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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: D14Jeff on January 14, 2015, 11:45:50 PM
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just looking for opinions .....
if fund were pretty limited , but over time you wanted to have a decent example of each type of airgun ...... and ..... if you could only have one MSP , one SSP , one springer (gas or metal coil , break barrel , under lever or side lever) , one Co2 and one PCP what would they be ?
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one thing i would do is NOT buy a cheap springer, after getting 2, i ended up with an hw95, had i saved up and got that one in the first place it would have been cheaper in the long run,
for co2 i can't fault my hammerli 850 tuned from Roald at the 850 store, again, not cheap but i went thru a crosman 2260 and a qb78 before i found out how accurate a co2 gun could be.
always buy the best you can afford, but even better to save up for the best gun.
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Spring an AA TX200
PCP also an AA ... 500/510
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if funds were tight I would just save for what I want.
with springers hw97
pcp daystate airwolf.
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Springer: Diana 48 or HW97
PCP: Save, save ,save and get a FX Bobcat.
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I would be going for best bang for buck.
Crosman 1377 (Could mod it later, make a carbine)
Beeman P17
Remington Express (Can't be the price. .22 cal. wood stock with scope, on clearance 79.00)
Crosman 2300kt or a 2240(Could mod it later)
Disco .22 cal. (Could mod it later if needed)
Of course I could pool my money if I had it all at once and by a TX200 or similar springer. It would do just about everything. Then get a p17 for my pistol.
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MSP: A good 392 or Daisy 22X/22SG.
SSP: Daisy 953.
Springer: I have no idea.
CO2: Crosman 2260.
PCP: Crosman 2260 converted to HPA.
Just my 2 cents worth.
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Some people sure have a different Ideal of limited funds. My list would still cost 500-600 dollars with the disco and a pump.
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Springer - 97kt
PCP - HW100
SSP -HW40
MSP - 397
Co2 - Walther lever action
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;D Here goes Springer TX200 MK III .22, PCP Evanix Rainstorm II .25. MSP Benji 392 Racine built co2 no clue cause no experience but I truse Steve and will go with his Hamerilli
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thanks for the replies so far .
if nobody minds ..... could i request a top cost of $200 per airgun new or refurbished .... not used . and for PCP what is the cheapest PCP you'd consider ? i understand it would be best to save and spend $400 $500 $600 or more on some of them , but i'm sure i'm not the only one who can't justify spending that much on a single airgun given income in and income out responsibilities . kudos to the folks that can though .
maybe i should have said very limited budget rather than pretty limited budget . LOL .
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Hmmm, well I could put the money of the CO2 and the pumper into the other 2 since I would not waste the cash in them :)
Springer, ...BSA GTR Lightning XL SE .177
PCP,......Sumatra .25 Carbine
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Ok.
Springer: Ruger Airhawk. $129.99
PCP: Crosman Discovery. $259.95 ( A pump will be extra)
Multi pump: Crosman Backpacker Bugout Kit (.22) $99.99
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;D ok I'm going to say under those constraints I will say first and only choice will be for the TX 200 MK III .22 can the PCP and all the others light enough to be an all day small game hunter with enough power to take down a raccoon and good accuracy to 50 yards for small game
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thanks for the replies so far .
if nobody minds ..... could i request a top cost of $200 per airgun new or refurbished ....
maybe i should have said very limited budget rather than pretty limited budget . LOL .
Per :o on that budget .....
PCP a Flying dragon 60C and Centerpoint scope
Springer ... ??? got nothing
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Of course, a Flying Dragon PCP would be my choice as well.
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SSP would be a refurb CMP Daisy 853 $114
MSP I would build out of parts for 200 I am pretty sure I could get a 40-50 fpe multi shot.. Mostly Crosman parts.
Springer/NP Not my thing so the funds would go to Building a custom PCP...
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xs25 and a qb78
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Ok well....
FD-PCP
XS-25 in .22
QB-78
P-17
22XX mod when able
Now, If I had a little wiggle room... everything would be vintage and I would build a fire with all this new garbage and stay warm.
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I have one recommendation for a springer. For under $200 a Dania 34 refurb from AGD.
1) You get a 30 day AGD warranty if your not happy for any reason.
2) A quality rifle that will last a lifetime.
3) Some 34 refurb models include an RWS scope.
