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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: HWNut on July 28, 2015, 06:28:07 AM
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http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?749719-Chinese-Weihrauch-s (http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?749719-Chinese-Weihrauch-s)
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From the link, according to the rumor and gossip mill:
"Just picked this up off weihrauch facebook forum.. Just read on UKCAF "To meet current high demands, Weihrauch have contracted Shaoxing Snow Peak to produce the HW95 and HW97. The first production run of the new SPA HW95 and SPA HW97 - due next spring/summer - will be FAC-rated for the US market and likely distributed by Pyramyd Air. Expect the sub-12 ft/lb variety to hit UK dealers sometime in 2017. Surprising to say the least."
IF true, one might expect the production of German-made 95's and 97's to continue, the Chinese-made models aimed for the more undiscriminating, cash-strapped shooters. :o
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Does that mean in the future my made in Germany HWs will be more valuable? I've owned a bunch of Chinese rifles, sold them all.........
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And so it starts, I own one Chinese rifle and I won't sell it because it's not operating right. It's sitting in the closet collecting dust.
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Looks to me like someone's trying to start a rumour for fun:
The title of the post is "rumours..."
http://ukchineseairgunforum.myfreeforum.org/sutra431404.php (http://ukchineseairgunforum.myfreeforum.org/sutra431404.php)
Check out the 2nd post down, which seems to indicate amusement that the HW rumour has already spread to two forums.
The post also mentions an AA break barrel to be announced.
Sounds like a joke to me, but I suppose one could email HW and AA if they wanted verification.
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To Grauhanen: how does one target " cash strapped, undiscriminating" customers.
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So a German Company is possibly outsourcing? Amazing, absolutely amazing.
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So a German Company is possibly outsourcing? Amazing, absolutely amazing.
Weren't there some Diana 34's made in China?
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So a German Company is possibly outsourcing? Amazing, absolutely amazing.
Weren't there some Diana 34's made in China?
12 land barrels . some worked, Most did not.
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To Grauhanen: how does one target " cash strapped, undiscriminating" customers.
$$$$ Cheapen it and they will come. $$$$
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To Grauhanen: how does one target " cash strapped, undiscriminating" customers.
If the rumor has any basis and Weihrauch were to commit the egregious sin of having guns with their moniker on them manufactured in China, those guns would likely be promoted with the old slogan "designed and engineered in Germany" but available at "affordable" prices. Discriminating airgun shooters understand that there would be an inevitable difference between a Weihrauch made in the German factory and one made in China, where low wages and commensurate skill-levels are common.
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I had a POS built in China with Walther Force1000? on it. As a first time air rifle buyer, at the time, I somehow thought that Walther's name on rifle meant some quality inside. NOT!!! Lousy trigger fair accuracy.
However, it did teach me to be more discriminating in my choices and purchases thereafter. Note my two toys in the signature line.
The Walther rifle did find a good home though. My daughter uses it to teach kids the basics.
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Note the country of origin of your computer? Is it's quality lacking? Check out your shoes, cell phone, camera? Quality is available anywhere "China incl." if one wishes to pay the price.
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"Due to high demand" is a crock. They are going to China to increase margins .... pure greed, at the probable expense of quality and control. Yes, you can get some quality out of China, but you have to stand over them with a whip in order to get it. The first time you get lax, the quality will drop. Just sayin'
Pappy
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Deep down I think this is someone's joke. I am sure HW has learned the lesson from Diana. If not old HW rifles will surely go up in value. :)
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Keep your pants on guys. You know 90% of net rumors are BS.
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I think it is a joke. If they can't keep up with demand they just raise their price a little so there is a little less demand and make more money. In theory a Chinese HW would lower the price and increase demand which would not solve their problem. My theory is a Chinese HW would kill demand and create a whole new, worse problem. If they can't keep up with demand now at their current prices it would make sense to expand their current operations to keep up with demand, or just raise their prices and slow down demand to keep up.
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If Weirauch outsources to China, they might as well get ready to file bankruptcy. Nobody wants a Chinese Weirauch.
