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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: Tomcat on February 10, 2015, 01:37:19 PM
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I am lusting for a new airgun. I'm looking at the HW50s, primarily because of the size and weight of this rifle. I already have several very nice springers, including a HW30s in .177, a HW97K in .177, and a TX200 in .22 cal. I would like a little more power than the HW30, although it will be mostly a plinker and paper puncher.
All the guns I have are plenty accurate, but the weight of the HW97 and TX200 keep me from enjoying them as much. I also know from researching the rifles, that many suggest moving on to the HW95 rather than the HW50s, but the extra weight puts me off. I think size/weight of the HW50s would be about perfect.
My main question is regarding the "heavy" cocking effort of the '50. How does it compare to the hw97 or TX200, or a Diana 34, for example? I have shot all of them, and am familiar with their feel. As stated, the weight is the thing I object to. FYI, I am in my early 70's, so weight is becoming more of an issue each year. My little HW30 if great, but I just want a more satisfying smack when I hit my target. ;)
Any insight or experiences you can share will be appreciated.
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I've been shooting my HW50s for a couple of years and I wouldn't say that it's difficult to cock. It's a nice size with ample power. RC
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Thanks, Randall. Have you any experience with the others I mentioned as a comparison?
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The HW97 and TX200 have heavier cocking than an HW50. Have been shooting a pre-safety HW50s as well as its bigger cousin HW35Dlx, which have the same cocking linkage, without problems except some wear, for decades. Your HW30 has this linkage too. Have read that the newer ones may have or develop cocking difficulties from a too tight link pin or lack of lube. ARH sells a wear reducing insert for the cocking link of these models.
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My 50S with a JM kit is about the same as my 34 with Vortek kit.
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Long barrel HW35 is IMO a better choice than the 50's
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Terry, Jim and Scott, I thank you all for your input. I wish there was somewhere I could get my hands on some of the choices.
Terry, I am happy to hear your comparison to the 97 and TX. Is your 50s the same as the current offerings or is yours the older version which is reportedly lower power, (if I understand correctly)?
JimL911, how would you say the 50s with the JM kit compares to the stock version of the 50s?
Thanks Scott, I'm sure the 35 would be a nicer rifle, but the price is considerably higher. I am more comfortable in the price range of the HW50s at the present time. I should just be happy with what I have, lol.
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Thanks, Randall. Have you any experience with the others I mentioned as a comparison?
Yup, got both an R-9, and an R-7. The 50s is a solid piece of work, and I shoot it more than the other two. RC
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Thanks, Randall. Have you any experience with the others I mentioned as a comparison?
Yup, got both an R-9, and an R-7. The 50s is a solid piece of work, and I shoot it more than the other two. RC
Thank you.
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Here is my 50S, the only .22 rifle I own, with a Tech Force 3-9x scope, 3 screw one piece mount by Hammers. I reworked the dovetails for the front sight so that I could install a muzzle brake. Can't focus on open sights anymore. RC
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Here is my 50S, the only .22 rifle I own, with a Tech Force 3-9x scope, 3 screw one piece mount by Hammers. I reworked the dovetails for the front sight so that I could install a muzzle brake. Can't focus on open sights anymore. RC
Very nice! I like the muzzle brakes. I have one on my HW30s also.
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The JM kit makes it a little easier than stock.
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I have a beeman R6 (HW99S/HW50S) easier to cock than my marksman 72 (forerunner to the HW95) never been a problem, can plink all day
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Thanks JimL and Joek. I appreciate the response.
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I've seen these 'difficult to cock' comments and I don't think my unturned HW50S was anymore difficult to cock than was my pre-tune Diana 34.
I expect my tuned HW50S will be just as easy to cock smoothly as is my tuned Diana 34 once I get her back from air gun tuner Lee aka Shootist.
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I've seen these 'difficult to cock' comments and I don't think my unturned HW50S was anymore difficult to cock than was my pre-tune Diana 34.
