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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Scubajeeper on June 14, 2015, 10:38:49 AM
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Anybody have one? What's your impressions?
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Anybody have one? What's your impressions?
I have one in .25. I think it will be a total hit. Very consistent and packs a mean punch for 26.5 in bullpup. Let's not forget the cz barrel gives it tack driving accuracy , so far 30 yrds is a joke and boring.
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I just got mine in .22 two days ago. This thing is awesome I love it! Shoots so good I was shooting 70 yards easily at half inch. It was just b4 dark it was hard to see through my scope but let me tell you this thing can shoot!! Couldn't be happier I originally had the wildcat on order but canceled and switched to the Vulcan. I'm very happy with this gun. Just this morning I shot a black bird 90 yards rested off my truck
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That gun has been getting very good reviews...
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I have one in .22. It's awesome. So far I've used it in a 60m bench rest comp and two field target matches. I got first, third, third. A solid 55 shots or more per fill, light, short, very accurate, powerful and no problems in about 2000 shots. Bar in mind that pups are harder to shoot than regular rifles at first. Any little movement during the shot cycle gets magnified because it's so short and light. Overall though, i highly recommend it. I can't wait to take it hunting.
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How loud is the .22, .25?
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This is the first bulpup I have been excited over. I will probably end up with one in .25.
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Hard to go wrong with Eastern European guns.
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If I remember correctly, someone was posting shots out past 100 yards with the Vulcan. But I thought things guns were being held up because of US sanctions against Russia?
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If I remember correctly, someone was posting shots out past 100 yards with the Vulcan. But I thought things guns were being held up because of US sanctions against Russia?
I believe they are made in the Czech Republic.
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How loud is the .22, .25?
I'm also curious. I read the .25 is not backyard friendly.
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I have read a number of posts on airgunnation that owners have said the gun has been very quiet. The remarks that stood out were that it in fact is backyard friendly even in suburbs, sound level is comparable with the cricket and one person reported the .22 as mouse fart quiet. I have never heard the Cricket, the Vulcan or a mouse fart so I'm going from what others have posted. Apparently there is a new shroud with the latest batch that is much quieter as well. Either TGAG or Vulcan has also done something to decrease the ping as well. http://www.topgun-airguns.com/Vulcan-25-cal_p_95.html (http://www.topgun-airguns.com/Vulcan-25-cal_p_95.html)
I really like the Vulcan and want one, but my daughter wants a PCP too. That takes a real chunk out of my budget. I fear that I might have to live vicariously through you guys.
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I get 5 mags worth of regulated shots (55 shots) at 890 fps with jsbs 18.1s from a 220 bar fill shooting down to 130 bar. That's about 32 fpe, which is more than enough to kill whatever it is that needs killin. You can fill up to 250 bar but I don't usually have enough pressure in my tank to do so. I've seen shot strings from guys with newer versions of the gun doing 90 shots before it drops off.
Some other pros:
-It is very, very accurate, as to be expected from a gun with a CZ barrel. I've used it for FT and BR with good results.
-The magazines are relatively cheap and easy to use.
-It seems reliable--I've put maybe 3000 pellets through it with no issues whatsoever.
-The bolt is in the correct place, unlike the cricket, bobcat, edgun, pulsar etc
-It's easy to carry and manouver even in tight places and thick brush because it's so short.
-The palm swell on the grip is just fantastic.
-Trigger is pretty solid and surely would be even better if I knew anything about trigger adjustment.
-The safety is perfectly located and can be flicked on and off very easily.
-You can change mags without putting the gun down. Just lock the bolt back, pop out the empty one, pop in the new one and cock it. No fiddling like on the cricket.
-The cocked indicator comes in handy if you don't remember whether or not a pellet is in the chamber.
-It's quiet enough for me. I have the original version with the first generation shroud. The newer shrouds are supposedly 25% quieter.
-Comes with a hard case, two magazines, a fill probe and hose.
Some negatives:
-The fit and finish is pretty good, but not outstanding. Mine came with a minor blemish on the bottom of the grip. The stock doesn't fit perfectly to the action so there's slight hollow sound if you rap on the back part.
-Aesthetically I think it looks kinda cool, but not amazing. In my opinion the wildcat, edgun and colibri all look slightly cooler. The vulcan definitely wins the beauty contest against the cricket, bobcat, and taipan mutant by a mile a though.
