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Well i'm about flat out excited, i've been looking for a high ftlb pcp to coyote hunt with and had a gentleman offer me his brand new Jack Haley .458. Unfired except for the initial testing, it made 460 ftlbs using a 300gr. bullet@ 830fps. Although there is no guarentee that i will own this gun until it actually hits my hands, we have made arrangements for me to pay for the gun in two payments and it will be March before i receive her. Still, thats pretty good, he waited 7 months for it to be built, but by the time it came had 2 more custom bigbores ordered..lol, so i'm going to get lucky.
He said the thumbhole is done in english walnut, the gun is supposedly huge, just over 50" and i have no idea how much it weighs, but i'll bet it's not light:), the barrel alone is 26-28"long, still, i'm excited to get the opportunity to own one of these semi custom guns and to feel confident about hunting big game with a rifle thats appropriate. I have alot to study up on as so far as slugs go, and a lot to learn about these guns. I'll sure post as i get closer to seeing it show up. Jeff bet it's gonna be loud.. :o
up to 650gr.. bullets..http://mrhollowpoint.com/6764.html (http://mrhollowpoint.com/6764.html) all the .457 dia. should fit
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Wow that's a great looking gun! Can't wait see some yotes in the hunting gate:)
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Wow! You lucky dog. I hope it works out for you.
Richard
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Jonny, I think I have 'gun envy!' Beautiful and graceful all at the same time, Haley builds nice guns, doesn't he?
Well, how soon are you going to have coyote pics??? LOL!
joe
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Johnny you are lucky as all get out. Man that is a mighty fine rifle- Congrats to ya.....
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Thanks fellas,, it reminds me of a moderistic version of a flintlock, geez the thing looks long. It's going to be trial and error on some things, it sounds like it prefers 3500+psi, so my 3200psimax fills are going to be a little weak until i get a shoebox ughh compressor or find somewhere with a higher fill capability. And buy a carbon fiber tank.... hmm this sounds expensive :'( and getting worse all the time. Maybe i can see about reducing the air flow/valve or hammer spring to accomodate a lighter projectile and lower fill pressure. I don't need to shoot 655gr. slugs, the 200gr. would be fine for my purposes. I will have to try the 415gr. hollow point boattails though, they look like submarines.. oh what fun this will be.. ;D
Don't hold your breath on the coyote pictures but darned if i won't be trying.. ;)
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What a behemoth, JR.
Should definitely clobber those yodel dogs.
Beautiful stock, too.
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I checked out the pricing on those slugs, looks like quite an investment in ammo alone . I would be tempted to try a black powder bullet mold , also available in .458 . Might take some experimenting to get it right, but might be worth it in the end . Check this on out ,
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Lyman-Bullet-Molds/731728.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbullet%2Bmold%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=bullet+mold&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Lyman-Bullet-Molds/731728.uts?Ntk=AllProducts&searchPath=%2Fcatalog%2Fsearch.cmd%3Fform_state%3DsearchForm%26N%3D0%26fsch%3Dtrue%26Ntk%3DAllProducts%26Ntt%3Dbullet%2Bmold%26x%3D0%26y%3D0%26WTz_l%3DHeader%253BSearch-All%2BProducts&Ntt=bullet+mold&WTz_l=Header%3BSearch-All+Products)
Nice looking rifle by the way !
Ethan
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lol scott, i think you phrased that one just right, "behemoth", do you think thats why Jonnyboy has "gun envy" ;D
Ethan, i will get a mold for it, maybe several a roundball and a slug of some type. I'm going to shoot some of those(store bought) slugs and find out what works the best, then buy a mold or two. I'm also going to have to figure out a good backstop that will catch this lead, every 30 or so shots is a pound of lead downrange and i'd like to be able to save it, I say this, first i'm going to have to get the gun and make sure i like it, it's kind of an investment in a way, if i don't truly love it, i'll possibly sell it when the Rogue comes out, it should at least partially cover the expense of it. Jeff
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Congrats! Looking forward to a review when you get it
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VERY NICE Jeff!!! That has to be a blast to shoot I'd bet. Keep us informed when she get's there.
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Sure will ! Thanks Jay and DK! ;D Jeff
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WOW! :o
Makes my Dragon look like a red rider!
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Im thinking that a "Big Bore" section is needed here.
They could call it..... uh.....BB guns!!!!! ;D
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The PCP I'm wanting to build is similar to a Jack Haley. I'm not going into business or anything. I just want to build my own from a TC inline muzzleloader I have.
I need to see if he still sells PCP tubes.
I thought about making mine with switch barrel capability so I can make it into .25/.30/.32/.45/7mm calibers (yes, I know that caliber is incorrect terminology for a metric bore diameter), and a .410 shotgun.
I like my .45 Sam Yang so much that I want to build an uber-powerful BB gun.
Nice PCP, by the way. I like the fact that they don't sound anything like a firearm.
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Thanks, i've thought about it as well as it almost seems like the simplest valves are on the biggest guns, striker and spring,a modded T/C sounds like a great platform to build off of to, good luck with that.
Well i spoke to the seller and all is worked out, i should have it in my hands in a few short weeks, and although there is no way to do it yet, i'm already plotting having Howie make me a flintlock style full length stock in curly maple 8) It just seems like it would lend well to the gun, maybe a hawk feather or two dangling from the end,, ;D What do you think?
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The TC Thunderhawk looks like a Jack Haley rifle without the breech and barrel.
The nipple hole is the perfect place for the valve stem. I'll make a 1/4 x 28 bushing for the hole.
The factory barrel will be removed and replaced with an air tube and valve.
I'll have to make a breech tube/bolt/valve, and turn a barrel to fit.
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Jack makes nice stuff, shot a few of his guns super powerfull indeed, to much psi for me with hand pumps :)
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Yeah me too, i've been reading online how easy his guns are to adjust, i'll lighten(or possibly go heavier) the spring probably and also take an oz. or two off the hammer, to hopefully let me get more than one or two shots(yup thats it!!) off a 3000psi fill. I'll be saving up though, for i think a shoebox compressor in the future so i can take full advantage of this guns power. J
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And you don't really need to go more tha 200-250gr ammo really
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Nice! ;D
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Nice! ;D 230gr at 950fps is what my .45 auto is shooting. that's an impressive rifle you got. or maybe it's 300gr at 950fps. impressive that an air rifle can shoot something that big and heavy that hard.
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Welcome to the club Jonny!!
You can do a lot with a lighter bullet!! I used a BHD 265 grain wide flat nose to take this 330 pound boar.
