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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: temchik on June 30, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
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Hi All, I just received my $44.50 Ruger Air Hawk refurbished rifle from MidwayUSA). The rifle looks new, but it has a dent in the stock
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/dz5jgvq3fwjjwiv/stock.jpg?dl=1)
No worries, I will fix that later, if ever.
Shot about a dozen pellets, the gun sounded like .22lr but settled after about 10 shots. Cocking effort was a bit heavy, shot cycle is NOT twangy at all, it's actually pretty smooth, the trigger is nice, much better than you get on $100 Crosmans and Gamos.
Now, it was time to take it apart and have a look see. Oh my
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/2naar3rwkjawj05/exploded.jpg?dl=1)
It ain't Diana :D
Everything is very rough, there was virtually NO lube except for the piston seal covered in some kind of reddish brown substance. The piston seal doesn't look that bad
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/jojur8iqvmyqww9/pistonseal.jpg?dl=1)
But the piston itself is in horrible shape: it looks like a drunk 9 year old machined it and the guide rod is crooked (couldn't photograph it well, but it is not straight)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/mvoy4w7s1jt8kq3/piston1.jpg?dl=1)
And there's rust and pitting inside
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ucx741qa176dc2a/piston2.jpg?dl=1)
The spring is slightly bent, spring ends are not really flat or polished. There's rust on the spring
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/fqmseo9b87ln620/spring1.jpg?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6t2iytune3ad10t/spring2.jpg?dl=1)
And the spring guide is made from very soft plastic and already has damage
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/28qrphsjwbrmear/springguide.jpg?dl=1)
Well, it ain't Diana, but it was $56 shipped and it looks like a project gun or a good candidate for a tune kit
Enjoy
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Started to clean the barrel, it's very filthy!! Ran about 20 patches with Ballistol and still coming out brown. Will continue tomorrow it needs scrubbing
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Although I'd probably never buy one (I have two Dianas) thank you for taking the time to assemble the picture story.
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Since you already have this posted, you might like to send Midway a link to this article. We all buy stuff from them, or many of us do, and this does sorta impinge upon their reputation, since when you say refurbished many would think and believe that it has been returned to like new condition. Yours seems to more of a "used- as is" than refurbished.
To many, (taken from e-how) "Understanding "Refurbished"
A refurbished electronic device is one returned to "like new" state after being previously owned; this is how it differs from a used item. It may be a smartphone returned to the manufacturer after a week, or a desktop that a hobbyist fixed up before putting it up for sale on Craigslist. Anyone can sell an old piece of electronics and call it "refurbished" -- as such, it is important to choose refurbished goods from reputable manufacturers."
Not trying to start anything here, but I'd be somewhat disappointed if that is how I received it. At least you have the skills to take it apart and understand the functions of each part.
Much Aloha... 8)
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@Rattus58 - maybe this is what new Ruger's look like?
My refurb was received last Friday. Same day as a John in PA tuned D34. I'm a newb when it comes to springers, but the Ruger was producing groups the same size as the D34.... Just at 25 ft instead of 25 yards. :D :D
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@Rattus58 - maybe this is what new Ruger's look like?
My refurb was received last Friday. Same day as a John in PA tuned D34. I'm a newb when it comes to springers, but the Ruger was producing groups the same size as the D34.... Just at 25 ft instead of 25 yards. :D :D
;D Maybe.... well just 18 more to go....
8) Aloha...
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@Rattus58 - maybe this is what new Ruger's look like?
My refurb was received last Friday. Same day as a John in PA tuned D34. I'm a newb when it comes to springers, but the Ruger was producing groups the same size as the D34.... Just at 25 ft instead of 25 yards. :D :D
Afraid you may be right, we'll see how it shoots, but having a crooked piston guide rod, I am not holding my breath. I am not sure I am going to bother with spending $80 on a tune kit given the condition
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My refurb from Midway is going to be a work in progress. Tried at least 20 different pellets in it and could not hit a thing. It does not have the power to go trough a soup can so I am sure it has piston or spring issues. The stock was awesome so I put it on my MM tuned Xisco 25, so not a total lose.
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OK now I'm starting to wonder if I should even bother keeping my Ruger Impact when it comes, I wasn't looking to pay $89 for a "project"rifle. The pics have put a sour taste in my mouth and a knot in my stomach and IMHO it's beyond reprehensible to send some one a "refurb" in that condition. I'm a fetus when it comes to springers and I don't have the skills, time or $$$ to deal with such obvious consumer contempt.
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I am fairly certain on a refurb they do not tear it down and clean everything up inside.
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and I quote directly from their website...
"The Ruger Impact Factory Reconditioned Air Rifle has been through the factory and completely overhauled to provide you with a like new rifle that we can offer for a great price!"
no such statement on the Air Hawk page though...
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and I quote directly from their website...
"The Ruger Impact Factory Reconditioned Air Rifle has been through the factory and completely overhauled to provide you with a like new rifle that we can offer for a great price!"
no such statement on the Air Hawk page though...
I don't think the internal condition of my refurb is that different than new ones, it was probably a retail reject due to the gouged stock...
I will contact Ruger/Umarex to see if they can send me a replacement piston, otherwise I'll just shoot it
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I don't think the internal condition of my refurb is that different than new ones, it was probably a retail reject due to the gouged stock...
I will contact Ruger/Umarex to see if they can send me a replacement piston, otherwise I'll just shoot it
My refurb has a few minor cosmetic blems on the stock that look like factory finish issues. Other than that, I think Umarex just gave it a couple extra-healthy squirts of chamber oil through the transfer port, stamped an R on the breech block, and called it good to go.
