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Title: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SSSalih on April 19, 2015, 04:28:32 PM
Hi to everybody, from hometown of Hatsan pcp air rifles. As most American airgunners know, Hatsan's pre-charged pneumatic air rifles have a good reputation for their accuracy, power and price among fans of air rifles. But it's not the only pcp manufacturer in Turkey anymore. I'd like to introduce Turkey's newborn pcp air rifle 'the ''Puncher'' from Kral Arms:
http://kralav.com/tr/puncher-pcp-havali-af-tufegi.html (http://kralav.com/tr/puncher-pcp-havali-af-tufegi.html)
In fact Kral (means ''king'') Air Rifle Company has produced spring air rifles as well as shotguns for 25 years in Konya, a city in Turkey, which is famous for its shotgun manufacturers. The ''Puncher'' is the first attempt of Kral Arms in pcp line.
A detailed professional review (accuracy, air consumption, power and consistency) from users in Turkey is not made yet, cos its very new. But I want to share a grouping from ten meters with a not-zeroed scope in strong wind:
https://youtu.be/lXfUCSQU_fY (https://youtu.be/lXfUCSQU_fY)

Thanx for watching
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: BenjiHunter on April 19, 2015, 04:46:38 PM
That is a beautiful rifle!
Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: dcorvino on April 19, 2015, 04:54:53 PM
Very nice looking rifle.
When do you think it will available in the US market?
Thank you for posting about it.

Dave
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SSSalih on April 19, 2015, 05:15:28 PM
Thanx for your kind remarks. As I learned from a source, they have sent the first party to Argentina and are planning to export to the US as well. But its time is currently a question mark.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: dcorvino on April 19, 2015, 05:27:24 PM
Do you know if the pricing would be simalar to Hatsan's price points?
Can't wait to see more on it.
Please keep us posted

Dave
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SSSalih on April 19, 2015, 05:31:34 PM
Do you know if the pricing would be simalar to Hatsan's price points?
Dave
In Turkey it is sold at approx. the price of an AT44.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: dcorvino on April 19, 2015, 05:35:19 PM
That is a nice price if it carries over in the US.
Might be on my list
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Monkeydad1969 on April 19, 2015, 05:36:20 PM
That is a nice price if it carries over in the US.
Might be on my list

...and you call me the Collector?  Geez!  ???
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Bwalton on April 19, 2015, 08:54:19 PM
Very nice looking rifle...As you can see I'm into the Hatsan line. But I am also open minded.. I like the Turkish approach, but there is room for improvement. What calibers do they come in? Also more concern with 50-100yard groups when time permits. Also who makes the barrel? and what is the length?Sorry for all the questions but they are ones that I need to know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H3EeASrLQW8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H3EeASrLQW8#)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Pappywith4 on April 19, 2015, 09:32:45 PM
I think the Aria Al-145A looks great! What are these going to sell for in USA?
I could  not see speed rating for it either!  pappywith4
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SSSalih on April 20, 2015, 02:55:26 AM
What calibers do they come in? Also more concern with 50-100yard groups when time permits. Also who makes the barrel? and what is the length?Sorry for all the questions but they are ones that I need to know.
My pleasure to answer. They come in with .177, .22 and .25. Some users in İstanbul wanted to test this rifle yesterday but as they said strong wind and rain didn't allow to make a healthy review. But I will share details as soon as I hear about it. Barrel isn't made by lothar walter, at least I know this for now. The barrels come in with two options: 47 cm/18.5 inch or 51 cm 20 inch

I think the Aria Al-145A looks great! What are these going to sell for in USA?
I could  not see speed rating for it either!  pappywith4
Velocity for other spring-piston air rifles of Kral is approx. 310 mps for .22 cal. For pcp it will change depending on valve-spring tension, and air I think.

Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SpiralGroove on April 20, 2015, 10:26:48 AM
Hey SSSalih,
The Puncher and Aria get my airgun motor going as they are beautiful guns.  A little lighter too :D
Love that Turkish Walnut.  Hope they make it over to the US soon ;)
Thanks for sharing....................Kirk
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on April 20, 2015, 06:11:42 PM
Very nice looking rifle...As you can see I'm into the Hatsan line. But I am also open minded.. I like the Turkish approach, but there is room for improvement. What calibers do they come in? Also more concern with 50-100yard groups when time permits. Also who makes the barrel? and what is the length?Sorry for all the questions but they are ones that I need to know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H3EeASrLQW8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=H3EeASrLQW8#)
+1 I like the fact it has an adjustable power wheel like the s510 xtra, also is it threaded for muzzle breaks or an ldc? and what is the volume of the air cylinder? It looks promising...
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Southland on April 20, 2015, 06:54:31 PM
Nice looking gun.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on April 20, 2015, 07:06:39 PM
Airtube, fill port, even the action really looks like Evanix
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on April 20, 2015, 09:51:46 PM
 ;D Manny would that make it a Turkish clone of a Korean rifle?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: LDP on April 21, 2015, 12:48:02 AM
Airtube, fill port, even the action really looks like Evanix

My thoughts exactly. It looks like a copy of the Evanix with an AA power adjuster. Even the stock has the same design and checkering as an Evanix.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on April 21, 2015, 02:13:12 AM
Airtube, fill port, even the action really looks like Evanix

Indeed, actually it looks a bit more like the JKHan with the rounded gaugeblock. It seems that the basic design gets copied quite a lot. I hope they fixed the o-ring position at the tube threads and the awfully thin wall at the bottom of the valve block where the valve housing is threaded. It would be nice if these guns could be filled to 250 bar or even more.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Railbuggy on April 21, 2015, 06:58:21 AM
Maybe price's will drop with KRAL Arms entering the market. I visit Izmir in 1976 and found the street venders love to haggle on price and copy/improve other products. Turkey has been exporting some fine firearms lately. I was looking at some of there 1911 and CZ75 off shoots. :D
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SSSalih on April 21, 2015, 04:02:43 PM
I had a short conversation on the phone today with sales manager of Kral Arms, and learned that the air tube is 280 cc in volume and they would prepare a diagram for Puncher's parts to enlighten us.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on April 21, 2015, 05:13:53 PM
I had a short conversation on the phone today with sales manager of Kral Arms, and learned that the air tube is 280 cc in volume and they would prepare a diagram for Puncher's parts to enlighten us.
Nice! It gives this gun the potential to give a high shot count
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: SSSalih on April 21, 2015, 05:44:42 PM
Here are some photos from a user..
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on April 21, 2015, 06:00:59 PM
That reciver really looks like a close copy of the Rainstorm in many aspects, the 280cc airtube is exactly what the Rainstorm is, wander if they buy Tubes and fill port from Evanix
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on April 22, 2015, 12:24:12 AM
That reciver really looks like a close copy of the Rainstorm in many aspects, the 280cc airtube is exactly what the Rainstorm is, wander if they buy Tubes and fill port from Evanix
The trigger looks like Hatsan quattro trigger, the rail is like the Hatsan (both dovetail and picatinny) and it has a very similar power adjuster as the s510, and at the price of an AT44 I think I may need one
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Nomadic Pirate on April 22, 2015, 07:30:28 AM
the blade does, but all the underneath is exactly like the Rainstorm trigger, the exposed hammer on the side, the HS plug, the sidelever configuration,...this guys did a good copycat job for sure.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on April 22, 2015, 07:34:14 AM
 ;D It looks like they took the best features of several rifles and blended them together I especially like the Weaver rail. ( Positively dislike the Dovetail mounts)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Missed-Em on April 22, 2015, 10:37:22 AM
Has me checking the bank balance already!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on April 22, 2015, 10:39:29 AM
 ;) ;D Next question do we have an exporter or know of a source for these rifles, or is this going to be a gee wizz wish I could get one here
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Bwalton on April 22, 2015, 11:16:01 AM
Looks like a line that PA would pick up...
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: npunk42 on April 22, 2015, 11:37:59 AM
How loud is it, compared to the AA S510?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Charles Outdoors on April 22, 2015, 12:44:04 PM
Looks good. The biggest question is who will be the importer/servicer. I remember how long it took to get Hatsan over here.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: nappyman on April 22, 2015, 04:20:23 PM
+3 on the copy of evanix and the khan it took me 2 seconds of seeing it. She is pretty though 👠👌🏽👀😀
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Motorhead on April 22, 2015, 04:45:48 PM
In a current world market where PRODUCT sold is king, having such guns or should we say "Choices" great as this is can be a Very bad investment long term if parts support is not there as well  :-[

One needs to look no further than the Korean Evanix where THEY MAKE GUNS and do a bare minimum in parts support availability.

