GTA
Airguns by Make and Model => Beeman Airguns => Topic started by: bigbadwulff on July 27, 2010, 02:57:05 PM
-
Let's hear about your gun.
Mine just keeps getting better and better the more I shoot it!
Lots of power and pretty darn accurate.
Great gun for the $$.
-
Mine is a little tired. I'm thinking of replacing the spring and piston seal. Does anyone know a JM repacement piston seal that will work?
-
My smooth & quite .22 shooter...
-
For just a little work you can turn this into a good shooter. Popped some pigeons with the .22 barrel at about 50-70 yards this past weekend. I was impressed with it.
I shoot the .22 barrel pretty much exclusively now.
-
Tuned it got it shooting smooth as anyone could want, zeroed it in at 20yards with a BugBuster and gave it to my friend. He is very happy with it and just can't believe the power and accuracy of it. This gun shoots with a nice easy thump, no twist or twang at all. It was a good learner for me, but it would just be a closet queen if I kept it so away it went.
-
I have run about 1500 rounds through my 1073 in the 2+ months that I have had it. It shoots fairly accurately. I was able to group 5 rounds under an inch at 35 yards. Not too impressive for most of you great shooters out there, but it was a personal best for me so far. It has plenty of power. I took out a tree rat at 42 yards last week. I have experimented with both barrels and have settled on the .22. It just suits me. I did have to debur and lube the gun shortly after buying it. It has just gotten better the more I shoot it. I did make a new stock for it to replace the bulky Beeman stock. I hope the picture will upload. I think this is a good gun for the money.
-
Very good rifles for the money. I have the .22 barrel on mine. Trigger is the best of my cheap Chinese rifles.
Nice solid shot cycle. Sportsmansguide.com had the Walther Force 1000 .177 refurb for 73.97. So I paid the $30 membership, got another $10 off the Walther - $63.97 shipped!!! And 2 $10 off coupons for my next orders. Great deal! Got the Force 1000 last week. It's almost a twin of the RS2, basically the same rifle. I never had got chrony numbers for the RS2 so I thought it was about time to get numbers for it and the "new" Walther. I got some cheap Daisy's out and let 'em rip. The RS2 only has maybe a 100 pellets thru her and the Force 1000 refurb unknown. I'm sure they will both be more consistent after a tune.
I put a .22 cal pellet thru the chrony on the third shot. But it still registered 708 fps and continued to function!
Luckily I missed the sensor (pics at bottom)
Here's the chrony numbers -
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chrony Helper
"July 27, 2010"
Rifle / Gun : Beeman RS2 Convertor
Ammo : .22 cal Grams to Grains
Type : Daisy Wadcutter 0.00
Grain : 14.2 MPH to FPS
0
FPS Kilometre Mile FPS Kilometre MPH
1 717.3 787 489 High 734 805 500
2 704.9 773 481
3 708.1 777 483 Low 691 758 471
4 722.5 793 493
5 713.1 782 486 Average 713 782 486
6 733.5 805 500
7 691.0 758 471 Extrem Spread 43 47 29
8 709.0 778 483
9 723.1 793 493 Deviation 11.8 13.0 8.1
10 707.1 776 482
Probability FPS FPS Spread
Deviation 68% 701 725 24
Results 95.4% 689 737 47
99.7% 678 748 71
Energy Impact 16.03 ft-lb 21.74 Joules
Total shots 10
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chrony Helper
"July 27, 2010"
Rifle / Gun : WaltherForce1000 Convertor
Ammo : 0.177 Grams to Grains
Type : Daisy Wadcutter 0.00
Grain : 7.6 MPH to FPS
0
FPS Kilometre Mile FPS Kilometre MPH
1 970.8 1065 662 High 971 1065 662
2 967.5 1062 660
3 959.4 1053 654 Low 901 989 614
4 964.6 1058 658
5 963.5 1057 657 Average 955 1048 651
6 951.2 1044 649
7 956.6 1050 652 Extrem Spread 70 76 47
8 951.4 1044 649
9 901.2 989 614 Deviation 19.9 21.9 13.6
10 962.7 1056 656
Probability FPS FPS Spread
Deviation 68% 935 975 40
Results 95.4% 915 995 80
99.7% 895 1015 120
Energy Impact 15.39 ft-lb 20.87 Joules
Total shots 10
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Chrony photos
---------------
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/tdubya48/RS2_Walther_Chrony%202010/chrony1.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/tdubya48/RS2_Walther_Chrony%202010/chrony2.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/tdubya48/RS2_Walther_Chrony%202010/chrony3.jpg)
The guns
----------
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/tdubya48/RS2_Walther_Chrony%202010/Walther.jpg)
(http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy115/tdubya48/RS2_Walther_Chrony%202010/RS2Walther1000.jpg)
-
Nice stock. Very nice. Only complaint is it is a bit heavy but that is good for the 'twang' damping.