Last year I bought a 34 Compact with an included RWS 3-9x40 scope, 3 tins of 500 ct pellets, RWS scope mount and rings for $198 shipped. Every time I shoot the 34 or even look at it I say to myself this shooter is easily my best airgun purchase to date.
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one thing i would do is NOT buy a cheap springer, after getting 2, i ended up with an hw95, had i saved up and got that one in the first place it would have been cheaper in the long run,
for co2 i can't fault my hammerli 850 tuned from Roald at the 850 store, again, not cheap but i went thru a crosman 2260 and a qb78 before i found out how accurate a co2 gun could be.
always buy the best you can afford, but even better to save up for the best gun.
Steve hit it on the nose. If you can't afford the best in each category, then save until you can. I see too many people, myself included, buy cheap stuff .... not be happy, and ultimately end up with the best. If you just want to plink, doesn't matter what you buy. Personally ..... if you get serious about this obsession, the words airgun & budget don't really exist. Remember, the price of the rifle is only a portion of what you need to get ..... scopes, mounts, pellets, and for PCP's .... tanks, fittings, and a pick-up to haul all your &^^& around. ;D
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With those price limits:
CO2 = Crosman 2260.
PCP = Crosman 2260 with HPA conversion, and pump tube HPA pump.
MSP = Daisy 22x/22SG, or Crosman 140 or 1400.
Springer = Any first gen NP with the willingness to tune.
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PCP: XS-B 50
Springer: NP2
MSP: crosman 2200(I would mod it)
CO2: 1911 pistol
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Under $200? I would just quit shooting. I have shot high end rifles & low end rifles. After shooting the Benjamin Trail, I must say I would go back to playing chess.
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thanks for the replies so far .
if nobody minds ..... could i request a top cost of $200 per airgun new or refurbished .... not used . and for PCP what is the cheapest PCP you'd consider ? i understand it would be best to save and spend $400 $500 $600 or more on some of them , but i'm sure i'm not the only one who can't justify spending that much on a single airgun given income in and income out responsibilities . kudos to the folks that can though .
maybe i should have said very limited budget rather than pretty limited budget . LOL .
Alright here it goes:
MSP: 392
MSP Pistol: 1377(or if I could find it on sale,used or refurb a Webley Alecto)
SSP: refurb CMP Daisy 853 $114
SSP Pistol: P17
Break barrel springer: refurb D34
Under lever spring: xs46u with full tune from Mike
Co2: Qb78 (with intentions of making it a regulated pcp)
PCP: Bam B50 would be my first choice then a refurb disco
And I think I would be quite happy with anyone of those.
And I would learn a lot and have a lot of fun modding/tuning them.
Joseph
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MSP: 392.
Springger: Hatsan 95 Vortex.
CO2: Crosman 2260.
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thanks for the replies so far .
if nobody minds ..... could i request a top cost of $200 per airgun new or refurbished .... not used . and for PCP what is the cheapest PCP you'd consider ? i understand it would be best to save and spend $400 $500 $600 or more on some of them , but i'm sure i'm not the only one who can't justify spending that much on a single airgun given income in and income out responsibilities . kudos to the folks that can though .
maybe i should have said very limited budget rather than pretty limited budget . LOL .
top cost 200.00? I'd find another hobby. if I can't buy what I want then I wouldn't buy it at all.
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For springers i would agree that $200 would be difficult to stay under. Though for the rest it can be done and get rely nice rifles, so long as you are willing to put in a little work on the AirRifles.
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For springers i would agree that $200 would be difficult to stay under. Though for the rest it can be done and get rely nice rifles, so long as you are willing to put in a little work on the AirRifles.
Not really. The Slavia 634 slots into that price range quire easily and delivers outstanding performance.
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For springers i would agree that $200 would be difficult to stay under. Though for the rest it can be done and get rely nice rifles, so long as you are willing to put in a little work on the AirRifles.
I have a Crosman Vantage NP with a CDT trigger ($100 to my door), A Crosman Nitro Venom($114 to my door) and 2 amazing MM tunned XS-25 ($430 combined to my door) All three of these guns amaze me everytime I shoot them. I admit, I've never owned or shot a $600 springer and unless someone that owns one moves in next door to me, I probably never will but, I would not be one bit backwards about sitting down and shooting 30 to 40 yds. shot for shot with anybody who does own one. (except that darn Joe Palone) That being said... Yours may be here long after mine is dead and yours may be alot prettier but, I can toss mine behind the seat on my truck and if I bust it I can buy another one tomorrow.