-The butt plate is small, flat and not adjustable at all. This is definitely my least favorite part of the gun. A slightly larger, curved butt pad would help you lock the gun into your shoulder much better. If it were vertically adjustable that would be the best. The Kalibrgun Colibri has one.
-The bolt isn't always completely smooth. It takes some getting used to. Whenever I let people try it they always have a tough time with it.
I originally got it for hunting/pesting for which it is perfectly suited given it's combination of accuracy, compactness, power and shot count. In fact I bought it after going on a cormorant population control outing earlier this year. Lots and lots and lots of pretty tough birds that need to get shot at ranges between 20 and 60 yards in a wooded environment. I took down 45 with my hw97kt in .177 last time. I expect to get at least 200+ when go with my vulcan next week.
I didn't expect it to perform so well as a target gun, but I have been pleasantly surprised. I won a 60m benchrest competition and consistently place in the top 3 or 4 using it for FT at my local club.
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Mine is back yard friendly in .25 and Not really a bullpup fan I find myself really liking this little guy. It is SMALL and really easy to pack around, shoots well and the trigger is the best Ive felt on a production bullpup. Things I do not like are bolt is very notchy like shifting and old double clutch Ford , The safety is hard to tell if its on or off and visually hard to tell either, The stock is so so but not a deal breaker. BUT overall I would say its a winner and I would buy again. It shoots well but Im no where near 1/2 groups at 70 yards even off gun vise still very consistent and well mannered. LDC works well but gun has a bad ping. Cronys at 885 with JSB kings very consistent as would be expected from a regulated gun. Fit and finish is very good to excellent. All this being said this is just one gun out of many and others may have varying results.
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I'll tell you what. I'll do a review with pictures, targets, etc., and anyone in the LA/OC area can watch, in fact, participate! I have a few .22 and .25 Vulcans. I'll put a scope on one of them, and whoever is local can test it. If it fails, well, it fails. If it's stellar, so be it. So far, the new on accuracy is good.
I've only held them and fired without a scope to test the trigger, hear the reports, etc., so I can't personally speak for its accuracy at this moment. But as for functionality, I love it. The trigger is awesome, the report is quiet, the forward cocking is what I need, etc. The stock on them is quite nice too. The wood is nowhere near as nice as some of the advertising pictures, but it is very nice wood indeed. (LOL, not as bad as the hamburger advertisements that make a burger look huge and juicy). Overall, I'd give it high marks (but accuracy is the final determining factor).
On a relative scale, the wood is MUCH nicer than the Mutant, but the report on the Mutant is SCARY QUIET! I was comparing a .22 Mutant to a .25 Vulcan. While I am writing this is dawns on me I should ,more fair and also shoot a .22 Vulcan to compare to a .22 Mutant. OK, I'll do that too.
I do have one customer that prchased a Vulcan from me and said his accuracy is stellar (if you are lurking, chime in). He raves about the gun. He liked it so much, he was kind enough to build a really cool back-stop for me for the shop, without me even asking. Just did it out of the kindess ofhis heart. Brought it to my store as a surprise with targets, etc.! What a cool guy.
I've got a few dozen scope rings coming in next week. I will throw a scope on one ASAP, and let you know as soon as I can as concerns the accuracy. If you are intested in test firing it, call me to set up an appointment. Like I said, one guy (of one sold) is reporting stellar accuracy.
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How loud is the .22, .25?
I'm also curious. I read the .25 is not backyard friendly.
Just an FYI, see my post above. I think it is quite friendly. Not mouse-fart, but quite close to it. As in "it is quiet". (IMHO)
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The new Carbine coming out looks pretty darn cool, ...someone should post pictures of it.
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Looks real good! I hope they will sell me a carbine stock for my bull.
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I was told by WildWest that the Vulcan was noticeably louder than the Cricket which is one of the reasons why I didn't buy one. I haven't heard it myself to confirm.
The main reason I didn't buy a Vulcan is that they only come with wood stocks. I like wood on a traditional PCP rifle. I think it looks odd on a modern bullpup design but to each his own. I like the black on black of the cricket synthetic and the Wildcat.
As a general point, I don't think any of the 45fpe+ .25 cal PCP gun's are super quiet. 22 caliber versions are noticeably quieter. That being said, I think the pitch of the noise is more important for being backyard friendly. Your neighbors are going to hear a shot from any 25 cal if they are in their garden. The question is if they will think you are using a power tool or if they think they heard a gun shot and call the police. The Cricket .25 sounds similar to a nail gun. So far, nobody has complained all callled the police.
