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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: sawtoothscream on August 29, 2015, 11:03:57 PM
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Wanting to buy another pcp soon and want one thats good past 50 yds.
My disco is pretty dang accurate at 50 yds and will hit the spinner target consistantly at 70 yards, think its a 3" plate. Awesome little gun but I want something that will still have alot of energy at those ranges and more accuracy for squirrel hunting.
My big hold back with the m rod is my .22 I had a few years back was bad past 30 yds with every pellet. Dont want to buy the .25 and find I should have just stuck with the disco.
Want to stay under $700 for the new gun. thanks
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The .25 barrels are made by Green Mountain and are known for the best accuracy you can get at that price point. The .22 barrels were made by Crosman, which is why they weren't as good. I've heard several tales of MOA groups at 100 yards, though I've never actually seen or used one in person. A .25 Mrod is going to be much more accurate than your Disco, I'm sure of that.
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If you plan on shooting anything past 50 yds, you need to go .25 cal or .30 cal. 70 yards is a long way off with a .22 PCP. There are plenty of $700 AG's that will work for your needs in .25 and .30 such as Mrod, Hatsan, Sumatra, and Air Force.
Now what is it you want in the AG?
Do you need it backyard friendly (Quiet)?
Single shot/repeater or does that matter?
One thing you need is consistent power (FPS/FPE) beyond 50 yards.
Just about all the AG's I mentioned above will get you were you want! You just need to make sure of the different specs that you need as mentioned above.
My first choice at that price range would be the Hatsan AT44-10 Long QE in .25 or the Hatsan BT Big Bore Carnivore QE in .30 cal. from what I have reading and seen as far as testing either one of these would fit your needs.
If a single shot will work for your needs the the Airforce line-up would work great in .25 cal as well. AirForce Condor SS
I have owned a .25 Marauder and it was great, wish I still had it! Definitely a good AG and accurate.
All the Airguns I mentioned have what you as far as power/accuracy and flexibility, you just need to decide which fits your needs the best.
William
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I have a stock Gen 2 Marauder and never had a problem with accuracy. I have no doubt this rifle is capable of reaching 100yds. I shoot paintballs sitting on golf tees for fun at 60yrds with eun jin 43.2gr pellets. You will not be disappointed with the .25 cal. I also use an optional single shot tray for longer, heavier slugs. It's very quiet and backyard friendly. I paid $479.00 for mine and have owned it for 2 years now. The only thing I have replaced on it is the breech seal.
The pic below was the first time I shot the marauder at 60yds with the Eun Jins. The orange target dot is 3/4 inches in diameter. The lone hole was a test shot for holdover. In another part of the pic, I compared the dot to a half inch staple for reference. The plywood is half inch thick.
(http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee226/scooterlizard/eunjin432gr.jpg) (http://s232.photobucket.com/user/scooterlizard/media/eunjin432gr.jpg.html)
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As they said, what is your plans.
A .22lr with 150fpe is barely a 75 yard round.
A stock .25 Marauder with 41fpe could hardly be expected to do more.
Targets?
Yes?
Humane harvesting?
Hardly
The .25 Marauder w/o a moderator is backyard friendly in Florida.
Nowhere else.
IMHO
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As they said, what is your plans.
A .22lr with 150fpe is barely a 75 yard round.
A stock .25 Marauder with 41fpe could hardly be expected to do more.
Targets?
Yes?
Humane harvesting?
Hardly
The .25 Marauder w/o a moderator is backyard friendly in Florida.
Nowhere else.
IMHO
We often shoot 22lr out to 150 yards often...and .22 cal pellet gun can do 70 yards easy. Comes down to the gun, shooters capabilites, and pellet choice...maybe some other variables. Id shoot my hatsan 28 fpe and mrod tuned for 12 fpe out to 90 yards.
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As they said, what is your plans.
A .22lr with 150fpe is barely a 75 yard round.
A stock .25 Marauder with 41fpe could hardly be expected to do more.
Targets?
Yes?
Humane harvesting?
Hardly
The .25 Marauder w/o a moderator is backyard friendly in Florida.
Nowhere else.
IMHO
I couldn't disagree more, though I'll keep it to myself this time. If I didn't know better, I'd think you were a troll.
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my requirements are .25 and accurate past 50 yards with a decent trigger. thats pretty much it. All my airguns are single shot so that it fine by me.