After the first three shots with major detonation, I took it down to discover it was dry behind the piston seal and soaked in front. The seal was pretty thrashed, so I have an ARH replacement on the way. The Tesla worked great in my BH Elite, but I'm trying the Apex on this one. The breach seal is functional on this gun and does not need shimming- maybe it's already shimmed- I didn't check. I do hope for good accuracy once the new piston seal is installed.
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I don't think the internal condition of my refurb is that different than new ones, it was probably a retail reject due to the gouged stock...
I will contact Ruger/Umarex to see if they can send me a replacement piston, otherwise I'll just shoot it
My refurb has a few minor cosmetic blems on the stock that look like factory finish issues. Other than that, I think *Umarex just gave it a couple extra-healthy squirts of chamber oil through the transfer port, stamped an R on the breech block, and called it good to go.
After the first three shots with major detonation, I took it down to discover it was dry behind the piston seal and soaked in front. The seal was pretty thrashed, so I have an ARH replacement on the way. The Tesla worked great in my BH Elite, but I'm trying the Apex on this one. The breach seal is functional on this gun and does not need shimming- maybe it's already shimmed- I didn't check. I do hope for good accuracy once the new piston seal is installed.
Been reading this thread, and seeing things like "customer contempt" I guess I'd kind of have to read further and find Umarex behind it. OK, still though I always at least try to take everything into account so in their defense (gak!), my guess is refurbished to factory condition means rusty parts and "functionally" in tolerance.
New ones are probably no different than the one you got, perhaps it was damaged in shipping or a seal was missing/bad. The rust shouldn't have any effect inside the piston and once the trigger group lets go of the piston it probably doesn't matter that the release pin is bent (the weight distribution is the same for every shot).
It is a shame when you think about companies that care about their reputation that stay with the tried-and-true year after year like Daisy that make stuff cheaper (but still refined), more accurate, and then stand behind them no matter what. The less customer oriented companies change something every model year or so just so they can make sure you don't return one that is out of warranty and take a new one from a store front --- and they consider it secondary that their changes are not for the better.
* What I learned about dealing with Umarex is never speak with them over the telephone without recording the conversation, expect the worst from them if ANYTHING goes wrong, and expect the fight of your life if they decide to take you (ask me how I know, I'm out $125). So much for "sticking up for them", oh well, I tried :-\
BTW, it's "funny" excess oil got mentioned, that was the first basis for them voiding my warranty ... I lost count how many they shoveled over it.
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Guys, I am not bashing Umarex, nor have I any experience with their customer service (I doubt they will send me a free new piston and I doubt it will be much better even if they do).
This thread just adds to the pool of information about this particular rifle and Xisico/BAM in general.
- Can those rifles shoot? - Yeah!
- Can they shoot accurately? - If my one example is of any indication of overall quality - Not before being in the hands of a professional tuner
- Are they worth their retail value? - Heck, no! My Gamo is in MUCH better shape internally and the Stoeger looks like someone already did a tune on it.
- Is it worth the $50 I paid? - Absolutely, the most valuable thing in life is experience
Ordering one from MM and having him do a full tune on it would ensure all components are in good shape and will skyrocket the price of the rifle to $215. I have not seen a tuned 25 yet, but judging from others' reviews it's well worth the money paid. Me? I'll eat the $50 and shoot it
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No, they're not 34's. For $65 shipped I'm tickled with my Airhawk refurb from Midway. Looks and shoots good.
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I guess the whole "refurbished" is subject to interpretation. But... anybody who thinks they a getting a "perfect/ as new" item for 1/2 the price of new (or less) is only kidding themselves. Be realistic folks, this is pretty much a "get what you pay for" world. IMHO being upset because you received a "less than perfect" refurbished rifle is silly.
I think the OP was just sharing information and pics that we all like to see and learn about. If you don't want to(or can't) work on your air guns, buy something brand new with a warranty and send it back if it is not up to your expectations!
JMHO +.02
Anylizer
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Two years ago I bought 2 airhawks from Walmart on Black Friday for $98 each. I opened them to do normal deburr, polish and lube like I do every new gun I buy. I gotta tell you, the pics from the OP don't look a whole lot differect from what I saw on the new ones. If they were all perfect in tip top shape they would all cost a few hundos and tuning would be an ancient art we all just read about. I've bought guns from wholesalers by the cases of 5 for $20 each. These were listed as brand new guns.. not refurbs. I have at least 2 of these that take up permenant space in the parts box. Yep... it is true... you get what you pay for. This is why you see the list below. You didn't have to home refurbish new guns yesteryear. Tuning these older gems is just a matter of taking them back to their orginal glory. I have a few MM full tuners and few of my 13XX/22XX builds that will live with me as long as my older collection will. The rest is for sale, trade or just to put a smile on a young persons face that never would otherwise get the oportunity to enjoy this hobby/sport. Trust me... if I had $1500 - $3000 to plop down on an airgun I assure you It would be a Sheridan Super Grade and nothing else. That's just how I see things.
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a little time on the forum reveals these 34 "clones" are almost diamonds in the rough , some a little rougher than others . all springers benefit from a deburring , cleaning and re-lube with the users appropriate lube of choice and these are no different . don't wanna put $80 into a full vortek kit ..... put $35ish into a new seal , spring and lube , do a poor man's vortek sleeve with a soda bottle and add a second trigger screw . i'd be miffed about the crooked guide rod too , but going by your comments it didn't seem to adversely effect the performance or operation of the airgun . thanks for sharing your results .
