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Regulator for my AA s510 FAC (( MY NEXT ADVENTURE ))
Any advice would be appreciated avoiding pit falls.
Any place in USA to get one ??
What about Lane Regulators from UK ??
Some very good advice on these AA guns on UK site and most all top shooters in the know recommend a regulator and hammer and rail polish to get much better consistence in FPS out of my AA s510.
I think I am really being to like working on my own gun very enjoyable and I am really careful on documenting break down until I learn all the ins and outs of this gun and of course all the advice from here and from UK guys
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Altaros makes a regulator for the AA 510 for about $120 US shipped. Altaros posted how to videos on you-tube and they answer questions if you ask. This is where I would start my AA 510 regulator search. What caliber do you have?
http://www.altaros.cz/regulators/airarms-classic/ (http://www.altaros.cz/regulators/airarms-classic/)
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milo74 is a member here on the GTA, he may be able to help you out.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=9821 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=profile;u=9821)
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the Robert lane is the best, there are other options, but they are kinda like putting store brand oil in a Aston Martin...
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Robert lane is the way to go. I have it on my MPR. Love it. Make sure you let him know what power and regulated pressure what the reg set at.
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wilsonj1018 and Rdsail
I had a Robert Lane regulator for my Marauder Rifle, and I have a regulator from milo74 , also for my Marauder Rifle. I think I may already have a couple of ideas about it, but I was hoping you two guys could offer some insight as to why the Robert Lane Regulator is the way to go ? Did you have any issues with either/both, if so what were they ?
Thx
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well I have a friend that has had quite a few issues with one of the other mentioned regulators. the rl regs have been around a while and are proven.
Josh
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I'll be putting a reg in my s510, most likely a huma as I'm extremely happy with the one in my R10
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I have only used RL regulator on my AA MPR. I did a lot of research before purchasing. I found that the RL regs seam to have the least amount of reported issues. Yes they are expensive but in my opinion it was worth it.
I get a SD between 6-10 fps over 90 shots. I find that outstanding.
My main recommendation is to shot string for both efficiency and accuracy. I found in 3 different guns that the accuracy goes in hand with efficiency. Example. The MPR is around 120-130 bar and on too discos is between 1400-1600. Set the MPR at 120 and the disco at 1600.
I also found that you loose a little efficiency once you install the regulator. I think it is because of the plenum.
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I'll be putting a reg in my s510, most likely a huma as I'm extremely happy with the one in my R10
When I contacted huma for a reg on my MPR (s400) they did not seem as knowledgeable on the AAs as other guns. They did not even have a kit for the plenum. When I contacted RL, it was the complete opposite he knew exactly what I need it and even sent two different plenum spacers.
I just felt more confident with RL.
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Robert lane is the way to go. I have it on my MPR. Love it. Make sure you let him know what power and regulated pressure what the reg set at.
From what I read that is true however is the UK the only place you can get it ??
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Yup the lane is the way to go. Have installed a few of them in different aa rifles. Have been happy with them all, though know you will have to do running to the rifle to get it functioning correctly.
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Robert Lane ships anywhere in the world!
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I'll be putting a reg in my s510, most likely a huma as I'm extremely happy with the one in my R10
When I contacted huma for a reg on my MPR (s400) they did not seem as knowledgeable on the AAs as other guns. They did not even have a kit for the plenum. When I contacted RL, it was the complete opposite he knew exactly what I need it and even sent two different plenum spacers.
I just felt more confident with RL.
true they don't have much info on the mpr, they do on the s510 though.
I was looking at their kit and instructions (huma), robert lane no doubt make good regs and does have much more indepth info. the closer I get to working on the s510 I'll be narrowing down my choice as it's not written in stone yet. but the huma has done wonders for my bsa.
right now I'm about to start on my mrod with a huma reg which replaces the gauge block. if it doesn't work I'll get a RL reg.
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If you look at the S400 (mpr) and the S510 is prety much the same components. I would recommend for you to spend some time reading the UK forums.
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Yup the lane is the way to go. Have installed a few of them in different aa rifles. Have been happy with them all, though know you will have to do running to the rifle to get it functioning correctly.
Just what does this mean (( though know you will have to do running to the rifle to get it functioning correctly.))
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Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part. Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things. I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.
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the Robert lane is the best, there are other options, but they are kinda like putting store brand oil in a Aston Martin...
