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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: StevenG on February 03, 2015, 08:56:10 AM
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What size is the barrel OD?
I think I might have ordered the wrong LDC from TKO, I picked the XS60 option, but that says 14mm. Just want to know if I need to contact them about a possible screwup.
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I would call Mike at TKO before he ships it. The TKO phone number is on the website.
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I believe the barrel size is 14.4 mm for the gen 1 and 1.5. I got this information from tri-5-Ron. Thanks again Ron. I have since measured mine with calipers and it is the same. Let us know what you think of the tko when you get it.
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I just did not want to waste his time.
I sent him an email about it. Had to email him anyway as I forgot to specify caliber, might have had a touch much rye when I ordered.
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I don't think OD changes with caliber. If it did, you wouldn't be able to swap barrels. Just a thought.
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I did not think it did. I just figured the hole in the endcap probably varied with caliber.
So in the same email where I specified caliber I made it clear it was an FDPCP and I was not 100% sure my selection on barrel size was correct.
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Wow, he already replied.
From: "Mike Tiehen"
To: "Steven Green"
Sent: Tuesday, 3 February, 2015 9:35:43 AM
Subject: Re: forgot to specify caliber
Yes , the TKO LDC you ordered will fit that rifle.
The bbl. is actually 14.385 mm.
.177 it is.
Now the hard part starts, the waiting.
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Let us know how it fits!
How do TKO brakes generally fit? I've got a first gen FDPCP I picked up last year that (sort of) came with a TKO. The previous owner pretty much ruined it trying to drill out one of the setscrews on the mounting piece and using some sort of pliers to try and twist it off. Would have been nice if that damage had been disclosed.. >:(
Anyway, the mount for the TKO is all that's left on the gun and think I'm going to have to go at it with a dremel to get the remains of the one grub screw and probably remove the barrel and tap it off with something. It doesn't look glued but that sucker is TIGHT! The way it is I don't think you'd ever have been able to remove this TKO without damage and I don't think that's normal, is it?
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Let us know how it fits!
How do TKO brakes generally fit? I've got a first gen FDPCP I picked up last year that (sort of) came with a TKO. The previous owner pretty much ruined it trying to drill out one of the setscrews on the mounting piece and using some sort of pliers to try and twist it off. Would have been nice if that damage had been disclosed.. >:(
Anyway, the mount for the TKO is all that's left on the gun and think I'm going to have to go at it with a dremel to get the remains of the one grub screw and probably remove the barrel and tap it off with something. It doesn't look glued but that sucker is TIGHT! The way it is I don't think you'd ever have been able to remove this TKO without damage and I don't think that's normal, is it?
I have heard getting them on involves a block of wood and a rubber mallet. I would image removing them would be the reverse of that process. Drill hole in wood, slide down removed barrel until you hit the device and then pound with mallet. I would probably use a step bit and run it into a thick enough piece to get a fairly profile matching hole. I am sure there are better ways, but I am just thinking about the tools I already have.
As a service to the community you should at least consider airing your complaint about the seller in the correct part of our forum. If he does that to you, who knows what he will do to the next guy.
I marred the end of my .177 barrel trying to move the sight back to see how that changed its lead collection abilities. The steel screw does not take many removals and installations before it strips out the plastic it is in. So now I have a nice scratch from trying to move the sight back when I thought the screw was fairly loose and it was not. The TKO will cover that up.
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Let us know how it fits!
How do TKO brakes generally fit? I've got a first gen FDPCP I picked up last year that (sort of) came with a TKO. The previous owner pretty much ruined it trying to drill out one of the setscrews on the mounting piece and using some sort of pliers to try and twist it off. Would have been nice if that damage had been disclosed.. >:(
Anyway, the mount for the TKO is all that's left on the gun and think I'm going to have to go at it with a dremel to get the remains of the one grub screw and probably remove the barrel and tap it off with something. It doesn't look glued but that sucker is TIGHT! The way it is I don't think you'd ever have been able to remove this TKO without damage and I don't think that's normal, is it?
Think I saw one TKO that was heated and then installed, as it cooled it shrank to fit.
OP - what's the cost and let us now how well it installs and works.
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I have 4-5 of them and they fit as you would expect them too. Snug yes, but never requiring tools.
Great product and service with TKO!
CW
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Be sure to check/verify a consistent diameter on you barrel. Both of my FDPCPs had a slight flair at the very tip. You couldn't see or feel it, but calipers showed it was there. It's not so much an issue with something that needs shimmed onto the barrel, but it could definitely ruin the day on a tight fitting TKO.