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If Weirauch outsources to China, they might as well get ready to file bankruptcy. Nobody wants a Chinese Weirauch.
Sure about that are you.
I bet you're happy with your Chinese Cell phone and computer.
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If Weirauch outsources to China, they might as well get ready to file bankruptcy. Nobody wants a Chinese Weirauch.
Sure about that are you.
I bet you're happy with your Chinese Cell phone and computer.
I certainly am not going to be the first to try one. China has earned their reputation for manufacturing junk. For every computer of quality like Apple there are 10 that are at best disposable. You can be happy with a junk computer if you don't know any better, until it dies with all your family photos on it. After being in IT support for the last 25 years I don't know how many times I have heard "Huh, it was working fine yesterday". To which I usually reply "that's what the farmer said about his dead cow"...lol
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I certainly am not going to be the first to try one. China has earned their reputation for manufacturing junk. For every computer of quality like Apple there are 10 that are at best disposable. You can be happy with a junk computer if you don't know any better, until it dies with all your family photos on it. After being in IT support for the last 25 years I don't know how many times I have heard "Huh, it was working fine yesterday". To which I usually reply "that's what the farmer said about his dead cow"...lol
All I can say is my HP made in China is doing just fine, even tho its 6 years old as of now.
For all these nay sayers they best look at the country of origin of all their items in their house including their clothing. Then check out the country of origin of the components of their vehicle regardless of where it was assembled.
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If Weirauch outsources to China, they might as well get ready to file bankruptcy. Nobody wants a Chinese Weirauch.
Sure about that are you.
I bet you're happy with your Chinese Cell phone and computer.
I certainly am not going to be the first to try one. China has earned their reputation for manufacturing junk. For every computer of quality like Apple there are 10 that are at best disposable. You can be happy with a junk computer if you don't know any better, until it dies with all your family photos on it. After being in IT support for the last 25 years I don't know how many times I have heard "Huh, it was working fine yesterday". To which I usually reply "that's what the farmer said about his dead cow"...lol
I love my Chinese breakbarrel, and I've had many other guns made in China that exceeded my expectations. That being said, people buy Weirauch because they know it is a high quality product, made to a higher standard of higher quality materials, the same way they have been made for a very long time. You look what happened to Webley in Turkey, and what happened to BSA springers in Spain, add to that the RWS 12 land barrel debacle and what do you get? If I have the choice between spending $300 on a Chinese HW95 or a German Diana 34, the choice is easy to make. As soon as they start outsourcing, things will probably go downhill. Getting what you pay for applies to factories as much as it does to consumers.
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Does this mean I should hurry up and buy my HW97 right away?!?! Hahahaha ;)
Ted
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If Weirauch outsources to China, they might as well get ready to file bankruptcy. Nobody wants a Chinese Weirauch.
Sure about that are you.
I bet you're happy with your Chinese Cell phone and computer.
I certainly am not going to be the first to try one. China has earned their reputation for manufacturing junk. For every computer of quality like Apple there are 10 that are at best disposable. You can be happy with a junk computer if you don't know any better, until it dies with all your family photos on it. After being in IT support for the last 25 years I don't know how many times I have heard "Huh, it was working fine yesterday". To which I usually reply "that's what the farmer said about his dead cow"...lol
I am a paint maker. You would not believe the stuff we get from China. The top 8 to 10 bags on a pallet of raw materials is grade "A" material, but you check the bottom of the pallet and you will find junk. It is as if they want you to catch them and say something about it. I find the people who get burned the most are the lazy ones, they check the top bag and then unload the truck. I have trained many people and always teach them to sample the lower 1/3 of the middle pallets. :) They usually end up thanking me for saving them the headaches of finding the problem of a batch that went wrong.
The other bad thing about buying material from China is you pay 1/2 up front & the other 1/2 when it hits port and you are stuck with it.
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Unless I missed something, this is unconfirmed gossip........ Has anyone bothered to e-mail Mr. W and ask him?