Nice Chrony! Yup it does have power :)
-
Based on your chrony numbers, mine is definitely a little tired. I'm only getting an average of 630fps with 14.3 cp's. I believe I've found the spring at Maccari, but still need to know what piston seal, since this is a screw on seal (no dovetail.)
-
Based on your chrony numbers, mine is definitely a little tired. I'm only getting an average of 630fps with 14.3 cp's. I believe I've found the spring at Maccari, but still need to know what piston seal, since this is a screw on seal (no dovetail.)
Check your breech seal, If it's flush...just need to shim it and you can get 30-50fps back. I did mine with dental floss and got 65fps back.
-
I'm pretty much satisfied with my 1073. I prefer to shoot with the .22 barrel, but I've been running some .177s lately. My .177 barrel came with a a decided downward bend so I contacted S/R Industries (which is making the Chinese Beemans), and was sent a new barrel with a week. Then I was surprised to see that in switching from one barrel to another, the POI between the two was very close. I never have run into the "loosening barrel" issues I've read some speak of, and the POI differences seem to remain constant when switching barrels. So, for $59.99 I rate it a "buy". Yeah, the rifle's got a bit of a kick, and it's a bit heavy; but stop yer b****in and eat your Wheaties, already! :D
darryl
-
I've been lusting after the TF 89 in .22. Compasseco has a really good price on them ($119.00...that is a good price. right?) How do the model 1073 and the '89 compare? Anyone got any idea? I'm talking an out of the box comparison, not tuned.
thanks!
darryl
-
i will be glad to oblige. i have both rs-1 and rs-2 as well as the force 1000,and find them all to be great workhorses.i have used my rs-1 so much that i broke /wore out the cocking lever.it just popped out of the groove.i wore off the tang on both sides.no prob.,a quick trip to my welder and a minute or so with the dremel good as new. added a thin teflon washer to ease some of the future wear.dont own a crono,but they all perform admirably for the work they do.as summer progresses we are now in the field,in different groves,all over north san diego county knocking off squirrels.
-
I've put about 1500 rounds through the .177 barrel and I'm quite happy so far. Good power and it seems to prefer heavier pellets. Ironically, Beeman pellets fit loose and don't shoot all that accurately. The RS2 really seems to like CP ultra magnum domes.
It is hold sensitive, but once you learn how it likes to be held, it'll love you back, just like a good woman.
Did a trigger tune the other week, which revealed where they did cut some corners. The sear, sear catch and trigger lever are all made up of two layers of thin metal stock that are tack welded together to make full thickness components.
Little to no machining of the edges, so they were very uneven. In most places the trigger components were only meshing across half their thickness. And they were rough edges at that.
I sanded the critical junctures with 100 grit abrasive paper until bright metal showed across the full thickness, and then worked up to 600 grit. Trigger is much smoother now. I used Russell Sauer's excellent RS2 trigger guide:
http://webpages.charter.net/guru1/documents/RSE%20Airguns%20-%20Beeman%20RS2%20trigger%20guide.pdf (http://webpages.charter.net/guru1/documents/RSE%20Airguns%20-%20Beeman%20RS2%20trigger%20guide.pdf)
The only things that Sauer's illustrations do not show are the two trigger return springs. They nest inside each other and fit between the pull weight adjustment screw and a little divot in the trigger lever. If you don't pay attention during disassembly, you might get confused about where they go when it comes time to put things back together. DAMHIKT. :P
-
I attended the SW Ohio Shooters meet today. Gary brought a chronograph, and I ran ten shots trough it with my RS2 in .22 caliber using Crosman Premier Magnum domes (14.3 gr). Here are the results:
Lo = 726.5
Hi = 742.7
Avg = 734.9
Es = 16.18
Sd = 4.58
MikeM has his RS2 chronied in .177, and I believe he was averaging about 935 FPS or there abouts. Not bad for a $60.00 Wally special, and they are accurate too.
Darryl
-
:)
Lo 942.9
hi 962.5
AVG 952.4
ES 19.57
SD 7.14
I look for the ES and SD to srink a bit as those # is off a fresh tune with MAYBE 25-30 shots through it...
The seal was a VERY tight fit and I am torn between shooting the heck outta it and seeing if it wears in or pulling th piston and resizing the seal down a bit more........ also curious if the overall speed goes up any as I was VERY impressed with that kinda power out of a 59 dollar wally world special
-
That's a real fire-breather you have there, Mike.
darryl
-
My RS2 is so accurate and hits so hard that it is scary. When I feel lazy, but the squirrels are about, all I need to do is take the RS-2 outside and lean it against a tree or lawn chair. In a matter of moments, squirrels march up , paws held high, surrendering. They just abandon all hope.