Agreed. I did a bit of a write up of my Lane reg install in my AA S500 a month or so ago.
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Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part. Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things. I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.
If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.
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Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part. Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things. I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.
If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.
is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?
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I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco and it is set for 1800 PSI and I have had no problem with it at all. He can make you one to fit whatever you need it for. The price was very reasonable. Below is some pics of the regulator he made for me as well as the tubing that I made to use for a plenum, you must have plenum or it will not work very well, it also needs a breather hole drilled into the tube. He will give you full instructions with it! He can set the regulator to the PSI you need, so you need to test your gun over a chronograph and see what PSI matches your FPE that you want it set at.
William
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In my talk with the man himself he said 12 ftlbs can be very difficult to get it just right and should not be taken on with out some experiences working on air gun.
Of course he was taking UK rules about what is allowed in UK with out breaking the law.
And at the same time he said a FAC full power 30lbs+ is very straight forward and will work very well with little work be size just dropping Lane regulator in and drilling vent hole in air tank.
Also said small improvements can be had with playing with hammer spring and work on the hammer its self.
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In my talk with the man himself he said 12 ftlbs can be very difficult to get it just right and should not be taken on with out some experiences working on air gun.
Of course he was taking UK rules about what is allowed in UK with out breaking the law.
And at the same time he said a FAC full power 30lbs+ is very straight forward and will work very well with little work be size just dropping Lane regulator in and drilling vent hole in air tank.
Also said small improvements can be had with playing with hammer spring and work on the hammer its self.
WIth mine from Milo74 I can go anywhere from high 500 FPS up to 920 FPS using the Rear Velocity Adjuster on my Disco. with a 15.9 JSB or the liter 14 grain crosmans.
William
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In my talk with the man himself he said 12 ftlbs can be very difficult to get it just right and should not be taken on with out some experiences working on air gun.
Of course he was taking UK rules about what is allowed in UK with out breaking the law.
And at the same time he said a FAC full power 30lbs+ is very straight forward and will work very well with little work be size just dropping Lane regulator in and drilling vent hole in air tank.
Also said small improvements can be had with playing with hammer spring and work on the hammer its self.
WIth mine from Milo74 I can go anywhere from high 500 FPS up to 920 FPS using the Rear Velocity Adjuster on my Disco. with a 15.9 JSB or the liter 14 grain crosmans.
William
A little off topic but can you post a photo of your regulated Benjamin Discovery .22 w/Double Tube Kit? Sounds like a project I would like to start this winter. The rear power adjuster is incorporated with the regulator?
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In my talk with the man himself he said 12 ftlbs can be very difficult to get it just right and should not be taken on with out some experiences working on air gun.
Of course he was taking UK rules about what is allowed in UK with out breaking the law.
And at the same time he said a FAC full power 30lbs+ is very straight forward and will work very well with little work be size just dropping Lane regulator in and drilling vent hole in air tank.
Also said small improvements can be had with playing with hammer spring and work on the hammer its self.
WIth mine from Milo74 I can go anywhere from high 500 FPS up to 920 FPS using the Rear Velocity Adjuster on my Disco. with a 15.9 JSB or the liter 14 grain crosmans.
William
A little off topic but can you post a photo of your regulated Benjamin Discovery .22 w/Double Tube Kit? Sounds like a project I would like to start this winter. The rear power adjuster is incorporated with the regulator?
Here is a link with pics and posts to my Disco Double tube and regulator...
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76493.msg728045#msg728045 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76493.msg728045#msg728045)
William
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Here is a link with pics and posts to my Disco Double tube and regulator...
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76493.msg728045#msg728045 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76493.msg728045#msg728045)
William
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Really nice airgun. I remember reading the thread, a few have a shroud or an ldc is that optional at the time of purchase? I am going to do some research. The Disco is a Discovery with mods?
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While having limited experience with the AA PCP rifles, seems logical a regulator manufacturer ALSO based in the UK would have there Design and R&D well ahead of others where said rifles are far less popular.
That said ... worked extensively with Audrius, Huub/Huma, Milo74 regulators finding them to be outstanding once the parameters of a reg conversion are correctly proportioned.
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Here is a link with pics and posts to my Disco Double tube and regulator...
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76493.msg728045#msg728045 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76493.msg728045#msg728045)
William
Really nice airgun. I remember reading the thread, a few have a shroud or an ldc is that optional at the time of purchase? I am going to do some research. The Disco is a Discovery with mods?