Sound wise If its not much louder then my disco then im fine with that as well. Not legal to add a shroud to airguns in NYS so I dont want it to be like a 12ga going off.
Not sure about hatsan either, is the PCP trigger the same as the springer version ? I hate that thing
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Or you can get a Bwalton tuned Hatsan with an ldc or shroud, there are many options all the way from at44s to BT65 carnivores, if you want to reach 100 yards I would highly suggest a .25 airgun if you don't want to practice a lot to know how the wind affects a lighter .22 pellet, however I have an at44 in .22 and I know it can reach 100 yards without a problem if the shooter is doing his part and the gun is tuned and feed its favorite pellet.
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My Gen-1, .22 Marauder has no problem reaching out to 100m shooting 18g JSBs. So a .25 Marauder should have no problem with 50yds. If you want a little more oomph, in a lighter weight rifle, you might consider a Sumatra carbine. Not pellet picky, but probably louder than the Marauder.
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If it is not too windy my .25 is fine on my small plate rack at 100 (2" plates).
At 60 yds it's not even a challenge holding a video camera.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bhr0cGrEa4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Bhr0cGrEa4)
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Not legal to add a shroud to airguns in NYS so I dont want it to be like a 12ga going
Marauder IS a shrouded PCP airgun. And, it's made in NY. However, if your intent is hunting with it, then you will be entering some murky waters as under NY hunting laws airguns ARE firearms. And adding a device to suppress the report of a firearm is...well... not something one would wanna mess with in the "free" state of NY.
Having said that, you can't go wrong with a used Gen 1 or Gen 2 Marauder for the requirements you've stated.
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Not legal to add a shroud to airguns in NYS so I dont want it to be like a 12ga going
Marauder IS a shrouded PCP airgun. And, it's made in NY. However, if your intent is hunting with it, then you will be entering some murky waters as under NY hunting laws airguns ARE firearms. And adding a device to suppress the report of a firearm is...well... not something one would wanna mess with in the "free" state of NY.
Having said that, you can't go wrong with a used Gen 1 or Gen 2 Marauder for the requirements you've stated.
as far as I can tell if they come with the shroud they are legal, but who knows around here.
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.25 BSAs are rather good for the money. My Scorpion does sub 1" ctc groups at 100 yards.
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Wow! This thread has what I consider a LOT of mis-information in it.
I own a .25 M-rod. It is out of the box stock and it shoots at an average of 819 fps (38 fpe, ES of 3%) for 3 magazines (24 shots) with JSB Exact King 25.39 grn pellets. I've hit and killed a rabbit at a lasered 107 yds (witnessed by others, and it fell over dead and didn't twitch). I hit and kill ground squirrels at 70-80 yds ALL THE TIME and get complete pass through on 100% of them unless it's a dead on lengthwise shot. In my first hand experience, 50-80 yds is this guns sweet spot. Very quiet too.
IMHO people are getting "caliber happy" these days. Unless you are shooting almost exclusively in the desert or woods the over-penetration on small game with a .30 caliber or above is going to be a real problem. I consider it a noticeable problem just shooting in a rural area near a golf course. I ALWAYS have to consider where the pellet is going to go because it is always going to just keep on going even after a good hit. Again, IMHO unless you are REGULARLY going to take game starting at wild pigs up through coyotes and at long ranges (100+ yds) OR you are trying to take smaller game at 100-200 yds then .25 caliber is all you need.
A Hatsan BT65 is about 25% more powerful than my M-rod (about 50 fpe in a mild tune vs my approx. 40). If you REALLY think you want/"need" more power and/or a flatter trajectory the BT65 is an awesome option in this price range.
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One thing to consider also is the price of .25 pellets, compared to .22 or .177 they are really expensive and that's the primary reason I didn't get a .25 Mrod instead of my at44, the other reason is I like shooting in my backyard and a .25 pellet is just to much, even my .22 30fpe at44 is casing some real damage on the wall behind my targets and spinners. If I would be just hunting then I would get either a .25 BT65 or .25 Mrod
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When I was testing my 25 M-Rod for the pellet it likes I had narrowed down to 3 at the 30 yard marker. Moved the target to 50 yards and shot 3 5 shot groups 2 of which could be covered with a dime. Never moved the target out any father , but have played with a spinner at 60 and 80 yards with hits being made as long as I did my part. Mine is tuned for 2 mags (16 shots) right at 40 fpe.
