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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Minuteman on January 27, 2015, 01:08:12 PM
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I have a Smith&Wesson M&P 45 CO2 pistol and I enjoy shooting it more than just about any other gun I own. I am improving my pistol shooting skills just blasting soda cans. I have my eye on picking up a 1911 style blowback pistol, possibly a Colt Commander or a Blackwater 1911. Tanfoglio also has some interesting offerings. I am fine with shooting BBs. Any words of advice on these guns?
I am wondering how many others enjoy these cool replica guns, whether pistols or rifles. Let hear from you and see your stuff! 8)
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I enjoy replica guns. I own a Crosman C41 and love shooting it for fun.
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I have the Colt Defender compact style, and the PO8 Luger. Both great fun and more accurate than I expected. I may end up with other replica BB pistols.
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I had a Walther PPQ with a rail and a Walther dot sight that for some insane reason I sold last summer. ??? I'll have to get another. It was a fun gun to shoot.
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Yeah I have a few also..the Swiss Arms 1911 which is a blow back and functions just like the real 1911... a PT-85 and the Dan Wesson .357 which is a fun little shooter. I'm looking at the Colt SA revolver which is supposed to be out soon which would go well with my Walther/Winchester lever rifle.
These guns can help with training for the powder burner versions too.
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Yeah I have a few also..the Swiss Arms 1911 which is a blow back and functions just like the real 1911... a PT-85 and the Dan Wesson .357 which is a fun little shooter. I'm looking at the Colt SA revolver which is supposed to be out soon which would go well with my Walther/Winchester lever rifle.
These guns can help with training for the powder burner versions too.
I have a Ruger Blackhawk PB which would make getting the Colt SA a great addition. Maybe this summer. Right now I am on a 1911 kick. I used to own a Springfield Armory 1911. Another gun I regret selling. I really need to use more caution about what I sell. I'm what you might call a compulsive seller, rather than a buyer, although compulsive buying may well fuel the habit. Either way, it's a slippery slope! ::)
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Have the Mauser M712 select fire machine pistol. Pretty impressed by it is as I have a true Mauser Broomhandle in 9mm and side by side the BB gun 'looks' real.
All metal outside and the grips may be plastic but are really solid plastic. Umarex really seems to be taking the Legends series well seriously.
BZ
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Have the Mauser M712 select fire machine pistol. Pretty impressed by it is as I have a true Mauser Broomhandle in 9mm and side by side the BB gun 'looks' real.
All metal outside and the grips may be plastic but are really solid plastic. Umarex really seems to be taking the Legends series well seriously.
BZ
Is that true full auto, or is it burst mode?
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I have had several pistol replicas in the past five years. My favorite was a Makarov from Umarex, but it started leaking CO2 and Umarex said they would not fix it (WHY???) , so now it is just sitting in a drawer >:( Now, they offer a new blowback Makarov, but I'm not buying anything else from Umarex.
I got this one (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A_FBR2y5TyA/VMfa3U9hoqI/AAAAAAAABM0/Sbslv7AX8es/s720/IMG_3055.JPG)
two years ago to practice quick drawing from the holster (hence the rub-off paint on the slide) and shooting multiple targets for my USPSA matches. It is a blow-back pistol (Makarov was not) and I like it very much. It is very realistic, heavy, and fairly accurate to actually help me improve my PB performance.
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Have the Mauser M712 select fire machine pistol. Pretty impressed by it is as I have a true Mauser Broomhandle in 9mm and side by side the BB gun 'looks' real.
All metal outside and the grips may be plastic but are really solid plastic. Umarex really seems to be taking the Legends series well seriously.
BZ
Is that true full auto, or is it burst mode?
True select fire. Holds 18 steel BB's. Semi-auto or flip the selector switch and let them all fly ;D
It will keep running the action when out of BB's so you have to listen to a sound change.
BZ
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I have had several pistol replicas in the past five years. My favorite was a Makarov from Umarex, but it started leaking CO2 and Umarex said they would not fix it (WHY???) , so now it is just sitting in a drawer >:( Now, they offer a new blowback Makarov, but I'm not buying anything else from Umarex.