(http://www.bigboreairgunammo.com/_images/trophy/TO_hog1.jpg)
I have BHD bullets from 255 to 405 grains and prefer the flatter trajectory of the 255 to 300 grain bullets.
BHD has a new cup point bullet that I am very excited about.
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I've been shooting it and I really like the expansion without a huge loss of energy.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/414006/message/1291368484/New+-458+Hybrid+bullet- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/414006/message/1291368484/New+-458+Hybrid+bullet-)
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I agree Manny, if the gun will shoot 200-280gr. bullets well i see no need to go bigger, although i am going to buy some of the 655gr. slugs just to say i did it. It will be 100+gr. over the heaviest shotgun slugs i ever fired. Thats a chunk. A flying brick.
Thanks aack, Your right, these guns are very similar to a powerful handgun load, without the pain :)
Wow, nice hawg there tworr!!! What kind of Rifle is that? looks like a Haley, did it drop your hog cleanly or was it a questionable amount of power for a critter that big? I will check out the BHD,(black hog down) bullets, a few years ago Seth quit producing them or something and i was able to get none.. i guess they are back up and running? Thanks for the post, Jeff
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??? Does anyone use these big bores as shotguns??
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Jeff -
More than enough power, but each shot should be for the heart and lungs. Think archery and the need for a exit hole for a good blood trail. I was at a bad angle and took the shot after not getting a chance at a larger 400 pound boar a little earlier. The bullet traveled up at an angle and destroyed his spin.
Here's the full story on my hog hunt.
http://www.bigboreairgunammo.com/trophy%20stories/trophy_to_hog1.html (http://www.bigboreairgunammo.com/trophy%20stories/trophy_to_hog1.html)
Seth has never stopped making ammo, but his wife has health issues and maybe that was the case. Give him a call and he will help you out. Tell him I sent you.
??? Does anyone use these big bores as shotguns??
There have been a few shotguns made both commercially and by bigbore makers.
Google "Farco Air shotgun" and then there was one builder that made a 20ga who took people's money and ran for the hills.
To shoot shot you really need a smooth bore or the rifling will scatter the shot and not pattern. We hope a couple of the current builders are releasing their shotguns soon.
I'm hoping someone releases a 28 to 20 gauge air shotgun. I had dreams about a 12 gauge but after seeing Jack's new 58 caliber gun and the lead, speeds, pressure and one ouch of lead is 438 grains, I have changed my mind. Using a hill pump for over a year also influence that. The difference in the amount I shot before and now that I have two 45 minute 4500psi tanks is amazing. I shot to sight in and hunting before, now I'm able to shoot as much as I like without getting tired. I make a bullet trap out of rubber mulch and reclaim my lead.
Todd
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Wow! That is one nice cannon! It will be at your door before you know it!
Hope you've "got air"! ;)
Charles
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lol, thanks, Air will initially be a problem but i'll get by for awhile on 3200psi fills. I think a shoebox compressor and C fiber tanks will be coming soon, Then i'll be able to take full advantage of the guns capability. I think i've found a way to speed up final delivery(send more money :) ) so i really do hope to have it sometime the 1st of March. I just found a nice 6x40 swift scope to start off with and i'll be ordering slugs this week too. I can't wait to get started on my experience with the gun, which will probably be a mixed bag of good and not so good but ultimately if i can make it accurately shoot in the 350+ftlb range it will serve every purpose i could hope for. I look forward to the real review, J
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2/22/2011
Jack is Currently building me a .58 Caliber Boomer. I sent Jack and Reba an $800 deposit on 2/2/2011. Has anyone
shot a Haley .58 Boomer ? I also made the DAQ 50 rifle build list this January . I am waiting on a .50 Quackenbush
Bandit. I have a Sam Yang 909S (.456 ) , And I am sure the Haley and DAQ will top the Power and accuracy my
Sam Yang has. I may send the 909S out to Leroy @ BGMF for a tune. If someone has a .58 haley or .50 DAQ they
can shed some light on them for me. Bob V @ Mr.Hollowpoint has helped me with the correct Conical Bullets and
roundballs for both of my rifles I am waiting on.
Jetman.
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Hey Thats awesome Jetman!! What a monster gun that is. Awesome to think that you are one of the few people in all the world with a rifle like that and i'll bet you can't wait to get it. Make sure to post when it comes in and i'd love to know what kind of fps that gun will make?
I had a 909 for awhile too and think you'll find your ft/lbs of energy basically doubled out of the Daq or JH rifles. My 909 was strong of course but even at the stock 200ftlbs of energy i never felt comfortable using it for anything bigger than med/small game. These semi custom BBore guns are MUCH stronger :) thanks for your post, j
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Dr.Reb,
You are correct, I cant wait until the .58 Boomer comes. Reba ( Jacks Wife ) said about 3 + weeks or so.
I am getting a .58 Carbine Boomer Built. I am going to start with the 286 Grain round balls and the 433 Grain
Conical Bullet to start with. In the .50 DAQ Bandit , I will start with the 182 Grain round Balls and the 330 Grain
Conical Bullet and work from there. I am the only one from South Carolina to make the DAQ list. I can wait 6 weeks
to 6 months for the DAQ , But well worth the wait. After these 2 rifles I would like to get a .45 Ranger from Dan.
I will see. This New Big Bore thread is just what I have been looking for to understand and learn more about the
many different Big Bores and what each one has to offer. I am sure I will pick up a lot of information here from
Ammo to Hunting, And then some. I need to place an order with Bob V soon here so I will have what I need to
shoot the .50 & .58. I will proudly post the .58 Boomer and .50 Bandit , Once There here. I have to be real close
to having the .58 Boomer ship. I am looking forward to Reba calling and saying its ready ,so I can send the Balance
out. I am really pumped up about getting a Haley and a Quackenbush , I am still in shock. I will post more when I
have one in hand.
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled, U.S Army
Cleveland , SC
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I got to shoot the .58 Haley this weekend. What a cannon!! It was punching nice big holes in my target. Another reason that I changed my mind from dreaming about a 12 gauge air shot gun and wanting one in the 28 to 20 gauge range.
.58 cal is a lot of lead and couldn't imagine a .729 cal now!! Maybe if/when 5500psi scba tanks are available. Otherwise today you need a booster pump and a 4500psi scba tank to get the higher pressures in your gun.
28 gauge (.550)
24 gauge (.580)
20 gauge (.615)
12 gauge (.729)
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I got to shoot the .58 Haley this weekend. What a cannon!! It was punching nice big holes in my target. Another reason that I changed my mind from dreaming about a 12 gauge air shot gun and wanting one in the 28 to 20 gauge range.