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You didn't have to home refurbish new guns yesteryear.
Still wouldn't have to if expectations weren't so low for most first time buyers. All I hear nowadays is "you get what you pay for", well, no - the law says (at least here in Alabama) what you get must be suited for the task it was designed.
I'm gonna get in trouble if I don't button it...
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LOL.. I live in Alabama... we have the likes of Walmart, Dollar General, Chinese Food joints and Dish Satelite. The law may very well state that but it only as often as not that you get it.
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LOL.. I live in Alabama... we have the likes of Walmart, Dollar General, Chinese Food joints and Dish Satelite. The law may very well state that but it only as often as not that you get it.
EXACTLY... and how much time and $$$ in liar fees will it cost to get your $50/$100 air rifle compensated for???
Don't get me wrong, right is right, but we have also agreed to accept the "cheaper" version of overseas products as a society.
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If all pellet rifles were built to that high standard I couldn't afford them. Most of my guns I bought at pawn shops, on sale, off the classifieds or refurbed. I believe most refurbs are sent back by people who expected more or broke the scope provided before the gun quit dieseling.
I've bought:
Nice TF89 w/ Leapers scope $80 pawn shop
Win.1000 $35 pawn shop, good gun
Crosman Storm $60 pawn shop, nice
Refurb Win.1100 $79.95 shipped.
Refurbed Blackhawk Elite $59.95
The refurb Airhawk we're talking about
Hatsan 200c carbine on sale $250
Hatsan 155 on sale $225
Beautiful TF89 w/ a nice scope and a Beeman .22 chopped and shrouded barrel from another member $185
Real nice Fastdeer ,scope, sling and case for $125 from a member
A buddy of mine bought a new Porche Carrera dual torbo, $214,000 out the door. Didn't like it and traded it.
I bought a new Dodge Challenger, no turbo, $27,500 out the door. I like it ok.
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I will once again refer directly to the advertisement...
"The Ruger Impact Factory Reconditioned Air Rifle has been through the factory and completely overhauled to provide you with a like new rifle that we can offer for a great price!"
Now I'm not asking for Air Arms $1000+ comparable product here, also not asking for .25" groups out of the box. But rust free and straight is kind of a give in when you read the above advertisement/statement. Call me critical if you will but the whole "you get what you pay for" thing is just people accepting mediocrity as the norm. I'm also aware that all air rifles are things that you have to work on and refine over time. That said I still Realistically expect better than what was OP'ed.
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After buying my refurb I can tell you no more China guns for me. I should of known not to get anything from umarex after all the trouble I had with my walther. $13 to ship it to them and $28 to ship it back to me and I did that 4 times until I told them to just keep the gun because I couldnt afford to ship it back and forth no more.
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Whoa... I was the original poster of the link to this deal. Ya'll make me want to poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick for doing that.
Sorry ya'll are having these issues.
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LOL.. I live in Alabama... we have the likes of Walmart, Dollar General, Chinese Food joints and Dish Satelite. The law may very well state that but it only as often as not that you get it.
Sadly, It's because people rarely stand on principle if it takes an effort. Doesn't make your comment anyless than 100% true unfortunately
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LOL.. I live in Alabama... we have the likes of Walmart, Dollar General, Chinese Food joints and Dish Satelite. The law may very well state that but it only as often as not that you get it.
EXACTLY... and how much time and $$$ in liar fees will it cost to get your $50/$100 air rifle compensated for???
Don't get me wrong, right is right, but we have also agreed to accept the "cheaper" version of overseas products as a society.
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You get war you pay for. If it's a knockoff, caveat emptor - but if it's a new mazaratti on the showroom floor , once I have clear title they are going to honor the warranty even if I paid $50 for it
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Whoa... I was the original poster of the link to this deal. Ya'll make me want to poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick for doing that.
Sorry ya'll are having these issues.
I like mine Bill. It no tuned D34, but it's also a heck of a lot cheaper. Feels solid, looks good. Mine isn't broken in yet, so I'm sure the groups will improve. Unfair of me to compare it to gun costing many times more.
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Whoa... I was the original poster of the link to this deal. Ya'll make me want to poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick for doing that.
Sorry ya'll are having these issues.
Nah, man, I will say thank you! Come think of it - I am not actually aggravated, I was going tinker with it anyway.
Deburred it, sanded and polished sping ends, removed the sleeve (casing pipe) that was dented. Never break the barrel with the stock off!
Didn't have any moly so lubed it with white lithium grease, shot cycle is still very quick and no twang, but cocking is a bit gritty. I am just going to shoot it for a while and then, possibly, put a new decent spring and seal in and finish it off with better washers.
If I could find a piston with a straigh rod I would be soo happy... :)
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I bought mine for the purpose of learning how to take apart and reassemble a D34 clone instead of trying it on my D34 first. And that is exactly what I did the very first night I had it. So I polished all I could, put moly on all the clean parts and reassembled it. It seems to shoot fine. I haven't spent a lot of time with it yet so I can't comment on accuracy.
The outside of the gun looked like brand new. The inside was not rusty. I was well lubricated. The piston was rough in the cocking arm channel. I found the trigger to be more than acceptable for a gun of this price.
