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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: gregdavidson on April 30, 2015, 08:19:54 AM
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In the midst of the impending Zombie Apocalypse I plan on using a powerful break barrel air rifle. I think this is a good choice because the pellets are very cheap and lightweight. Plus, most break barrel air rifles are relatively quiet which means that I won't attract more hordes of zombies. Obviously, I'll need an air rifle that's fully capable of penetrating a zombie's skull. Do you think the Hatsan 125 is a good choice? If not, which air rifle do you recommend?
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Zombie skulls are soft. You could use a Red Ryder and be fine.
That said, I think a PCP with an air pump is a better bet. You really don't want to be fumbling about with pellets when a horde of undead are bearing down on you. A half decent .22 tuned for 12 FPE should give you a few dozen shots before pumping again.
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I agree go with a PCP repeater lots of follow up shots so you can plug more zombies
And if a zombie grabs the barrel on a break barrel you have to touch the zombie slime to reload unless you have time to wipe the barrel down.
Dave
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You are going to want a heavy gun with a stout stock. If backed into a corner you will need to use it as a club!
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Welcome to Fantasy Land...
I'll keep to my 12 gauge and a stout machete...
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Hi Greg
I recommend trying to find a GTA member in you area that has one and see if they will let you try the rifle.
This is a good thing to do for what ever purpose you want the Airgun for.
And you get to meet members and maybe even a new shooting buddy
Dave
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The 125 is a very powerful air rifle but it's for small to medium size game. I don't think it's good enough for zombies. A 12 gauge shotgun is a better option for zombies.
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Problem with shotguns is ammunition. In the event of apocalypse, everyone and their mother is going to raid the ammo supplies, and you can expect the popular stuff like 12 gauge or 22LR to go first. First person to the sporting goods store is going to take every box they can carry, and probably come back for the rest.
While everyone else is fighting to the death over the last box of bird shot, I'll be safely hidden away, pumping my rifles up and sitting on a mountain of pellets.
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A 12 gauge shotgun is a better option for zombies.
I wouldn't use a shotgun because it's way too loud. For every 1 zombie I kill, I'll attract 20 new ones which defeats the purpose.
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From what I am finding online it looks like anywhere from 10-30 fpe on average depending on which part of the skull. I would feel pretty good in a zombie situation with a solid PCP.. Perhaps a .25 cal to be safe slinging Poly mags for that extra penetration.. it'd be a balance between shot count and power however since refilling in an attack would be a tough task but a good size air reservoir would be sweet..perhaps a cf tank in a back pack tethered to the Gun ..but best to keep a solid blade and machete/hatchet w spike 4 those inside jobs.
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Wow, I had no idea how much the zombie movies have affected people :)
Actually someone had started the same thread 2-3 years ago but we were all joking about it then and the responses were humorous. Many of you seem to be a lot more serious about defending against Zombies these days, but the answer IMO simply is that a springer is no good unless you have a powerful (minimum 30fpe) multi-shot or preferrably a semi-auto airgun. You cannot keep a Springer cocked because it will ruin the spring. If it were me, I would not want to cock it and load a pellet every time, because most likely I won't have time for more than 1 or 2 shots.
A semi-auto .22LR that's magazine fed would be a much better choice over an airgun for Zombies (and head shots) or anything bigger than a raccoon attacking you. But a semi-auto .223/5.56 (and a sidearm) would be my choice with several loaded mags on hand for when the dung hits the fan ;D Speaking of long guns for Zombies, I have actually briefly discussed this with my wife, and her choice of weapon is my Rossi 92 .357 Mag lever action. It takes 10 rounds in the tubular magazine and can be loaded fairly quickly, plus it's under 6 pounds fully loaded and deadly accurate with iron sights.
The big secret is you don't wait until something happens to "run to the Sporting Goods store for ammo". You stock up on ammo now and be ready for what might come. To go to stores looking for ammo after it has already started, is just as bad as heading out to buy a gun after the fact. Once it happens you have to deal with it with what you got.