.58 cal is a lot of lead and couldn't imagine a .729 cal now!! Maybe if/when 5500psi scba tanks are available. Otherwise today you need a booster pump and a 4500psi scba tank to get the higher pressures in your gun.
28 gauge (.550)
24 gauge (.580)
20 gauge (.615)
12 gauge (.729)
Hi Tworr, Ya been shoot'en Brother Seth's new toy????? That rifle is awsome for sure.
I love B-Vogals viedo on shooting the 58 cal into a 15 lb block of ice and watching it blow apart at 75 yds. That will giggle a hogs brains out for sure. hech what brain after shooting it with one of those mighty 58 cal monsters.lol PS tell Seth I am gonna have to get my Love Seth pocket pin protctor and I love Seth T-shirts from Bob Vogal Ha ha ha . Take care Tworr and keep shoot'in. Dave
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Dr.Reb,
You are correct, I cant wait until the .58 Boomer comes. Reba ( Jacks Wife ) said about 3 + weeks or so.
I am getting a .58 Carbine Boomer Built. I am going to start with the 286 Grain round balls and the 433 Grain
Conical Bullet to start with. In the .50 DAQ Bandit , I will start with the 182 Grain round Balls and the 330 Grain
Conical Bullet and work from there. I am the only one from South Carolina to make the DAQ list. I can wait 6 weeks
to 6 months for the DAQ , But well worth the wait. After these 2 rifles I would like to get a .45 Ranger from Dan.
I will see. This New Big Bore thread is just what I have been looking for to understand and learn more about the
many different Big Bores and what each one has to offer. I am sure I will pick up a lot of information here from
Ammo to Hunting, And then some. I need to place an order with Bob V soon here so I will have what I need to
shoot the .50 & .58. I will proudly post the .58 Boomer and .50 Bandit , Once There here. I have to be real close
to having the .58 Boomer ship. I am looking forward to Reba calling and saying its ready ,so I can send the Balance
out. I am really pumped up about getting a Haley and a Quackenbush , I am still in shock. I will post more when I
have one in hand.
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled, U.S Army
Cleveland , SC
For sure Gary, we can't wait to see them and were glad to have you join us here on the GTA, who knows, maybe we can put together some BB shoots for all of us in the south, seems like there are quite a few of us interested in this region, J
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Dr Reb,
Count me in on a shoot in the south. I read that Tworr has positive things about the Haley .58 Caliber.
Bob V is where I will order my Lead from, He knows a lot on the products he designs and manufactures.
Jack got my USPS Money Order deposit ( $800 ) on 2/7/2011. Jack only wanted a $250 Deposit, But I
sent more so I have a smaller balance prior to shipping. Jack was cool and ordered the materials a week
before he got my deposit also. I was looking at a .58 Caliber " The Fifty Eight " from Dan M but it was
$1500 + and was too much for me right now. The 1038 FPE with a Bob V 820 Grain got my attention. I
will save up for another .45 Caliber next, A Haley .45 or a .45 Ranger . If you know Jack or Reba feel free
to ask how my .58 Caliber Boomer is coming out. Good things come to those who wait and I will not rush
a legend Rifle builder. The .45 Ranger ( Dan M ) has a 815 FPE with a 540 Grain Conical for a .45 that sure
is way more than my 909S. I will have to choose my next .45 Caliber Rifle carefully and see the one that
fits my needs.
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled U.S Army
Cleveland, SC
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Well we will definitely have to see what we can come up with, we have the potential to become the busiest bigbore forum online and what good would that be without a yearly or regional shoots? Also, i emailed Jack and Reba inviting them over, hopefully they will get a chance to stop in, it looks like quite a few folks on here will be using their guns,, i know i'm counting the days before mine arrives myself... :0 bunch of us are :)
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Dave - Aim for the heart!! I want my skull to be pretty for a Euro mount.
How lucky can a guy be to live in the same town and get to shoot with Seth? The cool thing is that I don't have to pay for shipping on the bullets I buy. Whoohoo!!
Events in the south..
The Arkansas Airgun show(second largest in the country) will be in April. Come on down and meet Dennis Quakenbush and Jack Haley at the show. They will be there and should have a Bigbore to sell. We also go on a hog hunt after the show on Sunday morning.
There is also a shoot called LASSO. Longrange Airgun Silhouette Shooters Organization - Here is a link to an older shoot meet.
http://www.bigboreairguns.com/lasso08.htm (http://www.bigboreairguns.com/lasso08.htm)
Bullets....
I absolutely love Seth's (Bigboreairgunammo.com) .458 Wide Flat nose bullet. It's a very accurate bullet and the ability to punch two holes is critical for a good blood trail. You can't ask for more penetrating power than that. I like Roberts hollow points, but I follow the thought in archery that a mechanical can fail to open and has a loss of energy that I don't want. I see this as an issue in hollow points. I don't want my bullet filling with hair and meat and not open or hit bone and lose a lot of energy and not make an exit hole. If I just hit a lung and have no exit hole, I've just lost the blood trail.
Like I said about the cup point above. Excellent expansion without a huge loss of energy. My test were in the rubber mulch and they increased to .50 caliber size.
That cup point is very shallow as you can see in this picture.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/Air%20gun%20bullets/DSCN0002.jpg)
He also has a poly tip coming out that should be awesome.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/temp/5366-1.jpg)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1297049543/How+about+this+Harry- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1297049543/How+about+this+Harry-)
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Dave - Aim for the heart!! I want my skull to be pretty for a Euro mount.
How lucky can a guy be to live in the same town and get to shoot with Seth? The cool thing is that I don't have to pay for shipping on the bullets I buy. Whoohoo!!
Events in the south..
The Arkansas Airgun show(second largest in the country) will be in April. Come on down and meet Dennis Quakenbush and Jack Haley at the show. They will be there and should have a Bigbore to sell. We also go on a hog hunt after the show on Sunday morning.
There is also a shoot called LASSO. Longrange Airgun Silhouette Shooters Organization - Here is a link to an older shoot meet.
http://www.bigboreairguns.com/lasso08.htm (http://www.bigboreairguns.com/lasso08.htm)
Bullets....
I absolutely love Seth's (Bigboreairgunammo.com) .458 Wide Flat nose bullet. It's a very accurate bullet and the ability to punch two holes is critical for a good blood trail. You can't ask for more penetrating power than that. I like Roberts hollow points, but I follow the thought in archery that a mechanical can fail to open and has a loss of energy that I don't want. I see this as an issue in hollow points. I don't want my bullet filling with hair and meat and not open or hit bone and lose a lot of energy and not make an exit hole. If I just hit a lung and have no exit hole, I've just lost the blood trail.