Bogey
-
Bogey, was yours also a Wally special?
darryl
-
i will be glad to oblige. i have both rs-1 and rs-2 as well as the force 1000,and find them all to be great workhorses.i have used my rs-1 so much that i broke /wore out the cocking lever.it just popped out of the groove.i wore off the tang on both sides.no prob.,a quick trip to my welder and a minute or so with the dremel good as new. added a thin teflon washer to ease some of the future wear.dont own a crono,but they all perform admirably for the work they do.as summer progresses we are now in the field,in different groves,all over north san diego county knocking off squirrels.
Do you ever have problem with your RS2 feeling like having a hair trigger after using your RS1? Reason I asked is RS1 is direct sear trigger.
-
If I may, since MichaelM adjusted my trigger for me I confess it took me a few shots to adjust my brain to it, but that happened quickly enough. In stock form the second stage had quite a bit or pressure and sometimes I'd have to concentrate hard to force a gradual pull. Now, when I've taken up the first stage I feel the firmness of the second stage, and know that release is "right there" waiting for me to decide to shoot.
I have to say the trigger on the model 1073 feels very nice after Mike did his magic. My made smaller groups today than ever, and I can see what the rifle is capable of; easily producing tight ragged holes.
Some deal, eh?
darryl
-
Darryl glad the trigger adjustment helped!! we could have worked on it a bit more and got it even smoother... I just dialed it in to "close" it had ALOT of creep on that second stage all I really did was adjust a bit of it out....
now we just need to get a tune on that gun :) you will have to drag it up here and spend an evening drinking a couple beers out in the shed!!! (hope you like really hoppy beers... all I have left is my last batch of IPA's I brewed...) Heck bring the wifey we can throw the womenfolk in the house so they can gossip and complain about our silly hobbies and we can drink a few beers and enjoy quiet out in the shed with a couple cold ones LOL!!!
-
Home brew? Sounds intriguing. Oh, what sort of tune did you do on your 1073? We'll have to try to work out a visit. Maybe before our next meet?
darryl
-
Yea I been brewing for about 3 years now.. great hobby!
as far as the gun short story is I did everything short of custom spring guides LOL
complete debur
cocking slots polished
honed compression chamber
turned down front of piston and polished
buttoned piston
polished tophat
fitted stainless thrust washers
ground spring ends flat and polished
fitted piston seal (still a bit tight needs to take a tad more off it but...)
recrowned muzzle
Trigger group completly torn down, smoothed out and polished(that was a lot of work those folded and stamped parts where ROUGH!!)
polished slot and sides of anti beartrap/auto safety arm
then of course put back together with JM's heavy tar and moly and other lubes where proper
pluss whatever other small odds and ends I cant think of off the top of my head
-
I got about 10 or 12 hops plants in my back yard, who do I mail the flowers to? Cascade, Golden and a few others.
-
I got about 10 or 12 hops plants in my back yard, who do I mail the flowers to? Cascade, Golden and a few others.
LOl that would be great I want to start a few hops in my yard eventualy
-
Hey guys,
The 1073 being what it is (and you all know it better than I do) is there anything in that rifle that could take a mod that would boost it to over 900 fps in .22? I mean I seriously don't have a clue, but like I always say (wait for it...) "if you don't ask they can't tell you No". I suppose if it was possible we'd have read about it by now. Huh?
darryl
PS hey Mikey, how 'bout scouring that brain of yours to see what you can come up with.
-
my rs2 only came with the .177 barrel and man it has some real POP! what i dont like about it the trigger...the first stage has this super long creep to it and the second stage is this hair trigger....i hate it but this is the best i can get it set and drives me nuts....i've seen tear down rs2 sites that tell you how to do it but i'm no gunsmith...i'll probaly trade it to my uncle for car work on my 1966 amc marlin
-
hey Bart,
Mike adjusted my trigger. Maybe he can shed some light on taking that hair trigger off. My secon d stage is not a hair trigger, but it's light. The great thing about it is that I can hold light pressure on it until I'm ready to shot, then it's just a matter of a bit more of a squeeze and it's " on the waaayyyy!!". :D
darryl
-
Hi there, sorry to bring this back from the dead but it has only been a couple months...
I just picked up my RS2 from Wal Mart a couple days ago and having only shot a few "real" airguns before this, I can say I'm pretty impressed at the overall quality and the first impression.
I was waiting for a price drop on the 1072 at Academy from the stellar $129.00 so I could use the gift card my parents got me for my birthday when I stumbled across it on my way out of Wally world for $98.00, and they even accepted my Academy card making it $68.00 out of pocket.
I have been browsing the web for tips about tuning and came across this thread... I was wondering if anyone would be so kind as to post any of the detailed info on what they did with their RS2's to enhance it's capabilities. What lube do I put where when replacing the stuff that came from the factory?
I read someone made their own stock, and reading MichaelM's extensive mod list inspired me to take the plunge. I think a good place to start would be trying to comprehend what all those neat-sounding things on his list are, lol.
-
hey hopper welcome!!!!!!!
Congrats on your purchase!!!