Gary
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One thing to consider also is the price of .25 pellets, compared to .22 or .177 they are really expensive and that's the primary reason I didn't get a .25 Mrod
Availability and almost all of my other air rifles and pistols are .22 is why I bought the .22 mrod first.
I would have kept it too if it was not so inaccurate. The .25 met my accuracy expectations though.
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One thing to consider also is the price of .25 pellets, compared to .22 or .177 they are really expensive and that's the primary reason I didn't get a .25 Mrod...
This ALWAYS comes up in the .22 vs .25. "Really expensive"...? $400-$700 for the gun. $150-$300 for a scope. $200 - $700 for a way to get air in the gun. Gun case. Crony. Full on camouflage outfit (1000% NECESSARY for hunting! LOL!). $150-$200 for a range finder (actually VERY handy for hunting). So roughly $900 - $2,100 depending on taste...
And we are worried about $0.0398 (.22 JSB) vs $0.0484 (.25 JSB) cents per pellet?!?!? Now .30 cal at $0.11 cents a shot... Well that COULD break the bank! ;)
It's funny. JSB's in .177 are $0.0239 cents each. It is almost twice as expensive to shoot .22 vs .177 but no one ever frets about that.
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I don't have a mrod the closest thing I have is a mini-rod. It has the a full length green mountain barrel in it. When I first got it from Travis it was tuned for 30fpe with jsb kings. Ihnever shot for groups out past 35yrds but I k ow I had no problem dropping rabbits at 60-70yrds. the also have a hatsan at44 in .22 cal & don't hesitate to shoot out to 100-125 yrds with it.
For its worth I believe Travis has an AT44 in .25 cal that has been tuned & regulated for sale with a bwalton LCD.
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thanks, ground hogs are the largest animals ill get a shot at and in the thick woods i hunt 50 yds is pretty much the max besides the rare occasion when I have a clear shot farther then that. When I go to the range I like to shoot 100yds for fun.
Not worried about pellet cost. I always have the .22 disco if I feel like shooting something cheaper. although im about to burn the thing if it doesnt stop leaking.
Right now its the m rod vs condor ss, Love the airforce design. Seems simple, lots of power and like the the power adjuster is also simple. Like the price of the m rod and know the trigger is amazing. for 99% of the game I hunt it should be more then enough gun.
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thanks, ground hogs are the largest animals ill get a shot at and in the thick woods i hunt 50 yds is pretty much the max besides the rare occasion when I have a clear shot farther then that. When I go to the range I like to shoot 100yds for fun.
Not worried about pellet cost. I always have the .22 disco if I feel like shooting something cheaper. although im about to burn the thing if it doesnt stop leaking.
Right now its the m rod vs condor ss, Love the airforce design. Seems simple, lots of power and like the the power adjuster is also simple. Like the price of the m rod and know the trigger is amazing. for 99% of the game I hunt it should be more then enough gun.
The condor ss is an awesome gun also. I have 2 air force guns. A condor ss & a talon ss I installed a 24" barrel. Right now my condor ss is set for 60fpe which is plenty of power. I've had up to 90fpe but you don't get very many shots at that. I do recommend a trigger spring & a ttqcth for the condor ss. It is also very quite. It's quite enough when I killed the pig with it the bullet hittingh er was louder than the gun & the other pigs just hung around after she dropped in her tracks.
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The .25, shooting the King Heavy is a fine shooter. BC of the heavies is better than the 30 cal pellets by a little bit. None of them are what I'd consider immune to the wind, and neither are .22 LR, though they're better than pellets by 2x.
cheers,
Dougla
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A .25 marauder with a custom stock from boyds, tuned for maximum accuracy and shot count would be a really nice gun out to 100 yards
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A .25 marauder with a custom stock from boyds, tuned for maximum accuracy and shot count would be a really nice gun out to 100 yards
They indeed can be. I have in hand three, a 25 tuned for King Heavies, a .22 with similar MV tuned for Jumbo Heavies and a .224 boolit shooter that is currently detuned to ~85 FPE and 37 gr slugs.
Just to get a feel for the level of difficulty. set the target at 100 yards and print a group right on center of the bulls eye with the first 8 shots( of that session ) from the rifle. How big is the group? This is an applicable test for any rifle, and is not directed at Marauders in particular...:) Try this test when there is some breeze, not excluding all but the most ideal shooting conditions of course.