Personally : Mind you ,if there is any truth to the "Rumor" Forget HW. As it is I will not buy another one .....I'm happy with all that I have. That could change too.
But Chinese parts are the same as Chinese food---- it all ends up being Poop!
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Unless I missed something, this is unconfirmed gossip........ Has anyone bothered to e-mail Mr. W and ask him?
Personally : Mind you ,if there is any truth to the "Rumor" Forget HW. As it is I will not buy another one .....I'm happy with all that I have. That could change too.
But Chinese parts are the same as Chinese food---- it all ends up being Poop!
Yes surely somebody on this forum has the ability (brain power) to track this down. As the "Bulb" I do not qualify in the brain power program.
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Cool, that means they will become cheaper, probably half the price so I can buy two of them !
Hoax....
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Cool, that means they will become cheaper, probably half the price so I can buy two of them !
Hoax....
A very ugly, dirty one
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A very ugly, dirty one
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AH, Come on, just like your computer & cell phone, right?
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A very ugly, dirty one
AH, Come on, just like your computer & cell phone, right?
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Nobody is going bankrupt for phones or computers made in China. It is laughable to compare them with air rifles
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And you think Weihrauch is going belly up?
That is just as silly!
What do you wish me to compare it to?
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I looked at some websites on the German internet. With my dreadful, bad German and a very poor translation program, I found that there are:
1. Similar discussions going on about the same information report as being discussed here with equally poor information
2. There were similar discussions in 2012 and in 2010 about Weihrauch moving production to China with no results???
3. German shooters were talking about exactly the same things as here. Bad idea & will ruin the product. Buy your gun now before they go to China. Goodie Goodie they will be cheaper! I'll never buy another! I'll buy 2 instead! etc.
4. They have no more concrete information than we do.
My suggestion is to hug your rifle, or Teddy Bear, and wait for more information before you panic.
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This is really getting ridiculous, let's hold off for the truth to surface. By the way, we are talking about air guns here .... not air bags or brakes for your car, not parachute manufacturing, or the purification of our water .... we are talking about air guns, no one is going to die over this. If Weihrauch closed down tomorrow, so what .... they make air guns. We still have AA, Beeman, and Walther that make a good springer .... oh yeah .... and we still have all the other companies, and Chinese companies, that make the lower end, lower quality rifles.
A short rant ....
Pappy
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Pappy you mention Beeman. The only good Beeman's out now are the"R" series made by HW and imported by AirVenturi(PA). All the other Beeman's are Chinese. Ok guns but not anywhere near "R" gun quality.
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I bet you're happy with your Chinese Cell phone and computer.
The scary thing is how much information these Chinese companies (and by default, the Chinese government) could have, based on their marketshare of these technology products.
I know this thread topic is probably just a hoax, but I personally have problems with Chinese-made products. It's not to do so much with quality, as I know the Chinese-built Remington Express I examined had pretty good build quality (as do the aforementioned Apple products). There are many other issues with China in general.
- Lack of respect for intellectual property and patents
- Industrial espionage and hacking
- Lax environmental controls (when the world isn't looking during the Olympics)
- Questionable labor conditions
- Repression of political dissent
- Health-related issues in Chinese products (lead in children's toy paint, hazardous drywall, etc)
I'd wager you could get a better built product for the same amount of money if it came from China rather than from Germany, the USA or UK, but at what price?
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Pappy you mention Beeman. The only good Beeman's out now are the"R" series made by HW and imported by AirVenturi(PA). All the other Beeman's are Chinese. Ok guns but not anywhere near "R" gun quality.
I was referring to the "R" series being up there with the AA, and Walther, in regard to a quality rifle. Thank you for the clarification.
Lone Ranger, agree on all points.
Pappy
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Something I've always questioned regarding lead paint on a toy. If all the paint was removed from the toy and everything other than the lead removed just how big a pile of lead would we have?
I grew up with no fear of lead as most everyone in my generation did, and we are the ones that put a man on the moon.
