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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: SpiralGroove on January 16, 2015, 03:10:49 PM
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Hey Guys,
I have a recommendation for Hatsan/HatsanUSA. Make the open sights used on the Galatian available on all their springer's and drop the Optima 3"x 9" scope ;). The front sight would have a finer (thinner) Hot Pink (Tru-Glo) pointer and the rear sight would allow "open sight" shooters to bring out the exceptional accuracy hidden away in Hatsan springer's 8). The Galatian's two sights I'm referring to can't be very expensive and would only be in-line with the quality of their Model 85, 95 and 125/135. Right now, buyer's are stuck with very marginal open sights or a scope that is pure fecal material :P.
My Two Cents...............
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Absolutely.
I don't understand the logic of supplying a toy scope with a quality rifle in the first place.
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My recommendation would be to offer the wood stock with the QE line of rifles. The lack of wood was nearly enough to steer me away from the rifle altogether.
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Don't expect them to take that suggestion up to soon bro. Don't get me wrong, that would be nice, just maybe not too practical for them to do.
To use the sights that come on the Galatian I believe they'd have to make the breech block a little wider & machine it to fit, & those sights aren't as cheap as their usual springer open sights, so the price of the gun would go up, or they'd have to absorb the cost.
Honestly I'd prefer they improve on the quality & design of their optics.
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Hey Mikeflys,
You could buy the AT44-10 Wood and then add the QE for $100. Got my AT44-10 Wood (.177) for $385 & $317 respectively (Long/Short). I will make my own LDC's, but could send them to Hatsan and have 'em QE'd for $100 each. I may do this is my "Home Brew" stinks :o.
Hey Mod90,
Yeah, the (Galatian) receiver, sight attachment would have to be reworked to fit 11mm dovetails, but that shouldn't require an engineering revelation from Hatsan. I would think it would be a (net) cost saver to just drop the Optima scope, and make open sights equal to the accuracy of the gun. Right now, IMHO their probably spending more money and definitely producing a functionally, inferior gun.
I would love to see them improve their optics and allow buyers to choose between lower cost open sights (same as now) or (better 3 x 9) scope for another $50 to $75. That way folks get a good gun, with either nice open sights or scope -> no junk product.
I know it's more complicated than what I mentioned, but can't I dream a little ::)?
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Hey Mikeflys,
You could buy the AT44-10 Wood and then add the QE for $100. Got my AT44-10 Wood (.177) for $385 & $317 respectively (Long/Short). I will make my own LDC's, but could send them to Hatsan and have 'em QE'd for $100 each. I may do this is my "Home Brew" stinks :o.
Ha! Like I can afford another rifle!! When I bought mine I did not know that you could have the QE upgrade done. I also played around with the thought of getting the wood AT44-10 and adding a TKO. But in the end I figured why mess around with a brand new gun, get the one that works right out of the box.
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My recommendation would be to offer the wood stock with the QE line of rifles. The lack of wood was nearly enough to steer me away from the rifle altogether.
+1
But I went ahead and bought my Galation QE synthetic anyways......Wood does look nice but the synthetic looks bad ^&* and feels really nice in your hands . Not hard plastic like the Marauder, It has a very tactile feel about It.
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My first recommendation to Hatsan would be offer a rifle that doesn't have an 8lb trigger pull (this was after following Eustlers tutorial on Quatro trigger). My second recommendation would be offer a rife that doesn't still smoke like an old tractor after 4-500 pellets thru it. I bought a 95 recently and sent it to a tuner to try and do something with the trigger and the smoking. $300 later, it was still so bad I donated it and gave the joke of a scope to the neighbor kid to play "pirate" with.
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My recommendation would be to offer the wood stock with the QE line of rifles. The lack of wood was nearly enough to steer me away from the rifle altogether.
Wood would most certainly make them more appealing!!!
Matt
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If they ever were to offer a walnut replacement stock I would be saving my pennies! There is another thread about aftermarket wood stocks http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=81885.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=81885.0) Kind of watching this one to see what happens.
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My recommendation would be to offer the wood stock with the QE line of rifles. The lack of wood was nearly enough to steer me away from the rifle altogether.
+1
But I went ahead and bought my Galation QE synthetic anyways......Wood does look nice but the synthetic looks bad ^&* and feels really nice in your hands . Not hard plastic like the Marauder, It has a very tactile feel about It.
Another +1 for wood on the AT44 QE. My QE Long just arrived today, and while the synthetic is certainly functional (but not at all good looking IMO) I'd much rather have preferred the walnut - for this reason alone it was a tough decision between the AT44 QE and the wood stock MRod.
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In the UK we get a very much reduced selection of the Hatsan range, but with walnut stocks available more or less in equal measure, with a few exceptions. All limited to less than 12 ft/lbs of course.
12+ ft/lbs versions are available to firearms certificate (FAC) holders only by special order, but the conditions attached to acquiring an FAC are so onerous that I have never felt the inclination to apply for one.
So you guys can have whatever models you want, with whatever power levels you want, but only with synthetic stocks (Galatian excepted) whereas we can have only a few models, limited in power, but with as much wood as we want.
The craziest aspect of this situation is that the 12+ ft/lbs versions are usually much cheaper to buy, but consequently much more difficult to sell on, because you can only sell an FAC rated gun on to an FAC holder, and they are very much in the minority.
You could always visit *aitch tee tee pee colon forward slash forward slash double you double you double you dot solware.co.uk/air-pistol-air-rifle/hatsan.shtml* if you want to see what we can buy over here.
Plenty of wood available of course, but all of the guns set to low power and not much choice of models.
