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Airguns by Make and Model => Vintage Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Rob112o on August 03, 2015, 03:03:16 AM
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Before I get into details with her. Need a very important question answered. Does the original 2 screw Sheridan "Racine" inter mount cause separation? It's clearly not the 3 screw early ones that tightened into the solder joint.
Don't worry I'm banging off the irons now. No sign of any separation starting anywhere. It literally looks like it just came off the factory in the joint. Just fresh paint I can clearly see paint flat paint.
A couple none vital question. Is the Blue Streak suppose to be grayish?
I clearly have a sideways H under the loading port, any ideas?
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Looks like it might be refinished with flat gray/black paint. Check it with some thinner on a Q tip in an inconspicuous spot. The older ones were not painted. Is a '78 according to the s/n. Looks in good overall shape. Not sure about that intermount but am curious 'cause I have one. Shoot my Dans with opens that have painted on accents though.
Have you held it up to a bright light source to check for barrel separation? It won't show if the rear sight is off, even if it has some.
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That what I was thinking too, that it was painted. Was done by original owner cause the man I bought it from was the second. Cheers for doing a good job! Very even, no runs, no prints did a good job. Yea I held it up to the light no separation before I took everything off. Man, that iron sight was a pain this time to get it off.
When the inter mount came off no notice either of any separation starting. The paint at the joint was still intact. Seems to be fine looks like these mounts had been on it for quite some many years. I found this thread that Tim mentions them. He just says it's a losy base. I'm sure its the general slippage issue u deal with, with this style of mount. Mine don't seem to move maybe a benefit from the matte finish on it?
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80515.msg768041#msg768041 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80515.msg768041#msg768041)
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Get the IA Benjamin/Sheridan scope base from Tim @ Mac-1. Guaranteed not to cause barrel separation & rock solid. Make sure to get some Secret Sauce too. Again, it's made for your vintage pumper.
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/product-p/iashba.htm (http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/product-p/iashba.htm)
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If this is your first Blue Streak you may want to clean, oil and put a couple pumps in your other guns because it's gonna be awhile before they see any action again...... congrats.
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Yea I've seen the IA. Just trying to save a couple bucks. Since it's not tapped I either need to tap it or maybe not so good it up and get an IA. I'm sure there is a collector out there that will want the Sheridan "Racine" mount. Which will probably cover most the cost of the IA.
This pump linkage is solid! It's definitely head over heels better than the new linkage in the 392's now a days. I fired a couple pellets last night and wow it's got some POP! Can't imagine this beast being steroided. I was just sighting in from 5m to 10m so just 3 pumps. But it was blasting thru the padding, foam, terry clothes, and smashing the board behind it like there was nothing in front of it. So power...I am impressed.
He also gave me 2 old 500ct yellow box Sheridan pellets with it. Tag says 5.99 on one and 7.99 on the other. The gentleman wasn't an air gunner he was a powder burner. I actually met him at Richmond Rod and Gun. He wanted to know why these Sheridan cases sell for 30 bucks on eBay, just the cases? I told him it's an addiction, that's all. Then I proceeded to tell him that they have pellet guns that sell for thousands of dollar. If he had an A series Super Grade and not this C series I would have been bringing several Benjamin with me and not several Hamiltons along. He was shocked, then proceeds to ask "why would anyone spend a thousand dollars on a pellet gun? When u can get a perfectly good firearm for that price"? At that very moment a guy pulls up trying to get into the gun clubs lot. I say," same reason why this fat guy and his wife are sunday driving around in a dually. He clearly doesn't work in construction. Some people just like to collect and some just have money to waste." We had a good laugh. I asked him how often does he gets to shoot his PB. Says once or twice a month if he's lucky. I asked him "why do you waste hundreds of dollars on guns and bullets just to be able to shoot once or twice? I shoot every, every other day for pennies a shot". He started understanding. May have finally gotten through to a 70 year old man into seeing the bright side of pellet guns.
Also got a Benjamin 132, but I'll save that for later.
