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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: DWSmith on June 21, 2015, 08:29:07 AM
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HW97K, 9.2 lbs.
TX200 MK III, 9.3 lbs.
Diana RWS 54 Air King, 9.9 lbs
R9, 7.3 lbs.
Benjamin 392, 5.5 lbs
See where I'm going with this?
I wasn't too concerned about weight in my first post but I'm new at this and didn't realize some of these guns are absolute beasts. And then there's the additional weight of a scope and mounting hardware.
What do you carry when walking around in the woods and fields hunting rabbits and squirrels?
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I like the Diana 48 for hunting. Same power as the 54, (it's the same rifle), but is over a pound lighter, without the sliding sled scope mount. The sliding sled 54 is good for bench shooting. It's popular with target bench guys. But, since you will be walking about and shooting upwards and down, at steeper angles, you can have problems with it not working correctly. This leads to scope damage.
My 48 with a 3-9x Leapers UTG scope and UTG droop compensator mount (edit: & 4 screw UTG rings),,, comes in at just the 10# mark. The real beauty of the model 48 is how well it balances in hand. It's like a carbine ;)
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I'm not the best free standing shooter so for hunting I will carry my Sheridan .20. I can rest it on a branch or against a tree for longer shots without effecting poi.
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Don't hurt yourself when you laugh at what I'm writing but on paper the Benjamin 392 with a peak of 685 fps and 5.5 pounds seems ideal for what I want to do. Throw a scope and mounting hardware on it and it's still a nice weight for carrying.
Consistency of where it throws a pellet is the main thing that concerns me. Reliability also concerns me. Then there's the idea of pumping it up to 8 times for each shot.
The Diana 48 looks pretty good at 900 fps but you have to add on 3 pounds. Can't have everything: pluses and minuses.
It's hard to come up with a decision but it's a lot of fun thinking/learning about air rifles. ;D
I've seen where some members of these forums work on Benjamin 392 and other guns to 'tune' them. When they're finished with them are they more reliable and accurate? I don't want to try to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear but the 392 seems to have quite a bit of potential for what I want.
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With the true Magnum shooters, you'll find that the added weight is your friend. Light weight and Magnum Springs, is more times than not...a tough combination to be deadly accurate with. To me, a rifle that produces 18FPE or more, is a "Magnum".
I still hunt Squirrel and Rabbits quite successfully with a 12FPE rifle in .177. This rifle is deadly accurate and headshots are not a problem. I got rid of a few rifles, and still keep just (2)... a 12FPE and 18FPE rifle. Both are very accurate, fixed barrel rifles...both in .177. I have NEVER been "undergunned" for small game up to coons.
Understanding your hunting distance and field conditions, is IMO, paramount to rifle selection and your success.
It's unrealistic to expect a 12FPE rifle to perform at 50yds or more, with consistency.
By the same token... there is no power requirement, for a "Magnum" rifle, for taking rabbits and squirrels at 15-20yds.
I "Personally" have established that I am most ethically comfortable using the 35 yard mark as my limit. If you are in the woods or fields, you'll find that that's a good basic distance. At 30yds, I find that rabbits won't "spook", ...and in the woods you can get a pretty clear shot. Plus...if you can't hit dime groups at 25yds CONSISTANTLY...why shoot any farther out? That is unethical and irresponsible. It takes some practice out there. You will enjoy it ;)
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My choice would be in this order........
R-9, followed by 54 and finally the HW
Jeff
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Bullit,
Yeah, I still remember sighting in my Marlin 881 bolt action .22lr at 50 yds with a scope. Off the bench I could keep nearly all of the lead in a spot the size of my thumbnail. Went to the woods and found out I should have sighted in around 25 to 30 yds or should have had a mil dot scope and a LOT more practice.
Squirrels and rabbits are typically a lot closer than one realizes.
Jeff,
Yup, something about that R9 that seems very attractive. Seems to have a very loyal following.