I expect my tuned HW50S will be just as easy to cock smoothly as is my tuned Diana 34 once I get her back from air gun tuner Lee aka Shootist.
Thanks Greg. I have previously owned a Diana 34, and sold it not because of the cocking effort, but because of the weight and overall length. It just was not comfortable for me to hold and shoot. I think the HW50s would be better suited for me in the size/weight category.
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It's not that the 50 is difficult to cock. It's the amount of effort to cock it for the power level that is the downside. The same effort to cock a 16 fpe gun in a sub 12 fpe gun is why the 95 is recommended over the 50S.
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It's not that the 50 is difficult to cock. It's the amount of effort to cock it for the power level that is the downside. The same effort to cock a 16 fpe gun in a sub 12 fpe gun is why the 95 is recommended over the 50S.
Thanks JimL, the cocking effort is not as important to me as the weight and length of the rifle. My HW97 and TX200, while on the top end of what I like for cocking effort, are not unmanageable. It is the holding while shooting offhand that I find difficult. If the 50s is as light or lighter cocking than the 97, TX or D34, I think I could be happy with it. I find the HW30s to be very easy cocking and just want a little more "oomph" ;D.
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Sorry, i hit the wrong button above. I just have a case of the lusts right now. I surely don't need another airgun, and if I resist and procrastinate long enough I will be off on another tangent and want something else, lol.
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I'm guessing not many of us here need another gun, but don't let your want if the 50s fade. They are great rifles. I've had mine for about nine years now, rock solid and fun to shoot. About two years ago I refreshed it with a PG2 kit. Made a great rifle even better.
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I'm guessing not many of us here need another gun, but don't let your want if the 50s fade. They are great rifles. I've had mine for about nine years now, rock solid and fun to shoot. About two years ago I refreshed it with a PG2 kit. Made a great rifle even better.
Thanks Mulby. I'm still wanting the 50s. It's the size, weight and accuracy that is so appealing. I dislike long rifles, always favoring carbine length. I did see AOA has a special on the 35E, which sounds like a great deal, but the size and weight is up there for what I happen to like. The walnut stock would be beautiful, I bet.
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Well, I did it!! Ordered my new HW50s. I appreciate everyone's responses and I hope I made the right decision. I ordered .177 cal, as I will be punching paper and backyard targets of opportunity. I don't plan to do any hunting with it.
I will post some pics when I receive it.
Thanks again, everyone. Have a great day!
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Congrats! I think you'll be very pleased with your new shooter. RC
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After reading your first post I had to respond too. I also had the exact idea-size /handling and power. My first gun was a tuned R9 and I got rid of it within 4 months. It shook the screws loose and was extremely hold sensitive(915fps with a 7.9gr premier). Just not a fun gun. I understand now adays there are better tunes to smooth it more. But I learned from it and 7.2lb listed then adding a scope ring set and scope (not a large scope mid you) pushed the darn thing almost 9lbs. My next Springer i rebuilt and used a Maccari kit was FWB 124. Again about the same size and weight, BUT the power was 815fps (100fps lower than the R9) and it was not hold sensitive. It didnt shake screws loose either. I still sold it off though because carrying it in the field was a bear . I didnt use a sling as I like carrying rifles. This all lead me to the idea of a slightly smaller lighter gun with similar or almost the same power. Hence the HW50s. GREAT GUN. Mine was in 22cal and it was fully tuned .It generated 600fps with a 14.3 gr JSB Express.No hold sensitive and deadly accurate just like my R7 (Which I love). IF I got it in 177cal it would put it just about on par with the FWB 124 as tuned 50s go just over 800fps. Its 6.8lbs,40.5". too .Now the cocking is more than the FWB 124 but heres what you can do. Make sure you put on a nice long muzzle brake which will assist leverage making it easier to cock. Also Vortec makes 3 differant power levels and Im sure JM can supply a kit that can turn down a bit of that power. A full tune is very very important. I know its expensive usually costing almost the price of the gun but when you understand all the things done ,it makes that gun run smoother, quieter, tighter ,and wear the minimum -its surely worth it. Im talking Sunnen Hone the cylinder, button the piston,deburring ,custom spring guide, trigger tuned,hardened steel pins etc. I even had my factory stock touched up with the finger groove routered into the forestock and real cut checkering to make the stock fancy--( Top gun in picture) .