Like I said about the cup point above. Excellent expansion without a huge loss of energy. My test were in the rubber mulch and they increased to .50 caliber size.
That cup point is very shallow as you can see in this picture.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/Air%20gun%20bullets/DSCN0002.jpg)
He also has a poly tip coming out that should be awesome.
(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh178/waywood1/temp/5366-1.jpg)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1297049543/How+about+this+Harry- (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/message/1297049543/How+about+this+Harry-)
Wish I could come to the show and meet all those fine, folks includeing you and Seth. It sure would be good times for sure. Tworr that hog mount ya got turned ou to be super nice for sure congrats to ya. Seth sure is a great guy as well as Bob Vogal even though I have never met those folks in person. Sure are some mighty fine folks here in the airgun community. take care and Johhny Reb enjoy that new rifle your getting!!!
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It would be great if you could come down and go on the hunt with us!! Both Seth and Robert are really nice guys and believe it or not, they are good friends.
Maybe Robert will come down this year and I will get to meet him. How much fun would that be?!!
Yes congrats to JonnyReb on his new gun!! No matter what bullet you shoot in it, what ever you are hunting will wish you weren't using either!!!
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It would be great if you could come down and go on the hunt with us!! Both Seth and Robert are really nice guys and believe it or not, they are good friends.
Maybe Robert will come down this year and I will get to meet him. How much fun would that be?!!
Yes congrats to JonnyReb on his new gun!! No matter what bullet you shoot in it, what ever you are hunting will wish you weren't using either!!!
Tworr hush I'm crying.lol would love to be on that hunt for sure. Bob's crazy video's crack me up. I have talked with him and Seth several times. I love it when Bob teases Seth about I love Seth Tee shirts and pocket protectors in his viedo's.Hope ya all have a great show.
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Thanks Daveshooter and where do i find that video?
edit: kind of bad news but good opportunity for me, the seller, +1 guy,expressed his wish to keep his gun today( i think he offered this gun to me almost as a favor) in an email and i of course agreed. He's returning my money once he gets it(in the mail now) i hope, and i'll have lots of choices, i guess i need to start a "what kind of bigbore should i buy" thread but i think i better wait till i get my money back,, ;D Sorry for all the wasted congrats..
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Hi JR those viedos ore on Bob Vogal Web-sit called Mr. Hollowpoint. You can catch'em on youtube and the yellowforum. Sorry to hear about seller. I'd checkout Jack Haleys-Southernairguns line of rifles. Jack makes some nice stuff. Beautiful stocks,and all.
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Thats exactly what i'll do on both counts, Thanks Dave!! ;D
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Jeff,
Sorry for the disappointing news. Probably worse than a first breakup in high-school, LOL. We got past those, too.
Time for more research and the right deal to come your way.
Lloyd
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Sorry Jeff! You will find one , keep us posted
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Jeff,
Sorry for the disappointing news. Probably worse than a first breakup in high-school, LOL. We got past those, too.
Time for more research and the right deal to come your way.
Lloyd
Hi lloyd-ss,
Any new things ya can talk about in reguards to the Rogue and other calibers in the works. Thanks-Dave
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Hi lloyd-ss,
Any new things ya can talk about in reguards to the Rogue and other calibers in the works. Thanks-Dave
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Dave,
Wish I could say. I know they are working very hard in NY right now.
I think about the Disco and Marauder and how they have evolved in just a few short years. I would certainly think the Rogue will follow suite. Crosman listens to their customers (and the forums) and I would guess that after the .357 is firmly in tune, the next caliber(s) will be market driven. Bigger, smaller, anybody's guess. The platform has the capability of working well at both ends of the spectrum, but I personally love the bigger stuff. It really shines when it comes to air conservation with those air hungry calibers. But still, if you want 500fpe, its going to use 5 times as much air as a 100fpe gun.
Lloyd
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Hey Lloyd, thanks for the sympathy, actually i'm still not over my first break up in high school, i ended up marrying her and... i think God plays tricks on us sometimes lol shhh here she comes... :-*
j/kidding i hope she doesn't read that. the loss of that particular deal is ok, the buyer was having remorse before he even got his money and i've realized that shooting a gun, for me, may not be as fun as shopping for one, so i'm happily entertained for awhile, as i look for another. I REALLY just wish you could talk crosman into releasing a few Rogues to "we who love them most" here at the forum for some serious in the field reviews.. i know.. i know.. :-X seriously though, if i had the Rogue as an option right now, there would be no doubt, even if i had to sell a gun or two, it's what i would want and there, to me is the beauty of the coming gun, i have looked at every available avenue, and there is no other gun that gives me what the rogue could. I know i'm preaching to the choir but to have just a few of those features in one gun, lets take sound level, Ft'lbs and "made in the USA", that would be a choice worth having. Thats not even mentioning the many other one of a kind features. THis is where, naysayers aside, the entire bigbore market will have to concede that there is no comparable product with near as many features. I wish that option was on the table now.
In the meantime i'll keep looking at options but probably will just go back to a 909 for awhile with a nice power tune to get it north of 300ft/lbs. My old one was accurate and they are readily available with no wait. It's probably the simplest thing. Thanks for stopping in on the thread! Jeff
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Hi lloyd-ss,
Any new things ya can talk about in reguards to the Rogue and other calibers in the works. Thanks-Dave
Dave,
Wish I could say. I know they are working very hard in NY right now.
I think about the Disco and Marauder and how they have evolved in just a few short years. I would certainly think the Rogue will follow suite. Crosman listens to their customers (and the forums) and I would guess that after the .357 is firmly in tune, the next caliber(s) will be market driven. Bigger, smaller, anybody's guess. The platform has the capability of working well at both ends of the spectrum, but I personally love the bigger stuff. It really shines when it comes to air conservation with those air hungry calibers. But still, if you want 500fpe, its going to use 5 times as much air as a 100fpe gun.
Lloyd
[/quote]Lloyd Just curious how tough not to ask a stupid question are the electronics in the Rogue. I know you made or devloped the rifle for Crosman. I guess will they take a good jolt say in a hunting situation if a person takes a spill or tumble with the rifle or is a person out of luck if the electronics fail? Again not trying to give ya a hard time. As I too like the big stuff as well even though I don't own any at this time other than the 25 Mrod in which I love this puppy 25 Mrod that is. I have had a 50 cal Dragon Slayer in the past. I do know that other Powder Burner Companys in the past from muzzloader to Colt handguns to Remington have had some type of electronis bulit into their product line. Again not giving ya a hard time on the issue or matter. Daystate uses electronics in some of their airguns as I understand with pretty good results from what I've heard.