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I don't think you can go wrong with any of your choices, but I (and countless others) can answer for capability of the 392. Plenty of power for rabbit and squirrel provided you can make the shot. My suggestion would be to pick one up, make sure it's a good shooter(if not, return until you get one that is) and save your pennies for a really nice gun in the meantime. The 392 can and will take squirrels with headshot accuracy and pass through power within 30 yards with just a peep sight...the squirrels around here will attest to that.
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The Beeman R9 is popular as a choice as a breakbarrel rifle. At 12-14FPE muzzle energy...It isn't Magnum class, for sure... but combined with sufficient weight makes it popular as a pleasant shooting breakbarrel. You have 2 Fixed Barrel selections in your personal list of spring rifles...that are in the same powerclass, as the R9. I think you have plenty of power in this powerclass (12-14FPE), for short range (sub 50yd) hunting of small game. I would scratch the model 54 for this type of shooting. I have an old article that you may find interesting about FPE and hunting. Written by Dr. Beeman....before today's Magnum Spring Powerplants were even around.
Very good reading for the question "How much power does it Take"? question:
http://www.beemans.net/field%20use.htm (http://www.beemans.net/field%20use.htm)
FWIW: I limit myself to the yardage that I still have at least 7FPE of energy on target. With my 12FPE rifle (old Gamo CFX...but the new Gamo ACCU 177 is the newest offering) This rifle is still kills easy at 40-50 yards in 177 !!!! Depends on the wind and clearing to make the shot. And if I am comfy to take the shot... The rifle&pellet will ...
But again...my accuracy and comfort for ethical hunting in the field, does limit me to around the 35 yard mark. I have taken some rabbits at around 50yds (spooked and wary),...but truly, that is very rare to get that shot available. Jackrabbits aren't very prevaient in the North USA. Squirrel shooting is very rarely a long distance game... I HTH ;)
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If you would be interested to see the 12-14fpe rifle that I use today, in it''s newest model..here is a link. The price will surprise you. Backweighting and filling the stock is very cheap and makes a big difference. Great for custom balanced fitting. I have posted on this many times...as have others...it is tooo easy and cheap to figure out. The SAT trigger is a big improvement...but adding a &35.00 GRT Gold trigger makes this rifle tournament worthy. The CFX has much respect for accuracy. Ask any elders... Hey... they are still offered and evolved after 10yrs... The CFX started in 2005.
The "ACCU", is the latest model of this "CF" series. They have always been good quality and accurate. One of few air rifles today that still offer good ironsites. Great for the Hunter, if your scope dies out on you.
http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-accu177-combo.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/gamo-accu177-combo.html)
EDIT: If you like a sexier and more adjustable stock....Check out the Gamo "CFR"... Same rifle...different dress.
Check out the total weight of this rifle. You will see why I like it to carry...as it doesn't require a heavy scope. These rifles are very docile shooters. I have had a neat little liteweight "Hammers Compact" 3-9x Mildot, on mine for 10 years. I have posted on this many times... This is a good Compact scope for docile shooters.
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I would look into this little baby
BSA GRT Lightning XL SE
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-grt-lightning-xl-se-air-rifle?m=3216 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-grt-lightning-xl-se-air-rifle?m=3216)
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I've had no complaint carrying a scoped Diana 34 through the woods.
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For years I carried barrel cocking FWB124s, HW35s, R10s, R9s and R1s (12 to 21 fpe .177 and .22) around in the field. Nowadays you're more likely to find me with a vintage Sheridan .20 pumper at about 13 fpe max. It is more compact, much lighter and more versatile. There is no good reason to pump 8 times for every shot unless every shot is 40+ yards and your quarry is the biggest thing you would ever try to shoot with a 'generic' airgun. At 4-5 pumps it will kill birds, snakes, rats, rabbits, squirrels, etc. at ~25yards all day long. At a full 8 pumps it can kill a nutria at 50yards! You have to make the shot though. No matter what you carry.