I got this one (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-A_FBR2y5TyA/VMfa3U9hoqI/AAAAAAAABM0/Sbslv7AX8es/s720/IMG_3055.JPG)
two years ago to practice quick drawing from the holster (hence the rub-off paint on the slide) and shooting multiple targets for my USPSA matches. It is a blow-back pistol (Makarov was not) and I like it very much. It is very realistic, heavy, and fairly accurate to actually help me improve my PB performance.
Very nice, Mr S. The 1911 is one sexy gun!
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Have the Mauser M712 select fire machine pistol. Pretty impressed by it is as I have a true Mauser Broomhandle in 9mm and side by side the BB gun 'looks' real.
All metal outside and the grips may be plastic but are really solid plastic. Umarex really seems to be taking the Legends series well seriously.
BZ
Is that true full auto, or is it burst mode?
True select fire. Holds 18 steel BB's. Semi-auto or flip the selector switch and let them all fly ;D
It will keep running the action when out of BB's so you have to listen to a sound change.
BZ
Does the PB version lock back after the last round? Most BB blow back guns lock after the last, so I am wondering if this is just being faithful to the real deal.
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Have the Mauser M712 select fire machine pistol. Pretty impressed by it is as I have a true Mauser Broomhandle in 9mm and side by side the BB gun 'looks' real.
All metal outside and the grips may be plastic but are really solid plastic. Umarex really seems to be taking the Legends series well seriously.
BZ
Is that true full auto, or is it burst mode?
True select fire. Holds 18 steel BB's. Semi-auto or flip the selector switch and let them all fly ;D
It will keep running the action when out of BB's so you have to listen to a sound change.
BZ
Does the PB version lock back after the last round? Most BB blow back guns lock after the last, so I am wondering if this is just being faithful to the real deal.
My 9mm Mauser does, but it is semi-auto only.
I have no idea on the real select fire Mauser the Nazis used in WWII and the Umarex M712 is based. I never got to fire one or have even seen one in real life and I've been blessed to shoot some real rare class III weapons.
I can only answer the Umarex M712 does not keep the bolt open after the last BB.
BZ
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Have the Mauser M712 select fire machine pistol. Pretty impressed by it is as I have a true Mauser Broomhandle in 9mm and side by side the BB gun 'looks' real.
All metal outside and the grips may be plastic but are really solid plastic. Umarex really seems to be taking the Legends series well seriously.
BZ
Is that true full auto, or is it burst mode?
True select fire. Holds 18 steel BB's. Semi-auto or flip the selector switch and let them all fly ;D
It will keep running the action when out of BB's so you have to listen to a sound change.
BZ
Does the PB version lock back after the last round? Most BB blow back guns lock after the last, so I am wondering if this is just being faithful to the real deal.
My 9mm Mauser does, but it is semi-auto only.
I have no idea on the real select fire Mauser the Nazis used in WWII and the Umarex M712 is based. I never got to fire one or have even seen one in real life and I've been blessed to shoot some real rare class III weapons.
I can only answer the Umarex M712 does not keep the bolt open after the last BB.
BZ
Thanks. It's pretty easy to tell when the mag is empty by the sound. My Smith makes a louder pop. It does not blow back since it uses an 8 round rotary mag.
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Oh man, I am so getting the M712! This gun is beast! :o 8)
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Oh man, I am so getting the M712! This gun is beast! :o 8)
Warning: It eats CO2 LOL!
Buy the carts in bulk…you will need to!
BZ
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Oh man, I am so getting the M712! This gun is beast! :o 8)
Warning: It eats CO2 LOL!
Buy the carts in bulk…you will need to!