Harry
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Wow, I had no idea how much the zombie movies have affected people :)
Actually someone had started the same thread 2-3 years ago but we were all joking about it then and the responses were humorous. Many of you seem to be a lot more serious about defending against Zombies these days
Harry, if I can find the right .22 air rifle, I plan on purchasing 100,000 or even 200,000 pellets. Heck, I might even purchase 500,000 pellets. Do you think the Crosman Premier Hollowpoints are a good choice? I like the fact that they expand and have pretty good penetration. Plus, they're dirt cheap. I can pick up a can of 500 for about $6 online which is an incredible price.
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When zombie "killing" becomes politically incorrect they'll take that fantasy world away from us too.
After all, The Walking Dead is non-fiction. Right...
What a boring world this is becoming...
Keep honing your skills though - JIC...
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I bet it would be great on zombie squirrels.
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That will do ya!
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Harry "hit the nail on the head".
If you wait until the emergency exits to obtain the supplies that you'll need for survival then you might as well raise the white flag because you've already lost.
You have to stock up now so that you're already prepared when the "event" rears it's ugly head.
I have to admit though....... I'm really not to worried about zombies. However...... I must admit I have met some people who might qualify :) LOL
JEff
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Wait, so we're not supposed to take this kind of stuff seriously, but we are supposed to stockpile ammunition to prepare for it :o You guys have a different definition of taking something seriously than I do.
That said, preparing for the apocalypse is a waste of resources. You're much better off preparing for things which have a real chance of happening, like putting aside money to deal with unexpected illness or disaster, rather than ammunition to deal with the dissolution of society.
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"Prepping" is a hot topic nowadays. Some think it's wise, others feel it's unnecessary and a waste of time, money and effort. There's no right or wrong... it's one of those things that must be decided upon by each individual according to their personal feelings and beliefs regarding the issue.... and it's not all just about guns and ammo. A lot of people stockpile food, water, medicine and other emergency supplies that are very useful in many emergency situations. Air guns included :)
As for the apocalypse not "having a real chance of happening" ....... think back to how quickly society broke down in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina rolled through. There was no functioning police department to speak of, no functioning local or federal government to keep order, shortages of food, water and shelter, and roving packs of armed street gangs looting and pillaging. Maybe not a world wide apocalypse but it certainly qualified as a local one on a city size scale and the dissolution of society happened very quickly during that event.
Anyway, prepping is indeed an interesting topic on the minds of many people today, some for it and some against it. It's a personal choice that each person must decide on their own.
As for zombies...... like I said, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over that scenario :)
Jeff
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As for the apocalypse not "having a real chance of happening" ....... think back to how quickly society broke down in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina rolled through. There was no functioning police department to speak of, no functioning local or federal government to keep order, shortages of food, water and shelter, and roving packs of armed street gangs looting and pillaging. Maybe not a world wide apocalypse but it certainly qualified as a local one on a city size scale and the dissolution of society happened very quickly during that event.
Just how much ammunition and medicine do you need to weather a couple weeks/months of anarchy? And if you really predict that this local disaster isn't going to get better and you need to be fully self sufficient over the long term to stay in that area...why don't you just leave the area?
I'd also like to point out that Katrina is exactly the sort of thing I said you should prepare for. If you're planning to stay in the area through a hurricane for which there's an evacuation order, having several weeks of clean water, food, medicine is obviously wise. Large amounts of ammunition is so unlikely to be useful that whatever you have on hand is almost certainly enough.
Anyway, prepping is indeed an interesting topic on the minds of many people today, some for it and some against it. It's a personal choice that each person must decide on their own.
I agree wholeheartedly. My decision is based on the fact that there are plenty of things that can and do happen which I could prepare for instead. I choose to prepare for the likely scenario, rather than the one that hasn't happened since the fall of Rome 2000 years ago.