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The clacking of pumping a 392 in the woods has a bad habit of scaring game away.
I have an R9, and at it's weight, it's not bad to carry at all. Get a gamo loop sling, and you can put it on your shoulder. Plenty of power to 50 yards, and laser beam accurate.
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I've tried hunting with pumpers and they are easy to carry, but I'm just too poor a shot with iron sites. I tried a peep, but found it ineffective in low light situations, such as aiming at a squirrel in the shadowy branches of a tree. I have never tried scoping a pumper. I've had the best success hunting with scoped springers such as the R9 and Lightning XL and settled on the R9 because it is against regulations to hunt with a sound moderator in my state.
If you are a good shot with irons, though, a pumper would be fine. I admire the folks who do well without the crutch of optics.
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Try a Daisy 880 with silicone filled stock and a piece of felt where the pump lever hits the action to silence it. Easy to scope if you get a pellet pen to insert pellets under scope. I also filled the BB feed hole in the action with a little epoxy, as I never shoot BBs in mine.
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I have a real problem that's getting bigger with each passing day. My list of candidates for a first air rifles is getting longer and longer instead of shorter and shorter. That's why this can become an addiction! ;D
What's the best .22 caliber pumper that I can buy new at a reasonable price?
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Benjamin 392
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That's the one I keep gravitating towards.
Heck, it's just the first of many, right? I'll just get one and start saving up for the second rifle.
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That's the one I keep gravitating towards.
Heck, it's just the first of many, right? I'll just get one and start saving up for the second rifle.
Yes! Good choice! Many happy shooters with that rifle- aftermarket parts available, easy to work on, much info on do it yourself mods if you are into tinkering.
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That's the one I keep gravitating towards.
Heck, it's just the first of many, right? I'll just get one and start saving up for the second rifle.
Yes! Good choice! Many happy shooters with that rifle- aftermarket parts available, easy to work on, much info on do it yourself mods if you are into tinkering.
Will tinkering with cars, tractors, farm implements, ham radios, etc. qualify me for airgun tinkering? ;)
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I feel sort of bad after all the great help that you guys gave me regarding springers. The pumper (392) should be here by Friday.
I dunno. When I wanted a bow and arrow outfit several years ago I got a compound. Had it for about a year. Put sights on it and hit the bullseye a lot. When I was a little kid I always shot a naked fiberglass recurve. The compound bow never felt right. I traded it in on a nice hunting recurve and never looked back. I never put sights on it either. I got a book by Fred Asbell on instinctive shooting and had a blast.
I think the springer vs. pumper is the same type of thing for me. I may as well just get a pumper first. I may stick with pumpers.
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That's the one I keep gravitating towards.
Heck, it's just the first of many, right? I'll just get one and start saving up for the second rifle.
Yes! Good choice! Many happy shooters with that rifle- aftermarket parts available, easy to work on, much info on do it yourself mods if you are into tinkering.
Will tinkering with cars, tractors, farm implements, ham radios, etc. qualify me for airgun tinkering? ;)
Totally qualified.
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Now I've done it! During lunch break I went to Scheels. I've never owned a pellet rifle in my life and now I've bought 2 in about 20 hours.
Picked up a Crosman 2100 for my son and his son to use this summer. Yeah right! It's mine but they can use it all they want. I've seen some good things about the 2100.
Can't have too many air rifles, right? :D
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Dan,
Two weeks ago I went to my buddy's and shot for the afternoon. I'm estimating I sent roughly 125 rounds down range through my Theoben. We were shooting at empty .22 casings and shotgun primers at 32 yards and 50 cent piece spinners at 50+ yards. I could not have done that with a pumper. That type of practice is directly translatable to the field. A few years ago, I spent much more time in the early fall-winter shooting offhand, I estimate roughly 1500 rounds. Deer hunting in the late, late season in southern Iowa, where you can use a rifle, I shot a deer standing, offhand, with open sights, using a Marlin lever action 35 Remington brush gun through the heart and both lungs. The measured distance was 320 yards. I attribute that shot to the countless hours of air rifle shooting in the months before. That type of practice is just something a pumper can't offer you.