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Sorry OP and Admins... off topic... please remove if so inclined.
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;D I did not spend a Dime for my 880 it was given to me in place of a tip by a little old lady on an after hours very late night no heat service call. I play with it a couple times a month just for grins, it still shoots well enough to hit a soda can end on at 25 yards ;D ;D ;D ;D
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
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My idea of "tight budget" is evidently different than many others here. IMHO, there are some pretty expensive air guns listed in these posts thus far.
Here's my "tight budget" recommendations:
- SSP rifle: Daisy 953 or CMP refurb 853
- MSP pistol: Crosman 1377
- SSP pistol: Beeman P17
- Springer: Not a Gamo Shadow 1000 (I have one, it even has a GRT trigger, but I don't really like the rifle all that much)
- PCP: Out of any "tight budget" price range IMHO, considering all the peripheral gear you need to run one (SCUBA tanks, access to a nearby dive shop to fill tanks, a ridiculously priced high pressure hand pump, etc.)
Things I'm considering buying in the "tight budget" category, but I have not used personally so I don't know about their quality/appropriateness yet:
- MSP rifle: Benjamin 392
- Underlever rifle: Xisco XS46U
- CO2 rifle: Industry QB78
- CO2 pistol: Something from the Crosman Custom Shop (despite the name "custom", these are still inexpensive)
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;D My ability to get what ever toys I want came at the price of a bad back and knees and many many years of hard work including re starting my life 15 years ago after getting my divorce that was expensive and left me with $0 in the bank and a used $500 Chevy Caviler station wagon to put my work tools in. At the time I was 52 so I can appreciate not being able to afford much. At the time the only pellet rifle I owned was the Daisy 880. In the words of Chief Dan George from the movie "Outlaw Jose Whales" "endeavor to preserver"
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i LMBFAO every time clint catches him with the indian girl ;D
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Don't know if power requirements enter in...but I think you're an accuracy guy first and foremost.
With the Co2/PCP deal, you can get a Hammerli 850 refurb cheap enough, and adapt it to PCP if you like. It's accurate, and fun to shoot. It can serve as a "2 for 1" deal, and be economical.
In the springer class, the fixed barrel is my choice. The Gamo CFX or CFR are proven as good accurate examples, and not heavy to carry.
For a SSP, it's hands down the Daisy Avanti 853. The barrel and accuracy are proven. Neat target rifles.
I don't have personal ownership and extended experience with any of the others... So I won't confuse you with thoughts that I have no real knowledge of... HTH ;)
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Buy the best you can buy. If you have to save up, even better. You'll appreciate it more. Also have the money to tune it right out of the box. That way, the gun won't develop bad manners. A burr wears away metal that can't be replaced. A piston that cants, wears a piston the wrong way also. A cheap factory spring will bend and wear things at an angle. The metal chips inbedded into a seal does no favors either. The more you pay for the gun, the less you feel bad about the cost of a tune. In other words, if it costs $200 for the gun and $200 for a tune, one says,"what to hay?!?!". If you spend $500-1000 for the gun, you say, money well spent!!. As far as manufacturer, I'd go Beeman/HW as far as I could. If Beeman/Hw doesn't make it, you don't need it!!!!! Over the years, I've had them all. PCP, pumpers, CO2 and springers. Sold all but a few. Back to springers. The most demanding of all. It's made me a MUCH better shot with firearms. Just my opinion and everybody has one, you know the rest!!! Lee
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
As you mention in your post, it's not hard to find recommendations for cheap individual airguns. I think what a lot of people here are wondering is why you'd rather have four cheap airguns when you can have one or two really nice ones for the same outlay.
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As you mention in your post, it's not hard to find recommendations for cheap individual airguns. I think what a lot of people here are wondering is why you'd rather have four cheap airguns when you can have one or two really nice ones for the same outlay.
