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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: Billy G on January 07, 2015, 06:39:50 PM
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Hello, im new to break barrel airguns and have a question about my gun. I recently got a Hatsan 95 and was excited after researching them and reading reviews but so far that has been short lived. The first one I received shot nice for the first 2 shots then it apparently blew a seal (I'm guessing) and lost power. I sent it back and figured I just got a lemon. When I received the second one it shot great but I can not get consistent groups, the other day I realized there is vertical play (horizontally it is tight) in the barrel when it is locked. At first I thought it was slop in the locking mechanism itself but looking at it more it looks to be coming from the pivot bolt/screw. Is this a common problem with them, is it fixable? I don't want to tear into it because it is under warranty. I really want to like this gun but it is making it hard to do so. Thanks for any help.
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Hello, im new to break barrel airguns and have a question about my gun. I recently got a Hatsan 95 and was excited after researching them and reading reviews but so far that has been short lived. The first one I received shot nice for the first 2 shots then it apparently blew a seal (I'm guessing) and lost power. I sent it back and figured I just got a lemon. When I received the second one it shot great but I can not get consistent groups, the other day I realized there is vertical play (horizontally it is tight) in the barrel when it is locked. At first I thought it was slop in the locking mechanism itself but looking at it more it looks to be coming from the pivot bolt/screw. Is this a common problem with them, is it fixable? I don't want to tear into it because it is under warranty. I really want to like this gun but it is making it hard to do so. Thanks for any help.
Send them back until you get a good one.
I've had the fourth one they sent me for two years now.
Bryan
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There QC is that bad? Do other manufacturers umarex, gamo, etc have the same issues? The cheap 10 pumps and the Beeman pistol we have, have had no problems so I wasn't expecting any out of a gun that costs 3 times as much.
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There QC is that bad? Do other manufacturers umarex, gamo, etc have the same issues? The cheap 10 pumps and the Beeman pistol we have, have had no problems so I wasn't expecting any out of a gun that costs 3 times as much.
I think I was just unlucky. The first rifle I bought from Pyramidair was a H-95 and the open sights ran out of windage before it would zero so it went back. I decided to upgrade to a H-125 and the scope they sent with it was a factory screw up and very foggy. When I sent it back I upgraded again to a H-135 and it self destructed after about 20 shots. Thinking I was completely pre-disastered I got another H-135 and it's been great! Really I had two bad rifles and one bad scope. All of the manufactures have problems and the odds are with you now. I would buy another Hatsan as long as the company I buy it from has a good return policy and that goes for all other manufactures too.
Bryan
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Hey Bill G,
I've owned a number of 95's and have never seen this problem. Can you send a pic of the affected area?
Likely an easy fix........... washer, tightening or spring, but if you bought it from Pyramyd Air or Airgun Depot, I would sent it back for another. I believe they pay for shipping back to them.
The Hatsan springer's can be rough out-of-the-box and often need a little TLC, but they are a "great value" for the cash. I did a full tune on all mine when received and didn't worry about the warranty. I would stick with the 95 springer if I were you, otherwise get a tuned XS25 or XS28M from Flying Dragon Air Rifles.
My Two Cents.............
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Just out of curiosity, is there someplace you can send a 95 to and have it tuned, and if so, what would it cost?
Thanks.
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Are you sure your pivot screw isn't loose. That is a common issue with all break barrel air rifles. That screw is as critical as any other. Reearch it, some AG's like it looser some perfer it pretty tight. On my 125 i keep it pretty tight had to use blue lock tight to keep it there, even with the set screw.
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The screw that goes threw the barrel just in front of breach where I'm getting the movement. I can not feel any movement in the screw just the barrel. When the barrel is broke everything feels solid and the set screw is in place so I don't think it's loose. It seems like the screw is a fraction of an inch smaller than the hole in the barrel or the hole is oblongated. Am I correct in thinking there is just a hole threw the barrel or is there more to it?