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Wow! ... You definitely went to ultralight FPE purchases! Do you know that you have to be very careful of your scoping mounts for the 392? They don't have standard dovetails for scopes. But then with such low power you really will be close and up front, for hunting... Look forward to your stories and photos in the Hunting Gate.
G'Luck to you ;D
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Wow! ... You definitely went to ultralight FPE purchases! Do you know that you have to be very careful of your scoping mounts for the 392? They don't have standard dovetails for scopes. But then with such low power you really will be close and up front, for hunting... Look forward to your stories and photos in the Hunting Threads. G'Luck to you ;D
Yep, I'm aware of the 392 needing the intermount and rail to put a scope on it. I'm going to use a Williams peep sight for a while and then put on a scope ... maybe.
The 2100 is for fun but I may try taking a few rabbits around the garden and berry bushes with it. The 392 will be my main air gun for a while. No hurry. I have firearms to use when needed.
Most of the squirrels and rabbits I've taken have been within 30 yards and probably 25 yards. Back in grade school one of my buddies used to bring fried squirrel in his lunch some days. He had a pellet rifle and used to shoot quite a few in an unused patch of ground behind his house.
I used to be stealthy in the woods a few years ago. I need the practice. These guns will force me to work at close shots. I'm looking forward to it.
If it were easy they wouldn't call it hunting, they'd call it shopping. ;D
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Again. Looking forward to your posts in the Hunting gate of your successes. G'Luck to Ya ;)
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Again. Looking forward to your posts in the Hunting gate of your successes. G'Luck to Ya ;)
Thanks! I hope I have some successes to post.
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Good choice, you'll enjoy the 392 I am sure! Do the standard paint out of the barrel cleaning and lube frequently and it will last a long time!
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Good choice, you'll enjoy the 392 I am sure! Do the standard paint out of the barrel cleaning and lube frequently and it will last a long time!
Thanks!
I have Q-Tips and acetone on standby and a tube of Crosman oil ready too.
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Dan,
Two weeks ago I went to my buddy's and shot for the afternoon. I'm estimating I sent roughly 125 rounds down range through my Theoben. We were shooting at empty .22 casings and shotgun primers at 32 yards and 50 cent piece spinners at 50+ yards. I could not have done that with a pumper. That type of practice is directly translatable to the field. A few years ago, I spent much more time in the early fall-winter shooting offhand, I estimate roughly 1500 rounds. Deer hunting in the late, late season in southern Iowa, where you can use a rifle, I shot a deer standing, offhand, with open sights, using a Marlin lever action 35 Remington brush gun through the heart and both lungs. The measured distance was 320 yards. I attribute that shot to the countless hours of air rifle shooting in the months before. That type of practice is just something a pumper can't offer you.
That's some impressive shooting but I've never been able to get a squirrel or rabbit to hold still like those targets you were shooting. ;)
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DWSMITH,
How far do you expect a 392 or the 2100 to hunt? You have only 8fpe muzzle force (at most outta the box), to work with. Kinda curious about this.
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I'd try a 20 yard shot and maybe 25 (or 30?) yards. Are you saying the 392 won't have 4+ fpe at 20 yards? The R9 only sends a .22 cal pellet 55 fps faster than the 392 according to manufacturers' claims and after taking into account exaggeration and assuming it was proportional it would probably be more like a 50 fps difference or less.
The specifications on the 392 say it's for small game hunting/plinking and there are plenty of guys at GTA who claim to have taken small game (squirrels and rabbits) with it.
At what distance can the R9 take a squirrel or rabbit?