There is little point using the accuracy of someone else's Vulcan or Cricket to decide as no two air guns perform identically. I've had two .25 Crickets and my second one is quieter and more accurate. Until air guns are manufactured with greater consistency, all you can do is hope for the best when you order.
I think you'll have fun with any of the high-end bullpups. They all have fans so just get the one you like the look of best. They are all accurate.
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The new Carbine coming out looks pretty darn cool, ...someone should post pictures of it.
where did you see that info?
http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-vulcan-rifle/ (http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-vulcan-rifle/)
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http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-vulcan-rifle/ (http://www.airgunnation.com/topic/new-vulcan-rifle/)
hmm...nice...for folks who have had experience with carbines AND pups, is the carbine much more ergonomically pleasing? or is it just a matter of preference?
Quote from that site: "For me, the platform makes sense. It creates the most compact, “full sized” carbine. Some folks just do not like bullpups. They don’t want their cheek on the block. They don’t want their eye near the breech. Brocock and BSA both made some darn fine “mini rifles”, but the power and shot-count were both noticeably lower than their full-sized counterparts. By implementing a hybrid design, you get all the benefits of the larger air reservoir and long barrel in a gun 4-6 inches shorter. "
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Sad thing is I was working on and almost identical design for the FLEX but being a Vulcan owner I really Like it alot and hope to change my pup over to this style.
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What do you mean, "I was working on"?
Get back to work! (Sarcasm disclaimer: that statement was meant in jest)
All kidding aside a compact Flex would be perfect!
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I am but have to change it a bit so its not just like the vulcan. Ill show some pics tomorrow
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http://i.imgur.com/8VuTMRYh.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/8VuTMRYh.jpg) I was going to cut 4 inches off back of stock In front of shoulder pad then add cheek riser behind scope above stock.
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I don't think it looks like the Vulcan. Yours is bottled and theirs is, what- traditional? Their stock is pretty slick looking though. But I bet they can't do 115 fpe. Sending you a pm with another concept.
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Now when is a bullpup no longer a bullpup? I would almost still call their carbine a bullpup.
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An interesting question, Oldpro. Is it the proximity of the receiver to the trigger and shorter overall length that places the compact carbine in a third category between rifle and bullpup? For me, a bullpup is a compact 'rifle' with the receiver in the butt of the rifle. So the hybrid or compact carbine distinction make sense to me. The drawback of the usual bullpup design is having a bolt or lever action at the end of the butt stock. That is very unappealing to me. The important thing for me however is getting full rifle performance in a compact package that is ergonomic and comfortable to use.
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With super low rings and with that adjustable cheek riser you can comfortably get a scope real close to the barrel and still have a compact rifle,
I like this design type a lot, manufactures should really start looking seriously into this Hybrid style,
IMO it just has advantages over the trendy Pups.
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With super low rings and with that adjustable cheek riser you can comfortably get a scope real close to the barrel and still have a compact rifle,
I like this design type a lot, manufactures should really start looking seriously into this Hybrid style,
IMO it just has advantages over the trendy Pups.
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Mr. Pirate said it better.
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+2 and I'm working on it.
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(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i455/scottyhazzard/6EC81E6F-79F4-4BE5-83DC-B453008A033B.png.jpeg)
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Now when is a bullpup no longer a bullpup? I would almost still call their carbine a bullpup.
It is a bullpup because the action is behind the trigger. It is also a carbine because it has a shorterned barrel. You could argue that it has the disadvantages of both designs.
For people that think they don't like bullpups, I see no reason why this design is better for them. It looks like it would still need a trigger linkage and your face is still close to the breach (although I can't see why that is an issue on airguns where you don't have to worry about spent shells hitting your face).
I happen to like bullpups a lot for their center balance and efficient use of space while retaining the power and accuracy of a full length barrel in a short package. I don't see why I would want to sacrifice barrel length and to increase the overall length just to move the cheek rest a few inches back. You sacrifice far more than you gain with this design imo. Shorter barrels are louder too.
Now, if they made one with dual triggers and a design that can be either a bullpup or extend into a full length rifle depending on the situation and my mood, I would be slightly impressed. I would call that a true hybrid. This is more like a cross-breed and not a good one. That being said, it looks quite cool but bullpups with full length barrels are clearly better.