BZ
I don't doubt it. Hopefully there will be a mod for bulking. You'd need a 20oz tank with a belt harness minimum! :o ;D
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I am switching over to replicas. No more springers, gas pistons, or pumpers. I am not into modding. I prefer a gun that is fun to shoot, is reasonably accurate and the most important part, fun to shoot and just own. I enjoy just sitting and watching tv with a replica in my hand. Some folks get their jollies squeezing every last ounce of power out of their guns. Others aren't happy unless they can shoot dime sized groups at 50 yards. Others just like to show off their expensive guns, whether they can shoot them well or not. Some folks are just magicians who can take a gun and mod it into incredible works of mechanical art. I am none of the above. I like guns that are simple, yet look cool. I don't want a gun that needs to be torn apart to make it better. C.E.F.G.W. (Close Enough For Government Work) pretty well describes me. No, I am pretty much clueless when it comes to mechanical skills and knowledge. I'm not a prolific shooter either. I may go for days without even picking up a gun. I shoot when the urge hits. Modding for me is adding sights, rails, grips, etc. So to me replicas fit my style and expectations of having fun. Plus it's a cheap way to get my hands on guns whose PB counterparts are beyond my finances to afford.
So, on to more fun and less boredom!
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Silent,
I had to double check the signature on your Post. I thought maybe l wrote it in my sleep. I used to compete in various shooting sports but now I'm Just like you. Although I still like and use my springers. There are several replicas in my future.
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Silent,
I had to double check the signature on your Post. I thought maybe l wrote it in my sleep. I used to compete in various shooting sports but now I'm Just like you. Although I still like and use my springers. There are several replicas in my future.
I hope to keep what I have, a couple gas rams, some Chinese rifles, and 2240s, but that depends on money. The nice thing about replicas is their lower relative cost. I can afford one a month or so, depending on how much they cost.
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I have the Walther PPK, Umarex S.A. 177 Glock, and Sig P226 X-Five. I got my eye on the new Colt Peacemaker.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/sixshootertexan/Air_zpsifvtmhvp.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/sixshootertexan/media/Air_zpsifvtmhvp.jpg.html)
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I have the Walther PPK, Umarex S.A. 177 Glock, and Sig P226 X-Five. I got my eye on the new Colt Peacemaker.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/sixshootertexan/Air_zpsifvtmhvp.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/sixshootertexan/media/Air_zpsifvtmhvp.jpg.html)
The Sig 226 is on my short list. How do you rate it?
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I like it. Feels just like my real P229. It actually weights 2oz's more than my P229. Can be fired both single and double action. Has as good recoil to it.
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I like it. Feels just like my real P229. It actually weights 2oz's more than my P229. Can be fired both single and double action. Has as good recoil to it.
I read somewhere that the finish wears off easily. How has yours held up?
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I've had it for over a year and put about 1000 rounds through it and it still looks good. I keep it in a old camera bag I have so it's not just laying around getting banged up. I'm sure if I had a holster for it to practice drawing it would wear quickly.
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WOW it fits right in my P229 holster. Snaps right in just like it was made for it.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/sixshootertexan/Air%20001_zpsxn6uzpgz.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/sixshootertexan/media/Air%20001_zpsxn6uzpgz.jpg.html)
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I've had it for over a year and put about 1000 rounds through it and it still looks good. I keep it in a old camera bag I have so it's not just laying around getting banged up. I'm sure if I had a holster for it to practice drawing it would wear quickly.
Thanks for the info. I've watched the video reviews that dude up in Canada does. Replica Airguns. He does some pretty thorough reviews. He seemed to really like the 226.
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WOW it fits right in my P229 holster. Snaps right in just like it was made for it.
(http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e330/sixshootertexan/Air%20001_zpsxn6uzpgz.jpg) (http://s42.photobucket.com/user/sixshootertexan/media/Air%20001_zpsxn6uzpgz.jpg.html)
Wow, sure looks like the real thing.
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I have never gotten into the replica airgun thing. Personally, I like air guns because they are airguns, not because they imitate (in looks only, from far away) some firearm or another. I think I have been turned off by the few replicas I have held. Parts that are supposed to move on the original firearms just sit there, molded into the replica. They just look and feel so fake, like a toy. And every replica trigger I have fired, ugh, horrible ... totally horrible. It's like designers have mandated that replicas have the worst triggers possible.