In a breeze my son's Rem 40x in .22 LR can match the performance of the .22 pellet achieves in ideal conditions.
cheers,
Douglas
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Does your .22 marauder needed a barrel replacement or something like that? I've heard the .22 barrels are not very accurate at long ranges, actually when I bought my first PCP I was going to get the marauder but then I heard about this rumors and didn't take the chance. I have tried 80 yards with my .22 at44 and the best 4 shot group I got looked like 3/4" and there was a slight breeze and I didn't have a steady rest at all, most of my groups at the distance are under an inch and I think they could improve if I get a better rest and maybe do a barrel recrown
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Pyramyd Air has the Sumatra .22 on sale for $580.00, less 10%= $522.00 w/ free shipping. Run some 28g or 32g EunJins through it & it'll match a .25 Marauder. Use code "Labor15"
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I have a tuned .24 Mrod just under 55 FPE. its has had valve work done slight bigger TP, 15# hammer spring, and a air extension tube. I only get 2 mags before needed to re-gas it. At 100 yards its boring and predictable to shoot. I have a 6" cast iron pan hanging at the tree line in the field I shoot at. The pan is 161 yards away and once you get the wind diled it its fun to make that pan sing.
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Did you mistype .24 and is actually .25?
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Did you mistype .24 and is actually .25?
lol wow and yes .25, quarter bore, 6.35000 mm
Thanks for correcting me I did not want to confuse anyone.
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;D I was grouping right at 3/4" with my .25 Marauder Gen II Synthetic at 60+ yards last time at the range it has a nice trigger and no complaints. If I decide to keep it I will probably put a wood stock on the rifle
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Take it from a Condor owner that just went through a similar decision. You are going to want a repeater, and you are going to really appreciate removable tubes. Add an ldc and you will be in heaven at those ranges. 50+ fpe out of box with 25 shots per fill, room to grow,accurate as all *(&^, and quiet like you wouldn't believe.
(http://i.imgur.com/13X6A1B.jpg)
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IMO the bt65 deserves either the elite stock or the walnut stock, if you go that route make sure you can handle the weight because it will be heavy ;)
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I don't know if I would consider a removable tube a plus. Just more stuff to go wrong and create restrictions in air flow. But that is just my opinion. Mrod is .25 is a very capable gun at 50 to 100 yards. And with tons of potential for tuning options. The other thing is that I have found myself using a single load tray more often than not. I got used to using it on my FT gun and now I don't even touch magazines. Not to mention you can load larger slugs with the single shot tray :)
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To each his own for sure 8)
Bt65 is definitely a heavy sucker, but I am still a youngish buck that can handle it, gladly. I'm also the kind of guy that packs his hiking backpack with 4-5 gallons of water as extra ballast for "training" purposes; ymmv. The fully adjustable stock is something hard to go back from, it's priceless to have a perfect fit.
I agree that the magazine limits pellet options (30 something grain barracudas are what I'm shooting these days), but I'm sure a single shot tray is available for the hatsans.
When woods walking or hunting, an extra tube gives you the ability to leave the tank/pump at home base, plus the ability to have different tunes for different applications. Also, if you're pumping manually, it lets you shoot more between workouts.
Have you heard of "something going wrong" with the removable tubes? (I have not and thought I did my homework).
Go for an mrod or Hatsan, the Air Force is not the droid you're looking for.
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I'm with you on the condor. I just don't see myself taking more than 25 shot hunting with a .25.
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When squirreling around the property I rarely use more than a single 9 round clip before calling it a day, so you are totally on the ball with that. 25 shots is quite a lot.
Multi-day camping/stuff like that (which in theory could happen but I have not yet done, in which case I would bring the pump along anyway, sort of nullifying my own point :P) is another matter.
I'm the kind of guy that likes to keep his options open, and knowing that I can keep the party going if need be, plus mess around with regulated/unregulated is a definite plus. I like to walk back home with a full tank in the gun and an empty in the pack. Not to mention you have to unscrew the LDC before changing tubes out: a bit of a pain, a bit of a pleasure. ;)
I'm surprised Baxter hasn't chimed in yet here actually, he really helped swing my decision with his crazy accuracy.
Let us know what you go with!