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It was $78. I will update on how I like once I get it.
Now I need to find a bipod. Mike keeps claiming these are $100 pcps, but for some reason mine is way more expensive than that.
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It was $78. I will update on how I like once I get it.
Now I need to find a bipod. Mike keeps claiming these are $100 pcps, but for some reason mine is way more expensive than that.
Funny how that works.
I've got a couple of the Caldwell bipods. Indexed/locking legs but no other advanced features. For me, they work great.
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How did you mount them?
I was looking at a harris one, but not sure about that yet. I have a shooting stick, so I might just get a rest for the table in the basement.
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Weird - I ordered one last night too Steve and was going to ask the same question. I saw on an earlier post that someone ordered the 14mm for the qb79 and it was a tight fit he said so hopefully ours is a little looser. I want to take it off before I go to ranges to avoid any attention as the outdoor one I go to is frequented by police.
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Were you also drinking rye?
Yeah, I would like to be able to slip it off if needed. Simply easier not to have to explain.
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As a service to the community you should at least consider airing your complaint about the seller in the correct part of our forum. If he does that to you, who knows what he will do to the next guy.
I should have at the time. This was 6+ months ago, probably longer and at the time (and still) I've been up to my neck in parental health issues. When I saw the unmentioned damage to the TKO and some other scope mount rash on the action and the broken crosshairs in the scope (which COULD have been done shipping) I just stuck it in the back of a closet. At this point I could still let the seller know about it but it's kind of late in the game to bring it all up. I should stop carping about it and move on.
I will let the seller know what was deficient in his listing though. There were other positive parts of the deal that lead me to believe he wasn't scamming, just not looking at what he was selling as a buyer would.
Cwlongshot, Thanks. I don't have anything else with a TKO or other brake that isn't clearly a slip-on so thanks for confirming that a TKO should go on and off without tools unless otherwise noted.
StevenG, that is pretty much exactly how I plan to remove this TKO stub once I'm sure the grub screw is away from the barrel. :)
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How did you mount them?
I was looking at a harris one, but not sure about that yet. I have a shooting stick, so I might just get a rest for the table in the basement.
They clamp onto the sling stud. So you will need to install one of those first.
I have 2 and move them around as needed.
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Were you also drinking rye?
Yeah, I would like to be able to slip it off if needed. Simply easier not to have to explain.
On my 1389 I was worried as the barrel doesn't really extend enough to reach the grub screws. So I was gonna chop some off the TKO. But when I put it on it was a perfect snug fit and doesn't even require the screws to function. PLUS I can fit it into the case easier without the TKO.
CW
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My Gen. 1 in 0.22 has a TKO on it.
All most Hollywood,
The hammer strike then the IMPACT strike.
Would love to also put one on my Gen. 1.5 in 0.177
But,
I'd like to find a cheaper one that also works
$0.02
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Anyone know how fast they ship?
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I think they ship regular USPS with a 3-5 day lead time before shipping.
http://www.tko22.com/shipping.html (http://www.tko22.com/shipping.html)
I do not yet have mine, but based on their websites shipping page I don't think I will get it until next week.
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I think they ship regular USPS with a 3-5 day lead time before shipping.
http://www.tko22.com/shipping.html (http://www.tko22.com/shipping.html)
I do not yet have mine, but based on their websites shipping page I don't think I will get it until next week.
They are not super fast, but not radically slow either. They answer quick with any questions and make a quality product.
CW
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I figure I will wait until Friday, and ask about it then if I don't get it before.
Do you think this will make it quiet enough to need a depinger? So far the shot is so loud I have never heard any ping from the airtube.
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I figure I will wait until Friday, and ask about it then if I don't get it before.
Do you think this will make it quiet enough to need a depinger? So far the shot is so loud I have never heard any ping from the airtube.
I get the "ping" in my disco with a 7.5 TKO. But Its NOT offensive and doubt its herd much past the shooter. I kinda like it. :)
CW
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did you just order the fd on his website? or did you email him?
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did you just order the fd on his website? or did you email him?
You mean the TKO? I ordered that via the website then I emailed him as I forgot to indicate caliber and wanted to make sure I picked the right one.
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No, mike. Do you like yours so far?
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The short:
I love it, everyone should own one.
The long:
My Gen 1 has some rough spots, the bolt to receiver fit is poor. That is fixed in Gen 1.5, and one day I will sleeve my receiver or install some buttons to center it.