The 2100 is for my son and grandson to use for plinking but I may try to pop a rabbit in the garden from around 10 yards if I hide behind the chicken coop. ;D
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A 392 will have a muzzle energy of ~14 footpounds. I have taken nutria with single headshots at 35 to 50 lasered yards with Vintage Sheridans doing ~13FPE and ~10fpe from a 397!
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A 392 will have a muzzle energy of ~14 footpounds. I have taken nutria with single headshots at 35 to 50 lasered yards with Vintage Sheridans doing ~13FPE and ~10fpe from a 397!
Thanks Terry!
Bullit, I now plan to take longer shots as soon as I put a scope on it. Should be plenty of power for squirrels and rabbits.
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Depends how good the compression is on the rifle you receive...as to the muzzle fpe you get. Use the advertised velocities as a "Best Schenario" guideline. Members will echo this sentiment as well. The factory will ship any mass produced budget rifle, if it's within 70percent of maximum advertised velocity. We all still scratch our heads as to what pellets that they use for their Chrony Tests... They won't tell us... LOL ;)
The 392 has been around for a long time. So naturally it's a successful design. We all know that. To claim high FPE from this (of any pneumatic rifle) is something that only a Chrony test can tell you for your specific rifle. Yeah...the specs are stating high output, but truly it is very subjective. It depends on what pellet you use.
Hey! I hope you get a "gem", outta the box. ;)
I personally am not a big fan of the multi-pumpers because of the time they take cocking and loading. Yes, the R9 (or variants) have plenty of power. Springers are quieter by nature in muzzle report, than pneumatic or Co2 powerplants...within similar powerclasses.
You never address that the 392 has a 5lb Trigger. To me, a big concern. Maybe not so much with you. To me, a trigger that is over 2-3 lbs of pull effort to break it, is a big question for reliable accuracy.
Again... I hope you get a Gem, and you have much success with it. Post your Harvests!
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Everything has pluses and minuses. Pumpers have less recoil while springers have 2 recoils for each shot. Pumpers aren't as finicky about how they're held while shooting as the springers are. One gun costs more and another gun costs less. Sometimes you get what you paid for and sometimes you don't get what you paid for. And on and on and on.
The 392 seems built for hunting while the Beeman, RWS, etc. are made for killing paper very accurately that people have adopted for hunting.
If the same pellet exits 2 different rifle barrels at the same speed it doesn't matter how good the compression is, they'll both have the same fpe. What matters is shot placement.
I'll have fun with my 392 and I'm sure I would have fun with an R9. I almost bought an R9. Perhaps that will be my 3rd air rifle.
Life is good. Cheers!
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Dan,
Two guns. Awesome. They both should give you a lifetime of fun if taken care of. And fun is what it's all about for me. Hopefully both are great shooters. The 392 should be an excellent hunting gun. I think its trigger will be much easier to master and /or improve than the recoil of a springer. If not, get a springer next. I shot three different ones last night "from $50-$350" and had fun with them all.
At least you finally moved forward with something. If there was that one perfect gun we would all save a lot of money. And, I would know what to get next. It seems every time a gun is recommended it is followed by the suggested upgrades. Seems kind of ironic. Why do we recommend and buy high dollar guns that we know should have been built better/different?
Maybe I just need to experiment with the dark side, or a ssp, or co2, or.....
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Tonight when my grandson saw that $60 Crosman 2100 the look on his face and the way he threw up his arms and said, "YES!" was worth much more than I paid for the gun! I got a LOT more than I paid for.
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The vast majority of vintage, and a few newer, Benjamin or Sheridan pumpers (30+) that I've owned and Chrony'd since 2000 have performed up to or very close to spec.
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The vast majority of vintage, and a few newer, Benjamin or Sheridan pumpers (30+) that I've owned and Chrony'd since 2000 have performed up to or very close to spec.