Also, I have a lot of firearms so I don't necessarily want a replica of something I already have that's the original. I reload everything so ammo is not a problem. But I like air guns too. My last two trips to the range I took nothing but air guns. They don't look anything like a firearm. They look like airguns. Which is fine with me. Firearms and air guns are both great. One doesn't need to try to imitate the other, IMHO.
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I have never gotten into the replica airgun thing. Personally, I like air guns because they are airguns, not because they imitate (in looks only, from far away) some firearm or another. I think I have been turned off by the few replicas I have held. Parts that are supposed to move on the original firearms just sit there, molded into the replica. They just look and feel so fake, like a toy. And every replica trigger I have fired, ugh, horrible ... totally horrible. It's like designers have mandated that replicas have the worst triggers possible.
Also, I have a lot of firearms so I don't necessarily want a replica of something I already have that's the original. I reload everything so ammo is not a problem. But I like air guns too. My last two trips to the range I took nothing but air guns. They don't look anything like a firearm. They look like airguns. Which is fine with me. Firearms and air guns are both great. One doesn't need to try to imitate the other, IMHO.
I hear ya on the cheap ones. Horrible triggers, cheap feel and ironically lacking in the realistic department.
However, the more realistic ones are great trainers, especially for children or people who have very little firearms experience. It allows them to become familiar with the concepts of how a semi-automatic handgun works and safe handling techniques without the threat of serious injury or possibly worse. Also, its low threat to the new shooter and gets them comfortable more quickly when its time to upgrade and begin training on the PB version.
I think Umarex has heard your complaint about the cheap and lacking realism part and I can say it takes a fair amount to impress me with a BB gun version of a PB. The M712 I got for Christmas REALLY impressed me. Its build is all metal, its weight and feel are like my PM Broomhandel and having fired many sub-machine guns and machine pistols they got pretty close to the experience. The only difference is the BB gun version of the M712 doesn't climb much when firing and the smooth bore barrel does effect accuracy. My favorite thing about the M712 is if you want to hit cans on full auto at 20-25 feet you have to shoot in short controlled bursts...just like a real sub-machine gun or machine pistol. My oldest son was just emptying the clip every time he was shooting it and hit nothing. When I was firing I was getting the cans. He asked "How are you doing that"? I said "Short Controlled Bursts Son, here let me show you" And the training begins ;)
BZ
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Well, beggars can't be choosers. As I stated before, I like replicas because that's the only way I can get my hands on firearms that I cannot otherwise afford living on a fixed income. I can't go to a gun shop and plop down hundreds of dollars for a nice 1911 or a Sig. Heck, I can't even afford the ammo. So before you start looking down your nose at something, you might want to ask yourself what you would do if a replica was all you could afford. It's better than nothing. I swear I am probably the poorest airgunner on the forums. I'd love to be able to buy a nice PCP or a high end gas ram, but that just isn't going to happen. So I shoot junk. Better than nothing.
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More and more firearm instructors are using these and their airsoft versions for training because they are so close to the real ones at a fraction of the cost.
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A word to the wise (someone had to say it):
I have a Beretta 92FS air pistol that is virtually identical to its 9mm big brother. This gun is a work of art and a joy to own and shoot - I love this gun. But I treat it with the same respect that I would a real fire arm. I exercise safety measures and precautions as required by law and as dictated by common sense. Because it looks so realistic, I am especially careful to avoid displaying the gun to an open public in fear that it might be mistaken for the real thing (which it most certainly would). On the other hand, I am proud to show and share it in private with trusted friends. It is a great conversation piece and an accurate shooter and something that I will pass on to my son someday. Although replica air guns are far less deadly than fire arm counterparts, if misused they can get you just as dead. As for me, I see more replicas in my future.
AR
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So before you start looking down your nose at something, you might want to ask yourself what you would do if a replica was all you could afford.
