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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: jps42 on July 27, 2010, 10:33:38 PM
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The rws 350 feurkraft has a barrel 4 inch shorter than the 350 magnum. Should this cause any difference in power or accuracy. I am trying to find a gun for hunting up to 60 yards and long range plinking at 80 yards or more at large targets. What else would be a good choice under 400.
Jason
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Really no power difference. 4 " in a springer barrel is hardly worth mentioning. Other members probably know more of the facts on this but as a rule it does not make a big difference with springers in my opinion.
As far as accuracty goes logic speaks for itself. If the barrel is longer and you are using iron sights it would make a difference on target aquisition. I would think that a longer barrel would be prefered for long shots but I am no expert on this. Hopefully others will chime in on your question. Good Luck
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The barrel on the 350 Feuerkraft is actually almost 1/2 inch longer than the 350 Magnum. The 350 Feuerkraft Pro Compact's barrel is 3 1/2 inches shorter than the 350 Magnum. The 350 Feuerkraft is on sale at Airguns of Arizona for $269, which is the best price I've ever seen for this rifle. As far as using it for hunting at a distance of 60 yards I must ask, what kind of groups are you capable of shooting at that distance?
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i know i am not that accurate yet. But i want a gun that is accurate enough so equipment is holding me back. Also would the benjamin discovery be a better bet. i am just worried how loud it is.
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i just know noticed the barrel i must have red it wrong. so the rws 350 Feuerkraft is essentially the same gun on a diffrent stock and thats all. If i do get the 350 i well probobaly get it tuned from someone.
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The Discovery is a whole other animal. It is a PCP that has about 19-21 Foot-Pounds of Energy. It can also run on CO2 but with a lot less power. The 350 has a bit more power (22-24 FPE) but not that much. Watch Paul Capello's 2 part video review of the Discovery on pyramydair.com to learn more about this rifle and what is involved with owning one. And yes, the 350 is a beast, but can be tuned to become more docile. I installed a Vortek PG2 kit in mine and tuned the trigger (although the stock trigger is not bad) and I can now shoot it with CONSISTENT accuracy. IMO, consistent accuracy is what is most important, especially for hunting. I think the Feuerkraft that AOA has for $269 is an extraordinary deal, but understand, for most people the Discovery will be much easier to learn how to shoot with accuracy. If you go with the Feuerkraft you will need to practice a lot before you are capable of dispatching game humanely.
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What type of game are you hunting out to 60 yards? 60 yard hunting shots with a magnum spring rifle could be difficult at best and would require lots of practice to attain that type of proficiency. The shorter barrel will have minimal impact on the muzzle velocity. Spring guns don't need long barrels to obtain maximum velocity. The shorter barrel would more likely affect the overall balance of the rifle( maybe good or bad) and that could make off hand shooting easier or more difficult. If you don't have experience shooting with magnum springers, I suggest buying a lower power model and practicing your technique. Many people make the mistake of buying a magnum springer as their first air rifle cause of high velocity and energy claims, only to find they can't hit much with it outside of 25 yards. If you really want to shoot that far right away, consider a entry level PCP, like the Discovery.
JMO
Nathan
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Hey jps. In my opinion, you can't go wrong with the 350, no matter which one you get. Just so long as you set it up right.
I'll bet i had 2000+ shots through my 350 before i found a good combination of mounts and scope. It ate 5 different scopes before i found one to hold(wally world 4x16 centerpoint) and my mounting didn't work out well until leapers(utg) came out with the special mount for the rws guns with the lip for the rail to stop slippage, its a weaver style with droop compensation built in.(model DN460).
I went through many many pellets till i found 2 it really liked, a 20.5gr. predator and the jsb jumbo 18.1. Once i learned how to shoot her well, i spent quite a few hours at our local range shooting at 100yards. I have erased my pics of those 100yard targets but i remember most were in the 4inch range for 5 shot groups. Not exactly fantastic shooting, but i remember thinking that i could easily make a decent hit on a crow at that range. Not that i would... but. I could.
At 50 yards it is not to difficult to do a sub 2inch group. Lots of folks could do even better. I drink to much coffee.
Truly a wonderful gun, although a bit long and heavy. J
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z252/xxjonnyrebxx/Picture072.jpg)
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Couple of other things to keep in mind. I think 60 yards is a stretch for any springer, and most PCP's, IMO. You'll need lots of dedication to get in the kind of practice required to be able to take game at that range humanely, especially with a beast like the 350. I had one awhile back, it's the rifle that started my 3 year sojourn on the Dark Side. IF you decide to get one, you may well find that you NEVER get comfortable with it, look at the YF Classifieds. Lots of 350's for sale a lot of the time. It's really not a fun gun to shoot for most people.