Again like an old cat curious i am. Thanks-Dave
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Hey Lloyd, thanks for the sympathy, actually i'm still not over my first break up in high school, i ended up marrying her and... i think God plays tricks on us sometimes lol shhh here she comes... :-*
j/kidding i hope she doesn't read that. the loss of that particular deal is ok, the buyer was having remorse before he even got his money and i've realized that shooting a gun, for me, may not be as fun as shopping for one, so i'm happily entertained for awhile, as i look for another. I REALLY just wish you could talk crosman into releasing a few Rogues to "we who love them most" here at the forum for some serious in the field reviews.. i know.. i know.. :-X seriously though, if i had the Rogue as an option right now, there would be no doubt, even if i had to sell a gun or two, it's what i would want and there, to me is the beauty of the coming gun, i have looked at every available avenue, and there is no other gun that gives me what the rogue could. I know i'm preaching to the choir but to have just a few of those features in one gun, lets take sound level, Ft'lbs and "made in the USA", that would be a choice worth having. Thats not even mentioning the many other one of a kind features. THis is where, naysayers aside, the entire bigbore market will have to concede that there is no comparable product with near as many features. I wish that option was on the table now.
In the meantime i'll keep looking at options but probably will just go back to a 909 for awhile with a nice power tune to get it north of 300ft/lbs. My old one was accurate and they are readily available with no wait. It's probably the simplest thing. Thanks for stopping in on the thread! Jeff
Hey Jr don't worry friend Shh won't tell the Mrs.lol- I know Dave Hush your mouth. Lol
You still in NC/ I think I remember talking at ya about my kin down in your neck of the woods and RWS 350's. Dave
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Yup, still here at the edge of a great monotonous plain... the piedmont they call it uuhgh, i need to go west. I do remember talking about the 350's, your memory is better than mine lol ;D
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Daveshooter,
this quote feature has me scratching my head 'cause I wanted to quote things from two different threads. Gave up and just cut and pasted........
Daveshooter quote-
"Lloyd Just curious how tough not to ask a stupid question are the electronics in the Rogue."
Dave- here's what I posted about that right after the Shot Show in January when someone else asked pretty much the same thing.
From Lloyd-ss post in Crosmangate Jan 24 or 25,2011=====
Good question, and I am expecting good longevity. My day job is an engineer for a marine navigation equipment manufacturer so I have a decent idea of what it takes to get a good MTBF in a harsh environment. The microprocessor is a proven commercial unit and the circuitry is straightforward. Nothing used is failure prone or too shock or vibe sensitive. The design is modular enough so that if needed, certain components could be replaced. In other words, its repairable. One thing I really like, is that Crosman is using a local house to manufacture the electronics. That house has taken a vested interest in the total success of the project. They are just as excited about it as Crosman is and Crosman is dealing with a house down the street, so to speak, instead of someone on the other side of the globe who would consider the quantities hardly worth the effort. This gun is about as 100% US made as you can get these days. That means something to me. I hope that answers your question.
Lloyd
Now, back to today---I think what this really shows is that a lot of folks are being pushed to the edge of, or out of, their comfort zone. But we all use cell phones and computers and drive cars with computers and fuel injection. A friend of mine has a 2011 Mustang (with 150HP nitros) that will do 10.70 in the quarter and he drives it to work every day, and gets decent mileage! Could that be done without modern electronics. No way!
Yes, the electronics are a big deal but I feel like its in very good hands at Crosman. They have a lot at stake and are committed to this like you wouldn't believe, from the number one man all the way down.
Another quote from you today Daveshooter:
"I know you made or developed the rifle for Crosman."
Dave- I did the preliminary development work and built several prototypes, but my protos were not in a manufacturable state. Crosman, and one gentleman there in particular, who I truly admire, has done a TREMENDOUS amount of work in bringing this from the ground up and making a solid, innovative airgun. If you asked my wife, or the wife of that particular engineer at Crosman, how many hours we have in this project, YOUR wives would know just how bad it can get, LOL. But i digress.
Lloyd
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Yup, still here at the edge of a great monotonous plain... the piedmont they call it uuhgh, i need to go west. I do remember talking about the 350's, your memory is better than mine lol ;D
Jeff,
We might not live too far apart. I'm about half way up in Va, about 15 minutes from the Blue Ridge Parkway, near I-64. You in the foothills or farther east in NC?
Lloyd
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Hey Lloyd, I'm in the Charlotte area but travel to Rochester N.Y. several times a year or more. Since i don't fly, i drive up I-77 to 81 and within 6 hours i'm eating a the 3rd best pizza place on the east coast in Berryville VA, near staunton, but i've motorcycled and camped the areas from the New Market on down and have family out torward Norfolk/deep creek area. So i have a good idea of where you are and no we're not that far away, 4 or 5 hours possibly. Next time i come up that way i'll let you know i'm passing through and buy you lunch 8) Jeff
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Jeff,
Small world. I grew up in Norfolk but live in Charlottesville now, about 40 minutes from Staunton.
Definitely let me know next time you are passing through. We can shoot a few shots, swap some barrels and try some different calibers. We might have to hook the laptop up to the gun to load a new program, though.
Lloyd
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the 3rd best pizza place on the east coast in Berryville VA, near staunton,
Jeff,
And what might that pizza place be??
Lloyd
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lol, you know Lloyd, i've been waiting a long long time to see a laptop hooked to a gun, i think it would be well worth the extra 40 minute drive from these guys.. http://www.brothers-pizzeria.com/ (http://www.brothers-pizzeria.com/) it was just the halfway point on my usual journey so i searched out the best highway food and these guys do it right. ;D I'll sure PM you before i head up that way in the spring, thanks for the invite, Jeff
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SPEECHLESS
That is all
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Daveshooter,
this quote feature has me scratching my head 'cause I wanted to quote things from two different threads. Gave up and just cut and pasted........
Daveshooter quote-
"Lloyd Just curious how tough not to ask a stupid question are the electronics in the Rogue."
Dave- here's what I posted about that right after the Shot Show in January when someone else asked pretty much the same thing.