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kinda leaning to the m rod more now, mostly because its already has the shroud and nice trigger. Sketched out about adding a shroud in NY and getting railed by a Game warden. Leave it to NY to list airguns as firearms :(
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I would still suggest BSA, here are some 106 yard groups:
(http://i920.photobucket.com/albums/ad47/abbababbaccc/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsqh1adgiz.jpg) (http://s920.photobucket.com/user/abbababbaccc/media/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsqh1adgiz.jpg.html)
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Marauder has an adjustable Cheek piece too, much lighter, a CF pony 4500 psi bottle is easier to carry than an extra tube, less to go wrong and way more overall shots.
Maurader .25 has a proven record of great accuracy, I owned one and it gives nothing away to the Hatsan .25
There's a huge cottage industry to support the Marauder, all kinds of specific parts are easily available to transform the gun to whatever your needs/wants dictate
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Marauder has an adjustable Cheek piece too, much lighter, a CF pony 4500 psi bottle is easier to carry than an extra tube, less to go wrong and way more overall shots.
Maurader .25 has a proven record of great accuracy, I owned one and it gives nothing away to the Hatsan .25
There's a huge cottage industry to support the Marauder, all kinds of specific parts are easily available to transform the gun to whatever your needs/wants dictate
Forgot, You even have the double tube option from Lloyd if really want too
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what pellets are people liking in the m rod? guessing jsb kings would work? h@n working well also?
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what pellets are people liking in the m rod? guessing jsb kings would work? h@n working well also?
H&N FTT 25.4 or Air Arms Diablo 25.4 gr shoot great out of my Marauder and my Daystate Regal XL out past 50 yards
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Well My first three shots touched at 40 yards when I got my wood stocked .25 Synrod ( thanks Norm for going the extra mile). I feel it is me that kept it closer to 3/4 at 60 yards. I truly think it has .5" inch groups at that range in it... I just have not had a calm shooting day on the days I get outside town... and yep I am feeding it kings... but the H&N FTT seem to work well...
Norm sent mine out at 50 fpe I get 9 shots within 9 fps and then velocity start falling... 3000 to about 2600 psi... I can switch to the h&n and have the same aim point at 30 yards at about 2500 psi...
If I keep shooting it gets about 16 useful shots...
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Ordered the .25 syn rod with kings and h&n barracudas just going to steal the scope from the hatsan for it
hope I like it, would have held off but the disco just went from the slight leak it had after I re did the orings to leaking like a mad man again. starting to think I might need to replace the o ring in the valve or just get a new valve and see what happens.
Good news is I should have this before the weekend :)
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Take it from a Condor owner that just went through a similar decision. You are going to want a repeater, and you are going to really appreciate removable tubes. Add an ldc and you will be in heaven at those ranges. 50+ fpe out of box with 25 shots per fill, room to grow,accurate as all *(&^, and quiet like you wouldn't believe.
(http://i.imgur.com/13X6A1B.jpg)
And it goes well with a Zinfandel!
Congrats on the purchase sawtooth.
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Ordered the .25 syn rod with kings and h&n barracudas just going to steal the scope from the hatsan for it
hope I like it, would have held off but the disco just went from the slight leak it had after I re did the orings to leaking like a mad man again. starting to think I might need to replace the o ring in the valve or just get a new valve and see what happens.
Good news is I should have this before the weekend :)
Well Congratulations.... I'm still learning mine, but a really fun gun!
Aloha... 8)
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A fellow NYer's interpretation of convoluted NY airgun law. ie this will not keep you out of jail! ;)
Under penal law, airguns are not classified as firearms.
Under penal law, suppressors are illegal on firearms.
Under DEC hunting regulations airguns are now legal for hunting small game.
Under DEC hunting reg, if you use an airgun for hunting, it is subject to the same DEC reg as a firearm. My interpretation is this only applies to what the DEC calls out in their reg. It does not mean that because the DEC classifies it as firearm, that it now goes back to penal law.
A shroud extension is not a silencer/suppressor.
Call your DEC regional office and discuss. I have found talking to them on the phone, that they are very helpful.
A stock 25 cal Mrod will be quiet enough for hunting in the woods. The 500' rule would apply for using it for hunting.
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what pellets are people liking in the m rod? guessing jsb kings would work? h@n working well also?
I have tried plenty of pellets in my Mrod and I always seemed to come back to the 25.4 grain JSB's. Plenty accurate and FPE, 1/2" groups at 50 yards easily.
William
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Ordered the .25 syn rod with kings and h&n barracudas just going to steal the scope from the hatsan for it
hope I like it, would have held off but the disco just went from the slight leak it had after I re did the orings to leaking like a mad man again. starting to think I might need to replace the o ring in the valve or just get a new valve and see what happens.