All else being equal, optimal barrel length for springers is somewhere around 12", believe it or not. The spring piston power plant just doesn't produce enough air volume to utilize a longer barrel. About the only time a longer barrel is an advantage on a springer is like Gene said, when using open sights, thus getting a longer sight radius. Lots of guys that have cut barrels down got velocity increases, as well as improved accuracy. The down side to a short barrel is muzzle weight, since they're lighter, they tend to be twitchier. This is usually dealt with by installing a longer shroud on a short barrel, ala the TX 200. Considering that a standard 350 is about 4 FEET! long, I'd go with the compact. I find that my standard 34 is a little too long at 45", while my R9 at 41" or so is perfect. Later.
Dave
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i think i well probaobaly just buy a discovery. knowing that it well be easier for me to shoot accuratley in a hunting situation. How loud is it though as long as it isnt as loud a 22lr its no problem. could yall recomend a budget springer though that i could learn the basics of tuning springers, and be able to take 35 yard shots at squirrel and such.
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crossman phantom 80 bucks don't let the price fool you , replace the trigger with a charlie and its very accurate thanks david
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Thanks whould debburing everything also help. Also what scope would you recomend for that rifle.
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get a m48 in .22cal its a much smoother shooting rifle than a 350 can ever be and it has a whole lot shorter piston travel time its a much more accurate rifle at any range and just a better rifle all round! can be had from Man Venture for around 300$
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thats another gun i was looking at. the only thing i didnt like about the 48 is that its trajectory isnt as flat. i well probabally use springers for around 45 yards then use a pcp for past that. so for know i well probably get a rws 34p and a disco, along with walmart phantom to learn tuning and then upgrade later on. or would the 48 be a good spring gun to learn with and i wouldnt need to upgrade later.
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The RWS 350M is a awesome gun . I have no problem shooting it, all my shots are offhand and at 40 yards I can hit a can.(easy) Paul Capelo (sp?) has a video of him shooting 100 yards w/ a RWS 350....pretty impressive.
It's a great accurate gun and everybody needs a MAGNUM springer. BTW... RWS to cut cost were putting chinese barrels on their guns. Make sure you get a German gun & barrel.
Good luck
Take a look ...100yd offhand shooting
http://www.youtube.com/user/pacapello (http://www.youtube.com/user/pacapello)
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what do you mean the tajectory isan't as flat? my 350 mag in .22cal only shot 800fps with cp's my 48 shot 840's with cp's out of the box! so I don't know where you got that one, don't believe the #s on the box. I've had these guns and have shot them alot and the 350 is nothing more than a 34 with an elong gated compression tube, and what you get from that is a longer piston travel time and spring that will cause you to have alot more variables from the time you pull the trigger untill the pellet gets out of the barrel, it not an efficent design and it doesn't have any velocity advantage over the 48 or 460 which IMHO are the best AG's RWS currently makes they produce the same or more power than a 350 and are much smoother to shoot and are more user friendly than a 350, the only thing the 350 has going for it is its a break barrel gun thats it, you can't go wrong with a 48 or 460 in .22cal believe me.
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Someone show me how to shoot pellets with sauerkraut ;D
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i think i well get the 48 propably after i get a med powered springer to learn about spring tuning.
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the RWS model 48 gets my vote here. Buy it and shoot a lot and down the road do or get a major tune job. It shoots well without it and even better with it. I have a model 48 in .177 calibre and it is a real joy to shoot. Have a 350 magnum in both .177 and .22 calibre with the .22 tuned. The model 48 is nicer shooting for me.
You might look at a Tech Force 89 and a tune up from the start. Really nice rifles. I have one of those in .22 calibre and I will most likely keep it over the 350 magnum as a springer complement to the Evanix Blizzard I love shooting.
No matter what you get you can shoot and resell without losing too mucn in the deal. I recently got a RWS Model 34 panther and quickly got rid of it. Just did not suit me at all. The guy who has it now loves it. Different horses and all that.
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what did you not like about the 34 out of curiosity.
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I did not like how harsh and buzzy the thing was. Sharp edges on the plastics I would need to smooth/file down. Also, it did not fit me like the RWS model 48 does. Just not a good fit for me personally. As I said, the friend who has it now loves the rifle.
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hmm. Well i plan on getting a 48 or 460 later on just first i need to tackle the midpowered spring and learn to shoot them accuratly.