Would I order one again knowing what I have experienced? Absolutely
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Guys... I know we are guys and we live for more power but, I think the trick to this guns is slowing it down. We had MM detune an XS-25 for Betty Lou (basically the same gun) because she couldn't cock the AH repeatedly. That gun is awesomely accurate and smooth. She can shoot it all afternoon. Mike took it down to somewhere between the cocking effort of the original AH and the XS-12. It loves cheap .22 cal Daisy Wadcutters and stacks them on top of each other at 25 yds with enough power to work the resettable targets. I wouldn't hesitate a headshot on a squirrel at the range but I probably wouldn't stretch it any more than that. If I had the cash laying around at the time I saw this deal I would have bought 2 of them and done this exact detune to them. Very fun bench shooter. But, if i'm goung to the woods these are not the guns I prefer to carry. I would go with my lighter FD-PCP or a Dan. Or a 2240 bugout for stealth. Again, the things I post are the way I see them for me. I recommend each and everyone do what they see fit for them.
Enjoy... at all costs.
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Here's a picture of what happens if one breaks the barrel with the stock off causing the cocking arm to pivot and push on the piston sleeve (casing pipe as the call it)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i8qn5y566l71xp/sleev2.jpg?dl=1)
Always undo the cocking arm and remove it before taking the barrel off!
This will result in a strong ratcheting noise while cocking the rifle and will greatly increase cocking effort. Bewarned
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Whoa... I was the original poster of the link to this deal. Ya'll make me want to poke myself in the eye with a sharp stick for doing that.
Sorry ya'll are having these issues.
I picked up a BlackHawk Elite on the refurb deal. shot it once, then tore into it... that's just what i do. I found NO major issue with it, and believe that a "new" gun would have looked just the same. Very satisfied with the deal! It shoots great, and after the clean& lube tune It shoots better than my Warranty Replaced (read NEW)Stoger X20s!
As I stated before, "refurb" at half the price of new, should be your first clue as to the expected quality! Like it or not, regardless of what the fine print says.
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I am exchanging emails with Umarex about the piston issue, I was able to photograph the piston to show the angled rod, enjoy
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/ssh7wsrrtl1w8qn/pistonrod.jpg?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/lzywbpcm3c1ile8/pistonrod2.jpg?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/9le51fao5tmrzdq/pistonrod3.jpg?dl=1)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/i1ygdxfewgmixiy/pistonrod3angle.jpg?dl=1)
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Here's a picture of what happens if one breaks the barrel with the stock off causing the cocking arm to pivot and push on the piston sleeve (casing pipe as the call it)
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/3i8qn5y566l71xp/sleev2.jpg?dl=1)
Always undo the cocking arm and remove it before taking the barrel off!
This will result in a strong ratcheting noise while cocking the rifle and will greatly increase cocking effort. Bewarned
Thanks for the warning!
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I'd try bigger pellets before trying a de-tune.
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Well I received mine today (surprisingly fast) and cosmetically it looks just fine. there were a couple of spots where the stain and varnish was iffy but that can be dealt with. Haven't shot it yet and I'll probably wait till the weekend and do it, scopeless to start. In retrospect I may have been a bit over critical, so I'll apologize for that. Remains to be seen if the innards are up to par with the advertised product.
I guess being a newb and just a lil fearful of my first teardown caused a wee bit of apprehension, but as in all things Imma Haveta Get Over It.
will keep you posted, and thanks again TEMCHICK for the OP.
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Thought I'd hop into this fracus.
Org. OP says right off the price for said Air Hawk, funny, I looked at for a few days before I placed my order for one on June 30 2015, price was $49.99, just as it was a few days before. Where did that price of $44.50 come from???
Mine arrived in as new condition other than a simpler copy of the manual and no warranty card, and a plain cardboard box.
Mine shoots very accurately, at least for the first 30 shots so far, can cover my groups with a dime.
Am I going to tear it apart? Not hardly, I've bought many new cars in my driving time. Never tore one down after I got it in my driveway yet.
Seems to me someone has an issue with Midway or refurbished items in general.
Oh Ya, there was no rust, just an in general fantastic value for $49.99, not $44.50.
Oh, I forgot, first shot I made was into a phone boot, pellet penetrated 560+ pages, I'd say not to bad.
I've only been shooting pellet guns since the age of 6 or 7, that was 66 years ago.
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Dunno, man, but that's what it was
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/6q42698fgd33b2e/Screenshot_2015-07-02-18-38-49-1.png?dl=1)
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Here's mine
In Stock Products
Description Price Quantity Total
Product thumbnail image Ruger Air Hawk Air Rifle 177 Caliber Pellet Wood Stock Blue Barrel Factory Reconditioned
Product #: 568452
$49.99 1 $49.99
Product thumbnail image Crosman Premier Ultra Magnum Airgun Pellets 177 Caliber 10.5 Grain Round Nose Tin of 500
Product #: 110904
$8.99 1 $8.99
In Stock Summary
In Stock Product Subtotal: $58.98
Shipping Total: $12.74
Subtotal: $71.72
NRA Round-Up Contribution: $1.28
In Stock Grand Total
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Here it is right from the Midway USA site, everything but the picture. Being as I can't post a link.
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Well, I guess I got what I paid for! :)
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Well, I guess I got what I paid for! :)
By your first post I'd say you paid for $44.50 of junk, plus shipping.
$5.49 more and I got a good one! LOL
Didn't even have a gash in the stock.
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Well, I guess I got what I paid for! :)
By your first post I'd say you paid for $44.50 of junk, plus shipping.
$5.49 more and I got a good one! LOL
Shucks! I got a whole thread of email exchanges with Umarex to post, mobile now, but will update when near a computer :D
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Thought I'd hop into this fracus.
Org. OP says right off the price for said Air Hawk, funny, I looked at for a few days before I placed my order for one on June 30 2015, price was $49.99, just as it was a few days before. Where did that price of $44.50 come from???