I don't know about all the high dollar airguns mentioned in this thread, because I don't own them, but "more expensive" does not always equate to "better" or "more fun". You have to do your research and see what it is that YOU want, not what someone else wants. Some people get pleasure out of just spending a lot of money, no matter what they actually get in return for it. And that's just fine, if that's what makes you happy. But for me, accuracy is the most important thing. And there will be a lot of people who cannot get their $700 air rifle to shoot more accurately than my $100 CMP refurb 853. Sure, the wood is not pretty on mine, the metal parts don't have a nice blued luster, but those points are not important to me in an air rifle (but more important in a powder burner). Personally, I will spend the least amount possible to get the most accuracy possible. But only within reason. I'm sure a $5000 Olympic competition air rifle will outshoot my $100 853, but we're talking extremes in pricing that only exceptional competitive shooters (and fools) will be willing to pay. One thing I will usually pay more for, is a fine mechanical feel. It's just a neat thing that makes me happy when I can afford it. I don't have that "fine mechanical feel" with my 853, but that desire is strongly overpowered by the way the 853 shoots - even with plastic and cheap wood and all. I appreciate the fine mechanical feel more in a powder burner than in an air rifle, and that's where I put my money. But that's all personal taste, I realize that.
You have to buy FOR YOU, not for somebody else.
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one thing i would do is NOT buy a cheap springer ....always buy the best you can afford, but even better to save up for the best gun.
Absolutely on the springer. You don't have to jump all the way up to a TX 200 or HWK97 - plenty of good intermediate choices out there - but a springer is not the place to go cheap. A lot of us have learned that the hard way.
Rather than try to get all lines of air guns, I would use the budget to buy a single high grade gun of one type and get out there and start shooting. Add other types if and when you can. I've never heard anyone complain that they bought too good an air gun, but plenty of moaning and groaning out there about buying cheap air guns.
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For springers i would agree that $200 would be difficult to stay under. Though for the rest it can be done and get rely nice rifles, so long as you are willing to put in a little work on the AirRifles.
Not really. The Slavia 634 slots into that price range quire easily and delivers outstanding performance.
I have a Slavia 631, why do you think it is up for sale? I am not into low powered rifles. :)
(http://i1291.photobucket.com/albums/b548/Philidor58/CZ631-2_zpsbea555ea.jpg)
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1377 Multi pump
2240 Co2
P17 Single pump
Xs60 PCP
All for about $300 total. Now take the other $500, buy a pump, co2 carts and lots of pellets to shoot, and have fun.
I have had all four types of airguns, and finally settled on my Co2's and pumpers. I was too frugal to spend hundreds on tanks and or pumps, so I sold my two PCP's. The only hunting I do these days is shooting pests out back. Other than that, it is shooting with the Grandkids, mostly paper targets and cans. You can see below what guns I have now below.
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just to clarify , i'm not looking to buy anything any time soon . this thread is just to get a idea of folks likes and dislikes below a certain price range ..... and because i thought it could be interesting . i currently only have a crosman 13xx pumper with barrels , stocks and grips , scopes and such for carbine and pistol use . since i'm so cheap i'll just get a 2240 or 2260 power tube and parts to shift my 13xx upper and lower parts to when i wanna try Co2 . the CMP refurb 853 would be the SSP i'd go for . and for a springer a hatsan or china based 25/26/28 would be what i'd focus on currently ..... no disrespect to anyone or their choices . i'll probably never get into PCP .....
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just to clarify , i'm not looking to buy anything any time soon . this thread is just to get a idea of folks likes and dislikes below a certain price range ..... and because i thought it could be interesting . i currently only have a crosman 13xx pumper with barrels , stocks and grips , scopes and such for carbine and pistol use . since i'm so cheap i'll just get a 2240 or 2260 power tube and parts to shift my 13xx upper and lower parts to when i wanna try Co2 . the CMP refurb 853 would be the SSP i'd go for . and for a springer a hatsan or china based 25/26/28 would be what i'd focus on currently ..... no disrespect to anyone or their choices . i'll probably never get into PCP .....
if MM still has the 28 on sale the 3rd of feb , i may have to do some finagling with the wallet to get one and put a 34 spring in it .
If you ever decide to play with PCP, once you have a CO2 setup it is little cost to do an HPA conversion, and it is easy to reverse if you want to go back to CO2. I plan on purchasing a 2240 tube valve, end cap, hammer, and barrel band once I get my 140 up to spec. Once done I will eventually do a reversible HPA conversion so that I have one carbine for a PCP and CO2, as CO2 is useless in the winter here.