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Welp, unfortunately there is a slow leak in her. I've put several drops of SS in the gun. Pumped up and fired it a few times to get it moving into the valve. Pumped it 3 times and left it muzzle up. You can hear air slowly bubbling out.
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Not to worry, they are easily fixed. A reseal job and it will be good for years. You are right, the Sheridan is a powerful (and accurate) rifle in it's own right even without a "steroid" job. Don't sell the old intermount short. I have one on my '67 Blue Streak and it works fine. I don't believe they will cause any problems as long as you don't tighten the screws to much. Just *snug* and you're good to go.
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w446/sotol11/P6290336%20-%20Copy_zpsclughlxn.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/sotol11/media/P6290336%20-%20Copy_zpsclughlxn.jpg.html)
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Nice looking Dan, Terry.
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Congrat's on the new shooter, Rob! 8) I recently acquired my first Sheridan, a late '80's Blue Streak, and I absolutely love it. I also recently resealed a friend's '79, and it wasn't really all that hard to do. Just get the right tools, and take your time with it. Enjoy!
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Nice Streak, if you look close you can see that the mount is not putting and pressure on the solder joint. I have the two screw mount on my 61' and no trouble. I would still be careful hitting the scope as then it might split the solder joint. Just don't bump it hard and you should be fine. Also the open sights are not putting any pressure on the joint unlike the new ones with the wedges.
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I'm not sure what I like more, the gun or the stories how folks acquire them.
Tim's SS may solve the problem if not, a reseal will make her good as new. Congratulations and another joins the frat.
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I feel you John. Ima story guy, I like to paint a visual if you will. We all like pictures, picture are worth a thousand words, as they say? But pictures don't capture the whole moment.
Looks like I'm gonna be in for round 2 now that the 65 Streak is done. After several days the SS couldn't get the seals to go back into commish(Ben 132 started sealing). It slowly leaks, 2 pumps seem to take 4-5 hrs. So one step leads to another and before I know it I have the entire back end off. Much cleaner than the 65 was. I guess that extra 13 years in Texas will do that to you. Already couple small differences in parts. The hammer spring guide is a pretty looking nail(65 had a straight rod). This hammer has no ring(65 had a half ring). The end cap is more rounded off at the point.
The pump cup is soft not rock hard. Looking down to the valve, looks very clean. Little tacky on the sides I'm surprised the Streak fired all its air when shot. Now if I take the valve apart is there any chance to get it holding without ordering a seal kit?
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Trying to find an alternative for the valve stem ring. I started digging it out along with the check valve ring. Check valve ring came out easily, crumbled apart. I cut out as much as I could on valve stem ring. I got it sitting in some acetone. Hopefully it will break it apart.
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Not to worry, they are easily fixed. A reseal job and it will be good for years. You are right, the Sheridan is a powerful (and accurate) rifle in it's own right even without a "steroid" job. Don't sell the old intermount short. I have one on my '67 Blue Streak and it works fine. I don't believe they will cause any problems as long as you don't tighten the screws to much. Just *snug* and you're good to go.
(http://i1076.photobucket.com/albums/w446/sotol11/P6290336%20-%20Copy_zpsclughlxn.jpg) (http://s1076.photobucket.com/user/sotol11/media/P6290336%20-%20Copy_zpsclughlxn.jpg.html)
That's great to hear Terry. This thing looked like it's been where it was for a good plenty of years. No indication at the breech or barrel of suspicious activity.
That's purdy rifle you got there friend. Old school weaver?
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That's a 4x32 Leupold I found at an estate sale. Not sure of the vintage but it's perfect for this gun.
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Yea it compliments it well.
I finally got the valve stem o-ring out. Man I thought getting the pump cup was tough. This was much more difficult. Now to find a substitute o-ring for it, any suggestions?
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Anyone have any tricks to get out the valve nut or a penetrator of some sort? I tried just turning it, but before I bear into it and strip the nut. Figure someone has got a few tricks up their sleeve. I have The Tool.