I would like to know if the carbine retains the center balance of the bullpup. That is what makes bullpups feel lighter to shoot off-hand. Full length PCP rifles of identical weight feel heavy because the weight is at the front which is just silly.
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Zebra I couldnt disagree more. This "mid pup" design could be far better for many reasons if executed a little better. First all bullpups force you too put your face on the breech this is both very uncomfortable and noisy for one, second it forces the scope rail to be well above the barrel this causes many problems with compensating for close range shots with zeros out past 40 yards, third if you have a breech oring failure or anything that may cause premature firing with your face over the breech youll have a nice scar or loss of and eye. Yes you can put a guard over the breech for safety or a pad over the breech to make it comfortable but this again causes you to once again raise the scope rail. I would keep the scope rail low move the cheek riser back like Vulcan did but lower and use a bullpup style stock. Best of all worlds in my opinion. Ow ya Im working on it lol
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I must say I agree with Zebra. If we look at that Vulcan carbine design: the scope is as high as in bullpup, there is a wooden cheekrest but it looks too short to be used for all shooting positions so you need to put your face partially over breech in some cases and while the magazine well is 4" more forward it will still blow stuff to your face in case of o-ring failure. The only advantage of that design seems to be longer shroud.
One disadvantage of metal breech bullpups is that your cheek will freeze to the metal when shooting in cold weather, been there done that and it hurt like *(&^ - well not the freezing part but the removal from breech.
I hope oldpro can come up with something that combines the best from both worlds, to me it seems that Vulcan failed in their attempt.
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rkr that's exactly what I'm saying they had a good idea but dident execute it well. They needed to move trigger forward to give it better control and move scope rail down as close to breech as possible then lower rear cheek riser below breech etc etc. Good idea with the Mid Pup but not well thought out. I do like the look though.
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Frustrating. You guys bring up some real good points. I too, really like how it looks. This morning as I am on a waiting list, I received an e-mail that the gun is in stock to order.
I'm a little bummed out as I have been waiting quite a while for this to come to market.
Another downside of the Vulcan designs that has not been mentioned is that they are not readily adjusted without some disassembly. Not a big thing if you stick to one pellet. But changing the regulator settings requires disassembly, adjusting, reassembly and firing through chrony, rinse and repeat until desired speed achieved. Verses external adjustments.
I know your busy, Oldpro, when you get your version together please keep me in mind or on your list so I can buy it.
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Yea not being able to adjust it for heavier pellets is a real bummer and thats why im going to put mine up for sale in the classifieds. I dont want to have to disassemble it just to shoot 31 grain barracudas. Anyone looking for a Vulcan hit me up or check the classifieds.
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LOL! Of course!
If I could make rifles like the Flex, I would be looking at rifles like the Impact, Vulcan and Cricket, eyeing what they did right, what they did wrong then put everything 'right' into my own better design and dumping everything else.
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First all bullpups force you too put your face on the breech this is both very uncomfortable and noisy for one, Ow ya Im working on it lol
I was wondering about the noise. With your ear on the breech, just what could be done to deaden the noise. It seems to me an efficient use of space to have the breech back there... What about sound deadening materials over the breech and perhaps under a floated cheekweld?
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_658HM11264/HushMat-11264-Kit.html (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_658HM11264/HushMat-11264-Kit.html)
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The answer is dont have your ear on the breech or your face thus the mid pup design.
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:o There ya go. Simple solution.
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First all bullpups force you too put your face on the breech this is both very uncomfortable and noisy for one, Ow ya Im working on it lol
I was wondering about the noise. With your ear on the breech, just what could be done to deaden the noise. It seems to me an efficient use of space to have the breech back there... What about sound deadening materials over the breech and perhaps under a floated cheekweld?
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_658HM11264/HushMat-11264-Kit.html (http://www.crutchfield.com/p_658HM11264/HushMat-11264-Kit.html)
That's the problem with Pups, if you put material on the breech the scope will be even higher.
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http://i.imgur.com/8VuTMRYh.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/8VuTMRYh.jpg) I was going to cut 4 inches off back of stock In front of shoulder pad then add cheek riser behind scope above stock.
Howabout Brocock Compatto style:
(http://airgunbuyer.com/ecommerce/small/Brocock_Air_Rifles300/BROCOCK%20COMPATTO%20550.jpg)
Maybe even move the action back a further inch or two.