Mine arrived in as new condition other than a simpler copy of the manual and no warranty card, and a plain cardboard box.
Mine shoots very accurately, at least for the first 30 shots so far, can cover my groups with a dime.
Am I going to tear it apart? Not hardly, I've bought many new cars in my driving time. Never tore one down after I got it in my driveway yet.
Seems to me someone has an issue with Midway or refurbished items in general.
Oh Ya, there was no rust, just an in general fantastic value for $49.99, not $44.50.
Oh, I forgot, first shot I made was into a phone boot, pellet penetrated 560+ pages, I'd say not to bad.
I've only been shooting pellet guns since the age of 6 or 7, that was 66 years ago.
Here is my original post. I hope it sheds light on your delema. A week before I posted this the gun was $5 more. I assume that's when you bought it.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92730.msg868529#msg868529 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=92730.msg868529#msg868529)
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Bill, thanks for the heads up on the Midway deal. I got a good gun for $48+$13 shpg. +$3 ups=$$64 and some change. Gun came in two days, look and shoots like new. Don't need to be tore down.
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I sure don'tvthink I have a delema at all. For the grand sum of $49.99, I received alike new, clean Ruger Air Hawk. It shoots accurate, dime sized groups and only have 50 shots thru it, it's starting to settle down very nice already. Little more to ask for, sure am not going to fuss over the $5.00 extra mine cost, I've got no problems and it sure isn't going to change my eating habits.
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I sure don'tvthink I have a delema at all. For the grand sum of $49.99, I received alike new, clean Ruger Air Hawk. It shoots accurate, dime sized groups and only have 50 shots thru it, it's starting to settle down very nice already. Little more to ask for, sure am not going to fuss over the $5.00 extra mine cost, I've got no problems and it sure isn't going to change my eating habits.
LOL..... I hear ya... I am glad that 90% or more are satisfied. Like I said before, if I had the money at the time I would have bought 2 of them. I've got guns around here that I bought cheap and still haven't fooled with yet.
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Happened by a hardware store today and got a couple of washers that fit perfectly, the smaller one is 3/8" and another one metric but not sure what size, fits just right. The one on the right is the stock spring guide spacer that is already bent, out in the trash it goes
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/t3j9rz5smxrsvxm/washers.jpg?dl=1)
The one replacing it is so much thicker and better
(https://www.dropbox.com/s/v2rg1714a5dsc4s/washers2.jpg?dl=1)
The gun shoots so nice though, it has the right balance and sights are not bad at all. Shot cycle is very smooth and cocking isn't so bad. It's kind of weird hitting anything I aim at at 10 yards off hand!
Despite my contempt for the internals I must admit, this one is a shooter and a good one at that
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If it ain't broke...
I recently came across a post from a guy that bought a Chinese-made rifle that shot dimes at 50 yards. And he sent it back for warranty work because the breech seal broke. They sent him a brand new rifle with a great breech seal. But, you know the rest.
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Who cares what the gun looks like as long as it shoots. All of my guns get a little rust from time to time. I one time, in front of a friend, pulled out my rusty AK, sanded the rust off, and then sprayed painted it. I think it traumatized my friend that I did this. People get so funny about guns, its just a tool, and it just needs to shoot...
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Who cares what the gun looks like as long as it shoots. All of my guns get a little rust from time to time. I one time, in front of a friend, pulled out my rusty AK, sanded the rust off, and then sprayed painted it. I think it traumatized my friend that I did this. People get so funny about guns, its just a tool, and it just needs to shoot...
Never been in the Military have you!
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My collection numbers into the hundreds of arms.
None of them have any rust on them since I have purchased them.
That encludes an original Sharps Rifle, Calvary Model from the 1860's.
Oh they are more than tools, much more!
Normal people do not collect scratch awls, or basic 9/16 wrenches.
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temchik, for the relatively little bit of coin you dropped, and the fact that it shoots well despite the poor internal fit and finish, I'd say you got a fun project gun that will probably shine nicely with a little TLC and ingenuity. Have fun with her!
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I've bought pellet rifles at pawn shops and the barrel and/or receiver is rusty and pitted. I'll clean that as much as possible then tape the threaded or pin holes and sights and spray them with p/u bed liner.
Looks ok.
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I've bought pellet rifles at pawn shops and the barrel and/or receiver is rusty and pitted. I'll clean that as much as possible then tape the threaded or pin holes and sights and spray them with p/u bed liner.
Looks ok.
One thing to buy them that way, another to allow it to happen while in your possession.
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My collection numbers into the hundreds of arms.
None of them have any rust on them since I have purchased them.
That encludes an original Sharps Rifle, Calvary Model from the 1860's.
Oh they are more than tools, much more!
Normal people do not collect scratch awls, or basic 9/16 wrenches.
Oh so True, but let us remember the OP is about a factory refurbished rifle, should not only expect better, but should definitely recieve better. End Of Story.
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My collection numbers into the hundreds of arms.
None of them have any rust on them since I have purchased them.
That encludes an original Sharps Rifle, Calvary Model from the 1860's.
Oh they are more than tools, much more!
Normal people do not collect scratch awls, or basic 9/16 wrenches.
Oh so True, but let us remember the OP is about a factory refurbished rifle, should not only expect better, but should definitely recieve better. End Of Story.
According to the description I posted above it says a number of times reconditioned, not refurbished and not as Factory New. Mine was, but then I'm lucky. Can not go back to the Midway site to check as they are sold out!