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i've thought of that david , but theres still the cost of the pump . i think on HPA the 2240/2260 tubes can only handle 1000-1200 psi . i'd probably try bulk filling Co2 first . putting almost $200 into a HPA pump will be the next to the last thing airgun related that i'd buy other than pellets or Co2 . if i ever got a pump though ....... i wouldn't have a reason to not get a B50 , LOL
one of these days .......... ;)
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
I'll agree with you, for the most part I was perfectly content with my mm , xs25. It was only after shooting joe P's hw98 that I realized what I wanted out of a springer. I would have never spent that kind of money(on the hw95) if it were not for joe P.
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i've thought of that david , but theres still the cost of the pump . i think on HPA the 2240/2260 tubes can only handle 1000-1200 psi . i'd probably try bulk filling Co2 first . putting almost $200 into a HPA pump will be the next to the last thing airgun related that i'd buy other than pellets or Co2 . if i ever got a pump though ....... i wouldn't have a reason to not get a B50 , LOL
one of these days .......... ;)
Just as an FYI:
You can use a 2100 or even 66 pump tube with a flat top piston, and a valve filled solid except for a 1/32nd inch hole going to a fitting to attach to your HPA 2240 to make a simple HPA Pump. The only problem is that after every third fill you will need to release all pressure and drain any water that has accumulated from condensation at pressure. Though if you let the 2240 HPA sit aimed skyward for five minutes it is actually possible to shoot the water out by keeping it aimed skyward and shooting two or three dry fires.
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FWB 300s, FWB 80, FWB 124, FWB 603, FWB, FWB, FWB................
They have had me gut hooked since I was boy.
Vs
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For a springer I would get a flying dragon springer not sure what would it be but probably the 46 or the 28 (both under 200$).
For a MSP I would get a Benjamin 392. (169$).
For a SSP I would get Daisy 953. (100$
For a CO2 I would get a Hammerli 850 (280$) or a QB78D (under 100$).
For a PCP I would get a refurbished or new Hatsan AT44W-10 .22 and order a TKO ldc. (under 500$, refurb is 340$ at the time I bought it).
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
I'll agree with you, for the most part I was perfectly content with my mm , xs25. It was only after shooting joe P's hw98 that I realized what I wanted out of a springer. I would have never spent that kind of money(on the hw95) if it were not for joe P.
That Joe P is quite the enabler now, isn't he Steve. ;D My TX is with Motorhead right now, getting his magic dust sprinkled on it.
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i've thought of that david , but theres still the cost of the pump . i think on HPA the 2240/2260 tubes can only handle 1000-1200 psi . i'd probably try bulk filling Co2 first . putting almost $200 into a HPA pump will be the next to the last thing airgun related that i'd buy other than pellets or Co2 . if i ever got a pump though ....... i wouldn't have a reason to not get a B50 , LOL
one of these days .......... ;)
Just as an FYI:
You can use a 2100 or even 66 pump tube with a flat top piston, and a valve filled solid except for a 1/32nd inch hole going to a fitting to attach to your HPA 2240 to make a simple HPA Pump. The only problem is that after every third fill you will need to release all pressure and drain any water that has accumulated from condensation at pressure. Though if you let the 2240 HPA sit aimed skyward for five minutes it is actually possible to shoot the water out by keeping it aimed skyward and shooting two or three dry fires.
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I was wondering if that could be done.
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i've thought of that david , but theres still the cost of the pump . i think on HPA the 2240/2260 tubes can only handle 1000-1200 psi . i'd probably try bulk filling Co2 first . putting almost $200 into a HPA pump will be the next to the last thing airgun related that i'd buy other than pellets or Co2 . if i ever got a pump though ....... i wouldn't have a reason to not get a B50 , LOL
one of these days .......... ;)
Just as an FYI:
You can use a 2100 or even 66 pump tube with a flat top piston, and a valve filled solid except for a 1/32nd inch hole going to a fitting to attach to your HPA 2240 to make a simple HPA Pump. The only problem is that after every third fill you will need to release all pressure and drain any water that has accumulated from condensation at pressure. Though if you let the 2240 HPA sit aimed skyward for five minutes it is actually possible to shoot the water out by keeping it aimed skyward and shooting two or three dry fires.
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I was wondering if that could be done.
I did that for my project PCP's using a 66 pump tube. It does have its problems, the air is not clean, moister, etc. Though it does work.