Just stating the obvious  :o being JMO
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on April 22, 2015, 04:56:14 PM
 ;D Scott it is only a serious problem if you only have 1 rifle and no excess discretionary funds to play with
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on April 23, 2015, 01:21:00 AM
In a current world market where PRODUCT sold is king, having such guns or should we say "Choices" great as this is can be a Very bad investment long term if parts support is not there as well  :-[

One needs to look no further than the Korean Evanix where THEY MAKE GUNS and do a bare minimum in parts support availability.

Just stating the obvious  :o being JMO

Every manufacturer should have all their gun parts available for internet ordering, like BSA does via John Knibbs. That's one of the reasons why I own several BSAs.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: David.Soliman on August 31, 2015, 10:31:11 AM
Just got my hands on a Puncher, here in Egypt. This is the shot string for the power setting set to max (red) and medium (blue), the chrony was acting up a bit but it seems like the shots are very consistent. I'll take it apart in a few days and post my findings along with some pictures.


(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/kral-punsher-string.png)

 
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on August 31, 2015, 04:43:14 PM
What is the ES?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Geoff on August 31, 2015, 04:59:04 PM
What is the ES?

rough estimates from his image is 7.5 % ES  +/- .5 ... we can wait for actual numbers to see how close I am
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: David.Soliman on September 01, 2015, 07:09:00 AM
Just finished gutting the gun and I photographed every detail, will be uploading some pictures very soon.
Here are the actual numbers for the string

1. Medium power:
231
233
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231
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2. Full power:

274
274
274
274
269
275
274
276
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277
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274
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278
279
275
278
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280
282
284
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Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on September 01, 2015, 04:47:29 PM
Nice shoot count (45+ shots), but poor consistency looks like a 65fps spread in the high power set up, seems like adjusting the hammer spring would help a bit.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Pursang on September 01, 2015, 09:59:34 PM
That reciver really looks like a close copy of the Rainstorm in many aspects, the 280cc airtube is exactly what the Rainstorm is, wander if they buy Tubes and fill port from Evanix

My first thought was it looked very much like a Rainstorm. If it is the same price as an At44, and can be tuned to get 50 shots at ~28fpe, and shoots good, they have a winner.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: David.Soliman on September 02, 2015, 06:59:10 AM
Ok here are my findings, the barrel is about 21 inches, unchoked with well defined lands and grooves. The air tube measures 30 mm across and the inner length is 360 mm which puts the reservoir at about 254 cc. The transfer port is 4 mm at max and has a power wheel to limit it (a problem that has occurred with this wheel is that it has a tendency of rotating on its own during firing.

A friend of mine has a gun store and sells these, he let me examine a dozen of them. A few of them had what seems to be a common problem; the fill probe won't go all the way inside the fill port. We took some of these rifles apart and found that the problem was caused by the stem on the fill valve poppet it was protruding inside the fill port. I filed the stem on a couple that had that problem and they worked fine.

Here are some of the pictures that I took, if you're looking for something specific just let me know.

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030823.jpg)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030824.jpg)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030830.jpg)

The valve seems to have an o-ring that helps seal the air tube with the poppet????? Not sure if this is an o-ring though it is a lot stiffer that an o-ring (I didn't want to take it out and ruin it when I didn't know what it was)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030849.jpg)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030850.jpg)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030860.jpg)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030867.jpg)

(https://egyptianairgunners.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/p1030870.jpg)

Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on September 02, 2015, 08:15:45 AM
That's Evanix copy for sure. Actually I think Evanix itself is a copy of something else but never mind that. Could you measure the valve tunnel nose OD (the part that goes inside breech) and poppet stem and seal diameters for us? That suspected o-ring where the poppet seats is not rubber but metal and part of that valve tunnel nose, the same as in Evanix guns.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Bwalton on September 02, 2015, 11:59:20 AM
The Evanix look a likes are starting to pop up by the numbers, Jkhan, Now this one.... Maybe more to follow? Maybe they are selling the parts in bulk and companies are using the parts I don't know? Gamo and BSA we know the deal with them, I am trying to figure out how this design got all the way to Turkey ???
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on September 02, 2015, 01:58:16 PM
Webley Venom Sidewinder was yet another version of that gun but I don't know whether it was the original or rebranded.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on September 03, 2015, 01:40:58 AM
Another question, could you stick a 14mm diameter barrel in to that breech. I.e. is there enough room to bore the barrel tunnel out to that diameter?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Habanero69er on September 03, 2015, 06:27:12 AM
the blade does, but all the underneath is exactly like the Rainstorm trigger, the exposed hammer on the side, the HS plug, the sidelever configuration,...this guys did a good copycat job for sure.