FIRST of all before you even think about tearing into these guns you need to read any and all material you can find on tearing them down!! a good place to start is in the GTA library
http://www.charliedatuna.com/airgun_docs/Fast%20Dear%20Tune%20up.doc (http://www.charliedatuna.com/airgun_docs/Fast%20Dear%20Tune%20up.doc)
http://www.charliedatuna.com/airgun_docs/B-4-2%20TuneUp.doc (http://www.charliedatuna.com/airgun_docs/B-4-2%20TuneUp.doc)
are two good resources... now the guns are different and have have newer synthetic seals so the parts about care and feeding of older leather seals dont apply but it will give you a decent idea on what goes on in the insides of these things
Second......and MOST important..... these guns are NO JOKE on the inside..... the spring that powers these monsters CAN take your head off.... eyes and such are no match for these things and if you want proof I can post a few pics of what happens when accidents happen and your face gets in the way of one of these springs.......
YOU HAVE to use a spring compressor and you need a few good handtools to do it right or dont even attemt it!!!
Third... have fun!! lol if your decently mechanicaly inclined its a fun job and project!! I never get tired of working on guns!!! if you run into something you dont understand stop and come on here and ask questions!! there are a TON of knowlegable people on here and collectivaly the amount of information available is mind blowing :)
once again welcome and if you have any questions feel free to ask or fire off a PM and I will be more then happy to help out where I can!
-
Hi Michael, thanks for the welcome and the reply!
I am pretty mechanically inclined and I have access to a lot of good tools, I am a car guy by nature and I'm no stranger to springs or spring compressors and the damage they can cause if not used properly.
I own a couple firearms that I take down and care for regularly, so I have a set of more specialized tools for this purpose as well, if I can make use of any of them.
I'm hoping to end up with a fairly quiet gun that is as accurate as I am, and I want to do it the right way :) Thanks for the info, and any new suggestions would be well appreciated.
-
hey michael today is the day!!! i'll ship later today....i know, i know its been awhile, but life got in the way....welcome to the forum hopper! i grow hops too! i'm sending my beeman out to him to tune it for me and he charges a good rate to tune it! enjoy the gta ...i sure do! bart
-
other then screw drivers and other hand tools there isnt many of the tools for your powderburners you want to use on the RS2.... do NOT use metal brushes/rods in the bores of your pellet rifles.... the barrels are not hardened like a powderburners barrel is and you will wear the rifleing right out of it... instread either get you a pull through (like an otis system ir such) or make yourself one (alot of people use a length of weedwacker line with a blob melted at one end then basicaly thread the patch onto the line and pull it through..... believe it or not this works REALLY well lol and have one in my shooting box...)
just a couple patches with goo gone and then a few dry patches and your good to go.... and dont worry about cleaning the barrel till your accuracy starts to fal off and that could be anywhere from 500 to 5000 pellets depending on the gun and the pellets etc etc LOL.... MOST (not all) airrifles seems o shoot better with the barrels leaded up a bit.....
never drop any petroleum based oils into the compression chamber.... it will deisel and or detonate and thats not a healthy thing for the gun :)
as far as lubes go.... moly goes good on about everything LOL, pivot points, rub points, pistons, seals.... if your keeping stock springs and guides then alittle heavy tar on the spring and guides will help alot on cutting down the spring noise and vibrations....
I know some guys like dieletric greases for the piston seal or a dielectric/moly mix and they seem to be getting good results... I personaly have not messed with it but I do believe I will look into it here soon :)
I am also a big fan of silicone for alot of parts that need to be protected but doesnt need acoat of oil al over it like trigger groups and such....
ahh... well anything else just ask :) LOL
Oh and cool Bart!!! I didnt know you grew hops!... thats like 3-4 people in this thread alone that either grows hops or brews beer :) lol!!
and I will be waiting for your girl to get here!! now that we have a short break between holiday madness :)
-
anyone know where I can get a seal and spring for my 1073? Power has been dropping off and it's down to 610fps so I'm getting up the nerve to take it apart and find out whats going on inside.
-
hey supertiger, how long have you had the gun?
I grabbed some cheap .22 ammo from Walmart last night and shot up some old signs leaning against the fence last night. I was standing right outside the window and I asked my fiancee (inside) if she could hear me shooting - negative. So I guess the neighbors won't complain. They may start to wonder what is up with all the squirrel and grackle carcasses piling up in their yards though...
-
they are good shooters ,I just sold one at gun show for 100 dollars about 35 dollars less than I paid for it. because I new they are selling new at wal mart for 98 dollars
-
had it about a year (1500 shots). I noticed power dropping off lately. Read here to change breach seal. Picked an o-ring outof an assortment and got back 50fps...shooting 660-670 with Crossman HP 14.3. Before I started reading this forum I used to lave it cocked for long periods waiting for Mr Raccoon to raid the garbage. A lot of times left it cocked overnight so figured I killed my spring. Ordered a "universal Chinese" spring from JM.
