on.  Give the crown a closeup visual inspection.  If the chamfer is a uniform width all the way around the perimeter, a little touchup with a brass screw will do.  What you will need is a round head (not pan head) brass machine screw.  #6-32 is good for .177 cal and a #8-32 is good for .22 and .25 cal.  Whereas most everything that has been discussed thus far should be done with the barrel removed, you can do this procedure with the barrel installed.  Secure the barrel in an upright position so you can have both hands free.  Stuff a small piece of cotton into the muzzle to keep debris from falling down into the barrel.  Chuck up the screw into a handheld drill.  Coat the head of the screw in polishing compound and hold it against the muzzle and operate the drill at low speed, moving it in an irregular circular or figure 8 pattern.  I use the term "pattern" loosely; you expressly want to randomize the movements.  If you try to hold the drill in one position, invariably more pressure will be applied to one side which will abrade an irregular bevel into the crown. 

Do not apply downward pressure to speed things along.  If you do, a wire edge will get pushed into the bore.  I don't even use the full weight of my drill; I support it to limit the pressure to something between 0.5 and 1 pound.  The idea is to let the abrasive slowly do the work.  Refresh it often and keep at it until you see a clean, polished ring appear.  A good crown will also have a distinct cog-like appearance when viewed under magnification, owing this to sharp, burr-free lands and grooves.  Here's a before and after for reference...hopefully your before won't be this bad:

(https://i.imgur.com/4TjPZL1.jpg)   (https://i.imgur.com/FeH8uE0.jpg)

When you think you've done enough, check that there is no burr remaining.  The usual way is to very gently drag a cotton swab over the crown (from inside the bore and onto the bevel) and see if it snags.  If it does, you still have a burr that needs to be worked down.  When dealing with an unchoked barrel, I like to check by pushing a pellet through from breech to muzzle.  I find it easier to detect a slight burr this way.  I know it's right when the head of the pellet slips out the end with no more resistance than it takes to push it down the barrel.   

If the chamfer is irregular, the end of the barrel will need to be reworked.  If you can have someone with a lathe do it for you, that is probably best for most weekend warriors but if you are confident in your abilities, you can chop and recrown on your own.  Here is a link to my DIY crowning guide (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=55681) using a drill press to achieve a perfectly square crown without a lathe.  There are many different ways to go about it and some good videos can be found by searching youtube.

Here's an example of an irregular chamfer, before and after:
(https://i.imgur.com/orOAK5x.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/DMivF9Q.jpg)
 

Checking your work
After all the work has been completed, I like to use compressed air to blow away any loose and/or heavy debris, then run a few cleaning patches through the barrel.  Then I slug the barrel again, looking for any remaining trouble spots.  If all looks good, back on the gun it goes and then off to shoot groups with various pellets to see what it likes.

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Special case - damaged rifling
Earlier in the writeup I made reference to a defect that may be confused with a choked barrel, and that is damaged rifling caused by an unfloating piloted crowning tool.  What happens is the spinning mandrel scuffs up the rifling near the muzzle.  When pushing a pellet through, it will drag on the damaged rifling and it feels similar to a constriction (choke).  Thankfully it is fairly easy to identify visually with good lighting.  Here's an example:

(https://i.imgur.com/NFSyRSM.jpg)

If your barrel has this type of damage, it will be necessary to cut off that section and recrown the barrel.  Here is a before and after:

(https://i.imgur.com/bLWxmkm.jpg)

For more info and others' experiences with this issue, refer to this thread http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=110179 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=110179)

Here's another example that has smeared rifling near the muzzle, then after chopping and recrowning:
(https://i.imgur.com/GyYMImb.jpg)  (https://i.imgur.com/vyfevrC.jpg)
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: cobalt327 on August 03, 2017, 11:21:33 PM
Good info and photos.

When buying brass hardware be sure it's solid brass and not just plated.
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: renowntwo on August 03, 2017, 11:35:56 PM
Thanks Mr. Jason for the tips.  Nicely done
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: PaulT58 on August 03, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Wow, that's some great info, and extremely timely!  I'm fighting a barrel issue right now on my .22 Maximus.  Shoots great without the LDC, but once added I can't even hit the target!  The same LDC on my 2400KT or modified 2240 have no impact on poi at all.  I'm thinking it has to have something to do with the barrel on the Maximus...  Maybe this will help me find and fix the problem.  Thank you for sharing this, I'm definitely bookmarking it for future reference!
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: AG72 on August 04, 2017, 12:29:18 AM
Great guide! Please make this a sticky!
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: Gertrude on August 04, 2017, 12:43:14 AM
very nice writeup Jason.
Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge for everyone's benefit.
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: Tater on August 04, 2017, 02:58:47 AM
Great write-up Jason. Valuable info.
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: nervoustrigger on August 04, 2017, 11:32:06 AM
Thanks guys, I hope it can help a few people solve a problem or wring out a little better accuracy from their rifle.  If it does, please let me know.  Keep in mind that's my payment :)  And perhaps just as importantly, let me know if it doesn't help or if something doesn't make sense.
 
By the way, I see the thread got moved to what is probably a more appropriate location but I'm disappointed that it got carted off so quickly because it won't get seen by nearly as many people here.
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: ezman604 on August 04, 2017, 11:44:24 AM
Jason, many thanks for the excellent guide!!!
I have made it a sticky. As for it not getting viewed, it has as much opportunity as ANY thread to be viewed. Especially if folks would simply use the "Show unread posts..." option when they come to the forum. Every thread in every gate has an equal chance to be viewed....
Thanks again and I'll be trying out your guide as soon as my shop is back up and going. 
:)
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: nervoustrigger on August 04, 2017, 12:23:21 PM
Wow Dez, thank you!  I'm honored that you felt it worthy of being stickied, and honestly even more so that there could potentially be something in there for you.
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: Neil54 on January 05, 2018, 01:36:49 PM

Wow, that's some great info, and extremely timely!  I'm fighting a barrel issue right now on my .22 Maximus.  Shoots great without the LDC, but once added I can't even hit the target!

Hi Paul
Could be the pellets are clipping the LDC. Trying insert a knitting needle down the barrel from the muzzle through the LDC. It should sit central to the hole. If not try a shim of paper under the LDC until the knitting needle is central to the hole.
One of mine  needs a small piece at "20 minutes before", as you look at it.

Neil
Title: Re: Barrel troubleshooting and accurizing how-to
Post by: PaulT58 on January 05, 2018, 01:54:36 PM

Wow, that's some great info, and extremely timely!  I'm fighting a barrel issue right now on my .22 Maximus.  Shoots great without the LDC, but once added I can't even hit the target!

Hi Paul
Could be the pellets are clipping the LDC. Trying insert a knitting needle down the barrel from the muzzle through the LDC. It should sit central to the hole. If not try a shim of paper under the LDC until the knitting needle is central to the hole.
One of mine  needs a small piece at "20 minutes before", as you look at it.

Neil

Neil,

Mine turned out to be harmonics from adding the LDC.  I added a second barrel band and it's now more accurate than it shot before without the LDC!  Thanks...

Paul