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Everything you see on my Disco is a Mod, you have to order the LDC or the Shroud separate. With a shroud you of course do not need an LDC!
Most Mods are generally from different online stores so you have to order seperate, Norm and Lloyd do offer a lot of these Mods if you contact them.
My Mods
1. BNM Multi-shot Breech w/shroud
2. Second Barrel Band
3. Power adjuster
4. Spring Guide
5. Regulated at 1800 PSI ) thanks to milo74 for the custom regulator.
6. Blaster Stalk
7. Reamed out Pressure Gauge Block for better/more air flow
8. opened Valve port and barrel port {more air flow)
9. 3 Screw Trigger Mod.
10. New sling swivel studs, on all my guns.
11. 3000 PSI Mod - High Tinsel Screws holding valve (10x32)
12. 3000 PSI Gauge.
13. Almost forgot: Disco Double Tube Kit
14. opened up the Gauge Block for more air flow.
15. 6x24x56mm Scope.
Full power she shoots 25 to 30 shots (a lot more with lower power) at an average of 920 FPS with 15.9 Grain JSBs, 3/8 to 1/2 inch groups at 50 yards consistently.
Everything except the regulator came from Norm at Discos R US http://discosrus.net/ (http://discosrus.net/) and also Lloyd at http://airgunlab.com (http://airgunlab.com)
William
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Well placed a order with Robert Lane regulators and it is on it's way. 8)
I must add never have a dealt with anyone that when out of his way so much to answer all my stupid questions at least they had to be stupid to him. 8)
If you read this Rob it was really appreciated.
Just one outstanding gentleman and a endless source of info and inspiration with creative thinking on regulators .
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Take this time to head over to his youtube channel and watch all that you can...this helped me out a ton!
Yeah forgot to mention that all of my rifle were the UK version. It isn't hard to tune, though it was tricky. Took a bit of time, but was finally able to get everything set and the rifles shot great.
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I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco and it is set for 1800 PSI and I have had no problem with it at all. He can make you one to fit whatever you need it for. The price was very reasonable. Below is some pics of the regulator he made for me as well as the tubing that I made to use for a plenum, you must have plenum or it will not work very well, it also needs a breather hole drilled into the tube. He will give you full instructions with it! He can set the regulator to the PSI you need, so you need to test your gun over a chronograph and see what PSI matches your FPE that you want it set at.
William
William, I guess this is done with the power adjuster full open and start out with pressure around 1000-1200 on a FAC 22? I've got a S500 and would like to reg it also.
Jimmy
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I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco and it is set for 1800 PSI and I have had no problem with it at all. He can make you one to fit whatever you need it for. The price was very reasonable. Below is some pics of the regulator he made for me as well as the tubing that I made to use for a plenum, you must have plenum or it will not work very well, it also needs a breather hole drilled into the tube. He will give you full instructions with it! He can set the regulator to the PSI you need, so you need to test your gun over a chronograph and see what PSI matches your FPE that you want it set at.
William
William, I guess this is done with the power adjuster full open and start out with pressure around 1000-1200 on a FAC 22? I've got a S500 and would like to reg it also.
Jimmy
Jimmy, you need to fill the gun full 3000 PSI and shoot a string over the Chronograph and record the shots FPS and Pressure it was at for each shots FPS associated with that pressure. Then decide what your curve is or what pressure you need the regulator set to achieve that FPS (FPE). So if you shot 20 shots and you wanted 850 FPS, see what pressure the gun was at when it shot at 850 FPS, this would be the lowest pressure it shot at that FPS. You can later after setup fine tune the gun with the FAC setting knob on the S500.
Lets say you shot a string and the gun shot from 830 fps (3000 PSI Fill) to 850 fps (1800 PSI) then back to 830 fps (1600 PSI Last shot) . You would want the regulator set at 1800 PSI. 1800 PS is a good PSI for a .22 cal.
The Pic below of the Graph will show you what i mean and show why I set my regulator to 1800 PSI at shot #29 or 30.