I'm generally opposed to prepping because I've seen more than one person waste large amounts of money on it. One of my friends in high school often went without, because his father kept spending whatever savings they had on more cases of ammunition to bury in the woods, or a literal room full of toilet paper stacked from the floor to the ceiling, or any number of things that he was convinced was necessary to buy to protect his family. I won't fault anyone for protecting their family, but what he was doing was harming them, not protecting them.
There's a real, negative impact here that shouldn't be ignored. If you or anyone else want to prep, then it's no business of mine to tell you not to. I just think it's a foolish waste of money that's never done anyone any more good than a reasonable disaster plan would have. And that's all I have to say.
As for zombies...... like I said, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over that scenario :)
I don't think anyone else is, either. At least I hope nobody in this thread is taking the threat of zombies seriously.
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Only in the US of A.... ::) ::) ::)
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Well SmokeTest....... that's what makes this country so great..... we're each entitled to our own opinion. Have a great day :)
JEff
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The 125 is a very powerful air rifle but it's for small to medium size game. I don't think it's good enough for zombies. A 12 gauge shotgun is a better option for zombies.
Well, when I said this my idea of zombies was a couple of guys wearing masks trying to break into someone's home. No need for a large supply to take care of this kind of zombies.
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Another rifle I'm looking at is the Umarex Octane. It generates about the same amount of velocity as the Hatsan 125 with less cocking effort.
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The 125 is a very powerful air rifle but it's for small to medium size game. I don't think it's good enough for zombies. A 12 gauge shotgun is a better option for zombies.
Well, when I said this my idea of zombies was a couple of guys wearing masks trying to break into someone's home. No need for a large supply to take care of this kind of zombies.
My idea of a zombie is a person who has completely lost his mind and is running around like crazy trying to hurt people. Some people would agree that I fall under this category.
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I choose to prepare for the likely scenario, rather than the one that hasn't happened since the fall of Rome 2000 years ago.
Suit yourself. Just understand that "the fall of Rome" scenerio has happened a thousand times over in history since the fall of Rome for civilians caught on the ground when the enemy invades. Its happening all over the world right now.
Most of us understand that the zombie apocalypse is just a popular expression used as code for the break down of rule of law.
My zombie guns are manifold depending on the kind of zombie. My Mrods are tasked with taking out the four legged mutant animal zombies that happen to themselves have edible flesh. My powderburners are reserved for the two legged zombies.
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I choose to prepare for the likely scenario, rather than the one that hasn't happened since the fall of Rome 2000 years ago.
Suit yourself. Just understand that "the fall of Rome" scenerio has happened a thousand times over in history since the fall of Rome for civilians caught on the ground when the enemy invades. Its happening all over the world right now.
Be realistic. The United States is not Syria. We are not on the brink of war. What's happening on the other side of the planet does not in any way necessitate preparing for those same conditions here.
Unless you're a heck of a lot richer than I am, you have to decide what to do with a limited amount of resources. Focusing on "what if everything I've ever known stops being true for the first time in my life" is not wise. Planning for "what if this thing that happens to a lot of people" is.
It's natural human tendency to focus on the extremely unlikely but catastrophic scenario, but it's not helpful. Ten thousand rounds of ammunition and your own personal supply of penicillin is little comfort when you lose your job, or your house burns down, or you get cancer, or any of the other very real things that destroy peoples' lives all the time.
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Like I said, you have to suit yourself.
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"Prepping" is a hot topic nowadays. Some think it's wise, others feel it's unnecessary and a waste of time, money and effort. There's no right or wrong... it's one of those things that must be decided upon by each individual according to their personal feelings and beliefs regarding the issue.... and it's not all just about guns and ammo. A lot of people stockpile food, water, medicine and other emergency supplies that are very useful in many emergency situations. Air guns included :)
As for the apocalypse not "having a real chance of happening" ....... think back to how quickly society broke down in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina rolled through. There was no functioning police department to speak of, no functioning local or federal government to keep order, shortages of food, water and shelter, and roving packs of armed street gangs looting and pillaging. Maybe not a world wide apocalypse but it certainly qualified as a local one on a city size scale and the dissolution of society happened very quickly during that event.