I need to find a decent Sheridan! ;)
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Contrary to what I was being told yesterday that Crosman 2100B is a pretty powerful little gun. It blasts into and out of a steel dog food can with plenty of power to spare at around 10 yards. Should do well on rabbits out to about 30 yards I'm guessing.
Good little gun!
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Sounds good for 10yd tin can power.
If you can consistently hit dime groups at 25yds ...you have a cool little hunter.
Best 2 You !!! ;)
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Dan: The 392 will do most pesting needs and being that is a multipump, it can even double as a small distance plinker. I trust my 392 with a peep to drop pigeons out to 40 yards (yes, 40 yards); but as everything else, there are compromises... (difficult to scope, noisy, sometimes you do need to pump it all the way, sub par trigger). you asked how far can a R9 take a rabbit? well, I have had R9 in .177 and in .20 caliber, and both could do a rabbit way out to 60 yards (they were overscoped guns, and consistent enough to hit ping pong balls 10 out of 10 times at that distance. But there are too many variables to control with that kind of shooting so i tend to get a lot closer before taking a shot on live quarry. i like to keep shots within 40 yards if possible. Now, what makes it a good gun is the fact that with a mild tune it becomes a very consistent shooter, capable of 1/2 inch groups at 35 to 40 yards. And that 2100 you got, that is a very underestimated rifle. It will sling heavy pellets at about 580 fps and they are generally very accurate out to about 25 yards. I remember taking out a raccoon with a ear shot at 18 yards using my 766 (the 2100b daddy) and JSB predator pellets. it would put those into a little cloverleaf about 3/8 of an inch at 20 yards with a small 2-7 scope. a curious thing was that it would only do it at 8 pumps, and pumping it 10 times opened the groups up to about 3/4 inch at 20 yards.... so test your gun for pellet type and number of pumps. it is not how hard it shoots that makes it a good hunter. it is the ability to put a tiny piece of lead in the right spot that makes it a feasible hunting partner.
I have so far moved on from the R9, and sadly lost the 766. But i still have the 392... and a sheridan, and a crosman 147... pumpers are practical but more important to me is the nostalgia they bring, transporting me back to a simpler time.
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Thanks lillysdad621!
Yep, the initially intended use of the 2100B was for plinking or dispatching rabbits in my garden at about 10 yards but tonight my son tried a little experiment with 2 steel dog food cans. The pellet went through 2 layers of the first can, through the first layer of the second can, and left a good dent in the second layer of the second can. Even though I'm a newbie with pellet rifles, I'm impressed.
Since they're accurate out to about 25 yards it should be good for plinking and a bit of hunting now and then.
The 392 arrived today and I only had time to clean and oil it and put 1 pellet through it but it seems to be in good shape. Over the next several days I'll begin breaking it in and then looking for some pellets it likes.
Yeah, I usually don't do things the easiest way. If I did I'd just buy rabbit meat at the grocery store instead of taking the time to hunt. The memories of hunting with my dad and brother and thoroughly enjoying the hunt whether we filled our limits or not was what it was all about.
Some folks want the ability to kill a fly at 100 yards with a head shot. I respect that but for me if I can shoot a rabbit or squirrel in the head at 25 or maybe 30 yards that's good enough for me ... for the present. ;)
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If you look at my avatar, I'm sporting the RWS 460 Magnum in .22 cal. It's a BEAST and I have taken squirrels out to 55 yards. It is heavy but stable and steady. I also like the scoped RWS 34 in .177 also. Within the normal squirrel hunting ranges, it does the job even though not as profoundly as the RWS 460. I also have a couple of Benjamin's that I have not carried squirrel hunting yet.
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even though not as profoundly as the RWS 460.