+1   Even the safety selector lever is the same. Wasn't the Rainstorm also a knock off of another gun? Maybe a Webley or something?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: adel152 on November 09, 2015, 09:00:47 AM
Hi Everyone
The Puncher just arrived to UK market about 3 weeks ago and advertised with very high price for unknown reason? the price of the rifle here is £500!.
I doubt it if any one will buy this rifle in the UK for this price.
The rifle get sold in turkey for £180 include a 3-9x32 scope.
The rifle is cheaper than the Hatsan 44 in Turkey and more expensive in UK?
The price don't make any sense to me but it must be a good reason for that (I hope).

Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on November 09, 2015, 12:44:11 PM
They are around 450 euros in Poland. You could order from there while you are still in EU  ;)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: adel152 on November 12, 2015, 05:08:11 AM
They are around 450 euros in Poland. You could order from there while you are still in EU  ;)
Thanks rkr for the info. That is nearly £180 cheaper than UK price.!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: 21grains on December 08, 2015, 04:00:14 AM
The Puncher is Made by Hatsan for Kral : Translate Top R .....Franky

http://www.gajetcamp.in/%D8%AA%D9%81%D9%86%DA%AF-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%D8%B1.html (http://www.gajetcamp.in/%D8%AA%D9%81%D9%86%DA%AF-%DA%A9%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%84-%D9%BE%D8%A7%D9%86%DA%86%D8%B1.html)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: eazy on February 06, 2016, 10:39:43 AM
Got this New Kral Arms Puncher Air Rife PCP few days ago, I wanted to go for Gamo Goyote, but the dealer recommended Puncher, he said new on market etc.. The name Kral Arms does ring a bell... soon as I remembered in 2006 i went to the gun show in Turkey -  So I called my dealer and got the rifle .177  Due to bad UK weather i have not had a go at the Puncher - My rifle comes with a life time warrantee every 6 -12 months hand it in for full service free of charge, I got Hawke ECLIPSE IR AO MIL-DOT - 4-16x50 AO IR Mil Dot scope all in the price of ????????????????????????????????????? £   499.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: kubi11 on February 06, 2016, 01:29:55 PM


And what about clips? They skip pellets and get stuck all the time so you need to go and buy new ones. It is such a big pain :( i changed 4 of them in a few days and all go faulty after loading them couple of times
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on February 06, 2016, 01:33:26 PM
 ::) ;D Just ordered the WAR SSG for my Synthetic M-Rod .25 next the valve then a new stock then the modding begins
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on February 06, 2016, 02:43:04 PM
Airmaster Puncher is what they call this gun in Poland.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: kubi11 on February 07, 2016, 04:46:34 PM
Got this New Kral Arms Puncher Air Rife PCP few days ago, I wanted to go for Gamo Goyote, but the dealer recommended Puncher, he said new on market etc.. The name Kral Arms does ring a bell... soon as I remembered in 2006 i went to the gun show in Turkey -  So I called my dealer and got the rifle .177  Due to bad UK weather i have not had a go at the Puncher - My rifle comes with a life time warrantee every 6 -12 months hand it in for full service free of charge, I got Hawke ECLIPSE IR AO MIL-DOT - 4-16x50 AO IR Mil Dot scope all in the price of ????????????????????????????????????? £   499.

Clips is eating the needle which delivers pellets in the barrel and the Clip itself skips pellets, also pressure regulator turns by itself after few shots and you have to adjust it again and when you connect pump to a cylinder it will eat o rings on pumps connector, barrel is bigger then 4.5mm pellets go loose in it, but i have no accuracy problems so far. Mine is Kral Puncher Maxi 4.5cal
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: toine on February 09, 2016, 03:42:16 AM
Kral was present at SHOT show, and I really tried to get some detailed information from them on their airgun line. I went back multiple times as it seems only one person who was there knew anything about their airguns, and when I finally did manage to talk to this person, we had quite a difficult time communicating with each other. I emailed them, hoping to get more details and the like, but I have not heard back from them as of yet.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on February 09, 2016, 06:25:38 PM
Is pyramydair going to sell them?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: toine on February 09, 2016, 06:56:39 PM
Is pyramydair going to sell them?