From Lloyd-ss post in Crosmangate Jan 24 or 25,2011=====
Good question, and I am expecting good longevity. My day job is an engineer for a marine navigation equipment manufacturer so I have a decent idea of what it takes to get a good MTBF in a harsh environment. The microprocessor is a proven commercial unit and the circuitry is straightforward. Nothing used is failure prone or too shock or vibe sensitive. The design is modular enough so that if needed, certain components could be replaced. In other words, its repairable. One thing I really like, is that Crosman is using a local house to manufacture the electronics. That house has taken a vested interest in the total success of the project. They are just as excited about it as Crosman is and Crosman is dealing with a house down the street, so to speak, instead of someone on the other side of the globe who would consider the quantities hardly worth the effort. This gun is about as 100% US made as you can get these days. That means something to me. I hope that answers your question.
Lloyd
Now, back to today---I think what this really shows is that a lot of folks are being pushed to the edge of, or out of, their comfort zone. But we all use cell phones and computers and drive cars with computers and fuel injection. A friend of mine has a 2011 Mustang (with 150HP nitros) that will do 10.70 in the quarter and he drives it to work every day, and gets decent mileage! Could that be done without modern electronics. No way!
Yes, the electronics are a big deal but I feel like its in very good hands at Crosman. They have a lot at stake and are committed to this like you wouldn't believe, from the number one man all the way down.
Another quote from you today Daveshooter:
"I know you made or developed the rifle for Crosman."
Dave- I did the preliminary development work and built several prototypes, but my protos were not in a manufacturable state. Crosman, and one gentleman there in particular, who I truly admire, has done a TREMENDOUS amount of work in bringing this from the ground up and making a solid, innovative airgun. If you asked my wife, or the wife of that particular engineer at Crosman, how many hours we have in this project, YOUR wives would know just how bad it can get, LOL. But i digress.
Lloyd
Thanks Lloyd, again I wasn't trying to give ya a hard time. Sorry if it came across that way.
Sounds like you have done your home-work not to be funny. Yrs ago when I sold commercial electronic type/writers- Adler, Royal-and other electronic products, I had a boss whom would say electronics work or they do not work. Sounds like this airgun or product will fly if ya don't mind the pun. Again Thanks for your time and talking to me-Dave
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Yup, still here at the edge of a great monotonous plain... the piedmont they call it uuhgh, i need to go west. I do remember talking about the 350's, your memory is better than mine lol ;D
I don't know about my memory JR-lol yes somedays good and some better than others.lol
You shooting an 909? Thats a swamp-butt getter for sure.
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Dang Reb, sorry to hear your big bore deal fell through. Now we are in the same boat, looking and kicking tires. I'm sure we will both find the shooter we want it's just gona take some time.
Gary
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Hey Dave, i had a 909 until last fall when i swapped it for an AR6, now, as Gary said, we're kickin tires ;)
But as mentioned, i LIKE kicking tires, i've been studying every design available as well as looking at guns that can be modded.. i really have to say that i enjoy the search for something new as much as actually receiving it or finishing a modified gun. I really think i'm just going to go the simple route and try to find another used J Haley or just go with a korean gun, send it straight to a power tuner and enjoy it till i put my hands on a Rogue.
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Hey Dave, i had a 909 until last fall when i swapped it for an AR6, now, as Gary said, we're kickin tires ;)
But as mentioned, i LIKE kicking tires, i've been studying every design available as well as looking at guns that can be modded.. i really have to say that i enjoy the search for something new as much as actually receiving it or finishing a modified gun. I really think i'm just going to go the simple route and try to find another used J Haley or just go with a korean gun, send it straight to a power tuner and enjoy it till i put my hands on a Rogue.
Hey Jack, don't worry, me too 8)
I don't blame ya on that for sure. I use to have a Dragon Slayer in 50 cal. Got rid of it. Gonna get me like you another Big Boar someday. Those 909's are sure nice rifles. they got one coming out in a 50 cal for this yr. At least that is what I have heard.
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I've heard that to but i think(just my opinion ;)) that the .50 is just to darned slow. I wish they had made a .45 dragonslayer because the gun is beautiful but short of a caliber change, i guess i can't see it. The more and more i look, short of a Rogue, the 909 seems to be the best choice, a 909S this time, modded for just 3 or 4 shots, hopefully north of 300ftlbs. Personally i think it's one of the ugliest guns ever to hit our shores but maybe i'll camo it out to cover some of it up. Buther45's doesn't look so bad.
The only other option is the 201 fire, the 9mm version. It can be modded to 250ftlb's and has the black receiver, which is not as ugly as the silver one on the 909. The 9mm round is quite a bit faster and has a better trajectory but as it's not legal for deer in my state i guess the 909 makes the most sense.
Really, what else is there to choose from? Dragonslayer, Sam yang and semi custom guns. This is why i want that Rogue so bad, it opens up options these other guns don't have, no mods required, just a reprogram ;D
By april we'll hopefully be seeing the new line of imports from Korea, as well as pricing released on the Rogue. We may have some new choices in bigbore this spring as well as know how much saving we would have to do to secure a Rogue. It is going to get more exciting in BB, this is all fairly new technology no matter which gun you buy and this niche in the hobby is getting ready to go mainstream, the next few years are going to be a lot of fun if your into BigBore. 8)
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I have a Jack Haley "Jack Hammer" .457! I love it but... I just listed it for sale here on GTA. It's just too much for me here in upstate NY. We can hunt big game with them and I have a .25 Condor and a .25 Hunter Extreme to go after everything else. The gun is great though. You are going to LOVE yours. I'm not sure about the 300g at 830fps but it should be close. I have to air mine to 3800psi in order to get 2 great shots with 515g'ers...these are powerhouses! Enjoy man!
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Hey Mischief, the deal on mine actually fell through, thats quite a rifle you have there for sale, how LONG is that thing 8)
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,9297.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,9297.0.html) 54" i see it now, Wow looking good!!
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54 overall but it actually is pretty well balanced and shoulders great...you just don't want to hold it up too long...or use stix! ;)
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Well you have a beauty there for sure, i'll be surprised to see that one not sell by morning, ;D
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JR, funny thing about your first high school breakup. The woman who gave me my absolute WORST first date of my life has been my wife for the last 12 years. Go figure.
Last time I was up in Charlotte was 1998. I was up there for a Toyota Forklift factory training class.
The roads were ROUGH, but the food was great. I think i put on 5 pounds that week, all of it steak, seafood, ribs, and BBQ. So many baked sweet potatoes. So many. I stayed at the Blacklawn Holiday Inn, which had some pretty good food in the restaurant/cafeteria, BTW.