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That Brocock looks nice. It reminds me of a Russian gun that's supposedly really loud and not going to be coming to the states anytime soon.
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i455/scottyhazzard/C7689AC0-8566-4A86-AE74-F79CBC33D822.png.jpeg)
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Something short, Flex accurate and spooky quiet.
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Something short, Flex accurate and spooky quiet.
Sounds like that one is in the works :) :)
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That Brocock looks nice. It reminds me of a Russian gun that's supposedly really loud and not going to be coming to the states anytime soon.
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i455/scottyhazzard/C7689AC0-8566-4A86-AE74-F79CBC33D822.png.jpeg)
I like the looks of that gun? Where can I find more info?
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That was short-sighted of me, I'm sorry, I should have included a link in that post. Here it is now- http://ataman-guns.com/product/5 (http://ataman-guns.com/product/5)
The neat looking compact guns start about 4 or 5 rows from the bottom of the page. Not a lot of information out there in English about this brand.
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Supposedly they use Lothar Walther barrels in 7.62, .30 and .35 calibers and can produce 147 foot pounds of energy. Why I post the picture and describe the calibers and how much energy it can produce is that this is in the realm of the Flex and because Oldpro is working his magic on a compact design.
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Supposedly they use Lothar Walther barrels in 7.62, .30 and .35 calibers and can produce 147 foot pounds of energy. Why I post the picture and describe the calibers and how much energy it can produce is that this is in the realm of the Flex and because Oldpro is working his magic on a compact design.
Scotty, did you get your Vulcan Tactic yet? This thread has died off for the last two months.
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Sadly, no. My wife spent my annual bonus on a pair of fancy sofas. I was pretty upset but she bought them for the family while I was looking to just spend the money on a toy for myself. That made me feel worse. I'm still saving up and she won't spend the money this time.
I have decided not to purchase the Vulcan Tactic anyway. The hammer spring cannot be adjusted without removing the stock. I'm sure once tuned to a pellet wight and velocity the rifle will be fantastic as any Vulcan, the ability to adjust easily is important to me. As the latest version of the Vulcan pup is adjustable without disassembly and TGAG can make it even more quiet, this brings it back to the front of the pack.
As I collect overtime I'm watching to see how the Ataman is reviewed, waiting to see if Kalibergun comes through with the rumored Colibrí 2 and if WAR is able to come out with the compact version of the Flex.
Preferences being 1. Flex compact, 2. Colibrí, 3. Either the Vulcan or the Ataman, but for now the Ataman is only in .22. Same as the Colibrí but the Colibrí is going to be semi-auto- if it comes out.
Have you decided if you are going to get the Tactic? It is a very nice looking rifle.
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Scotty: No still torn between the Tactic and the Vulcan, as far as the HST I would just use a dremal to round out the area so the HST was easily reachable (just raise the check piece and there it is). I guess the bottom line is loudness, TGAG told me to shroud makes the Tactic quieter than the Vulcan, but you can add a LDC to both to make them even more quiet but at that point I don't want all that length on the tactic. I think the Tactic will balance better and won't ping (or as much). I just can't freakin decide, and i have the dough and the wife permission. Ataman is too new for me and heard it used to have issue at longer ranges 80-100 yards. Colibri could turn out like waiting to see a white Unicorn (just don't have that kinda of time), Flex looks ok, but if i were going to go that route i would get a Impact looks more polished, just haven't worked out all the kinks out for my liking. The impact was my first choice just heard to many mixed reviews for the price and the wait, the Vulcan seems more proven, more solid choice. Will most likely end up with an Impact MkII one day, but I have to scratch that .25cal itch sooner than later. I guess if there was something substantially different about the two it would make it an easier choice.
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I have a Brocock s6 and its so light and accurate, really and amazing gun.
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Oldpro: You have a lot of guns, which one is your favorite?
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The S6 Contour Elite looks neat as does the Compatto. The contour however only reaches 16fpe in the export model and the Compatto hits a respectable 30fpe and will be offered in .25. Nice price range to boot.
One of the things that makes the Vulcan so attractive is the ability to shoot at 50fpe. For me I think the Vulcan is equivalent to a fail safe- If all the others are questionable in some regard, then the Vulcan is safe IMO as it has proven itself in 4 key components: Accurate, Powerful, Quiet, Compact. To buy something else the other gun would have to distinguish itself above the Vulcan in one of those four categories without sacrificing something or be equal to those four requirements and offer something else. i.e. Very adjustable power levels like the Flex and or ability to change caliber like the Flex.