As of SHOT, the only new line announced by Pyramyd was the Ataman.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Bwalton on February 11, 2016, 12:18:40 PM
Is pyramydair going to sell them?

As of SHOT, the only new line announced by Pyramyd was the Ataman.
I also had the same exact problem at shot show with them, I did email them as well...I think I am going to pass on them.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: AirgunSniper on January 20, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
I do not care who copy who. I am interested in KRAL PUNCHER BREAKER BULLPUP Silent.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on January 20, 2017, 09:46:04 AM
I do not care who copy who. I am interested in KRAL PUNCHER BREAKER BULLPUP Silent.

It's not a matter of who copied who but what this gun is. It's the same basic gun as Evanix Rainstorm 2 and JKHan Noblesse for almost half the price. If they matched the quality or improved it this should be a rather sound one and it is likely that you can use spares from those other guns. I don't care what sticker is in the gun is if it works.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Crosfire on January 28, 2017, 02:04:02 AM
This seems like a possible .25er me.  However, you think it will work for a lefty with tolerance for putting up with some discomfort with a world made for wrong-handed (right) people?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 28, 2017, 09:40:40 AM
This seems like a possible .25er me.  However, you think it will work for a lefty with tolerance for putting up with some discomfort with a world made for wrong-handed (right) people?
Easy answer to this: become both-handed like I did!  I'm right-eye dominant but used to shoot way better southpaw, since I'm a natural lefty.  But now I shoot equally bad good with either hand.  Besides, squirrels and HOSPs don't know the difference.

I'm with you on the .25.  Gut feeling tells me I'll be looking at the black-barreled walnut /pup in .22 then going with a walnut/nickel rifle in .25.  Getting Turkish walnut for the same price as synthetic is a no brainer for me, and of my powder-burners, the one i treasure the most are the ones that belonged to my wife's step-dad's father.  Dinged, scratched, weathered... they are true Hunters.  He told me about his hunts before I ended up with them and could tell me how each scratch got there.  A few bumps means it's been used, not a cabinet-queen.

At the price of these Krals, even if you lose the barrel lottery, the rest of the gun is very ergonomic platform with a sidelever, so for the the cost, add your own barrel and still come out ahead.  I bet these end up becoming a favorite.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on January 28, 2017, 12:13:53 PM
Peter, I have a friend with one, actually he has had two. He sent me this pic of a group with the .22 breaker silent synthetic at 40 meters with 18.1 JSBs(http://rs1252.pbsrc.com/albums/hh579/pllagunos/IMG_1178_zpss9sygznu.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: UCChris on January 28, 2017, 03:19:08 PM
All the reports I've read say that this gun is extremely accurate, but the bullpup has a plastic rail.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on January 28, 2017, 03:41:05 PM
All the reports I've read say that this gun is extremely accurate, but the bullpup has a plastic rail.
Actually the old version had some issues, like the magazine and platic rail, but the new version that PA offers has marauder style magazines and an aluminum rail
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: UCChris on January 28, 2017, 06:46:58 PM
All the reports I've read say that this gun is extremely accurate, but the bullpup has a plastic rail.
Actually the old version had some issues, like the magazine and platic rail, but the new version that PA offers has marauder style magazines and an aluminum rail

For reals? Dang, I want one now...
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: balllistic on January 28, 2017, 08:27:55 PM
Eagerly awaiting for these to get into the hands of members and reviewers...
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Bwalton on January 28, 2017, 11:00:30 PM
I have one on the way, very interested in seeing their barrel since they do it in house. The price point is very low as well.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: UCChris on January 28, 2017, 11:21:26 PM
I have one on the way, very interested in seeing their barrel since they do it in house. The price point is very low as well.

Let us know what you think! I've heard that they are very accurate and that the trigger is pretty good. If the scope rail really is metal now, it could be a home run of a gun!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Crosfire on January 29, 2017, 02:48:31 AM
Looks like the .25 is rated at 31 fpe.  Just for laughs, how high do you experts tuners think you raise the fpe and still get a reasonable shot count and accuracy? High 30s would be more attractive for me.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: rkr on January 29, 2017, 06:57:04 AM
Looks like the .25 is rated at 31 fpe.  Just for laughs, how high do you experts tuners think you raise the fpe and still get a reasonable shot count and accuracy? High 30s would be more attractive for me.

