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This is pretty much as I posted on the Yellow, but I didn't put the rifle into the title. Plus, I figured that not everyone reads that site, either.
The gaudy warnings on the rear of the receiver are thankfully kept small and unobtrusive, with the breech markings tasteful. Thankfully, the front sight post is squared! This gives a fine patridge sight-picture when the shading doesn't activate the fibers. Like that night, in my long side hallway, a perfect measured 10m, LOL. This a/m, I sampled those sights, and they are every bit as bright and crisp as with the current Diana line.
A magnet confirmed the front sight assy and rear are alloy of some sort, and NOT plastic. However, the W/E wheels are steel, also. The plastic safety lever is a dream to use, with smooth forward to fire motion, and resettable, too. The end-cap is alloy of some sort, also. That OEM rubber butt-pad is NOT slipping off of your shoulder! I've had less tread on a pair of hiking boots, LOL. Fit to the wood is not HW-quality...but it's not heinous, either.
Breech requires a nice whack to open, akin to the R9, but it closes with a much more gentle snick-into-place than the HW, or Diana. Cocking is akin to the R9, w/less effort than a D34. No crunch-n-ticker noise of any kind through the arc. It has a little more of a forend window than the HW, but certainly not as much as the Diana.
Pressed checkering was well-executed, like the HW.
There was NO twang in the shot cycle, and but a hint of recoil. Very, very close to the feel of the LGV that I have from memory. Smelled the dieseling, and saw the wisps of muzzle smoke, also. The trigger feels like a single-stage, with a long light take-up, and some notable creep before relase. Reminds me of an M1A/M14 trigger in its 2nd-stage feel. I am not a trigger-snob, and while not a T06, nor Rekord, it's darn sure not a stock Chinese/Russian one, either. BTW, both the guard and blade are plastic, though you have to scrutinize it to be sure.
I did a quick penetration comparo into a phone book with the R9 and D34. JSB Exact Diablos at 14.35gr, with 3-shots per rifle. The page-count for each rifle was within a few pages of one another. The results:
Terrus at 310pgs, R9 at 390pgs, and the 34 at 410pgs. As I said, the Terrus was dieseling a bit, also. That's about all I could muster before BED!
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Before my groups yesterday, I decided to check the screws. Sure enough, the 3mm forend, and 4mm trigger guards all needed some tightening. Then, I decided to try the trigger adjustment screw. Looking at the manual, it's to adjust your 1st stage take-up. As you turn the screw, the trigger cams backward or forward as desired. I max'd it, which has it in a position much further back than you see in the photos. Now, my reach is perfect.
Afterward, I took it outside to my 15m distance. I was able to start touching 3 or 4 of 5 fairly quickly. After about 60-80 shots now, the dieseling has ebbed. The front sight base had come loose and was moving forward as I cocked it. The good thing is, it can only go so far, then it butts against the wonderful, knurled muzzle thread cap. I removed the sight w/2mm allen and set it aside, the extra leverage with my hand there in cocking makes it even sweeter. I did try to remove the rear sight, but it's apparent both screws are lock-tighted in place. It is an extremely well-built unit! I decided not to bring on the heat and mess with it. The blade doesn't hang over the chamber in any way, like the Diana or HW, so it doesn't get in the way. I don't see any interference through the objective, either.
If you've been on-the-fence about one, I hope this gives you an extra bit of motivation to take the risk. Dawn is breaking, so time for me to shoot!
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No twang Kenny????
WOW!!
Sounds like you're falling in love bro!
Sorry if I missed it, but are you gonna scope her??
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Good review. Been hearing good things about the Terrus. Congrats!
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Thanks hoffy. I wondered why AoA didn't yet carry these, and I just saw they must've put it up on their site today, LOL.
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Cool.. What's that button, or screw looking thing on the either side or the forearm, under the sight?
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Cool.. What's that button, or screw looking thing on the either side or the forearm, under the sight?
Looks to be the pivot bolt. Nice rifle. Would like to hear more as you do more shooting.