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/6825218.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/6825218.htm)
Built a spring compressor and got it apart today. Looked pretty good inside. A couple of rough spots I cleaned up with a file and 400 sandpaper. Pulled the new spring out of the package and its much longer than the original!! Anyone out there used this spring in RS2 or TF 89 etc.?? I read here it would work but surprised how muck loger it is than stock.
-
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/6825218.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251488/6825218.htm)
thats the spring you want to use
-
OK perfect, thats the one I have. It"s a couple of inches longer than the one that came out. Maybe because I left it cocked for long periods so it got shorter. Did this spring improve velocity? Any tips for compressing it and getting it in? Used the 4 bolt method to get it out on the Beeman Rs2 Sportsman. This is my first airgun dissasembly. Any advice appreciated. Trying to figure out how to set the bolts in the right position so I can get the trigger and pins back in once its compressed.
-
Has anyone attempted to remove the sights from their barrels?
-
I did. It s basically pressed on, but underneath the sight the barrel is cut down. Doesn't look good without the sight. I basically wrapped it with a rag and grabed it with vice grip and twisted. My sight was broken so it had to come off. Not sue I would recomend it if you plan to put it back on.
-
I was wandering through the fishing department at Wally World about a year ago and happened upon the "BB Guns" section and saw a Daisy Red Ryder. Well, I had one of these as a kid and felt a wave of nostalgia come over me. Underneath I saw some more "grown up" pellet rifles and decided to take home the Beeman. I had never heard of Beeman or anything, but the extra .22 cal barrel and the pretty wooden stock turned me on, so I bought it. I'm not prone to impulse buys, but that was definitely all impulse.
Anyway...I shot it a couple of times at a home made target and was concerned about ricochet, so I put together one of those silent pellet trap kits from Archer. I had meant to stain and varnish it, but I just never got around to it. Long story short, the gun just sat in my closet for the better part of a year.
Well, I asked my brother-in-law to help me sight in the scope this past Thanksgiving, and I haven't been able to put the thing down yet. Then I found this site and saw many others tinkering with the same gun and how people have been tuning the gun and getting even better experiences and more accuracy.
I shot about 300 pellets using the .177 barrel and those standard Crosman pointed pellets. Then, after reading this site, I picked up a tin of the Crosman Premier Hollow Point pellets, and the gun shoots much more consistently now. The standard Crosman's seemed to be inconsistent inasmuch as some pellets would fit tightly in the breach and some would fit rather loosely...the Premiers all fit nice and tight.
I adjusted the trigger some so that the 2nd stage doesn't have such a long throw and to decrease the overall pull weight some. That helped quite a bit as well. Other than that I haven't done a single thing to this gun and can shoot 5 shot groups with only 2 or 3 holes in the paper target at 10 yards and 1-2" groups at 25 yards. I don't know if that's good or not, but I like it!
I'd like to recrown the barrel, and debur and relube the innards to try and get some better action and accuracy. I'm also looking forward to reworking the trigger as well...the 2 stage action is much better after my adjustments, but it's not very smooth.
I hate the open sights. You can actually see the front sight in the scope...it's all blurry and is very distracting. So, I yanked the plastic front sight off the .177...now it's just ugly. Looks like a muzzle brake is in my future.
I'm also considering a new scope and single mount. The concensus seems to be that a single mount is a must, and I'd like a 3-9x scope vs. the 4x scope that came with it.
So far my experience with this air rifle has been very pleasant. I can't wait to get in there and start tinkering to make it even better!
Any suggestions or helpful advice is obviously welcome.
Iznadatoomah <---excited noob
-
Welcome, and thanks for the info about the Beeman. I,too, just re-discovered air rifles within the last year.
-
Hey guy's is there a difference between the walmrt 1073 and online models (1073 RS2) or are they all the same gun?
the reason i ask is they only want $98 for the wamart 1073, but it seem to have no mention of (RS2)on the box and the (1073 RS2) from pyramid air is $135 + Shipping, so i figure it has a better trigger and guaranteed to be a brand new unopened box might be the reason for the price diff??????????
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-rs2-dual-caliber-air-rifle-combo?m=1334 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-rs2-dual-caliber-air-rifle-combo?m=1334)
-
There's a disclaimer in the box that says it is indeed an RS2.......the one from Wal-Mart.
-
My Beeman 1073 from Walmart says "Sportsman RS2 Series" on the receiver just behind the breech. I say save yourself a few bucks and go with Wally unless PA tells you it's RS2 is made in Germany. Worth a phone call to find that out before going with either one. Just my two cents. BTW the trigger on mine seems quite good. Most will say give it a polish, but I like to rough it.
darryl
-
Hey guy's is there a difference between the walmrt 1073 and online models (1073 RS2) or are they all the same gun?
the reason i ask is they only want $98 for the wamart 1073, but it seem to have no mention of (RS2)on the box and the (1073 RS2) from pyramid air is $135 + Shipping, so i figure it has a better trigger and guaranteed to be a brand new unopened box might be the reason for the price diff??????????