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MSP 2289g
SSP beeman P17
Break barrel Hatsan Super charger .22 cal
CO2 2240
PCP not allowed to hunt with air guns here in Pa. so no need nor do i want one
the 2289 only has one pellet thru it don`t really care for msp`s just like the 1377 i have
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MSP, Benjamin 342
SSP, Daisy model 25
PCP, Benjamin Marauder pistol
CO2 Crosman 400
Springer, Diana model 34
Bryan
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All of this talk about how to go low cost almost has me wanting to do another HPA build :). Maybe actually post the results in the Crosman gate.
Slightly off topic:
If we can take a Crosman 22xx and build it into a PCP for less than 100 dolars including the cost of the Co2 gun, and that at consumer prices, why won't Crosman design such a rifle for around $120 retail. Gives them plenty of profit, they would recover there R&D costs in under a year. The only issue I see is the need of a super simple pressure blow off to prevent filling past 1500PSI, and that is just a spring, a seal, and a correctly sized hole for the spring strength.
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Springer: Beeman R7
SSP: Daisy 853
MSP: Benjamin 397
PCP: Crosman 1720t
All in .177
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
I'll agree with you, for the most part I was perfectly content with my mm , xs25. It was only after shooting joe P's hw98 that I realized what I wanted out of a springer. I would have never spent that kind of money(on the hw95) if it were not for joe P.
That Joe P is quite the enabler now, isn't he Steve. ;D My TX is with Motorhead right now, getting his magic dust sprinkled on it.
yes! he is the best, after i pulled the trigger on his rifle, i turned to him and cursed him.
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
I'll agree with you, for the most part I was perfectly content with my mm , xs25. It was only after shooting joe P's hw98 that I realized what I wanted out of a springer. I would have never spent that kind of money(on the hw95) if it were not for joe P.
That Joe P is quite the enabler now, isn't he Steve. ;D My TX is with Motorhead right now, getting his magic dust sprinkled on it.
yes! he is the best, after i pulled the trigger on his rifle, i turned to him and cursed him.
:o If I'm not mistaken I witnessed that at Tom's fun shoot I was at last year great day and loved the look on your face when you had that amazed look but the best was the silly look and the ear splitting grin
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I could easily be happy with under $200.00 airguns. I shot a friends Hw 97 for a bit earlier this year, then put it down, along with the other more expense guns and spent the rest of the day shooting my MTR77NP. No doubt more expensive rifles are nice, but I don't need them to enjoy shooting. Heck, most of my guns cost under 200.00.
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ssp daisy 953 $90-$129 depending on sights
msp umarex nxg $50
spend the rest of your budget on a nice springer
Diana 350m .177 $249
hw30s $299
hw30s dlx $329
hw50s $369
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it's all good avator . :)
i'll admit i'm kinda jealous of deep pocketed folks that can afford the high dollar rigs . but i guess i'm just not dedicated enough to this hobby to be willing to invest soooooo much money into one springer purchase considering my income bracket . i see/read across several AG forums folks that are thrilled with their $200 and under hatsan springers and XS-25/28/26 based springers getting 1 inch and smaller groups at 30 yards and more , with some claiming 1/2 inch or better . i realize a good part of that is technique/mastering that particular springers hold and finding it's prefered pellet ...... but for my purposes something like that would do me just fine . i'm not a collector , don't have any powder burners , don't hunt , no children/grandchildren to pass them down to and don't have folks coming over to admire my stuff . and honestly , sometimes i'm a bit of a clutz and i'd freak out dropping or knocking over something that cost several hundred dollars or more ..... not that i'd be happy about doing it to something that only cost a hundred bucks . i post this so folks won't think that i ignore their suggestions or don't respect their opinions ...... it's just not feasible for me to invest that much .
all the comments and suggestions y'all have shared are appreciated . :)
i had forgotten about the refurb 34s , it is a excellent "cheap" springer choice ..... but they rarely pop up and go FAST .
I'll agree with you, for the most part I was perfectly content with my mm , xs25. It was only after shooting joe P's hw98 that I realized what I wanted out of a springer. I would have never spent that kind of money(on the hw95) if it were not for joe P.
That Joe P is quite the enabler now, isn't he Steve. ;D My TX is with Motorhead right now, getting his magic dust sprinkled on it.
yes! he is the best, after i pulled the trigger on his rifle, i turned to him and cursed him.