I'm not looking down my nose at anything. I'm sorry if you got that impression. I was just stating my preference for "an air gun that is an airgun". The replicas I have held, admittedly inexpensive ones, have failed in the airgun part of things. They were terrible airguns (the specific ones I have shot - the cheap ones - I cannot comment on others). I was only commenting on my lack of desire for something that shoots poorly that is trying, usually unsuccessfully, to look like something else. It has nothing to do with the expense of the thing. I have a cheap Beeman P17 and cheap Crosman 1377. They both shoot exceptionally well IMHO. But they're not trying to replicate the look of something else. They look like themselves. I'm into function over aesthetics, not aesthetics over function. Regardless of price point. I said nothing about price, nor did I look down my nose trying to imply somebody was poor or anything like that. I'm sorry you took it that way, but that's not what I said.
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So before you start looking down your nose at something, you might want to ask yourself what you would do if a replica was all you could afford.
I'm not looking down my nose at anything. I'm sorry if you got that impression. I was just stating my preference for "an air gun that is an airgun". The replicas I have held, admittedly inexpensive ones, have failed in the airgun part of things. They were terrible airguns (the specific ones I have shot - the cheap ones - I cannot comment on others). I was only commenting on my lack of desire for something that shoots poorly that is trying, usually unsuccessfully, to look like something else. It has nothing to do with the expense of the thing. I have a cheap Beeman P17 and cheap Crosman 1377. They both shoot exceptionally well IMHO. But they're not trying to replicate the look of something else. They look like themselves. I'm into function over aesthetics, not aesthetics over function. Regardless of price point. I said nothing about price, nor did I look down my nose trying to imply somebody was poor or anything like that. I'm sorry you took it that way, but that's not what I said.
Sorry, man. It's just a sensitive subject for me. I'm used to earning my money, now I have to take full time care of my terminally ill wife and I can't work a full time job. My kids help out, but it's not the same.
I can see where you drew your conclusions about replicas now that my eyes aren't crossed! ::) Replicas are getting better, with full metal and working levers etc. The Sig 226 field strips just like the real steel, as do some of the better 1911s. Check out Replica Airguns on Youtube. You might be pleasantly surprised.
I too have a P17, and a couple 2240s, as well as some gas rams. They all shoot well, and I plan to keep them. I'm just trying to recapture the fun of being a kid with a 'cool' gun. It's all good.
Peace to you.
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A word to the wise (someone had to say it):
I have a Beretta 92FS air pistol that is virtually identical to its 9mm big brother. This gun is a work of art and a joy to own and shoot - I love this gun. But I treat it with the same respect that I would a real fire arm. I exercise safety measures and precautions as required by law and as dictated by common sense. Because it looks so realistic, I am especially careful to avoid displaying the gun to an open public in fear that it might be mistaken for the real thing (which it most certainly would). On the other hand, I am proud to show and share it in private with trusted friends. It is a great conversation piece and an accurate shooter and something that I will pass on to my son someday. Although replica air guns are far less deadly than fire arm counterparts, if misused they can get you just as dead. As for me, I see more replicas in my future.
AR
You bring up some good points that should be followed even with air soft. Never point it in the wrong direction and practice safe shooting. As for displaying a gun, I agree. My Smith MP 40 has a recessed barrel, and in the right light you cannot tell it from a PB. Definitely never point it at a cop! :o
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I agree it's very important we airgunners should be very careful with the way we transport, store, and use our airguns. Especially with the things that went on and that we've seen in the media in the last few months. None of us would want to loose the privilege of owning and shooting airguns.
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Sig is starting to produce pellet firing co2 and PCP guns built on the AR-15 design.
They used a belt fed magazine.
Available in .177, 22, and .25
http://www.airgundepot.com/shot-show-2015-sig-airguns-stoeger-airguns-article.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/shot-show-2015-sig-airguns-stoeger-airguns-article.html)
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Sig is starting to produce pellet firing co2 and PCP guns built on the AR-15 design.
They used a belt fed magazine.
Available in .177, 22, and .25
http://www.airgundepot.com/shot-show-2015-sig-airguns-stoeger-airguns-article.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/shot-show-2015-sig-airguns-stoeger-airguns-article.html)
Wow, those are cool. But, I am already cringing about the price tags. I imagine them to be high. I hope I'm wrong, but time will tell.
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I have been praying for that type of replica for sometime now...the only thing to add to the wish list is select fire, internally suppressed, run on HPA and accurate!