Based on my evanix tuning experience I'd say 25-30 shots at 60 fpe and max power around 80 fpe.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Crosfire on January 29, 2017, 03:01:39 PM
Looks like the .25 is rated at 31 fpe.  Just for laughs, how high do you experts tuners think you raise the fpe and still get a reasonable shot count and accuracy? High 30s would be more attractive for me.

Based on my evanix tuning experience I'd say 25-30 shots at 60 fpe and max power around 80 fpe.

NOICE!!!!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: pllagunos on January 29, 2017, 03:40:05 PM
Here is a review of a .25 by a friend, it's in Spanish, but I think you will get the whole video. He basically says the .25 shots a bit low in power but it's very very accurate. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvPAXdvhBU&t=8s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEvPAXdvhBU&t=8s)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Ozarkairgunner on January 29, 2017, 04:44:43 PM
It looks like PA will be selling the Kral airguns, they're available for pre-order now.

https://www.pyramydair.com/kral-arms-airgun?trk_msg=OHA7IRD9CQE4316RAB34KL2JGG&trk_contact=F7INC1MQ76EAUA5NRKSRLL8DB8&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pyramydair.com%2fkral-arms-airgun&utm_campaign=In+the+market+for+an+airgun%3f+Better+call+Kral. (https://www.pyramydair.com/kral-arms-airgun?trk_msg=OHA7IRD9CQE4316RAB34KL2JGG&trk_contact=F7INC1MQ76EAUA5NRKSRLL8DB8&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.pyramydair.com%2fkral-arms-airgun&utm_campaign=In+the+market+for+an+airgun%3f+Better+call+Kral.)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Rover on January 29, 2017, 06:15:10 PM
Hi all,

Any optics recommendations for the puncher breaker? I'm thinking high rings and something 3-9x for plinking and the occasional hunt.

Thanks and happy shooting!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Joekrooz on January 29, 2017, 08:44:35 PM
I hope the estimated delivery date is on time, just ordered the Puncher Breaker Silent Marine (that's a mouthful!) in .22.   Several reviews I've seen were real good, especially for the price.  We shall see!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Hunt4dinner on January 29, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
I preordered the puncher breaker silent in synthetic in .25 the day you could on pa. When it arrives I'll do a review on it to let people know what I think and if it's worth the money.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 29, 2017, 11:05:06 PM
Very interesting rifle at the price point if they are any good ( all indications are positive) they will give Hatsan a serious run.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Joekrooz on January 30, 2017, 09:49:10 PM
https://youtu.be/v1MYzM6a3gM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FpQWTJj_5mE&itct=CAwQpDAYASITCJeqtJ-i69ECFcjEnAodXVUHRjIGcmVsbWZ1SIO86_TMmcapvwE%3D

A couple of videos.  It looks like these guys are cranking out some guns.  I wish I could understand Turkish in the second video. 
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Djbriez on January 30, 2017, 11:18:26 PM
The Hottie at 1:14 in this video!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u9UZg1GSZE&t=9s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u9UZg1GSZE&t=9s)

Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on January 30, 2017, 11:40:14 PM
I like what I see so far thank goodness I don't NEED another PCP or I would be in serious trouble they are turning out some good looking rifles for sure
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Joekrooz on January 31, 2017, 08:07:57 AM
PA estimated in stock date now says 2/15/17.  I wonder how many times this will change?   
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: anti-squirrel on January 31, 2017, 09:35:00 AM
PA estimated in stock date now says 2/15/17.  I wonder how many times this will change?
I'm okay with it changing a few times, that way I can save enough to get one on pre-order :P
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Joekrooz on January 31, 2017, 03:55:55 PM
PA estimated in stock date now says 2/15/17.  I wonder how many times this will change?
I'm okay with it changing a few times, that way I can save enough to get one on pre-order :P
It's not like I don't have anything else to shoot ::), but this drives me crazy when they keep changing arrival dates.  This happens quite often though.  Nothing I can do about it but wait!
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Bwalton on February 01, 2017, 08:21:56 PM
I also have the huma regs coming for them as well, I think that I will offer regulated ones as well looking forward to getting these in and making them the best that they can be ;D
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Rallyshark on February 02, 2017, 12:14:46 AM
I also have the huma regs coming for them as well, I think that I will offer regulated ones as well looking forward to getting these in and making them the best that they can be ;D