Scotty
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Looks to be the pivot bolt. Nice rifle. Would like to hear more as you do more shooting.
Scotty
Correct. AoA just posted about it, also...
http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/ (http://www.airgunsofarizona.com/blog/)
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good review was just wandering how hold sensitive it is?
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I was looking to get a lower power springer at some point. I have a diana 350 magnum but the thing is so long, heavy, and the weight is front biased. Not to mention a violent shot cycle! I'd like something like a RWS34 but lighter weight and easier to cock and overall more mellow.
Is the terrus easier to cock than the diana 34? How is the weight/balence off-hand compared to the 34? I really dig the metal sights.
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good review was just wandering how hold sensitive it is?
I've only shot two groups so far to check that. I changed from supporting the forend on my closed-fist, to wrapping my hand around it as with a p/b. It 'seemed' to want to bias my group to the right about an inch at 15m, but again... it was only two groups. I'll make note to to futz around with that in the future. Either way, my trigger hand is a loose grip, with thumb forward parallel w/the safety.
! I'd like something like a RWS34 but lighter weight and easier to cock and overall more mellow.
Is the terrus easier to cock than the diana 34? How is the weight/balence off-hand compared to the 34? I really dig the metal sights.
Well m.a.d., this is your day, LOL. I just got my 34 Classic off in the mail to its buyer. Terrus cocking is much easier, and w/o any noise from compression coils, or joints, etc. In fairness to the Diana, however, the Terrus is also lesser-powered. Weight is definitely more rear-biased, and the balance point for one-handed carry (scoped) seems to be right where the back of the forend scallops toward the front of the trigger-guard. Fixed sight-picture is every bit as good as Diana's fiber-sights, but the Walther's front is an alloy metal unit. No plastic shrouding.
The thing that will frustrate you is the trigger. When you're used to HW & Diana's best, it feels like a handicap, LOL. I'm not bold enough to take a look at it yet, to see if there's anything that can be done.
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After you take a look, let us know. Triggers are the biggest obstacle to accurate shooting! Most barrels these days are pretty good. Some triggers are gosh awful. Hope your is not one of them!
Do you like the stock and cheek weld?
Thanks,
-Y
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I sent it down the road due to the trigger. I'm just not in a position to futz with them to that extent. After shouldering and shooting the synthetic one, I am a bit more fond of it than the wood.
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i caught a sale at walmart online and got the synthetic stock one in .177 for $166.
so far trigger hasn't been a issue for me shoots great.
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Thanks for the write up, I've been looking at one of these for awhile now.. You may have swayed me!
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PGS ?
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PGS ?
Pages. The number of phone book pages the pellet penetrated, including the cover.
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PGS ?
a more accurate way of measuring power than the abstract foot/pound per square inch. really, who can imagine what a FPE is? PGS in the other hand that is easy... go grab a phone book and see for your self. I remember when i changed to PGS from BsoC and OosoC system...
PS: BsoC and OosoC system stands for Both sides of Can against Only one side o'Can. The change was done because not all cans are made equal so it was difficult to set it as a standard.LOL
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Brother, we neex some more pictures! Pellet testing and groups!
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Bought my Terrus in the .177 version about a year ago. Since then, it has been a love affair gone bad.
When it arrived, the Terrus was accurate (hole touching hole with RWS Superdome (8.3 grains) at 30 yards. Quiet and a nice looking beech stock. Since then, the twang got so bad that the annoyance was effecting my interest in shooting it and so distracting accuracy accuracy suffered.
Now, it is retired awaiting final disposition (garbage, replace everything but the stock, or something else) as a grease fix only made it loud and dieseling like a camp fire. There is no good fix that I know of (no Vortek kit yet though they said that they are thinking about it). The only thing that keeps it out of the garbage (joining two other guns that made that trip) is its accuracy and the hope that there someday my be a way to renew our love affair without the twang.
Hope this helps as another view of the Terrus for those thinking of purchasing one.