Good news is I should have this before the weekend :)
Well Congratulations.... I'm still learning mine, but a really fun gun!
Aloha... 8)
Just hope i dont have a repeat of my .22 m rod experience. crossing my fingers haha.
From the reviews im not worried to much. IF things go well I should have a few squirrels down by sunday, will at least have a few chipmunks down, land owner wants every one of them taken out of his yard.
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A fellow NYer's interpretation of convoluted NY airgun law. ie this will not keep you out of jail! ;)
Under penal law, airguns are not classified as firearms.
Under penal law, suppressors are illegal on firearms.
Under DEC hunting regulations airguns are now legal for hunting small game.
Under DEC hunting reg, if you use an airgun for hunting, it is subject to the same DEC reg as a firearm. My interpretation is this only applies to what the DEC calls out in their reg. It does not mean that because the DEC classifies it as firearm, that it now goes back to penal law.
A shroud extension is not a (*^%/suppressor.
Call your DEC regional office and discuss. I have found talking to them on the phone, that they are very helpful.
A stock 25 cal Mrod will be quiet enough for hunting in the woods. The 500' rule would apply for using it for hunting.
Lucky the land I hunt for the most part is private and surrounded by friends and other hunters. Could fire a shotgun over and over and no one would give a &^^& around here. Plubic ground is well over 500' from anyone
HAve seen many mrauders at the local gun range so idk, should be fine.
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A fellow NYer's interpretation of convoluted NY airgun law. ie this will not keep you out of jail! ;)
Under penal law, airguns are not classified as firearms.
Under penal law, suppressors are illegal on firearms.
Under DEC hunting regulations airguns are now legal for hunting small game.
Under DEC hunting reg, if you use an airgun for hunting, it is subject to the same DEC reg as a firearm. My interpretation is this only applies to what the DEC calls out in their reg. It does not mean that because the DEC classifies it as firearm, that it now goes back to penal law.
A shroud extension is not a (*^%/suppressor.
Call your DEC regional office and discuss. I have found talking to them on the phone, that they are very helpful.
A stock 25 cal Mrod will be quiet enough for hunting in the woods. The 500' rule would apply for using it for hunting.
Lucky the land I hunt for the most part is private and surrounded by friends and other hunters. Could fire a shotgun over and over and no one would give a &^^& around here. Plubic ground is well over 500' from anyone
HAve seen many mrauders at the local gun range so idk, should be fine.
You at least have a gun range... I'm having to build my own....
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A fellow NYer's interpretation of convoluted NY airgun law. ie this will not keep you out of jail! ;)
Under penal law, airguns are not classified as firearms.
Under penal law, suppressors are illegal on firearms.
Under DEC hunting regulations airguns are now legal for hunting small game.
Under DEC hunting reg, if you use an airgun for hunting, it is subject to the same DEC reg as a firearm. My interpretation is this only applies to what the DEC calls out in their reg. It does not mean that because the DEC classifies it as firearm, that it now goes back to penal law.
A shroud extension is not a (*^%/suppressor.
Call your DEC regional office and discuss. I have found talking to them on the phone, that they are very helpful.
A stock 25 cal Mrod will be quiet enough for hunting in the woods. The 500' rule would apply for using it for hunting.
Lucky the land I hunt for the most part is private and surrounded by friends and other hunters. Could fire a shotgun over and over and no one would give a &^^& around here. Plubic ground is well over 500' from anyone
HAve seen many mrauders at the local gun range so idk, should be fine.
You at least have a gun range... I'm having to build my own....
I mostly shoot the airgun in the back yard, only go to the range to sight in the muzzle loader or if I want to shoot the airguns past 40 yds
Would love to have a 100 yds range all to myself. maybe someday
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I live in a rural, PB friendly area, but still prefer the silence of the airguns. Many an evening, I empty a mag or two, or more on the 50yd range off the back deck. If I'd use a PB that much, I'm sure I would get "labeled" by others that would hear it, down the valley. ;)
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(http://i757.photobucket.com/albums/xx220/CrappieKyle/Mobile%20Uploads/08037C30-0CCD-4193-8F27-648C4218F346_zpsdf5qvw84.jpg)
82 yards with a mild crosswind. Crosman .25. Mrod with MDRL stock and only mod is a stronger hammer spring. Hand held shot with a tree for a brace. I think you will love your Marauder .25. Let us know because we care.