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-rs2-dual-caliber-air-rifle-combo?m=1334 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/beeman-rs2-dual-caliber-air-rifle-combo?m=1334)
The difference is $37 + shipping. It's basically the same air rifle.
-
Thanks for the info,
One of the boxes at walmart was opened and i checked the receiver and it say's Sportsman RS2 Series, so it's the same gun as the PA (1073 RS2) only less money, i think the PA gun is $135 because you get free shipping, but if i need to return it to PA they charge restocking fee, so if i get a lemon from walmart i can just take it back until i get a good one or my money back.
THANKS AGAIN FOR THE HELP GREAT FORUM BTW
Hey Any one know any thing about the beeman kodiak x2, just a little more $$$ then the 1073 but with a synthetic stock and nice looking muzzle break on both barrels.
http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/cart/products/Beeman_Kodiak_X2_Dual_Caliber_Air_Rifles_177_22-225-70.html (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/cart/products/Beeman_Kodiak_X2_Dual_Caliber_Air_Rifles_177_22-225-70.html)
-
Question re peep sight:
Howdy, folks.
I bought my rifle to dispatch grackles at relatively short range (generally under 80 feet), and since I don't want to freak out the neighbors by opening my window very wide, I'd rather not mount the scope.
I do pretty well with the standard sights but I'm used to a peep sight so I prefer an aperture sight. I'm none too impressed with the stock rear sight and it makes sense that I'd get better accuracy increasing my sight radius so dramatically.
Does anyone know of a peep that I can mount without having to mess around with the front sight, too? Both of the aperture sights recommended on Pyramydair (from Beeman and Mendoza) have been discontinued.
Will the Williams GRS-54 work? I don't mind having to machine the underside of it to fit the dovetail on my Sportsman RS2, but I'd rather leave the front sight as is.
Thanks for any help you may offer.
BTW: Sometime when I get out in open country I'll mount the scope. What does everyone think of the scope included with this kit?
-
Hi Blastum,
I have Williams peeps mounted on my rifles. The model you want is the FP_AG or the FP_AG_TK (for Targeting Knobs). Go to Midway USA's site here: http://www.midwayusa.com/ (http://www.midwayusa.com/) and type Williams FP_AG in the search box. I tried to do that for you, but the site must be doing maintenance at this hour. This is Williams's site:
http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/gunsightsdefault.htm (http://www.williamsgunsight.com/gunsights/gunsightsdefault.htm)
14168 FP-AG For air guns and .22 rifles with dovetail grooved receivers and high line of sights. (No drilling and tapping required.) $73.95
14170 FP-AG-TK For air guns and .22 rifles with dovetail grooved receiver and high line of sights. No drilling and tapping required. (With Target Knobs) $85.95
Midway offers slightly lower prices, I think. Also, I found my TK used on the Yellow.
I think the stock scope will be OK for what you want to use it for (grackles). Others can chime in about that. Hope that helps,
darryl
-
Thanks, Darryl.
So neither of those would require modifying the front sight?
I have dialed this thing in so that at 70 feet I can generally place 6 or 7 of ten shots in a 2-inch circle. If I can keep that up I might actually pass on the peep sight, since my rifle kit only cost $140, tax included. Those sights are very pricey considering the price for the rifle. (Of course the first time I saw the price on a Centra peep I thought it was a misprint!)
This is my first springer and I'm told that the accuracy improves as it breaks in.
This rifle (at least mine) seems to like Beeman pellets. The skirts fit in the breech very nicely and feel just right. I have gotten the results named above with Kodiaks. I tried Silver Arrows and they didn't work as well. Daisy and Crosman pellets seemed to spray all over the place.
I haven't put many Crow-Magnums through the bore but while my Benjamin 392 was working, the C-Ms gave me very erratic accuracy. Pity, because when I peg a grackle with one of those it usually never moves again: lights out. The Kodiaks bring them down but it's not always an immediate kill.
When I line up on a grackle I prefer a copper Kodiak; the finish is quite consistent and I think that they have taken special care with those.
-
Blastum,
I can only speak to my experience with the peeps. I have two RWS rifles. I put peeps on both of them while using the original front sights, and had good results. Having said that, the front post on these rifles are rather wide, so I ordered globe sights for both of them, and extra inserts. Doing that gave me finer aim points, and my groups improved. As I recall, the RS2 has a much smaller front post, and it's a brighter front sight than on my RWS rifles. I will hazard a guess that it will work just fine. If I still had mine, I'd put a peep on it to check it out for you. But I would not blame you if you were hesitant to try it.
-
Hi, Darryl--
Thanks for the clarification, sir.
I think if I had a really slick German-made air rifle I could see putting $75+ into the nicer Williams sights.