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I have a Terrus .177 Synthetic that I won at the GTA fun shoot (thanks again Airgun Depot!) I haven't had another springer in its class, so I can't really make claims about what it's like or better/worse than, say a D34 or similar.
I have had the opportunity to shoot other springers with the chinese triggers, and the Terrus trigger is much better than those. It isn't a "light" trigger compared to my PCPs, but it does break consistently. And even though it does have a touch of creep, it really isn't enough to diminish the shooting experience overall.
I really like the feel of the synthetic stocks, and I'm not a big fan of synthetic stocks in general. I disagree with Tom Gaylord's summary (blasphemy, I know), I like the swelled, grippy forearm of the rifle.
I shot it over the chrony with CPL 7.9 and AA 10.3gr pellets, and both produced a consistent 13fpe. From a 10m rest the AA will make 5 shots into one large, smooth hole. I had a few 8.4gr FTTs that did just as well. The Walmart variety CPHP didn't do as well until I sorted them and only shot 4.51/4.52, then it matched the AAs. I havent had the opportunity to test accuracy at any further distance.
It had a little twang out of the box, but after a couple hundred rounds it is pretty much gone. Cocking felt a tad gritty when it was new, but I lubed the pivot and now it's also okay. It still has the springer smell when I shoot it.
I like the rifle, and now that I've shot it, I don't mind recommending it. I've shot a few Gamos, Crosmans and Beemans that other guys own, that would be at the same price point. I like the Terrus better than any of those.
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If the "grease fix" got it deiseling like that, i bet the piston seal is frayed up. Probably needs to be cleaned up and deburred, and piston seal replace. At the price point, thats not a big deal. If you cleaned everything up real good with denatured alcohol and put a dab of ARH tar in the right places on reassembly, it will probably be better than new. Just grease, will work itself into the wrong places before you know it
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If the "grease fix" got it deiseling like that, i bet the piston seal is frayed up. Probably needs to be cleaned up and deburred, and piston seal replace. At the price point, thats not a big deal. If you cleaned everything up real good with denatured alcohol and put a dab of ARH tar in the right places on reassembly, it will probably be better than new. Just grease, will work itself into the wrong places before you know it
I have to agree with you. But not being nor, at my age, wanting to be an air gun surgeon, I wonder where it could be sent for the work you suggest and forever eliminate the twang? It was/is so very accurate and has such a nice wood stock that I hesitate to trash it. Any thoughts?
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There are a lot of good tuners out there that will do the work for a reasonable price. I bet Ole Tom Cat would give you a fair price on a proper de bur, seal swap, and lube. But it really isn't that hard to do on your own.
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Thanks for the suggestion. Will give Ole Tom Cat a PM and also think of waiting until the mood strikes to take it apart. The options are appreciated.
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With everything said and researched, I made a decision on what to do with my horribly dieseling (my fault) .177 Walther Terrus. I will be ordering the .22 version with synthetic stock and just replace the stock with my wood on the .177. The synthetic stock and rest of the .177 will go into the garbage unless someone wants it at a nominal price (plus shipping costs). Live and learn (life being a never ending learning curve) not to mess with a very nice and accurate gun myself. Thanks all for your input in this decision making process.
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With everything said and researched, I made a decision on what to do with my horribly dieseling (my fault) .177 Walther Terrus. I will be ordering the .22 version with synthetic stock and just replace the stock with my wood on the .177. The synthetic stock and rest of the .177 will go into the garbage unless someone wants it at a nominal price (plus shipping costs). Live and learn (life being a never ending learning curve) not to mess with a very nice and accurate gun myself. Thanks all for your input in this decision making process.
Well that didn't take long. If anyone gets to wondering if the the synthetic stock from a new Walther Terrus and the remainder of my old .177 Terrus are still available, the answer is no. Got snapped up today.
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I bought a terrus 22 in synthetic stock. I bought it because it was was Walter and for palm swell trigger not in the same league with my 34 it's just ok accuracy is great out to 50 loves the jsb 13.43