I bet!!! the 460 is by far the best magnum powered hunter out there, and that is why they seldomly are found in the classifieds. In the other hand you hit the nail straight in the head. I also have now a RWS 34 in .22 and it has drilled crows out to a range found 51 yards. it is very smooth and very accurate even though it is shooting 676 fps with crosman prems in 14.3 gr. If anything i would recommend that or even one of its clones tuned by Mike Mellick at flying dragon. it is truly the only gun you need. For about 240 dollars you can get a B25 tuned and ready that will shoot as good if not better than its original counterparts and or its competition (ie. the R9).
The RWS 460 would allow me to do predator hunting out to 35 yards... raccoon (large), fox, coyote... without the need of scuba gear. it truly is a hammer.
Also remember to put your 392 away with a pump or two in it, and to clean up the overspray from the mouth of the barrel. (acetone and a qtip will do)
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The first thing I did when I received the 392 was the Q-Tip and acetone treatment until the Q-Tips were coming out clean and with a gun inspection light all I could see down the barrel was brass. All those little black flakes and chips of overspray are gone. Then I oiled the hinge points. It's ready.
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I put a Williams peep sight on the 392 yesterday and shot a few times at a cardboard box with a black dot on it. After 4 shots it was hitting very close to the dot. Now I can extend the distance to the target and zero in the peep sight.
That sight is pretty slick. I've never used one before but I've always wanted to try one. From what I've read and the little bit of shooting with it, I think that's a good sight to match up to the 392 for the usual rabbit and squirrel distances.
Now I'll sight it in for a bit farther than I was shooting yesterday and I'll run more pellets through it to break in the rifle. I should have the rifle broke in and plenty of practice when squirrel and rabbit seasons begin. ;D
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I trust my 392 with a peep to drop pigeons out to 40 yards (yes, 40 yards);
Sounds like some fine shooting to me!
At what distance do most folks seem to zero in their 392 when using a peep sight? I was thinking of zeroing in at 30 yards but thought I should ask others first.
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My stock pumpers are zeroed at 20 yards on 4 pumps. This works out to about 15 yards with 3, 35 yards with 6 and 40+ with 8. These things are more versatile when you use the number of pumps (varying the velocity) to hit stuff at various ranges ... with virtually the same sight picture! I use a 1" clock face sighting scheme with opens (6:00 for slightly shorter than zero, dead on for dead on at zero and 12:00 for slightly longer than zero) at each velocity level/number of pumps. With this method there's plenty of power and accuracy for most traditional airgun quarry whether it is at your feet or way out yonder.
Tim says (my highlights):
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Power is adjustable. Trajectory is inevitable. I would set it up to go three pumps at 10 yards and add more pumps the farther you reach out to stay on target. That is, the most practical use of a MUlti is to pump only as much as you need or "shoot more pump less" as I like to say.
On a stocker 4 pumps is 500 fps (on a Steroid that is 3 pumps). The gun action will flex upward the more pressure is in the system so it will shoot HIGHER with More pumps in it. You need to learn to use that feature to your advantage.Pretty soon you will realize the true advantAGE of a Multi.
Spring gun familiar shooters are always looking for the perfect Number but it is up to the application and distance which is not always the same. It's versatility is it's multiple pump feature so why hogtie the possibilities with a One power setting mentality?
Pump enough to get the job done. Know where it will go if you pump more.
TimmyMac1
Whole thread: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=47431.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=47431.0)
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Thanks Terry and Tim!
That makes a lot of sense.
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the best is that multis are very consistent at any given pump. it becomes a chore to pump more than 5 times, so i learn the trajectory at that velocity. as far as zeroing my guns... i usually do 20 yards with a open sights and about 30-35 on scopes.
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That Williams will change your life. My 54 is wearing it, and I can shoot walnuts out of trees out past 30 yards, unrested. I don't consider myself a good shot, so if you put in the time, you will be a force to be reckoned with.
Try different guns, if possible, to help decide future purchases. For walking around, the Talon and the b25 are my faves. Totally different guns, I know, but they're light, accurate, and fun. I know good hunters can use the featherweight R7/HW30 to lay out the lead, and I'm thinking of going the light route, soon.