:o If I'm not mistaken I witnessed that at Tom's fun shoot I was at last year great day and loved the look on your face when you had that amazed look but the best was the silly look and the ear splitting grin
Joe P seems to be quite the carrier of the airgun disease .
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I could easily be happy with under $200.00 airguns. I shot a friends Hw 97 for a bit earlier this year, then put it down, along with the other more expense guns and spent the rest of the day shooting my MTR77NP. No doubt more expensive rifles are nice, but I don't need them to enjoy shooting. Heck, most of my guns cost under 200.00.
Most of the Inexpensive AG's are fine for what they are and what I'm about to say is not intended to knock them just a slight correction in their true cost. Cost of rifle ~ $200 break down and clean/lube 2hr @ $26 per hr (time = money) shims $10, CDT trigger $35 If all we did was go to the sporting goods store yes the rifle was roughly $200 but if you are an avid shooter then decent accuracy to at least 25 to 30 yards is important to us and without some serious TLC the $200 rifle will rarely fill that bill. My Gamo Whisper .177 looked like I was using a shot gun at 10 yards and after a CDT trigger, home tune with relube (JM lube KIT) homemade spring compressor and 3 hrs of my labor will shoot quarter size groups at 25 yards when the wind is calm JMO most inexpensive rifles are what they are and with a little home grown TLC can be great shooters but please remember that the TLC has value which equates to real dollars and cents. so in my honest opinion that $200 rifle when it finally becomes a tack driver has a real value of closed to ~$400 to maybe $500 real dollars again JMO
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Don... I agree with most of this. However, I truely enjoy tinkering as much as I do shooting. It was great to pull the MM tuned XS-25 out of the box and begin shooting it as if it were a hign end airgun but, I get such a warm fuzzy feeling when I take a gun down and do all those things that I have learned here on the GTA in the past year or so.. it's not like labor at all. And when it all comes together and I get dime size groups at 30yds with my $100 airgun and a few hours of "tinkering".... well..... it's kind of like a puzzle, do you get more enjoyment from putting it together or looking at it when it's done.... I say they both combine to create the journey.
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Don... I agree with most of this. However, I truely enjoy tinkering as much as I do shooting. It was great to pull the MM tuned XS-25 out of the box and begin shooting it as if it were a hign end airgun but, I get such a warm fuzzy feeling when I take a gun down and do all those things that I have learned here on the GTA in the past year or so.. it's not like labor at all. And when it all comes together and I get dime size groups at 30yds with my $100 airgun and a few hours of "tinkering".... well..... it's kind of like a puzzle, do you get more enjoyment from putting it together or looking at it when it's done.... I say they both combine to create the journey.
;D ;D Bill I agree with you 100% I live the challenge of tinkering and making it mine and I guess what I have been trying to say is that no mater what the cost even if the improvements is "free" they still have value. If we call a plumber to fix a leaking pipe it costs $150 to $200+ depending on the plumber. If we do it our self the repair was "free" but it has value . I gues what I was trying to say was that the $100 rifle after home tuning is really of greater value than the original $100 :D
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Don... I agree with most of this. However, I truely enjoy tinkering as much as I do shooting. It was great to pull the MM tuned XS-25 out of the box and begin shooting it as if it were a hign end airgun but, I get such a warm fuzzy feeling when I take a gun down and do all those things that I have learned here on the GTA in the past year or so.. it's not like labor at all. And when it all comes together and I get dime size groups at 30yds with my $100 airgun and a few hours of "tinkering".... well..... it's kind of like a puzzle, do you get more enjoyment from putting it together or looking at it when it's done.... I say they both combine to create the journey.
;D ;D Bill I agree with you 100% I live the challenge of tinkering and making it mine and I guess what I have been trying to say is that no mater what the cost even if the improvements is "free" they still have value. If we call a plumber to fix a leaking pipe it costs $150 to $200+ depending on the plumber. If we do it our self the repair was "free" but it has value . I gues what I was trying to say was that the $100 rifle after home tuning is really of greater value than the original $100 :D
agreed
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buying a diamond in the rough and polishing it yourself has value that buying perfection off the shelf for a much higher price can't provide . and admittedly some "diamonds" can't be polished because they're really cubic zirconia . fortunately there's forums to help folks get a heads up on what's a waste of time and what has potential .
"value" is a relative term defined by the individual .