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Congrats! I think you'll be very pleased with your new shooter. RC
Thanks Randall. I hope so, too. I'm excited to get it now that I have finally made a decision.
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After reading your first post I had to respond too. I also had the exact idea-size /handling and power. My first gun was a tuned R9 and I got rid of it within 4 months. It shook the screws loose and was extremely hold sensitive(915fps with a 7.9gr premier). Just not a fun gun. I understand now adays there are better tunes to smooth it more. But I learned from it and 7.2lb listed then adding a scope ring set and scope (not a large scope mid you) pushed the darn thing almost 9lbs. My next Springer i rebuilt and used a Maccari kit was FWB 124. Again about the same size and weight, BUT the power was 815fps (100fps lower than the R9) and it was not hold sensitive. It didnt shake screws loose either. I still sold it off though because carrying it in the field was a bear . I didnt use a sling as I like carrying rifles. This all lead me to the idea of a slightly smaller lighter gun with similar or almost the same power. Hence the HW50s. GREAT GUN. Mine was in 22cal and it was fully tuned .It generated 600fps with a 14.3 gr JSB Express.No hold sensitive and deadly accurate just like my R7 (Which I love). IF I got it in 177cal it would put it just about on par with the FWB 124 as tuned 50s go just over 800fps. Its 6.8lbs,40.5". too .Now the cocking is more than the FWB 124 but heres what you can do. Make sure you put on a nice long muzzle brake which will assist leverage making it easier to cock. Also Vortec makes 3 differant power levels and Im sure JM can supply a kit that can turn down a bit of that power. A full tune is very very important. I know its expensive usually costing almost the price of the gun but when you understand all the things done ,it makes that gun run smoother, quieter, tighter ,and wear the minimum -its surely worth it. Im talking Sunnen Hone the cylinder, button the piston,deburring ,custom spring guide, trigger tuned,hardened steel pins etc. I even had my factory stock touched up with the finger groove routered into the forestock and real cut checkering to make the stock fancy--( Top gun in picture) .
Hello, and thanks for responding. I, too, started out thinking I wanted the HW50s in 22 cal, but as I researched them and thought more about the shooting I do, I decided the .177 would suit my needs better. I agree, a tune will probably make the gun much smoother and quieter. After checking the accuracy and deciding if everything is OK, I will probably do a polish and lube tune here at home. If that doesn't work out well enough, I will try either a Vortek or JM kit.
So far, I have been able to just smooth things up and make a new spring guide and get things running to my satisfaction. Might not be the best, but it suits me, as I have never shot a rifle that was professionally tuned. That might ruin me for doing my own work. ;D
Again, thanks for the information. Have a great day!
Tom
BTW, I like what you did with your stock, and the muzzle brake is a great idea for aid in cocking the rifle.
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I think you made a great decision!
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I think you made a great decision!
Thanks. I got some great news also. I just ordered it today, and it is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I'm only about 100 miles from PAir. Really excited to see it.
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I think you made a great decision!
Thanks. I got some great news also. I just ordered it today, and it is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I'm only about 100 miles from PAir. Really excited to see it.
We too..., you know how to upload pics right ;)
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I think you made a great decision!
Thanks. I got some great news also. I just ordered it today, and it is scheduled for delivery tomorrow. I'm only about 100 miles from PAir. Really excited to see it.
We too..., you know how to upload pics right ;)
I may have to work on it a little, but I think I can upload pics. Waiting for the Fedex truck now! ;D ;D