(http://www.webexpressplus.com/disco/discobnm/159JSB.jpg)
Hope this makes sinse,
William
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William, your graph shows exactly how and why to decide what pressure to decide on for the setpoint of the regulator.... PROVIDED that you have a plenum volume of about 1cc per FPE to go with it (which from the looks of the picture of your plenum spacer above you do).... If the plenum is half that big, you will typically need about a 100 psi higher setpoint to make up for the pressure loss during the shot.... Going smaller than 1/2 cc per FPE will result in a significant drop in both velocity and efficiency....
Guys should realize going in that at a given power level, a regulated gun will end up being less efficient than what you can achieve unregulated.... That is because the high pressure portion of the string in an unregulated gun operates with tiny sips of air that are more efficient than the larger gulps of air at lower pressure necessary to get the same FPE.... That is the price you pay for more consistent velocities....
Bob
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I worked it backwards this evening. I shot the gun down to 80 bar and started adding pressure in 10Bar increments until I got close to my targeted FPS (880) and then started checking velocities every 5 bar. I did this with a very accurate digital Crystal test gauge. I tried to stop the fills at 1-1.5 bar above my target to allow for a little lost pressure when I bled off the micro bore fill hose. It looks like a preset pressure of 130bar would be really close. Here are my results. This was with the power adjust full open shooting JSB 18.1's. From what I'm reading regulating a 22FAC is easier than low power guns?
Jimmy
90-768
100-800
110-828
120-854
125-867
130-876(might be a little higher in warmer conditions)
135-890
140-899
145-907
150-914
155-926
160-931
165-934
170-939
180-925
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Thanks for the info guys, I need to research the RL a little more and find out if the TP and barrel port are big enough on a FAC model without drilling out. I believe a plenum spacer comes with the regulator. Robert, I'll sacrifice a little efficiency for hassle free shot consistency, thanks for the head up though.
Jimmy
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Thanks for the info guys, I need to research the RL a little more and find out if the TP and barrel port are big enough on a FAC model without drilling out. I believe a plenum spacer comes with the regulator. Robert, I'll sacrifice a little efficiency for hassle free shot consistency, thanks for the head up though.
Jimmy
A little different way of calculating your set point for the regulator, but I think you now fully understand what the new regulator needs set at. Most .22 cal. guns with a regulator seem to in most case work very well set at around 1800 PSI. Now just as Bob mentioned you need to make sure you get the correct plenum size, it looks like you will be shooting right at 30 FPE so, Bob's explanation is you need a Plenum that is approx 1cc per FPE which equals a 30cc of plenum! You may very well have a few CC's of plenum inside the valve so your plenum may not have to be a full 30cc's.
Bob knows more about what's inside some of the valves so maybe he can chime in and give a better explanation of how big it needs to be for your particular gun, after all he is the one that showed me what I needed.
Oh, and remember that if you go changing the TP and Port sizes it may change what you need your set point at in the regulator, so maybe it might be best to do those mods first!
William
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Hopefully with the gun being FAC the factory TP and barrel port will be large enough and not need modding. Still looking for information on that. I might try calling Robert Lane tomorrow.
Thanks again
jimmy
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Was told by Robert Lane The AA s510 FAC 30 ft-lbs the barrel ports are large enough as is and need no work.
Like he told me 30 ft-lbs and larger are much easier to install regulators than 12ft-lbs guns being change to higher power.
He set my regulator at 130 bar.
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Hopefully with the gun being FAC the factory TP and barrel port will be large enough and not need modding. Still looking for information on that. I might try calling Robert Lane tomorrow.
Thanks again
jimmy
Looking at the shot string you did, I would agree with abslayer, that the ports are already big enough. Being that it is FAC with a power adjuster they should be already opened up!
William
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That would sure make things easier and less chance of a major disaster ;)
jk
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That would sure make things easier and less chance of a major disaster ;)
jk
I personally think that with the FPS on some of your shots and the FPS that you will get at 1800 Regulated, I would just make sure you have the correct plenum and not touch anything else, mine (Disco) set at 1800 PSI is perfect, I can go just about any velocity I want using my hammer spring power adjuster, you can just use the power wheel, this will give you plenty of room for fine tuning different pellets. At most I would do is maybe later is put a stronger hammer spring in just to give it a little more power and you can fine tune with the power adjuster, but only if you need too.
Make sure you post back and let us know how everything is going.
Oh, did you say RL included a plenum? If so how big or how many CC's in volume is it?
William
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You should never need a stronger hammer spring when you install a regulator, in fact you are very likely going to have to reduce the preload, and possibly fit a weaker spring.... If you don't, you will almost always be wasting air....