There was a seafood restaurant up there that had a good Mahi Mahi sandwich. What I'd give for one of those right now.
The Logans/Roadhouse Grill, can't remember which, was good then, too.
In my off time after classes, I hit every gun store in the phone book. Lot's of good window shopping.
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Hard to figure Jay, i keep telling myself it's fate ???
I'm not sure where the blacklawn Holiday inn is but i've sure been to the one on wood lawn, might be the one? Yup lots of good eats in charlotte, Especially after the yankees came down and started all the good pizza and italian resturants up. The greeks did (mmm souvlaki!) their thing and of course we're still somewhat of a BBq place. We have alot of diversity here and the food that goes with it. Logans is still a good place and your right, we have some good gun shops, you probably remember Hyatt's gun, it's still there and prospering with the highest prices in town :) j
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Well now i've had both Mr. Will Piatt of Korean bigbore tuning fame contact me and i had another surprise email from Reba Haley. Mr. Piatt is an awesome guy, as are all North Carolinians and he said that he can do anything i want done to a Dragon slayer, so that one is a go depending on finding a rifle. The email from Reba was short but sweet, "call me and we'll get you what you want" what more can you ask for than that? So i'm having a good time figuring this all out, calibers and barrel length's etc, I'll call her tomorrow and figure out some details. Like i keep saying, "the hunt for a new gun[or two!] is half the fun! 8)
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Well now i've had both Mr. Will Piatt of Korean bigbore tuning fame contact me and i had another surprise email from Reba Haley. Mr. Piatt is an awesome guy, as are all North Carolinians and he said that he can do anything i want done to a Dragon slayer, so that one is a go depending on finding a rifle. The email from Reba was short but sweet, "call me and we'll get you what you want" what more can you ask for than that? So i'm having a good time figuring this all out, calibers and barrel length's etc, I'll call her tomorrow and figure out some details. Like i keep saying, "the hunt for a new gun[or two!] is half the fun! 8)
Lol...I've spoken to Reba...short and sweet are NOT in her vocabulary when it comes to conversations with her.lol
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Awesome, thats what i'm hoping for. I want a very particular gun made.. i'm trying to figure that out now but the more thorough she is the better. I have a feeling that she's going to have Jack build me the PERFECT rifle, and an unsuspecting someone on here is getting ready to build me a custom stock ;D I'll tell ya'll what once i figure it out but i'm thinking .308 @200-225ftlbs, but with a shorter 24" barrel, maybe even less than that. I won't do a bullpup this time but i will with a 30" or longer tube someday. This will be a carbine though, for an BB anyways with maybe a gamo Socom stock copy out of some pretty wood., That stock is my favorite of all my AG's, and i'd love to have it in a big bore.
One thing is i keep looking at the .457 specs and thinking i should really go .45. I'll talk to Reba and figure it out, ;D J
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jack and Reba are great but...check out specs on the Ranger 45 from xpairguns.com
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Carbines are sweet, I'm leaning that way too lately
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Barrel length and noise ----- I'd like to hear some opinions---
Big power is always loud, and more-so with shorter barrels. I haven't been to any big bore meets, so I am wondering if any of you have noticed any side by side comparisons of loudness levels. Just casual observation, no real tests.
Is barrel length a big factor, or is it just one of many? Air pressure, caliber, brand, tune, etc.
BTW, I live in a wooded rural/suburban setting with 2 acre minimum lot sizes. Somebody in the vicinity squeezed off a couple of high powered rifle shots about dusk last night. Reminded me how our "loud" is pretty low key.
And jeez (sorry to ramble), is anybody else overrun with stink bugs? I'm in my garage and the warm weather has them dive bombing me. Swimming in my coffee cup. I pulled a box out of a cabinet and there were like 50 of them clustered behind it! My shop vac is filling up!
Lloyd
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I don't think that a few inches makes any difference in Big Bore noise, at least not noticeble by the casual observer
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I don't think that a few inches makes any difference in Big Bore noise, at least not noticeble by the casual observer
Got it. And with muffs or plugs, it really fades away.
Thanks,
Lloyd
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3/8/2011
Mr.Reb,
My Jack Haley .58 Caliber Boomer is finished. I will be sending Jack & Reba my $250 Final payment today via
USPS Priority mail. I am pretty sure I will have the .58 Caliber by the end of next week or by next weekend
at the latest if all goes well with shipping, Etc. I must order some 286 Grain Lead Balls and some 433 Grain
HP Conical Bullets for the .58 Caliber , And for the .50 Caliber DAQ Bandit I will order some 240 Grain HP from
Bob V without delay ( I have been waiting for the .58 to be ready before placing an order with Bob V ) by the
end of this week. I would also like to order some of the 182 Grain Hornady # 6093 Lead Balls in.495 from Wholesale
Hunter for $8.88 per 100 Qty. I am looking forward to owning the .58 Caliber Haley Rifle & the .50 Caliber Quackenbush
Rifle. These two Rifles are a great addition to my Air rifle Collection. I will post more when I have the Rifle and can
see how she shoots, Etc.
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled US Army
Jetman
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Wow Gary that seemed FAST!! I'll bet you can't wait, Reba was telling me about the "boomers" and they sounded like the were all short barreled .58's? Well in any event i'm thrilled for you and look forward to you starting a post on your gun, and to seeing some pics and hearing what you think of it, i'm jealous ;D
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Mr.JonnyReb,
The .58 Boomer Carbine has a 14" barrel. I talked to Reba today and she said my Rifle came out great. I cant wait until I
have it. The walnut stock is just beautiful. That is what Reba said to me today on her description of the action with the stock.
I have no doubt that a legend such as Jack Haley would turn out nothing short of an amazing usable Rifle with looks and function. I am looking forward to having maneuverability while carrying this .58 Caliber Carbine and the power such a compact Rifle has to offer. As I am disabled and this Carbine, Hopefully will give me the best of both worlds. Jack and Reba are also giving me some of Bob V. 286 Grain Lead Balls with the Rifle. I will have it by next week for sure. I myself, like Carbines for they are easy to tote around and are not so cumbersome in the woods. Mr JonnyReb next time you call Jack or Reba tell them that Gary Catania would like you to hear about the .58 Caliber Carbine Boomer Jack has just built for me. I like Rifles that are comfortable to carry, And to me one of the most important desideratum is shootability in a Rifle. I am waiting on my .50 Caliber DAQ Bandit now, I knew the Haley would be built in 3+ weeks , However the .50 Caliber Bandit will also be way worth the wait.