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You asked about pellets used : I tried 6 pellets. 3 from H&N, FTT,Baracuda Hunter Extreme and Hollow Points. My rifle hated all of these.
The 3 it likes are AA Domes, Benjamin Domes and JSB 25.4. All of these shoot well, but the JSBs are not the best in my rifle. It is a tossup with the AA and the Benjis.
Gary
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Here is a couple good videos.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQtwIwAmoVChMI94WI_cbYxwIVVheSCh3XBASx&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtbQT1t4R6vw&usg=AFQjCNEzl6xEV8z8EeVSWbyTqFkAAV4lvQ&sig2=UNwVYRQndyOyH00uwMiQ5A (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQtwIwAmoVChMI94WI_cbYxwIVVheSCh3XBASx&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DtbQT1t4R6vw&usg=AFQjCNEzl6xEV8z8EeVSWbyTqFkAAV4lvQ&sig2=UNwVYRQndyOyH00uwMiQ5A)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFEQtwIwCWoVChMI3Pe-jsfYxwIVCwaSCh1dPwjj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEKOXw2q-120&usg=AFQjCNFyeOvxD4kG0tMtTE4-KoNOcEBgnA&sig2=mHDDwAyWivIu-Wj_lV64TA (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=10&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CFEQtwIwCWoVChMI3Pe-jsfYxwIVCwaSCh1dPwjj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DEKOXw2q-120&usg=AFQjCNFyeOvxD4kG0tMtTE4-KoNOcEBgnA&sig2=mHDDwAyWivIu-Wj_lV64TA)
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAGoVChMIu5HhqMfYxwIVDhCSCh2oBQXP&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4pdAicPdsEo&usg=AFQjCNH_lg0GqiHr9FhEJxf1Y0oy83MYuw&sig2=p93knBMomNqLd-f71lvkSA&bvm=bv.101800829,d.aWw (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=video&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCYQtwIwAGoVChMIu5HhqMfYxwIVDhCSCh2oBQXP&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4pdAicPdsEo&usg=AFQjCNH_lg0GqiHr9FhEJxf1Y0oy83MYuw&sig2=p93knBMomNqLd-f71lvkSA&bvm=bv.101800829,d.aWw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3tSRISeMc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm3tSRISeMc)
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gun came today, only took a few shots and didnt have time to zero it.
First impressions
-Lighter then the old m rod I had and comfortable stock
- Bolt is kinda gritty and covered in grease
- trigger is about 10lbs
- quiet enough
SO first things first, I need to get that trigger down alot. I tried playing around with it but the pull never felt better, no where near as nice as the m rod trigger on my disco. ANy tips on how to lighten that puppy up would be great.
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Check for and remove the lawyer spring in the trigger assembly? That made a huge difference in my Gen 1 Mrod. Don't have a Gen 2 to play with, but I am sure there is still one in there somewhere.
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I do not own an Mrod nor have I even seen one but that won't stop me from talking about it. LOL I did a bit of research on it and it seems they can be accurate out to 100yards. Take a look at some vids from Teds hold over youtube.
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Check for and remove the lawyer spring in the trigger assembly? That made a huge difference in my Gen 1 Mrod. Don't have a Gen 2 to play with, but I am sure there is still one in there somewhere.
I removed the lawyer spring from my Gen-1 a couple years ago. Made a big difference! Took a little while to get used to the much lighter trigger pull, but it was well worth it. I highly recommend it.
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ah, forgot about that spring, will have to check for it. Unlucky for me I think the scope I took off my hatsan is broken, dont think the elevation is working so I wont be able to really play with the gun until I order a new scope :(
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;D I think you will find the Gen II trigger better than expected and definitely better than the Gen I Marauder
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;D I think you will find the Gen II trigger better than expected and definitely better than the Gen I Marauder
I have it ok now, unscrewed the pull weight as much as I could and played with the second stage more. Still kinda heavy coming from my disco. will have to open it up and bend that spring if its in there.
Surprised at how beefy the .25 is compared to a .22 pellet, looks like it will really lay them out.
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;D I think you will find the Gen II trigger better than expected and definitely better than the Gen I Marauder
I've seen no difference in the Gen I and Gen II Marauder rifle triggers - both are really good when adjusted properly and after the lawyer spring has been removed.