BZ
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According to the articles, they MAY be in the $200 price range..
Sign me up...
Since it's an airgun the suppressed may be an option.
But it wouldn't matter to me..
My ar15 is loud enough with the Yankee hill 5m1 muzzle brake.
So any air gun noise level would be welcome
I have been working on a dedicated .22LR upper for my ar-15.
So an airgun with the same ergonomics would be welcome.
Depending on how the internals are designed, selective fire may be dooable.
Some of the gas blowback air soft guns that are selective fire use the same design as a regular m4 fire control group, just made of weaker components, so they couldn't be used in a real firearm, but that brings into the wear and tear factor.
I had a gbb PDW that internally on the lower, was a dead ringer for a m16 arrangement.
And could count on replacing some parts every 1000-1500 shots due to the weaker materials.
I can't wait...
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According to the articles, they MAY be in the $200 price range..
Sign me up...
Since it's an airgun the suppressed may be an option.
But it wouldn't matter to me..
My ar15 is loud enough with the Yankee hill 5m1 muzzle brake.
So any air gun noise level would be welcome
I have been working on a dedicated .22LR upper for my ar-15.
So an airgun with the same ergonomics would be welcome.
Depending on how the internals are designed, selective fire may be dooable.
Some of the gas blowback air soft guns that are selective fire use the same design as a regular m4 fire control group, just made of weaker components, so they couldn't be used in a real firearm, but that brings into the wear and tear factor.
I had a gbb PDW that internally on the lower, was a dead ringer for a m16 arrangement.
And could count on replacing some parts every 1000-1500 shots due to the weaker materials.
I can't wait...
Speaking of automatic airguns, like the Drozd or the M712, even the EBOS, I can't help but wonder how long they will hold up under the punishment of full or even burst fire. I suppose if they were made out of the same steel as a PB gun they'd last just about indefinitely, but one must wonder about the cheap metal used in these guns. I wish I could afford a Drozd Blackbird right now. They are becoming scarce, but I wonder if it would be wise to buy a gun that most likely will have no support or even spare OEM parts available. Seems like a gamble to me. I know there are aftermarket custom parts, like barrels and such. Thoughts anyone?
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The Drozd blackbird is the funnest airgun out of the 18 I own. Also kind of expensive to shoot (88 gram co2).
Getting back to the OP, I have several replicas pistols that are a blast to shoot and are best suited for my indoor 20' range. Walther cp99and cp88 for pellet. Dan Wesson 2.5 and Tangfolio 1911 in bb. Realistic and inexpensive to shoot.
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I am switching over to replicas. No more springers, gas pistons, or pumpers. I am not into modding. I prefer a gun that is fun to shoot, is reasonably accurate and the most important part, fun to shoot and just own. I enjoy just sitting and watching tv with a replica in my hand. Some folks get their jollies squeezing every last ounce of power out of their guns. Others aren't happy unless they can shoot dime sized groups at 50 yards. Others just like to show off their expensive guns, whether they can shoot them well or not. Some folks are just magicians who can take a gun and mod it into incredible works of mechanical art. I am none of the above. I like guns that are simple, yet look cool. I don't want a gun that needs to be torn apart to make it better. C.E.F.G.W. (Close Enough For Government Work) pretty well describes me. No, I am pretty much clueless when it comes to mechanical skills and knowledge. I'm not a prolific shooter either. I may go for days without even picking up a gun. I shoot when the urge hits. Modding for me is adding sights, rails, grips, etc. So to me replicas fit my style and expectations of having fun. Plus it's a cheap way to get my hands on guns whose PB counterparts are beyond my finances to afford.
So, on to more fun and less boredom!
I know this thread is old / but your story is very similar to mine ! I just ordered the Tangfolio Witness 1911 replica / I plan to get several replicas in the near future ! From the reviews of most of the replicas most are doing an outstanding job with realism
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Ive always wanted a real schofield, I could buy a PB replica, but no place to shoot..Im thinking this is my next purchase with pellet shells...Nickel with fake plastic grips...several good reviews....