Anyway, prepping is indeed an interesting topic on the minds of many people today, some for it and some against it. It's a personal choice that each person must decide on their own.
As for zombies...... like I said, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over that scenario :)
Jeff
You hit the nail on the head. Prepping IS a good idea, and humans have done it since the beginning of recorded history.
However, some situations that people prep for are obviously absurd, ie zombies. However, I look at it as a way to make it fun. Zombies are a romanticized SHTF situation. It's fun to imagine how you would fare in that world.
In all reality, we are far more likely to see things like natural disasters or civil unrest that could potentially cripple a region. But if you've prepped for zombies, you are probably good to go when an earthquake or riots strike (seriously, look at Baltimore, and other far worse riots of the past).
Airguns could play a role in your SHTF plans. If a rioter (real world zombie, basically) tried to break into your home, I think he'd turn around if you pointed a Sumatra 2500 at him. No, its not a 12g, but perhaps you can't or just simply don't have powder burners (perfect example: I'm living with my folks until I have enough for a down-payment on my own place, and powder burners scare them for reasons I can't comprehend).
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"Prepping" is a hot topic nowadays. Some think it's wise, others feel it's unnecessary and a waste of time, money and effort. There's no right or wrong... it's one of those things that must be decided upon by each individual according to their personal feelings and beliefs regarding the issue.... and it's not all just about guns and ammo. A lot of people stockpile food, water, medicine and other emergency supplies that are very useful in many emergency situations. Air guns included :)
As for the apocalypse not "having a real chance of happening" ....... think back to how quickly society broke down in New Orleans after hurricane Katrina rolled through. There was no functioning police department to speak of, no functioning local or federal government to keep order, shortages of food, water and shelter, and roving packs of armed street gangs looting and pillaging. Maybe not a world wide apocalypse but it certainly qualified as a local one on a city size scale and the dissolution of society happened very quickly during that event.
Anyway, prepping is indeed an interesting topic on the minds of many people today, some for it and some against it. It's a personal choice that each person must decide on their own.
As for zombies...... like I said, I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over that scenario :)
Jeff
You hit the nail on the head. Prepping IS a good idea, and humans have done it since the beginning of recorded history.
Preparing for things which might happen is a good idea. Preparing for the end of everything you know is not. Just how far back in time do you need to go for those kinds of preparations to be useful in your area? Depending on where you are, I'd guess it would be ~1861-1865.
All things in moderation. Stay grounded, people.
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Like I said before SmokeTest........ everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this, or any topic. While I may not agree with your opinion I still respect it and respect you for having it. I only ask the same in return.
As for your comment : " Preparing for things which might happen is a good idea. Preparing for the end of everything you know is not. Just how far back in time do you need to go for those kinds of preparations to be useful in your area? Depending on where you are, I'd guess it would be ~1861-1865" I honestly don't know how far back I'd have to go to find conditions of that magnitude in my region and you're right.... such conditions may never occur in my area in my lifetime..... I hope to God they don't !! However, that being said..... if such conditions ever do arise I will feel secure knowing that I've done everything I could to prepare for it and to protect my family.
Remember,,,, it only takes one such event to threaten the safety of your family. How we each decide to prepare, or not prepare, for such a situation is a personal choice and we should always respect the personal choices of others.
As for "staying grounded"....... I am :)
Jeff
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I will remind you guys this is a airgun forum not a survivalist forum by no means so please keep this thread alive by discussing airguns or airgun hunting. David
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for zombies I would just head for the hills. have a rimfire rifle a slingshot, a long bow and an air rifle. in an un populated area chances are all yo wil need for zombies is a big stick and a brain. the rest is for securing food
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I will remind you guys this is a airgun forum not a survivalist forum by no means so please keep this thread alive by discussing airguns or airgun hunting. David
sorry I didn't read this before making my previous comment. was all in good fun