Now the Marauder Pistol trigger is nothing special....
Ray
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Can you just pull the spring out or does it need the bend straighten out? thought it acted as a spacer as well?
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My recollection is that the spring gets straightened out and placed back in the trigger group where it came from. I know I put mine back in after straightening. Pretty sure that applies to the Gen 2 trigger as well.
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Is the trigger REALLY 10 lbs or are you just saying it's heavier than you like?!? A 10 lb. MArauder trigger would almost mean something is wrong in there!
Here is the YouTube vid on the Lawyer Spring work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NjoQ7bzMc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6NjoQ7bzMc)
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Yeah, something is definitely not right if you think it's 10lbs. Even before removing the lawyer spring from mine, it was no where near that heavy. Maybe 2 to 2-1/2lbs.
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I pull out the lawyer spring, clip off both arms, then put it back as a spacer. I'm never going to put a lawyer spring back in....
Some use a delrin spacer like those used on other pins in the trigger housing.
Ray
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not actually 10 pounds (dont have a gaudge so idk) but very heavy. Better after I adjusted it but im still going to mod the spring and get it like my disco trigger
My scope is broken as well, I knew i should have ordered a scope with the gun. Thats two scopes the hatsan has killed off now, guessing leapers isnt the brand for magnum springers. On a positive note the hatsan might not be as inaccurate as I believed.
So hopefully I can find a decent one local tomorrow or ill order one. Kinda want to try out leapers swat 4-16x
on another note, man this gun likes its air haha. need to start saving for a tank
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I'm with you on the saving for a tank, when i got my Mrod I had only a pump and after the first month that was enough for me, that pump went straight to the corner and I went down to the dive shop and got me a tank. I also ordered a 4500 PSI 90 CI tank from PA. Never again will I pump up another AG, I also a few months or so after that purchased a Omega 4500 PSI compressor. If you shoot that Marauder much that pump will wear you thin on patients thats for sure!
I ended up selling my Mrod and Pump but wish I still had the Mrod .25. Really loved that gun, very accurate and deadly on small to medium game thats for sure.
I also did the Lawyer Spring mod on it and cut the trigger pull over 50%.
Good luck and happy shooting.
Willaim
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I'm with you on the saving for a tank, when i got my Mrod I had only a pump and after the first month that was enough for me, that pump went straight to the corner and I went down to the dive shop and got me a tank. I also ordered a 4500 PSI 90 CI tank from PA. Never again will I pump up another AG, I also a few months or so after that purchased a Omega 4500 PSI compressor. If you shoot that Marauder much that pump will wear you thin on patients thats for sure!
I ended up selling my Mrod and Pump but wish I still had the Mrod .25. Really loved that gun, very accurate and deadly on small to medium game thats for sure.
I also did the Lawyer Spring mod on it and cut the trigger pull over 50%.
Good luck and happy shooting.
Willaim
problem is I dont think I have anyplace local that can fill it. Im pretty far from the sea and dont think think there is a paintball place near by.
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Maybe this will help.
http://www.crosman.com/discover/airguns/pcp-resources/find-a-fill-station (http://www.crosman.com/discover/airguns/pcp-resources/find-a-fill-station)
http://www.airfillstations.com/locators/us/hpa_paintball_tank_fill_locations (http://www.airfillstations.com/locators/us/hpa_paintball_tank_fill_locations)
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Hmm what do ya Know over 100 miles away never noticed before...
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Check with your local fire departments.
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Broke her in today, through on a crappy scope that came with my hatsan and sighted it in a 25yds.
Walked arund the woods for a little and took a decent sized red squirrel. 26 yards according to the range finder and put a exact into the lungs.
So far im happy with the results and impressed with how loud the impact is after these blow through the animal. Way louder then the gun. Also happy with how it holds free hand. Forgot my bipod today so I had to take the squirrel free hand.
For the heck of it I shot a can at 60 yds, not a mill dot scope for I just aimed a few inches over and nailed it. Really cant wait to see what the gun does when I actual rest and a real scope :)
Need to do that trigger mod for sure but want to much sure its a keeper after some range time. Assuming messing with that spring will void the warranty?
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Check with your local fire departments.
might have to, the volunteer fire department is a half mile away
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looks like I have an hr drive to the nearest one
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Well I couldnt do it anymore, shot the disco again and i just cant do without that nice smooth trigger. Went ahead and fixed the mrod trigger and man it feels good.