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Synonym for refurbish is recondition.
http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/refurbish (http://www.thesaurus.com/browse/refurbish)
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Even if it was a new condition rifle for $99 from Wal-Mart you can't expect the inside to look like much. I think, other than the bent piston rod, the OP's rifle looked perfectly fine for a $50 refurb or a new $99 version. These aren't quality rifles. They are cheap. You get what you pay for.
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Nit pick n split hairs all you want. "You get what you pay for" is the same as "It is what it is".
Apathy is killing this country.
Perhaps when we demand more from ourselves and others we're not being critical but setting the bar higher. As a Stagehand/Rigger/Carpenter for 20+ yrs I never settled for just OK or adequate.
Maybe it's just me.
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Nit pick n split hairs all you want. "You get what you pay for" is the same as "It is what it is".
Apathy is killing this country.
Perhaps when we demand more from ourselves and others we're not being critical but setting the bar higher. As a Stagehand/Rigger/Carpenter for 20+ yrs I never settled for just OK or adequate.
Maybe it's just me.
Agreed. I was in aviation maintenance for 20 years, then nursing for another 20 and I can't stand to see stuff half-azzed by, especially the younger generation of, trained/licensed 'so called' professionals!
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temchik, for the relatively little bit of coin you dropped, and the fact that it shoots well despite the poor internal fit and finish, I'd say you got a fun project gun that will probably shine nicely with a little TLC and ingenuity. Have fun with her!
I'm with you! What bugs me is my internal OCD recalling all articles about 1/1000th" tolerances and such and tuning and all that..... yeah, I haven't tried this one at 50 yards with a $300 scope, nor that I will at any moment :D
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Nit pick n split hairs all you want. "You get what you pay for" is the same as "It is what it is".
Apathy is killing this country.
Perhaps when we demand more from ourselves and others we're not being critical but setting the bar higher. As a Stagehand/Rigger/Carpenter for 20+ yrs I never settled for just OK or adequate.
Maybe it's just me.
Agreed + 2
What is it saying when we are happy "we got a good one" this time. I'm still not understanding why a $100, $200, or even $500 gun still needs to be opened up and worked on from new. I haven't had to do that with any of my powder burners. That being said, I was happy to "get a good one" with my air hawk.
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Nit pick n split hairs all you want. "You get what you pay for" is the same as "It is what it is".
Apathy is killing this country.
Perhaps when we demand more from ourselves and others we're not being critical but setting the bar higher. As a Stagehand/Rigger/Carpenter for 20+ yrs I never settled for just OK or adequate.
Maybe it's just me.
Agreed + 2
What is it saying when we are happy "we got a good one" this time. I'm still not understanding why a $100, $200, or even $500 gun still needs to be opened up and worked on from new. I haven't had to do that with any of my powder burners. That being said, I was happy to "get a good one" with my air hawk.
Agreed. I was in aviation maintenance for 20 years, then nursing for another 20 and I can't stand to see stuff half-azzed by, especially the younger generation of, trained/licensed 'so called' professionals!
You do if you want to get any level of accuracy. My friend is into sniper shooting and they spend $5K for .338 Lapua rifle so it doesn't have to be opened and worked on to get on target at 2000 meters. It's all in the eye of the beholder, ain't it?
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I ended up with 2. One for me in as far as I can tell in perfect condition and accurate at least beyond my ability and that is all that matters. At my age of 71 sniper accuracy with an air rifle is something else. Now with a Bench Rest rifle in either center fire or .22 using match ammo at 50 cents a round is another ball game also. And requires something much more that a $49.00 springer, no matter the make or country of origin.
The other one looks as good as the first, I cleaned the barrel, lubed all the joints and sighted it in using Crosman Premier Rd. Nose pellets. I'm more than sure the 8 year old Amish boy that is getting it will be thrilled beyond measure, no matter a slight bit of rust he will never see.
For $49.00 they were and are a He!! of a value.
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"Agreed + 2
What is it saying when we are happy "we got a good one" this time. I'm still not understanding why a $100, $200, or even $500 gun still needs to be opened up and worked on from new. I haven't had to do that with any of my powder burners. That being said, I was happy to "get a good one" with my air hawk."
Virtually ANY assembly line, mass produced piece of machinery can benefit from some specific adjustments/refinements. The end owner gets to make the decision of whether or not to do it. If you are satisfied with it as it arrives from the manufacturer, that's great. Both for you as well as the manufacturer and seller. The next guy might not be satisfied and wants to squeeze that extra bit of functional efficiency out of it. Or pay somebody more skilled to do it.
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I've heard that stuff about the younger generation since I was in the younger generation. They're the generation usually fighting our wars. I've saw them come and go for years in the form of new privates and lieutenants. The vast majority of'em were pretty good. The ones I sent to sniper school got their rifle for free if they graduated. Usually had to go twice to graduate if it was windy the last day.
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Ya know guys, in 1972 I took delivery of a brand new Corvette, delivered direct from the factory, in less than2 months the body developed cracks and the left rear fender nearly separated from the main body.
And you here are complaining about a $49.99 air rifle.
WOW,
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Nit pick n split hairs all you want. "You get what you pay for" is the same as "It is what it is".
Apathy is killing this country.
Perhaps when we demand more from ourselves and others we're not being critical but setting the bar higher. As a Stagehand/Rigger/Carpenter for 20+ yrs I never settled for just OK or adequate.
Maybe it's just me.
Agreed + 2
What is it saying when we are happy "we got a good one" this time. I'm still not understanding why a $100, $200, or even $500 gun still needs to be opened up and worked on from new. I haven't had to do that with any of my powder burners. That being said, I was happy to "get a good one" with my air hawk.