Wonder if the pioneers went into a panic when little Jonney got into daddys muzzleloader balls?
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I may be paranoid but the thought of China as a world power scares me. Their population is massive. They a fairly new in manufacturing and getting better and better at it. Their learning ability by hacking into worldwide computer systems is only making them stronger. If and when the dollar crashes there goes my comfortable retirement. JMO
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Something I've always questioned regarding lead paint on a toy. If all the paint was removed from the toy and everything other than the lead removed just how big a pile of lead would we have?
I grew up with no fear of lead as most everyone in my generation did, and we are the ones that put a man on the moon.
Wonder if the pioneers went into a panic when little Jonney got into daddys muzzleloader balls?
I work in the paint industry and lead is bad. Thank goodness the states have removed lead even for their road paint. It is bad for the people dealing with it & their families.
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I need to add more information on the lead contained in paint. I know people have different opinions. When we were growing up we did not wear helmets when riding, but it is proven that helmets saves lives. Same is true with education of the lead in paint.
Due to containing both lead and hexavalent chromium, lead(II) chromate is profoundly toxic.
Lead(II) chromate is a poison, and can be fatal if swallowed or inhaled.
Lead(II) chromate is a known carcinogen, developmental toxicant, and reproductive toxicant. It is also suspected that lead(II) chromate is a cardivascular or blood toxicant, immunotoxicant, kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant, and a skin toxicant or sense organ toxicant.
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I need to add more information on the lead contained in paint. I know people have different opinions. When we were growing up we did not wear helmets when riding, but it is proven that helmets saves lives. Same is true with education of the lead in paint.
Due to containing both lead and hexavalent chromium, lead(II) chromate is profoundly toxic.
Lead(II) chromate is a poison, and can be fatal if swallowed or inhaled.
Lead(II) chromate is a known carcinogen, developmental toxicant, and reproductive toxicant. It is also suspected that lead(II) chromate is a cardivascular or blood toxicant, immunotoxicant, kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant, and a skin toxicant or sense organ toxicant.
I understand all that, so just how dangerious is this lead.
I got a recall notice in the mail today to have my air bags replaced in my car. All because of 7 deaths in accidents in over a million air bag deployments. I think the odds are in my favor.
BTW I live in an old house, my mother was raised in this house, its came in the family back in the 1800's, I betting under all the coats of paint it's lead paint, I know for a fact under the vinal siding it's asbostes siding, I'm almost 72 and doing fairly well, this is after 50 years as a bullet caster, muzzleloading handling raw lead, heck right now there is over 2 tons of smelted lead in my garage and 10/15 buckets of range lead waiting to smelt, probably will never get around to it.
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I need to add more information on the lead contained in paint. I know people have different opinions. When we were growing up we did not wear helmets when riding, but it is proven that helmets saves lives. Same is true with education of the lead in paint.
Due to containing both lead and hexavalent chromium, lead(II) chromate is profoundly toxic.
Lead(II) chromate is a poison, and can be fatal if swallowed or inhaled.
Lead(II) chromate is a known carcinogen, developmental toxicant, and reproductive toxicant. It is also suspected that lead(II) chromate is a cardivascular or blood toxicant, immunotoxicant, kidney toxicant, neurotoxicant, respiratory toxicant, and a skin toxicant or sense organ toxicant.
I understand all that, so just how dangerious is this lead.
Since you are 72 you must not have young children in your home. I am 56 and have 4 children still at home and would not want the following to happen to them:
Lead chromate is a poison, and can be fatal if swallowed or inhaled.
Lead chromate is a known carcinogen, developmental toxicant, and reproductive toxicant.
Then again I have only been working with it since I was a teen, & showers after work were mandatory.
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Well I have raised two fine successful girls, they are in their 40's now.
Heck I and many of my friends played with mercury when we were kids.
Funny, I went into the U.S. Army with an IQ of 145.
No idea what it is today, but I doubt it's much lower, regardless of lead, mercury, or asbestos.
Have a Good Day, Thank You very much!