I'm looking forward to your opinion on them Baxter!  If these guns do what it looks like they can do, they will be a steal of a deal.  Your opinion on them will play a big part on whether or not a lot of people on here start to jump on that deal I think.  I'm curious as to what the real world shot count will be with a regulator, and of course, the accuracy.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Djbriez on February 02, 2017, 02:10:53 AM
 I too am waiting on them to get in the hands of skilled artisans..... i LOVE the looks, but the .25 caliber is SEVERELY underpowered.... on paper, my Jkhan makes it look silly! (shot count is whats lacking on the Jkhan)....

DJ
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Dairyboy on February 02, 2017, 02:38:33 AM
What I love are the silver finishes. I wish more companies would make there guns available in the silver finish
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: oneshot61 on February 02, 2017, 10:52:28 PM
I too am waiting on them to get in the hands of skilled artisans..... i LOVE the looks, but the .25 caliber is SEVERELY underpowered.... on paper, my Jkhan makes it look silly! (shot count is whats lacking on the Jkhan)....

DJ
My jkhan .22 noblesse came with the heavy hammer spring, but the ones with the light spring shot around .30 ft lbs with the adjuster flush( I think) my guess would be those numbers on the kral are with a light spring, 4mm transfer ports on both the .22 and .25. With the right springs and a little porting, I think they will really shine. I too like the silver of the marine. That's the one I'm saving for.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Fred J on February 06, 2017, 08:42:15 PM
I ordered my Kral Puncher with wood stock in .177 cal today. From the videos, it seems to be an accurate gun. PA told me that they thing the trigger can be adjusted to 1 pound or less.
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Djbriez on February 06, 2017, 09:39:51 PM
I too am waiting on them to get in the hands of skilled artisans..... i LOVE the looks, but the .25 caliber is SEVERELY underpowered.... on paper, my Jkhan makes it look silly! (shot count is whats lacking on the Jkhan)....

DJ
My jkhan .22 noblesse came with the heavy hammer spring, but the ones with the light spring shot around .30 ft lbs with the adjuster flush( I think) my guess would be those numbers on the kral are with a light spring, 4mm transfer ports on both the .22 and .25. With the right springs and a little porting, I think they will really shine. I too like the silver of the marine. That's the one I'm saving for.

Agreed...... the spring is probably key... and you're right, my Jkhan in .25 shot like wimpy poo with the medium and light springs.

DJ
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: Motorhead on February 06, 2017, 10:27:36 PM
Darren & I just tore his Punisher Breaker Pup down to it's bare bones today.
Did an inventory of design attributes, weakness's and places to modify for both Unregulated & regulated uses.

So ... being for now Darren choose OEM unregulated we did a bunch of mods and just gave the gun a through going over.
All done ... JSB 18.1's easily making 930 FPS !! ( 35 ft lbs +/- )

Interesting day being inside this KRAL action and now know first hand what we have to work with and such required information to tune on them if requested too  ;)
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: UCChris on February 06, 2017, 10:42:24 PM
Darren & I just tore his Punisher Breaker Pup down to it's bare bones today.
Did an inventory of design attributes, weakness's and places to modify for both Unregulated & regulated uses.

So ... being for now Darren choose OEM unregulated we did a bunch of mods and just gave the gun a through going over.
All done ... JSB 18.1's easily making 930 FPS !! ( 35 ft lbs +/- )

Interesting day being inside this KRAL action and now know first hand what we have to work with and such required information to tune on them if requested too  ;)

And? Worth the money? High quality?
Title: Re: New air rifle from KRAL (King) Arms from Turkey
Post by: skorec on August 01, 2017, 08:49:18 AM
I am also thinking to buy Puncher Mega at. 177 but I am not able to decide If I need to purchase it with  LW barrel.
See  the next link.

https://www.rojal.si/en/shop/airguns/air-rifles/kral-arms-puncher-mega-4-5-synthetic.html (https://www.rojal.si/en/shop/airguns/air-rifles/kral-arms-puncher-mega-4-5-synthetic.html)

Is it necessary to install also the reg.  ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tkj3MU18ps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Tkj3MU18ps)