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Kind of sounds like the 312 you have. Soak it down with some penetrating fluid. Tap on the wrench while you try to unscrew it. That's all I can think of.
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Kind of sounds like the 312 you have. Soak it down with some penetrating fluid. Tap on the wrench while you try to unscrew it. That's all I can think of.
And I never got that 312's off lol. Had to send it to the Man. Tried for 15 with a simple green bike degreaser. Now I got it sitting in SS.
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Cool find speaking of 312 ish rifles. Nice one on AA right nows:
http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=105177&adSort=&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=6 (http://www.airguns.net/classifieds/show_ad.php?adNum=105177&adSort=&StartingAd=0&NumberOfPages=6)
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I do remember that. Try some pb blaster. That stuff works well. You can also try a little heat after the soak that might help loosen things up.
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I do remember that. Try some pb blaster. That stuff works well. You can also try a little heat after the soak that might help loosen things up.
It's been sitting with PB now for 14hrs and still nothing. I think I'm going to do the same thing like with the bolt lug screw. Get a bolt and nut and put it on my impact drill and see if I can pursuade it to move.
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Got that filthy jerk out. I put the tool in a vise and rotated rifle. Success!! It was disgusting with a lot of debris in the gunk. I'm sure this didn't help with the leak issue.
Few more differences in parts as you can see the check valve on this is a pad with a rubber button. This ones valve only has 2 ports and slightly shorter. The valve stem doesn't have the extension where hammer strikes it. Valve spring is pointed and had 2 washers that where corroded together. Check valve spring is copper.
Ok so I was leaking air out the barrel. Does that mean it was either my valve stem o-ring or rubber valve gasket (valve nut ring was lead)? So I got it all soaking with SS. I think the leak was being caused at the valve stem o-ring. The indent in that o-ring and the ring on the valve body where just making contact. Where years ago the indent wasn't in the o-ring, and it actually sealed. Does this sound about right?? Though the rubber valve gasket didn't look to shabby either. Was flat, not sure if it use to be?
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LOVE there rocker rifles!! ;D ;) I'm trying to buy my first SILVER as we speak! (I have four Blues. ;) )
I rebuilt one.... not for me. I have new found respect for those with the patience to accomplish it! :o ::) ;) ;) ;)
Good luck on yours! It looks real good and will be a shooter again for sure! Be sure you order some secrete sauce from MAC1 too. Its a "requirement" for all Benjis and Dans!
CW
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That was pretty nasty inside for sure. The internals look the same as the benji 317 I rebuilt. Looks like the lead seals are in good shape so you might get lucky with them.
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The joy of being almost entirely all brass. Instead of having to use 300 pieces of paper towel on a dowel you can use 50. If you give the rifle a good hosing down.
I swapped out the valve stem with the extra I had. I had gutted out the old o-ring at the base and installed a small o-ring from the hardware store.
I test tried the extra valve, but it wouldn't fit. It wouldn't allow the valve nut to tighten. The moment I tried the factory valve everything went in easily.
The factory gasket I replaced with an o-ring. I reused the lead gasket, that the valve nut tightens on.
I reused the factory check valve I thought it looked pretty good.
I reused the factory pump cup. Other then it being caked with sludge it was very soft and in great shape. Can't believe how much crude was in the cup.
Ok so it fired a couple times everything was a success. Then I came back to it after I did a shoot sesh with another rifle. I fired the stored shot, sounded funny. Pumped up to 3 and fired, sounded weird. Now I'm pumping and air is coming straight out the barrel. Not leaking it's just pushing right out. Check valve?
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Try cocking it before pumping. The exhaust valve lets the air out of the barrel.
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I would try cocking it first too. You could still have something stuck between the exhaust valve and seat.
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Yea I don't know what it was. After going back down again later last night. I pumped it several times and after a few it started holding. So it must have been something clogging it up. Maybe one of those 50 pieces of paper towel ripped off a little. So alls good in the hood.
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Good to hear.