Gods Speed,
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled US Army
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I'm pretty darned happy for you Gary and all us want to see a "Boomer" i can promise you ;D Please post pics of it, i have no doubt it's a beauty. Reba said that all she would carry deer hunting is a Boomer, that they were Jacks creation for her and it seems like a 14" barrel was mentioned, she said she had 4 of them ;D, I love a carbine too, the shorter and lighter the better as i carry it A LOT more than i shoot it if it's a woods gun. Those short barrels come at a price though of reduced velocity and i wonder if you know how many foot pounds it's set up for or any stated velocity? Will you run it over a chrony? I'd love to know what a short gun like that would make, i was waiting till after the airgun show to order one, a buddy will be at the show checking the ones for sale out. I hope to join you in owning one of their guns soon and really look forward to hearing about your experience with yours. Were you going to hunt with it? Jeff
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Gary,
Congrats on the new Jack Haley Boomer. He has a well earned reputation and I am sure the .58 will serve you well. Keep those plugs or muffs handy!
Best regards,
Lloyd
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Mr.JonnyReb &LLoyd-SS,
Thank you both for positive words on the new .58 Boomer Carbine. Mr.JonnyReb you are correct in that Jack made the
.58 Boomer Carbine ( 14" Barrel ) for Reba so she could have a Powerful yet light and nimbol Rifle for Hunting, And that
is how the Carbine version of the .58 Boomer was originally brought to production. The Carbine .58 Caliber shooting a
433 Grain Conical Bullet will produce a FPE in the 400-450 Range. With a 286 Grain lead Ball it is about 270 FPE or so.
I will be Talking to Reba and Jack so I will confirm correct numbers. I got just what I was looking for in a .58 Carbine,
Powerful and Light to carry. I have been looking at Dan M. long action Ranger .45 (.452 ) with the 36" Barrel and 815 FPE
with a 540 Grain Bob V. Conical Bullet and The Fifty-Eight with a 36" Barrel and 1038 FPE with a 820 Grain Conical Bullet
by Bob V. Wow, Now I really like the Long Action Ranger .452 its got some nice Energy. I will post pictures of the Haley
.58 Boomer Carbine as soon as I have it in my hands. This will be a great compact Hunter for me. Until the next time
gentlemen, Have a great week for what is left of it. I look forward to posting picks soon of the .58 Carbine Boomer.
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled US Army
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Here she is : This is in the subject box of the E-Mail Reba / Jack sent with my pictures.
Mr.JonnyReb,
I got pictures of the Haley .58 Boomer Carbine from Reba today. My Final payment will be at Jacks
this Friday by USPS Express Mail. Jack / Reba will ship my .58 Carbine on this Friday afternoon or
Monday if the mail shows up to late for Jack to Ship it out to me. I say I will be shooting her by
the middle to end of next week. I will have 286 Grain Bob V Lead Balls from Jack and I have 433
Grain Conical Hollow point Bullets from Bob V also. Reba said the Rifle looks shorter than it really
is. The sun came out for a few minutes today at Jacks, So Reba said Jack grabbed the .58 and
mounted a Scope so I can see what it looks like and then went outside and took two pictures in
the sun while it was out. Here is my Haley .58 Boomer Carbine in Jacks back yard. I will take my
own Pictures once the .58 is home here in the Mountains of South Carolina only 2 1/2 miles from
North Carolina. Mr JonnyReb , Reba said she talked to you about a Haley Rifle, And to call her back
and that she would work a deal out for you on the Haley Rifle of your choice.
Jetman / Gary Catania / Disabled US Army
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Holy Smokes Gary thats beautiful! ;) I think i want one of those... perfect lines, gorgeous stock... i sure want to hear how it shoots, it looks like a masterpiece and i'll bet you can't wait to lay your hands on it. Heck i can't wait to lay MY hands on one, truly just the picture on that gun is plenty enough for me to justify the Crosman Rogue in .357 and go big with the Haley, .58 sound big to me ;D
Thank too for saying "hi" to Reba for me, i'll be in touch with her soon, after the AG show is over. Make sure and write about every aspect of your gun and experience with it Gary, guns like your will help to really expose the possibilities of bigbore, who could see one of those and not want to know more about it? Keep em coming Gary, 8) Jeff
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Mr.JonnyReb,
Thank you, It is a really nice .58 Carbine. I cant wait to shoot it, And see how it shoots with different ammo.
Reba got my final Payment today so it will be shipping out to me today, Looks like I will have it a little sooner
than I thought. Now I need to place my order with Bob Vogel for my .50 & .58 Caliber Lead. I am still in shock
that I own a Haley Rifle. I will take notes of how I shoot and with what lead projectile I use and the conditions
at hand, Such as current weather, Etc. I will keep track of every aspect of the .58 Boomer to pass on to others.
Please keep me posted if there ever is a Southern Shoot / Get together for Air Gunners. I think The .357 Rouge
is a Air Rifle that will change the Air Gun industry with its technology it has to offer. I forget that there are big
companies such as Crosman that have R & D in process all the time to make the sport more enjoyable. I also
find the .357 Rouge as a Rifle I would like to own down the line. The computer controlled shots for greater
shots per fill and the three settings for the fps. All of it is amazing features in a Big Bore Air Rifle.
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We will definitely put a shoot together for those interested in the Southeast and don't forget about Genes shoot in May, it's in S.C. and there will definitely be Bigbores on site as well as airguns of every caliber, it will be a great shoot.
I think that you'll find a lot of people will be interested in the .58 Haley, there are not many of them around and you'll probably provide the influence for others(me ;D) to check them out closer. On the other hand Gary, it sounds like you have a couple of possibly equally impressive guns coming, maybe i'd better wait till you check them all out, your gonna be doing a lot of shooting and a lot of writing i hope, you'll be able to give great comparisons between them all.
I'm really looking forward to Rogues release too, seems to me like the perfect suburban coyote gun, J
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Jonny,
I may I ask what you had to pay for the privelidge of joining the Jack Haley Big Bore Club? Thanks,
Craig
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Hi MM, further into the post you'd see that the seller had a bit of remorse over the deal and i had just spoken with Mrs. Haley about building me a gun, the original deal fell through. The range of prices however,, seems to be from $650-1200.00 for their guns, depending on the level of stock in a lot of cases. The do have less expensive Bigbores than that, these use many parts off a QB rifle so as to save money for those more cost conscious or for those who need a lower powered gun. I would not hesitate to call the Haleys with the number off their website, Mrs Haley will pick right up or call you right back and tell you anything you want to know about their guns. 8) J