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Take a look at this it may help. Hope I did it right copy and paste in your address bar. I'm not that good with tech. stuff. I know tightening that screw tightened up my barrel.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80203.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=80203.0)
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I am new to this but from the name I am assuming the barrel pivot screw is the one where I'm seeing the play. By looking at it I think it is just a sex bolt correct? I'm assuming that it is tight since it has a set screw, it would have to go a full turn further if is loose and that should be noticeable. Also if it was loose I would think movement would be noticeable in the screw when the barrel moves. I really want to get into this thing but don't want to void the warranty, to get to the screw I'd have to remove the stock.
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Hey Billy G,
Taking off the stock won't void your warranty unless you hack something in the process.
I would recommend you do the following to fix (unloaded gun):
1) Take off stock -
a) you need to remove the large screw behind the trigger.
b) remove the little phillips head screw of SAS system in front.
c) remove nut from SAS bolt - pull out bolt.
2) Take small lock screw from larger pivot screw
3) With large straight screwdriver, tighten that sucker as hard as you can.
Assemble gun by putting back in rear trigger screw and SAS bolt only.
Cock the gun. Is the vertical play gone ??
If yes, reassemble and tighten all screws.
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Thanks for the info SpiralGroove. I will call Pyramid tomorrow just to make them aware and confirm it will not void the warranty. If that's the case I will have at it this weekend, I would much rather fix what I have than do returns till I get a good one.
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Billy G, That's a critical screw to keep in proper adjustment for a break barrel. It'll make a huge difference!!!!
I'm no expert on these things by any means. I shot powder burners for years though. As with any kind of gun if they start acting weird check ALL THE SCREWS. I once had a Weatherby centerfire rifle nearly drive me crazy trying to get it shooting to my satisfaction, yes it was a loose trigger guard screw. Some of the GUYS on this sight are very intelligent and have a LOT really good advice to offer. Unfortunately I'm not one of those. However I do know the number one springer air gun rule is to KEEP YOUR SCREWS TIGHT!!!!!!! Some of the competitive shooters even use torque wrenches to keep them in check at a repeatable level. Blue loc-tite will become a very good friend if you shoot a springer type air gun much. Hope I've helped somehow
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Thanks for the input everyone, I got the go ahead from pyramid so I will let you know if it fixes the problem.
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Well I pulled it apart this morning and tightened the pivot screw. Honestly once I had it apart I didn't think it was going to do anything, I could only tighten it the tiny bit that the set screw will allow (roughly 5 degrees or so). Once I had it back together the slop was gone. I will hopefully get a chance to shoot later and see if it stays tight..... it's 17 degrees right now. Thanks again for the help guys.
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Great!
The only thing you may have to do is to tighten the pivot bolt one notch and reinstall (little) set screw. To do this the notch in the pivot bolt may have to be widened a bit or you can decrease the diameter of little screw head. I have opted for the later as the little set screw is a soft/cheapo and easily filed down using a lathe or drill. If necessary, get some Birchwood Casey cold blue to touch things up.
The Hatsan 95 is a most excellent gun, but you may have to do many little tweaks like this to make it perfect. Some folks are unwilling or incapable of doing this. To get the max potential out of the gun, I recommend a full tune ASAP or when your 1 year warranty expires.
I'm sure the more expensive European springer's work a little better, but not much ;)
Good luck ............Kirk
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Just ran about 50 shots threw it. The first 15 or so we're excellent then the screw backed of the slightest bit and group's are off again. Thanks for the tip on making the adjustment screw work that will be my next step. After I am sure I'm keeping it I'm sure I will tinker with it more features of the gun. I can say I was really impressed with those first 15 shots. On a side note another plus of pulling it apart today was seeing how the trigger works and making some slight adjustments based on seeing it operate.... much lighter now than before.
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Hey BillyG,
If you're handy, go the Home Depot and buy a (2) pack of 3.5mm x 16mm set-screws for $1. Take the front most trigger adj. screw out with you when you go to make sure, it's the right diameter (my mind can play tricks). Once back home, put that screw in your drill chuck and round the end & polish it like the one you took out. Go to 1200 grit, if you got it!
