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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Spanish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: AirScopes on February 26, 2011, 12:03:17 PM
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Anyone have one of these? Opinions?
I need another break barrel like a hole in the head, but this looks potentially like a good deal...
Richard
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Seem pretty nice, especially for the price. Might search around a bit for reviews. If I could handle the recoil, I would have bought one a while back. Triggers are good and so are the looks. About like a Cometa. Maybe a shade under it. But, for under $150 delivered, who's nit-picking?
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I have one in a .22 and I like it. I never had any other springer to compare it with so as for the recoil I would say it was the same as my .22 LR semi, and I don't have to hold it real loose to be accurate. I did notice that it settled down quite bit since I have put a few tins of pellets through it. When new it was twangy until I put some lube on the spring. I haven't pulled anything apart yet as I haven't made a spring compressor...but I really haven't justified it yet...it shoots great and hard.
I have enough confidence in the rifle that I'm going to use it for turkeys this spring and fall so that should say something.
Cell
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Anyone have one of these? Opinions?
I need another break barrel like a hole in the head, but this looks potentially like a good deal...
Richard
Theres one here for sale. Check Classifieds @:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,9329.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,9329.0.html)
JC
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I agree with cell. My only springer was an older Norinco TS45, which BTW I REALLY like. I got the fever for a .22 and after looking around for something under $200 I decided on the Norica SC. I am not an aficionado like some of the folks here, but I am very pleased. I bought the 10-for-$10 from PA and they measured muzzle velocity at an average of 750-760fps with lead, but I can't remember which pellet specifically. Norica included a tin of 250 Norica domed pellets. Because of the weather, I have had little time outside with it, but so far, so good.
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cell! How did you lube the spring w/o removing it?
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Good luck getting one of those appart...:) And if you do even more luck putting one back together..:) They do have beautiful stocks but a nightmare to work on.
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Paul is good to deal with.
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Karl, if what Gene says is true (and he has a LOT of experience with AG's), then you need to do a search on "Slot Tune". That's how you can get some spring tar in there without disassembly.
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Thanks, RedFeather!
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cell! How did you lube the spring w/o removing it?
I just put a bit of lube on the spring that's exposed...not a true lube by definition I guess but it has quieted it down. I ordered a chronograph so Ill be able to get some numbers here soon. Maybe one thing to check is your crown. I took off the muzzle brake and my crown was not up to par...easy fix with a brass screw. I also noticed that I can hear the pellets "whistle" down range now. I have no idea if its because its breaking in and starting to shoot a bit faster or if the colder weather has effected the pellet in flight? When I get the bug I'll fab up a compressor and tear into it...measure the spring and such to get spare parts if I can find em.
Good luck getting one of those apart...Smiley And if you do even more luck putting one back together..Smiley They do have beautiful stocks but a nightmare to work on.
Shouldn't be to much of a hassle. I understand the TF89 is a clone and people don't have any problems breaking there's down. Of course I will need to fab up a adapter to reach past the trigger assembly...easy to do. Gene, do you tune Spanish air rifles?
Thanks,
Cell
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It requires a special tool to remove the spring, the tool takes the spring pressure off the trigger group so it can be removed and then back out the spring and guide. If you don't have any experience working with these guns you better listen to Gene! or you could put an eye out or worse!
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Karl, if what Gene says is true (and he has a LOT of experience with AG's), then you need to do a search on "Slot Tune". That's how you can get some spring tar in there without disassembly.
Appologies........... I was thinking of the Hämmerli Nova Underlever. You are right the Storm Classic is another AR-1000 clone with a very sweet stock. That is a good price for it as well..
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Gene, there's a theory going around that air gun lubes are intoxicating in great quantities. That must be the reason for the mixup. ;D
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LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats good I like that.
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So wait a minute... Do I want one of these or not?
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That's like me asking if I want one of your scopes...of course you do.lol.
By the way Ill be putting in a order to you soon ;)
Cell
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doc, I've hear good and some bad things about this rifle but more good than bad. I know a guy who has 3 of these and he owns alot of hi end guns and he says IHOP that they are a pretty nice little rifle, its basicly a TF89 gun made in Spain, nicer buling fit an finish {etc} don't forget the rifle was 259$ and now its 150 something, they do have a very adjustable trigger and nice wood and shoot in the hi 6's mid 7's in some of them I don't think you could go wrong with it, guys here seem to like the ones they have, I personally have no experience with this rifle but like you I may buy one myself my friend has 2 new ones in the box a my sell me one reasonable.
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Hello,
MAKE SOMETHING CLEAR FOR U.S. GUYS.
THE NORICA STORM IS NOT A CLONE OF CHINESE TF89 (ar1000)
It's the other way, Norica is the original and the internal parts are much better, there is no doubt about that.
;)
Luc,
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Yes I'm awhere of that I should have made myself clearer on this, you are right they are made much better than the Chinese clone I was just using the TF as a comparison due to alot of people on this forum have them and they are talked about alot here and the Spanish guns are alot nicer gun.
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So wait a minute... Do I want one of these or not?
Look at the stock Richard. It is sweet but still same as TF-89 and lots of Beeman Ar-1000 clones. For the price and being new it is a deal.
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I haven't pulled anything apart yet as I haven't made a spring compressor...but I really haven't justified it yet...it shoots great and hard.
Well I ate my words today ;D I had a little to much time on my hands and made what I needed and tore her apart. Everything looks good to my amateur eye. The spring ends are flat but needs a little tlc. The only thing I didn't like about the quality was that the spring guide is a hollow plastic tube. Is this the norm? I'm going to put a dowel in the center to keep it stiff and straight. It is also a bit undersized which might explain the twang before I lubed the spring.I measured and weighed every single thing that is replaceable for future reference and also took pictures...lots of pictures.
You guys/gals that have lathes at the house and shop are lucky indeed...I envy you.
I'll find the appropriate place to post a tear down on the Norica in a few days...got to find a site to host my pics first.
Cell
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Go with Photobucket. I find it easy to use and lots of storage.
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Yes please do that I'd like to see the insides of this puppy! and make sure you give us the spring info so we can compare it to the TF spring, the wire Dia, and OAL {etc} thanks.
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Will do Mark. Ill have to remeasure everything...just realized I didn't have my calipers set to metric :P
Ill take back what I said about the spring guide od. Its actually a few thousands smaller that the springs id.It just looked smaller to my eye.
I'll start a new post as I have hijacked Airscope's thread.So look for the upcoming information in the Spanish gate.
Thanks,
Cell
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Thanks cell.
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BTW -- completed the deal for the Norica which was the reason for starting the thread. I hope it lands here some time this week!
Cell, no worries about 'hijacking' a thread. A discussion is a good discussion ;-)
Richard
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Did you get a chance to shoot her yet? My chrono came in and I got the chance to use it. My storm comes in at 730fps with 14.3 crosman fields.
Cell
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Cell, yours is right about 17 foot pounds. I was waiting for my chrony to come back from repair in Canada. Maybe I'll get both of them out tomorrow. But yah, the gun arrived and it's about as nice as it can be, I think. Feels good. Need to update my sig, as this one is staying.
Richard