I had a leaky poppet, but Mike was fast to send out a new one. That is again fixed in the Gen 1.5, since they have the Gen 2 Valve.
This was my first adult airgun, I had no trouble taking it apart to install the new poppet. If you ever played with legos as a kid, did any major car repair, or work in a field that has any hands on work at all it will be pretty easy for you to do.
I weigh a whopping 150lbs, I sit at a desk 90% of my day, and pumping to 1500 psi is a breeze. Does not even get the heart rate up, unless I were to shoot it all the way down to empty. Which I never do. I pump to 1500psi and shoot to about 900psi. Less if I remember my shot count :)
I bought a .177 Gen 1 and a .22 barrel for it with every intention to swap them as needed. My only regret so far as been not getting two of them. I will if I can swing it get a Gen 1.5 and my Gen 1 can become a dedicated .22 gun. First I want a chrony, but I just bought that TKO so maybe next month.
The pump comes with instructions that might as well be a prank. If you are at all mechanically inclined you probably won't need the instructions, if you need them there are some on Mikes website that are pretty good.
When I bought mine I emailed Mike and he said to send a paypal with what I wanted and my address in the notes field.
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You can use a credit card though right?
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You can, but PayPal charges a fee for that. I think he also takes USPS money orders and maybe even checks. I would call and ask.
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You can use a credit card though right?
YES no [problem.
REMEMBER when using PP. They are NOT AT ALL GUN FRIENDLY!! Be vague and use phrases and adrevations "we" will understand. I like to start with "Your GTA friend" then model numbers of other things not recognizable as anything gun relative. But of coarse that the seller will understand. Otherwise email them separately with instructions and refer to your vagueness on PP. ;)
Pay pal will allow non members use as well, but you need to use tour credit card. I have used it for many years taking pmts from members and non members alike. Its quick easy and secure all you need is a internet connection.
CW
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I have used them for airgun stuff for a while and some firearms stuff, how not gun friendly are they? I believe, just never had a problem.
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I have used them for airgun stuff for a while and some firearms stuff, how not gun friendly are they? I believe, just never had a problem.
I don't want to scare anyone...but accounts have been frozen closed and cancelled. I have had one good friend this happened to and spoken to a couple others. I am NOT talking anything illegal here either! They really are RABIDLY anti gun people. Knowledge is power, just better to be safe than sorry I like to say.
Generally speaking I avoid such folks but need this service so I try to fly under the radar.
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I hate to side with anyone like that, but I bet if you are running a service like paypal the legal risks are huge. We see this in our business all the time, there are things we would love to help customers with, but sometimes the risks are simply not worth it. They might also just be nutters.
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I finally got the tko installed and the change is massive. Not silent, but better. I can finally shoot in the basement without hearing protection. I think if I had less hammer it would work even better. I hope to get a 1.5 to put it on and another for this gun in .22.
It did take 3 weeks to get, but with this weather and the XS60 based airguns not being the most popular I think that is pretty good.
Personally the plastic construction is a plus, proves it is not meant to be something it is not.
Another "one for the everyone" should have one column. To those who say it costs a big portion of the guns cost all I can say is that it is well worth it to me. I am sure for you guys in florida and california who can shoot outdoors all year it matters a lot less than it does to me in my basement.
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Installed mine also - screwed on easily. It is very quiet - prob one of my quietest air rifles so far. The issue is the lack of a front sight, anyone got any links to someone who manufactures them? Don't want to chop the stock sight off!
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Mike has extra front sights. Just cut one and glue it on.
Mine is very quiet if I keep the hammer strike down, if you max it out it starts to get a bit louder. Nothing like it was before.
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Being the cheap guy I am, I just made a sight out of a Lowes paint stick I found in my garage:
(http://i57.tinypic.com/nei8mp.jpg)
(http://i60.tinypic.com/4gt8qx.jpg)
Cheap and a bit flimsy, but it works great! My groups at 12 yards are less than a quarter inch, almost hole on hole shots with open sights. I know this isnt even taking advantage of the potential of the gun but its amazing how easy it is to shoot the FDPCP compared to my springers!
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One of the Allen screws in my tko is not turning. The hole in the tko is fine, but the Allen key spins in it. I have moved it only once. It is nicely centered it seems, but still makes me a bit uneasy. Might be my cheap Allen tools.
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I didn't even bother screwing those in and just tapped it a bit so the friction holds it. I doubt it'll come off - just been shooting with my ghetto front sight and it didnt lose zero once.