From my observations the Belgians and the Dutch seem to get the best deal in the world; you can buy any model, in any calibre, at any power level, with any choice of stock you want in those countries.
But given the choice between wooden stocks or unlimited power I would choose power over wood every day. Maybe it's time to get friendly with your local wood turner and see what he can produce, perhaps.
Who ever said life was fair? :(
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In truth, if one REALLY wanted a wood stock I guess one could import their gun from the UK. Though it would be a sub 12 foot pound gun, the beauty of the Hatsans is that all it'd take to bring it up to FAC levels is a simple valve stem swap, or one could tune the sub 12 fpe stem to suit their desire
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I might be in the minority here but I kind of like the synthetic stock on my Galation QE. Don't have to worry about scrapes and dings or the weather outside. My main priorities in an air gun is accuracy and feeling comfortable with it.
I do agree with Jon that the Marauder synthetic had a very plastic feel to it.
For my next purchase I am looking at another synthetic stock gun.
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In truth, if one REALLY wanted a wood stock I guess one could import their gun from the UK. Though it would be a sub 12 foot pound gun, the beauty of the Hatsans is that all it'd take to bring it up to FAC levels is a simple valve stem swap, or one could tune the sub 12 fpe stem to suit their desire
If it was for export only then you could just order the full power version, there would be no problem with that. As long as you could satisfy them that the gun will not be re-imported back into the UK it should be a fairly straightforward process.
BTW Hatsan PCPs in the UK are power limited by a restricted transfer port bore size, not by fatter valve stems like the Canadian versions.
Oh, and my apologies for the strange italicised version of a URL, the forum won't let me post links yet as it has decided that I am still teh newb. :-[
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In truth, if one REALLY wanted a wood stock I guess one could import their gun from the UK. Though it would be a sub 12 foot pound gun, the beauty of the Hatsans is that all it'd take to bring it up to FAC levels is a simple valve stem swap, or one could tune the sub 12 fpe stem to suit their desire
where would you get these different valve stems? I know about the sub 12 fpe valve can be had from Canada and you could turn down the rib on valve to increase from 500 fps.
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In truth, if one REALLY wanted a wood stock I guess one could import their gun from the UK. Though it would be a sub 12 foot pound gun, the beauty of the Hatsans is that all it'd take to bring it up to FAC levels is a simple valve stem swap, or one could tune the sub 12 fpe stem to suit their desire
where would you get these different valve stems? I know about the sub 12 fpe valve can be had from Canada and you could turn down the rib on valve to increase from 500 fps.
I bet these guys could tell ya http://www.hatsanusa.com/contact-us/ (http://www.hatsanusa.com/contact-us/)
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In truth, if one REALLY wanted a wood stock I guess one could import their gun from the UK. Though it would be a sub 12 foot pound gun, the beauty of the Hatsans is that all it'd take to bring it up to FAC levels is a simple valve stem swap, or one could tune the sub 12 fpe stem to suit their desire
where would you get these different valve stems? I know about the sub 12 fpe valve can be had from Canada and you could turn down the rib on valve to increase from 500 fps.
Yup, different stems can be sourced in Canada.
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Oh yeah I wish they had a wood stock option for my 125 sniper!
I think the plastic stock takes away the quality from the rifle!
Still have an adjustable comb but wood! Beech and walnut !
It is a 300$ rifle! You can get a deer rifle with wood for that money why not this break barrel vortex? JMHO. Pappywith4
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Hey Hatsan USA,
Keep up the Excellent Replacement Parts sevice ;)
They sent me another pressure guage for my AT44 and many (thin) barrel Washers for my Springers --> FREE 8).
I broke the pressure guage :o and after I ordered it, purchased a new air cylinder from Midway. I then told Hatsan not to send the guage after all, but it had already been mailed - so they said to keep it anyway - I had not paid yet :D!
I requested (4) barrel pivot washers from them and didn't hear back. Then the Washers just showed up in the mail box - no charge ;).
So Hatsan, I may complain now and then, but you guys really try to do right by your customers !!!
Thank You ;D
Kirk
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Pappywith4, I have both the 125 and the 135 hatsans. The action for the 125 fits the 135 stock well. The 135 has a slightly bigger compression tube but it's not an issue. When the time comes to replace my 125 stock I will buy from Hatsan the 135 stock which cost $79.99 instead of the plain 125 stock which is $39.99. Your 125 sniper stock is $49.99 I believe. On my plain 125 stock I have had to use a two stage epoxy to repair cracks that were starting on both sides of the SAS bolt in front. The 135 wood stock is nice for what it cost. If you ever replace your stock you might want to consider the 135 stock as well.
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Another thing Hatsan should do is make specific caliber valves for their PCPs. I mean what is the point of buying an AT44 in .177 that shoots over 1070 fps or a .22 BT65 that shot over 1150 fps? Most of the time people get this overpowered guns they want to detune them or install a regulator and lower the velocity because if not the gun will suffer from accuracy. I think that Hatsan should improve their valves like Crosman did to the gen 2 marauder, my recommendations would be to leave the 6 hole design valve and go for a 1 hole design, and to make different size transfer ports to each caliber with enough but not super high velocities (e.g 18.1 JSB at 900fps, 10.4 JSB 950 fps). If they do that they would increase accuracy, efficiency and shot count.
And if they could increase their QC in the bluing and anodizing it would be great. I know these problems aren't difficult to solve and most shooters would be able to fix them, but sometimes we want something excellent out of the box and if it has the potential at a relatively low cost, why not?
I know they probably won't hear of this post but I would like to hear what you guys think of this improvements'