Since I only paid $140 for this rifle and I'm getting pretty good accuracy with the open sights, I ordered a basic Williams GRS54 from Midway. The thing *looks* as if it's low-profile enough, and with an extra aperture at .050" (the supplied aperture is .093"), at $47 including the shipping it's really more than I'd prefer to pay but not exactly a ripoff. So if this works out I should get better groups; if not I'm basically okay as is.
Tell you what: I'm somewhat surprised at how pellet-sensitive the 1073 is. I get reasonably tight and very consistent groups at 78 feet with Beeman Kodiaks; the pattern is even better with the copper Kodiaks, so I do an occasional round of practice with those, and if I'm lining up on a grackle I always load a copper Kodiak.
Since dialing in the open sights for the Kodiaks, I tried a round with Crow Magnums, and again I was disappointed. Not that the C-Ms are a bad pellet; they just don't give me the accuracy of the Kodiaks. I'd prefer to use the C-Ms for the grackles, what with all the C-M's great expansion & knockdown. . .but if I don't always get the round on target, it doesn't matter whether it's a hollowpoint or not. (I may eventually fill the expansion cups on a few C-Ms with wax to see if that improves their ballistics.)
I don't have a chrony, so I'm not sure what sort of velocity I'm getting with the Kodiaks--probably fairly slow, probably not anywhere near the 850 fps listed on the 1073 box--but again, I bought this rifle to thin out the grackle population and put them on notice to stay away.
Whatever velocity I'm getting, the grackles cannot outrun it, and it delivers a wallop when I hit the s.o.b.s.
-
Hi Blastum,
Good luck with your selection. Let us know how it works out (I might try one myself, depending). ;)
darryl
-
Dialing in the open sights.
While I wait for my peep sight to arrive in the mail, I've got the open sights adjusted so that of 10 shots at 70 feet, I usually place 7 within a 2-inch ring.
The other three are simply a matter of not keeping cool enough as I ease the trigger back. Still working on that.
-
Most of my concentration is n the trigger pull (don't JERK IT Darryl!!)
-
Darryl,
Yup, slow & easy seems to get it best.
Frankly, the tip I've heard since I was a kid about squeezing the trigger has never worked for me: That motion *is* a pull, but a very even and deliberate one, simultaneously keeping the sights glued right on target. My groups may not be world-class, but they are tolerable. I bought this rifle to rid my yard of grackles and most of the time I line up on one it will not fly away.
I'd really like to sit out back with the rifle leaned against the table ready to blow those darn things right out of the trees, and by right someone should pay me a bounty for every grackle I drop, but the neighbors would get all torqued and you're not supposed to use an air rifle in my city anyhow; so. . . .
I don't know how this will work--I'm sure that it is not orthodox--but when my peep sight arrives, since I have been getting decent results with my open rear sight, I may use that as a guide for my initial setting of the peep: that is, I will probably mount the peep's base and then align the movable part so that through the aperture I can see the front sight right on in the notch. That could be a little crowded for ordinary shooting, but it stands to reason that that would serve well as a starting point.
And then the increased sight radius combined with the restricted view of the peep ought to help improve my accuracy. We'll see.
If I had my druthers, I'd get an underlever instead of a break-barrel; the simple reality that you swing the barrel radically out of firing alignment every time you cock & load it kind of bugs me. But a really nice underlever would be at least 3 times what I paid for this rifle--and I cannot complain about its performance to date. I liked my Benjamin 392 until it crapped out, and I will get it fixed and use it some more in the future, but this little springer has demonstrated the utility of one stroke to fire.
-
Side levers need love air_gunner too. I have two currently, and bought globe front sights for both, as well as a couple of inserts. The rifles are in my signature.
Post a picture of your setup when you've got it where you want it. I'd like to see it. ;)
darryl
-
I also bought one from Wally World about 5 months ago. I removed the sights and installed the scope, although I installed a 11mm to picatinny adapter and the stronger picatinny mounts. It has held up nicely. As for the front sight, I warmed it up with a blow dryer and then placed a piece of wood against it and rapped the wood with a hammer. Sight came right off. I removed the rear sight as well, and threaded slotted set screws in the rear sight holes, cut them off with a dremel, then filed them flat. Then touched up with cold blue. Prior to inserting the set screws, I used threadlock on them and let them set. As for the choked section of the barrel inside the sight, I removed it with a hacksaw, filed it level, and recrowned it. Shoots very nicely and without any tuning (yet), and am getting between 800and 820 fps with CPHPs (14.3 gr). I also dismantled the trigger, deburred and polished the mating surfaces ....then light coat of molly.....pull is much smoother and reasonable.
Tip: Check your stock screws...and put a little threadlock on them (blue color) so that you can still remove them later. Also, if you mount your scope, use the same threadlock on the mount bolts.
I was wandering through the fishing department at Wally World about a year ago and happened upon the "BB Guns" section and saw a Daisy Red Ryder. Well, I had one of these as a kid and felt a wave of nostalgia come over me. Underneath I saw some more "grown up" pellet rifles and decided to take home the Beeman. I had never heard of Beeman or anything, but the extra .22 cal barrel and the pretty wooden stock turned me on, so I bought it. I'm not prone to impulse buys, but that was definitely all impulse.