If the Compatto could be tweaked to shoot at 50fpe or better in .25 and be altered to accommodate a bottle without sacrificing plenum then I would take a serious look at the Compatto. But then after the cost of those modifications it would be better to just go with the Flex.
Oldpro, can you make a compact Flex please? I think that is what the market needs. Or at least that's what I want.
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Scotty, just wanted to share with you that i did order the Vulcan Tactic in .25 yesterday, sadly to report i will not have it in my hands for another 2 weeks because i'm stuck overseas. I must say at this moment i have a little case of buyers remorse. Because as long as i had the money and didn't order anything was possible, and everything looked better. The Impact, the Vulcan, even that Atman. But now that i've commented I've got the Tactic and everything else is in the rear view mirror. I will own an Impact one day (MKII LOL). But for now i'm the proud owner of a Tactic .25 cal with the Peter's 2 system silencing mod, 4 magazines, Magual carrying strap and adapter, SWFA 16x scope and bubble level, sports match ATP66 rings, Butler creek scope caps, Atlas bipod,VISM NcSTAR Tactical 36" caring case, Accu-Shot BT28 AFAR Picatinny Accessory Rail, @$%^ i even order the Omega SC compressor. Never posted a youtube video but may do a review in once i get home and settled in. Pictures will surely follow.
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Scotty, just wanted to share with you that i did order the Vulcan Tactic in .25 yesterday, sadly to report i will not have it in my hands for another 2 weeks because i'm stuck overseas. I must say at this moment i have a little case of buyers remorse. Because as long as i had the money and didn't order anything was possible, and everything looked better. The Impact, the Vulcan, even that Atman. But now that i've commented I've got the Tactic and everything else is in the rear view mirror. I will own an Impact one day (MKII LOL). But for now i'm the proud owner of a Tactic .25 cal with the Peter's 2 system silencing mod, 4 magazines, Magual carrying strap and adapter, SWFA 16x scope and bubble level, sports match ATP66 rings, Butler creek scope caps, Atlas bipod,VISM NcSTAR Tactical 36" caring case, Accu-Shot BT28 AFAR Picatinny Accessory Rail, @$%^ i even order the Omega SC compressor. Never posted a youtube video but may do a review in once i get home and settled in. Pictures will surely follow.
looking forward to see this one, that gun configuration is what I believe is the best compromise.
I think W.A.R. is working on something similar, ...something to really keep your eyes peeled for :) :)
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Ginuwine, that's going to be an awesome set up! I look forward to seeing videos or at least pics and a write up. It's going to be a long two weeks.
Regarding the compressor, have you seen the compressor that Mrodair is putting out? If it is near the price range of the compressor you are getting, you might want to look at changing your order- or I'm a sucker for good advertising. Sending you a PM
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Yeah i looked into the Mrod, and just two many people complaining, then there was something about being shipped with oil and being turned on there sides which caused issues and units had to be replaced. So tried and true, went with Omega. If there is any manufacturing issues AOA will replace it no question asked. Second there close enough to my cousin that if i had any real issues it would be a good chance to go stand on someones desk an make them fix it and see family all in the same day ;D. I'm sure they have there issues two but out of all the post of guys whom had them for over a year with 100 hours or less and no issue i'm good with that. Only needs service after 3500 hours, thats a life time of airgun shooting for me. But will keep you informed.
Sitting here looking at the clock :o
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I should keep my mouth shut. I had no idea about the issues with that pump. I would have felt terrible if I had encouraged you to get a lemon. I hadn't followed their progress since the announcement that they were coming.
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Its all good brother, live and learn. Just like fishing, throw some stuff out there and see what you get.
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Hey Joe it's Tom Allen from Lancaster, Pennsylvania I bought a Vulcan.25 from you back in late February and I can tell you the accuracy IS stellar I love this thing. I appreciate the package you put together for me Used Tiger Shark tank works flawlessly with my Shoebox and you were right this gun loves the JSB.25grain pellets it's deadly accurate out past 100yds. And the 6x24x50 Aeon scope is a perfect match for this little power house!!! Thanks again for your advice you can expect a call from me for future business.
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Hey TKA87, would love to take any praise, but i am not a seller or distributer of anything. I don't sell airguns. Glad you had a positive experience thought.