Then put some oil (or better yet molly paste) on the tip and insert it in the trigger hole. Screw in as far as the original was and try to fire on safety. Does the safety hold? If yes, keep turning this same screw very slowly and try the safety again. The more you tighten, the lighter the trigger will be. The gun can easily be made to have no safety and be Dangerous :o be careful and use good judgement when tweaking.
This does not void the warranty, because you can reinstall the original --> who will be the wiser ;)
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That is one of the things I had seen people talking about that I wanted to try. I think if it's a keeper I will also modify the stock so the pivot screw is accessible without taking anything apart.
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Hey Billy G and Kirk,
I think the right size for the Quattro trigger is M3x0.5x14 or 16; I used the 14mm length, which was long enough, though 16mm will work, too, though with a little more of the screw sticking out. One does need to be very careful not too bury too much of the screw, though, which will create a dangerous situation.
Dennis
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Hey Bill G,
I've owned a number of 95's and have never seen this problem. Can you send a pic of the affected area?
Likely an easy fix........... washer, tightening or spring, but if you bought it from Pyramyd Air or Airgun Depot, I would sent it back for another. I believe they pay for shipping back to them.
The Hatsan springer's can be rough out-of-the-box and often need a little TLC, but they are a "great value" for the cash. I did a full tune on all mine when received and didn't worry about the warranty. I would stick with the 95 springer if I were you, otherwise get a tuned XS25 or XS28M from Flying Dragon Air Rifles.
My Two Cents.............
I read in another place you said you prefer the springer 95 over the vortex. Most all the reviews have it the other way around. I'm a new subscriber so bear with me. I'm interested in the vortex but is there a substantial difference?
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Raybo welcome! but Just to make sure your wanting to know if there is a substantial difference in the Vortex vs. the non Vortex in the way of power? or are we talking about shot cycle.
When it comes to power its going to be close to the same in power no real difference overall between the two. The thing I have noticed is the shot cycle on a Vortex gas ram is a lot smoother than then the non vortex (coil spring) version.
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Hey Billy G,
IMHO, I would rather send my gun back to pyramyd for a replacement before I would "cowboy" the stock to accommodate the pivot bolt! They will pay for shipping on this kind of issue. Fix it as I mentioned before and no stock adjustments are necessary ;)
Hey Raybo,
Blackfocal is right, the recoil part of the shot cycle is smoother.
But once you get used to the springer, switching back and forth between Vortex & springer, you'll notice the recoil is just a little more pronounced with the springer, but cocking is easier with the springer. Also, velocity is likely always higher on the springer's. Lastly, all my springer's are tuned and maybe this makes the differences smaller. The tune helps the springer more than the gas ram! Heavy tar quiets the spring.
The Votex costs $50 more than the springer or $50/$150 = 33%. Not worth it in my opinion :o
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Thanks to you two. I'm looking forward to plinking since I have a 1/2 acre lot and plenty of room, but I will be hunting as well. So keeping it cocked, cold, etc is a consideration. I can't find 95 vortex in stock at online stores right now so just waiting for a good sale somewhere.
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Hey Raybo,
Two last things:
1) You should be able to keep a springer cocked all day before any ill effects happen. Some people shoot them once in awhile as a precaution.
2) We have seen either new or refurbished Model 95 (springer's) going for as little as $90 at Midway, field supply or airgunweb, so the price differential can be far greater :D. The Vortex's on the other hand are seldom discounted because they're "Hot" right now. Hatsan and the airgun industry's marketing plan has many first time buyer's thinking they gotta have a Gas Ram. That being said they are nice, just not (IMO) worth the price differential. Ya gotta go with your gut though............Kirk
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I was just figuring if adjusting the pivot bolt is a routine thing putting a small dip in the stock where the screw is would make it an easier task and could be done so it looked factory. I wouldn't do it until I am sure it won't be getting returned.
