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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: vernongt on June 03, 2015, 05:05:31 PM
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G'day All,
As you can see, I already own two Hatsan 125s in .22 caliber, and am waiting to see what Hatsan has to offer in a .177 version of the QE releases.
I see the 87QE, 95QE and the 135QE models, but all of them have a Carbine barrel to accommodate the QE System on the front.
Anybody wanna chime in and give me some thoughts, concerning the 9" I'd give up on these models when my 125s have 19.2" barrels?
That's a lot of barrel...
I like the long barrel and also the 'Man-Sized' overall length of the 125.
What say you?
Vernon.
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Well first off, I don't know where you got your numbers, but they're wrong. The 125/135 standard barrel length is around 18". The 125 looks like it would have a longer barrel because the muzzle break extends half an inch to an inch past the barrel. The new QE models have around an 11" barrel length according to Hatsan's website. This leaves you with a difference of 7" not 9".
As for your "Man-Sized" overall length, it has already been discussed on a forum thread that the optimal barrel length for a higher caliber airgun is around 12" and the optimal length for a lower powered airgun is 11-12". Any longer and friction starts to rip away at your energy output. If you want a bigger, more "Man-Sized" airgun, look into the PCP guns.
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G'day All,
As you can see, I already own two Hatsan 125s in .22 caliber, and am waiting to see what Hatsan has to offer in a .177 version of the QE releases.
I see the 87QE, 95QE and the 135QE models, but all of them have a Carbine barrel to accommodate the QE System on the front.
Anybody wanna chime in and give me some thoughts, concerning the 9" I'd give up on these models when my 125s have 19.2" barrels?
That's a lot of barrel...
I like the long barrel and also the 'Man-Sized' overall length of the 125.
What say you?
Vernon.
Are you sure they cut it down?
I hope not but I love the look of what they are for sure!~
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Just looked and the 135QE is 7" shorter >:( But hey if it is accurate so be it! pappywith4
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That's a lot of barrel...
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I'd have to agree. Good catch!
H'mm. I certainly don't like it since I thought that the consensus in barrel length for maximum accuracy was ~16" vs ~12" for maximum power. I'm still going to give it a try but I'll certainly be testing the heck out of it to determine if the accuracy or power have decreased with the ~7" shorter barrel. And I'll promptly return it if it disappoints in either category! Such a shame. Well, as a sort of consolation, the older 135's will probably be discounted at that point so I might be able to pick up one (or two) for cheap.
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I guess the suppresser on the 125 is about 7" so you really wont loose much power if any!
I want a 135 QE for my next one of course in .22 ! They will probably be $50 more than the other but if it is 50% quieter it is worth it! Looking forward to getting one ! Pappywith4
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The suppressor isn't rifled so won't effect power. At least I don't think. Except perhaps negligibly.
Did some additional research on barrel length & it seems that ~10" is all that's necessary for a spring/ram powered air gun. Not the case for PCPs, SSPs or MSPs. So ... the new Hatsan 135QE with 10.6" should do just fine. But ... I'll believe it when I see it. As I wrote earlier, I'm definitely going to test it extensively before being satisfied that neither accuracy or power have been affected. Power less so.
PA makes it pretty easy to compare various air guns barrel lengths'. Two examples are the Air Arms TX200 MkIII & Pro-Sport with 9" & 9.5" barrels, respectively. And both rifles are purportedly tack drivers!
I think break barrel spring/ram air guns are primarily designed with longer barrels for the added leverage. Can you imagine what it'd be like to try to cock a 28+ FPE air gun with only a ~10" barrel! Now that would be one heck of a workout! As it is, folks are giving up on long barreled break barrel magnums due to the excessive cocking effort so a ~10" break barrel wouldn't even get out of the starting gate. At least not without some sort of external lever to compensate & that's what the muzzle brake on the 135QE acts as - an extension.
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For BlackFocal's benefit, :-\ I thought I'd go back to the Hatsan web site and clip the new QE model's info and ALSO clip my 125 info.
Don't get me wrong 'Plinker' but when accused of not having my facts right, [even though I did generalize a little bit], I found myself wanting to make my original posting completely accurate and thus removing any cause of concern from others. :-[
So my GTA brother, Here are some attachments that will give the exact numbers. ;D
You'll notice that there isn't a 125QE yet. After talking to the HatsanUSA tech guy, I was told that it will be here soon and to be patient.
Cheers,
Vernon
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I'm very glad to see they cut down the barrel sizes. The only negative will be the increase in cocking effort. Anything to get the pellet out of the barrel to reduce the effects from recoil is good. My Beeman R1 carbines are more accurate than my normal R1s. I have not chronied any of them since velocity was noticeably similiar. Accuracy really improved in .22 and .25. Can't wait to order a 87qe in .25.
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I got a 125 sniper and an 87qe both vortex an .25 cal. I haven shot the 87 over 40 yards (just because i haven't had the opportunity to yet) but I absolutely love it. The metal barrel on it makes it feel more solid than the 125 but both are great rifles. Its lighter than the sniper too so i typically take the 87 hunting and shoot long range targets with the sniper.
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Finally got the Hatsan 87qe in .25. As for the "qe" part, it may be a little quieter then my other Hatsans. But, sound supressors on air piston or springers really dont do much anyway, since the noise comes from the mechanics of the gun more so then the air. However, I very much like the short barrel. There is no loss in velocity and seems to be a gain in accuracy. The pellet gets out of the barrel faster, so recoil doesnt have as much effect on the pellet. Shooting great groups, better then any other Hatsan I own. So, Im sold on the short barrel, but not the "qe" thing. It doesnt seem any quieter and didn't expect it to be.
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Finally got the Hatsan 87qe in .25. As for the "qe" part, it may be a little quieter then my other Hatsans. But, sound supressors on air piston or springers really dont do much anyway, since the noise comes from the mechanics of the gun more so then the air. However, I very much like the short barrel. There is no loss in velocity and seems to be a gain in accuracy. The pellet gets out of the barrel faster, so recoil doesnt have as much effect on the pellet. Shooting great groups, better then any other Hatsan I own. So, Im sold on the short barrel, but not the "qe" thing. It doesnt seem any quieter and didn't expect it to be.
Now thats disappointing! I had hopes to be a little more neighborhood friendly!
This 125 sniper echos when all is quiet! Oh well maybe others will get one that is! Good to hear about the accuracy though! pappywith4
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I want to get a 125 Vortex Sniper .25 at some point but maybe a QE if the power is the same. My 95 Vortex isn't loud.