Anyway...I shot it a couple of times at a home made target and was concerned about ricochet, so I put together one of those silent pellet trap kits from Archer. I had meant to stain and varnish it, but I just never got around to it. Long story short, the gun just sat in my closet for the better part of a year.
Well, I asked my brother-in-law to help me sight in the scope this past Thanksgiving, and I haven't been able to put the thing down yet. Then I found this site and saw many others tinkering with the same gun and how people have been tuning the gun and getting even better experiences and more accuracy.
I shot about 300 pellets using the .177 barrel and those standard Crosman pointed pellets. Then, after reading this site, I picked up a tin of the Crosman Premier Hollow Point pellets, and the gun shoots much more consistently now. The standard Crosman's seemed to be inconsistent inasmuch as some pellets would fit tightly in the breach and some would fit rather loosely...the Premiers all fit nice and tight.
I adjusted the trigger some so that the 2nd stage doesn't have such a long throw and to decrease the overall pull weight some. That helped quite a bit as well. Other than that I haven't done a single thing to this gun and can shoot 5 shot groups with only 2 or 3 holes in the paper target at 10 yards and 1-2" groups at 25 yards. I don't know if that's good or not, but I like it!
I'd like to recrown the barrel, and debur and relube the innards to try and get some better action and accuracy. I'm also looking forward to reworking the trigger as well...the 2 stage action is much better after my adjustments, but it's not very smooth.
I hate the open sights. You can actually see the front sight in the scope...it's all blurry and is very distracting. So, I yanked the plastic front sight off the .177...now it's just ugly. Looks like a muzzle brake is in my future.
I'm also considering a new scope and single mount. The concensus seems to be that a single mount is a must, and I'd like a 3-9x scope vs. the 4x scope that came with it.
So far my experience with this air rifle has been very pleasant. I can't wait to get in there and start tinkering to make it even better!
Any suggestions or helpful advice is obviously welcome.
Iznadatoomah <---excited noob
-
Wow! Change of plans: Going with the scope instead of an aperture sight.
A friend & I set up an outdoor range on his property yesterday and just for fun we mounted the scope supplied with this kit.
I am much further impressed with this value now. I figured that for $140, with swappable barrels and a scope, they'd have to skimp somewhere. The scope seemed a logical place.
I was wrong. The field of view is bright, the adjustments on the scope click almost like a watch, and the improvement in accuracy is startling.
I only have to raise my window about half an inch wider to use the scope, so it's still inconspicuous, and since the object is putting a pellet dead on target to dispatch a grackle I believe I've found a winning combination.
I'm delighted.
Now I can see if Midway's return policy is a smooth as their reputation on this Wiliiams peep sight. I'm glad that I didn't mess up its package.
-
Yes, the included scope is pretty good. Glad you discovered it. :)
-
I had a 1073 before I loved it so much that I got it again this time as a 1074.
This gun got even better! :D
-
Pellet Sensitivity
I've read that certain rifles prefer certain pellets, and now I definitely believe it.
On my outdoor backyard range, I can easily put 10 Kodiaks in a 2" circle. The accuracy is even better with copper Kodiaks, so when I'm lining up on a grackle that's what I use.
I bought a tin of Silver Arrows and one of Silver Stings. . .and I was surprised!
The Arrows and Stings don't group even as well as Crow-Magnums. The pattern is actually several times as large as the Kodiak will produce.
So with this rifle, I'll use the Kodiaks for target practice and copper Kodiaks for kills. Nothing but Kodiaks seem to do the job.
Is it typical for a rifle to be this pellet-sensitive?
-
Yes it is.. The same kind of gun can prefer different pellets. My beeman rs2 loves the CPHPs.
-
Sudden wildness in accuracy.
I hadn't shot my rifle much in a few weeks because the grackles have stayed away. But they started coming back, and I've been surprised not to drop any.
So I set up a target and the pellets were scattering all over the place.
The rifle has not been banged around, the scope is tight and so are the other setscrews.
Any suggestions as to the possible cause?
-
Possibly the works have gone dry? Or seal deterioration, either breech or piston.
-
Possibly the works have gone dry? Or seal deterioration, either breech or piston.
Wouldn't it take a while and some heavy use for that to occur? I've only had my rifle since June and I'd guesstimate that I have not put more than 400 pellets through it. By my reckoning, it should just now be getting well broken in.
-
Oh I didn't see it was only a few weeks since last shot. You are right this is just strange. Maybe a good BBL cleaning then reseason it with a couple hundred shots will bring it back. Might have got a spider in it or some dust and it causing the bad shots.
-
Good to go again?
Well, I'm at a loss to explain why this might have been necessary, but I simply adjusted the scope down & right (22 and 17 clicks, respectively) and I'm shooting 1.5" groups again.