Just an add on, yes my Grandchildren come to visit, with no worries.
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So, back to the Weirauch from China hoax.
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So, back to the Weirauch from China hoax.
Sounds good.
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Maybe it was some some bad Chinese lead-paint that made the German's goofy and in a weak brat-n-beer fueled moment they decided to make guns in China. How's that for a conspiracy?!
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Maybe it was some some bad Chinese lead-paint that made the German's goofy and in a weak brat-n-beer fueled moment they decided to make guns in China. How's that for a conspiracy?!
What a tangled web we weave when at first ????????????
Shucks, forgot how it goes!!!!!!!!!!!
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Just received an HW95 from AOA on Friday and it says "Made in Germany". So the production hasn't moved there yet although nobody can say for sure what will or will not happen in the future.
I'm happy with the quality and for $299 (plus shipping) it's a great deal.
Cheers,
John
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Looks as tho it's all rumor from a post from another forum named after one of the basic colors.
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Bille received an email from Weihrauch saying that their arms will always be made in Germany.
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Bille received an email from Weihrauch saying that their arms will always be made in Germany.
:)
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BillE here, aka garczar6. Yes, i did send and have gotten reply from Hans at HW. He said that yes, they were aware of said rumors and production is and will be in Germany. That's it, short-n-sweet, to the point.
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Bille received an email from Weihrauch saying that their arms will always be made in Germany.
That's why I stay out of crowds............................
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Gentlemen,
Just got a BAM B20 HW95 clone. Will post pics when she arrives .
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Just received an HW95 from AOA on Friday and it says "Made in Germany". So the production hasn't moved there yet although nobody can say for sure what will or will not happen in the future.
I'm happy with the quality and for $299 (plus shipping) it's a great deal.
Cheers,
John
Of the three models shown, they are ALL above $400
How did you get that price?
HM
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Hector - the post you are quoting for the $299 is dated August 2015
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Yes this thread is no less than 6+ years old !!
Got love digging up buried garbage
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Zombie thread
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ROFL!
THANKS, my friends!
This is what happens when you consult the forum from the phone in an airplane!
Still, it's a good laugh.
Thanks again, keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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Just received an HW95 from AOA on Friday and it says "Made in Germany". So the production hasn't moved there yet although nobody can say for sure what will or will not happen in the future.
I'm happy with the quality and for $299 (plus shipping) it's a great deal.
Cheers,
John
Of the three models shown, they are ALL above $400
How did you get that price?
HM
Several years ago AOA had a "HW95" for $299.00 + shippinjg (mine cost $329 with shipping) but the "catch" was that I had to wait till the HW95s arrived. I went ahead and ordered one which had a 6 week wait period. I was impressed with AOA because they didn't put a charge on my CC till the gun was shipped about 3 weeks later.
When the gun arrived the "outer box" was undamaged, however the "inner box" was damaged like this............
(https://i.imgur.com/bl575Cn.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/OFTO16W.jpg)
LOL....seems that the "inner box" was damaged prior to packing but the gun itself was in perfect condition...........
(https://i.imgur.com/9AxxnJW.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/l8IxFiP.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/RGzKQJa.jpg)
Considering the price of parts for my .177 Beeman R9 I ordered the HW95 from AOA simply to have replacement parts in case I needed a Rekord trigger, barrel, receiver tube, etc. After testing the HW95 and finding the internal components were "better fitted" than the R9 bought years before the HW95 became my "go to springer" and the R9 is the "just in case backup".
(https://i.imgur.com/eHEAp7o.jpg)
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I bought one for a buddy who was "retiring" to his farm in the Shenandoah Valley. I do not remember there being much of a wait till he received it.
I figured it would fit in with his new "redneck" life style. Guess I should have bought one for me too...... :-[
To good a deal to pass up! ;)
-Y
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I got the HW95 .177 Plain Jane and nothing's wrong with it.
In fact this rifle impresses me to the point of keeping it and mounting Diana Zero Recoil mounts with a decent scope on it to figure its limits.