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Is the dangerous situation with the longer screw just that the safety can become inoperable or when you get it to that point can it cause other issues as well?
Hey Billy G and Kirk,
I think the right size for the Quattro trigger is M3x0.5x14 or 16; I used the 14mm length, which was long enough, though 16mm will work, too, though with a little more of the screw sticking out. One does need to be very careful not too bury too much of the screw, though, which will create a dangerous situation.
Dennis
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Billy G,
If you bury too much of the screw, the safety will become ineffective. The gun may discharge accidentally. I speak from (humbling) experience. Go slowly, and don't make too much of an adjustment before you figure out if the safety is still working properly.
Dennis
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Thanks dw. I think I've got the pivot bolt under control, I ran 150 or so pellets threw it and the barrel is still tight so I'm going to tinker with the trigger tomorrow.
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Bill G,
We (my Son & I) just made the same adj. on his Hatsan 85c Sniper last night.
His Quattro trigger out-of-the box was like rough gravel.......So with his permission we added one of my replacement screws that is one size longer than OEM. We chucked it into a drill and hit it with a file/220/600 paper for a nice round (not pointed) tip. Screwed (with lube on) it in about as far as the original and shot the gun. Still stiff/long.........as in "waiting all day" to fire. So, screwed in a little further.........but no change again when shooting. Were talking 1/2 turns here. At a certain point the trigger started to lighten. My Son then screwed it in further w/o telling me. When I cocked it, he said watch out I turned the front screw in clockwise a little more.
Fired, and found the trigger was too light for my liking and the gun would fire on safety if I pulled hard enough. If you were to continue tightening another 1/2 turn, you would have a hare trigger with the safety on (very bad). If you turn the screw in further, the gun cannot be cocked because the trigger sear will not engage the piston slot.
So, back off the front adj. screw to the point where you have a solid safety and a reasonably light trigger. If you adj. the trigger while the gun is broken (cocked - not loaded), the gun can dry fire which will hurt the piston, with the barrel hitting you in the body or head as it snaps from the recoil.
Be careful and take your time.................... ;)
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Thanks for the tips, I will go slow and easy.
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Wow, that's all I can say. I never got it to the point where the safety didn't function, but it was to the point where you had better be ready to shoot when you're finger touched the trigger. I backed it off just a bit because I didn't want it that light. Thanks again for the tips, it's amazing what a difference a $0.54 upgrade can make.
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Great,
Other front, trigger adj. screw (keep OEM) all the way in.
Kirk
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Is that a safety issue or is keeping it all the way in just how you like it? Right now mine is still set about 1 turn out, I was planning on fine tuning the 2 front screws the next time I got a chance to put a good number of pellets threw it.
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I think the right size [set screw] for the Quattro trigger is M3x0.5x14 or 16;
Anyone know where to get a couple of these online? I've checked my local Home Depot, a Menards and my local Ace Hardware and none of then stock it in either length. I also did a Google search for it and it appears to come in packs of 1,000 or 5,000, which I rather obviously don't need. Thanks.
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I got the allen head cap screws at either HD or Lowes. Had them in the hardware section in drawers but they were longer. I plan to shorten them and give them a good round over with my dremel.
But here is a link on Amazon for 100 at a very fair price if you have Prime for free shipping.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005A1JZTQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005A1JZTQ/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_7?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER)
I believe these are what you need-double check me on it. I like that these have no head on them.
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I got 10 of the m3x0.5x14 on Ebay for just a few dollars, with the socket head caps.
Dennis
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http://www.amazon.com/Skt-Cap-Screw-M3x0-50x14-Pk100/dp/B000R8D8ZO/ref=sr_1_15?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1423062309&sr=1-15&keywords=M3x0.5x14mm (http://www.amazon.com/Skt-Cap-Screw-M3x0-50x14-Pk100/dp/B000R8D8ZO/ref=sr_1_15?s=industrial&ie=UTF8&qid=1423062309&sr=1-15&keywords=M3x0.5x14mm)