I've seen $600 pb revolvers with the timing so bad they spit lead out the sides. I've seen barrels on $300 pb rifles with wavy rifling. I've seen a $270 .22 rimfire so poorly made that you couldn't close the bolt handle. I saw a pb revolver with the timing so bad that when cocked, the hammer was lined up perfectly between two rounds, and it still sold for $400 LOL (gunsmith bought it and fixed it). And these were good, reputable manufacturers. Like savage, smith and Wesson, and ruger....
if you hadn't had to send in a powder burner for warranty repair, then you have gotten "good ones".
I think I have about 17 AKs now, and i could go on for days about problems I've seen out of them.....
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My last post on this topic and I'll shut my Yap (I'm pretty sure of it).
It's not about the price point, I could give a rat's *$$ about the cost.
It's not about having to get out your own tools n get it to where you wanna have it.
It's not about brand names.
Not about the luck (or lack) of the draw.
It's about doing not only what's expected, but doing it right.
It's about having pride in your work and respect for the product and the people you're selling it to.
It's about keeping to a certain standard and keeping your word.
An advertisement is a legal contract with the consumer, too many people forget that nowadays.
Happy 4th
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And everything you yourself have ever produced has never, ever had an error, or anything wrong with it.
Have you ever worked in management & production and needed to meet deadlines on time & be cost effective all at the same time?
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I think you are delusional if you believe Ruger ever cared about putting out a quality air rifle. If they did they wouldn't be going to China and having them build as cheap a rifle as possible so they could sell it retail for $99. As long as it can be cocked, shot, and safe is all Ruger really cared. Ruger, Remington, Stoeger, Gamo, etc. are out to make a quick buck. They know 99% of people who buy their rifles aren't on forums like this. Most people will buy it, shoot a few shots, and put the rifle in a closet for 20 years until it gets sold in a garage sale.
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Much the same goes for the shoes you wear, the computer you peck on, the toaster, fry pan, the list is endless, heck I bet it even includes the ball point pen in your pocket.
Such is the way of life in today's world.
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Actually I never expected the Air Hawk to compare to the Beeman products I purchased 30 years ago.
Just the fact the Air Hawk was priced for only the cost of 2 tanks of gas in my Vibe I thought it would be a fine toy for a 71 year old fart to play with. So far it has exceeded my expectations by a huge extant. Will it hold up for years & years? Don't know, but then how many years am I gonna hold up?
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I'm reading this and thinking peeps just need to lighten up! LOL Its a hobby and seriously its a $50 rifle! I believe the OP went into this with the right perspective. It was cheap, he was curious and he wanted to tinker. Do you complain when you spend $8 for a value meal at McDonalds and then 8itch that it isn't up to the standards of the "gourmet" burger at a restaurant for $18? Yup they both have their place.
All this going on and on about false advertising bad reputation, etc. placed on Midway and Ruger is just crazy talk. Our legal system is cluttered up with people believing they are "entitled" a BMW when they buy a Chevy. They are themselves what is wrong with America. Yes we are a disposable culture. It would be great if we all consumed less and saved up to buy products that last a lifetime. Unfortunately, we won't pay the price. But we have a choice. Make it and live with it.
So let's be real here. Educate yourself and be realistic about your expectations. Then take ownership of your choices and stop whining!
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I think the Ruger AH is a heck of a deal for $99. Don't take my posts above the wrong way. For the money though they will be rough around the edges. Since they are a close copy of the RWS 34 I recommend them as you can buy springs, seals, spring kits, etc. readily available for the 34. A refurb for $50 is a steal. Just people need to understand Ruger was never trying to put a quality rifle on the market, just a functional rifle so they could make a quick profit. The question is how much time and effort do you want to put into it? At some point you will be knocking on the door of the price of a new 34 (or a used or refurb 34). That's why I have never taken the plung. $50 is tempting but I know I would drop a spring kit in it raising the price up to the $150 range. When you see deals on $150 RWS34 refurbs with a T06 trigger and a good Diana barrel, plus just better quality all around, I back off buying an Airhawk. If you buy the $50 refurb AH with the intent just to clean it up, smooth it out, lube it properly, and just work with the parts it came with then you will be better off. If it shoots good it shoots good and if not you are only out $50 and your time.
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Yeah, this thread strayed way off my originally intended topic, but everyone has their own opinion on what $50 (or 100 or 1000 for that matter) should buy and it's great. I think it helps others to make a decision on whether to buy or not. At least one will go with eyes open into this. I really didn't know what to expect before I opened it.
I think it will shoot without any work, but deburring and lubing it properly sure will help with longevity, or at least I believe so.
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Well now, larspawn & Brazos pretty well explained it all, very well put!
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well , this is america . we're free to buy a real german 34 for $300ish and put another $80 into a vortex kit to make it shoot to it's potential .... or get a $50 refurbished chinese made 34 "clone" and invest another $50 and some redneck engineering to get it up to snuff . neither option is right or wrong for everybody ............
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For $50 I'm thrilled with what I received. If I had $300 to drop on a 34, I wouldn't have bought the air hawk!
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Well, it's people like you, nolimit (and me!), that are the problem. If we would only stop buying and enjoying the *(&^ out of inexpensive air rifles, then maybe the distributors would finally stop offering sub $200 airguns, and we could have only finely crafted German-made 12 lb precision shooters with walnut stocks. :)
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Well I to bit on this deal..... Twice. I believe the refurbs are pot luck. Some are better than others for sure. We all know going in your not going to get superior craftsmanship from a quick 50 buck rifle. Knowing that you can get a good serviceable rifle with this deal. The first one I received from Mid Way looked like it been road hard. Stock came with had a bunch of scratches and the gun was already well broke in. I jumped on this deal for the stock. I also have the BHE (that I love) and wanted a nice wooden stock to fit it. Mix and match if you will. The road dawg Air Hawk shoots well, but I like the Elite a little better. After a couple of calls to Mid Way they agreed to sell me another at the cheaper price with free shipping. So I pulled the trigger on another Air Hawk. This one is like what other's have claimed. Like new condition! That being said ... I'm happy with the deals I got. I know they can be better with a tune and will do one day. Right now I shoot the Elite and have the others in storage in the basement. Morel of the story. You get what you pay for.... If your expecting German quality for $50 buck.... Keep dreaming ::) But if your looking for a shooter to plink and pest with. There a heck of a deal JMO Peace!
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And everything you yourself have ever produced has never, ever had an error, or anything wrong with it.
Have you ever worked in management & production and needed to meet deadlines on time & be cost effective all at the same time?
Actually not very many at all, I'd say in over 22 yrs, maybe a a dozen tops, with one MAJOR FUBAR. I was well trained by some of the best in the entertainment industry.
Look up BOB SEE of SEE FACTOR INDUSTRY if you doubt my veracity. He was the Aaron Bank of the stage lighting world.
Also yes I have done quite a bit of management and production with cost effectiveness, It's called personal oversight and taking pride in your work. I've always lived by this axiom "you're only as good as your last gig" and I'm darn GOOD.
Seems like you read the surface of my posts while ignoring the important underlying theme. You can read what you want and address what you think I'm saying, makes no never mind to me.
Opinions are like rectums, everyone's got one (including me).
My statements all focus on particular aspects that are conveniently ignored.
P.S. as I said earlier I ordered a Ruger Impact myself, some parts of the wood stock were improperly stained/finished, also scuffs n dents and the forward end of the breach block is slightly damaged.
But no ones whining here.
P.P.S as it stands I'm well satisfied with my low end "inferior" chinese rifles haha
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And everything you yourself have ever produced has never, ever had an error, or anything wrong with it.
Have you ever worked in management & production and needed to meet deadlines on time & be cost effective all at the same time?
Actually not very many at all, I'd say in over 22 yrs, maybe a a dozen tops, with one MAJOR FUBAR. I was well trained by some of the best in the entertainment industry.
Look up BOB SEE of SEE FACTOR INDUSTRY if you doubt my veracity. He was the Aaron Bank of the stage lighting world.
Also yes I have done quite a bit of management and production with cost effectiveness, It's called personal oversight and taking pride in your work. I've always lived by this axiom "you're only as good as your last gig" and I'm darn GOOD.
Seems like you read the surface of my posts while ignoring the important underlying theme. You can read what you want and address what you think I'm saying, makes no never mind to me.
Opinions are like rectums, everyone's got one (including me).
My statements all focus on particular aspects that are conveniently ignored.
P.S. as I said earlier I ordered a Ruger Impact myself, some parts of the wood stock were improperly stained/finished, also scuffs n dents and the forward end of the breach block is slightly damaged.
But no ones whining here.
P.P.S as it stands I'm well satisfied with my low end "inferior" chinese rifles haha
Well before we start an all out war as to who has or deserves the most pride, I also pretty proud of my self, spent my time in the Military at the Pentagon, with the remnants of the Manhattan Project during the 60's. Later in life I was director of purchasing for the largest RV Co. in the Nation. Then ran my own successful business for 20 years till retirement at the age of 58.
I do not limit myself to "cheap", "inexpensive", whatever you wish to call it as I'm also the owner of a number of the expensive Beeman rifles.
If you are satisfied with low end "inferior" (your words) Chinese rifles, have at it. I'm not, but I do see a possible value when I see it.
Am I as good as my last gig? Well I retired very comfortably 7 years early and very comfortably at that. Own my own house (paid for) BTW. Have not had a vehicle payment since 1972 when I bought my 1st Corvette, only made 1 payment even then, paid it off during the first month of ownership.
FUBAR's, I always knew it was easier to direct others as to what to do and doing such I got no blame for such.
Management is a wonderful thing, especially if you're high enough up the ladder.
22 years? You've only just begun.
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Well, it's people like you, nolimit (and me!), that are the problem. If we would only stop buying and enjoying the *(&^ out of inexpensive air rifles, then maybe the distributors would finally stop offering sub $200 airguns, and we could have only finely crafted German-made 12 lb precision shooters with walnut stocks. :)
Point out the German air rifle weighing 12 lbs, I can't find one weighing 10 lbs, no matter the type of wood the stock is made of.
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12 FPE
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Seems someone's got a bug up their arse for this particular young whipper snapper haha, since it's my posts you keep trying to snipe at. It's AOK tho, I've been taught to "respect" the elderly. It seems like I've given you renewed purpose in your waning years.
Kudos sir, Kudos...
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"since it's my post" I thought this was temchicks post that is being highjacked by disrespectful nonsense. This post needs to be respectfully put to rest.
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"since it's my post" I thought this was temchicks post that is being highjacked by disrespectful nonsense. This post needs to be respectfully put to rest.
Sounds like a well intentioned plan!
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chest thumping aside ..................
these 34 "clones" are awesome project guns to some and just fine as they are to others .......... and of course some don't care for them .
but hey .................... even jesus christ couldn't make everybody happy , so what chance does a airgun have ? hehehe