Bob
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You should never need a stronger hammer spring when you install a regulator, in fact you are very likely going to have to reduce the preload, and possibly fit a weaker spring.... If you don't, you will almost always be wasting air....
Bob
Thanks Bob,
I didn't realize that, glad you stepped in and straightened me out!
Now that I think about it it would indeed waste air due to holding the valve open too long, instead if pressurizing the plenum and stopping, it would keep trying to pressurize it as you were letting air out of the other end! It all makes a lot more sense now. Kind of like trying to fill a tire up to 32 lbs but you forgot to plug the hole in it after pulling out the nail! Guess that sounds right!
Thank you,
William
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I think when you order the regulator with the known fpe that you want the plenum is sized accordingly. I was thinking if anything a lighter spring and maybe a hammer. I did that to my Mrod when I regged it.I ran my test to get the right pressure with the power adjuster wide open. Maybe I should have had it cut back a little for future adjustments.
Jimmy
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;) ;D Ok then after reading your thread I realize we are both in the same situation nice rifle and relatively nervous about what needs to be done to achieve the best overall performance. I just ordered this item for my .25 and if it works and moves the curve to a higher fps and psi then a regulator will be next
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Arms-s300-310-s400-410-510-FAC-ultra-high-flow-firing-pot-/141307078839?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item20e68ee8b7 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Air-Arms-s300-310-s400-410-510-FAC-ultra-high-flow-firing-pot-/141307078839?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item20e68ee8b7)
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I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco
William
(http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=79508.0;attach=95061;image)
Does that plenum spacer bridge the gauge hole in the Disco tube? If so why does it not leak?
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I have a Regulator from Milo74 in my Double tube Disco
William
(http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=79508.0;attach=95061;image)
Does that plenum spacer bridge the gauge hole in the Disco tube? If so why does it not leak?
It does not bridge the Gauge port, the gauge port stays where it is and it will show only regulated air pressure. In my Discovery the gauge port sets against my valve (some people think the gauge stem sets against the edge of the pressure tube, mine does not i checked to make sure) and the plenum sets against the gauge block then the regulator sets against the plenum.
All you need to do is make sure you have the correct plenum and the regulator set where you want at in PSI, then measure and make sure where the regulator is going to sit, once you do that then you will know where the breather hole needs drilled in the pressure tube for the regulator to breath (I think some regulators may not need a breather hole, but mine does). Once you figure all that out and double check to make sure, you slide the plenum down the tube from the muzzle end and then slide the regulator down on top of the plenum (make sure everything is lubed good like the Oring for sure) assemble the gun and fill it up, let it sit for 24 hours to check for leaks. I also while I was doing this removed the gauge block and made the air flow hole bigger to allow air to flow better and more of it. Doing this increased my FPS by about 20 to 30 FPS.
This procedure is for my Disco, other Airguns will of course be a little different on the installation!
Below is a pick that shows where the regulator sits in my Disco and where I drilled the breather hole! Yellow dotted line is the top of the plenum. Also the drilled hole in the air pressure tube does not have to line up exactly with the breather hole in the regulator, it just needs to be there at the same distance.
William
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Thanks for clearing that up. It will be interesting to see how the op gets on.
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;D Can you post a picture with the entire air tube showing the illustration is great otherwise. Thanks Don
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Thanks for clearing that up. It will be interesting to see how the op gets on.
O I think I will be fine as I have driven Mr. Lane nuts with questions that he has never failed to answer so I believe now it will be very easy now but time consuming adventure.
I will post once installed and tested.
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Here is 2 info packed PDF files Rob sent me that you guys will fine to be a good read and have pictures also.
PDF file #1 Best Read This General, Part On Valve Tuning:
And
PDF file #2 Outlet Valve Spring - MOST IMPORTANT
Site does not allow me to post link so if you want these to PDF files PM me with your e-mail and I will att. and send them 2 you or you may be able to get them with a search on Lane info
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;D Can you post a picture with the entire air tube showing the illustration is great otherwise. Thanks Don
Don & everyone,
This is how the Regulator goes in a Disco or other Airgun, Everything in front of the regulator is High Pressure air, as well as the lower tube on the Disco Double Tube kit. The only place there is regulated air is in the Regulator, Plenum, Gauge Block and Valve.
On my regulator I have to have a breather hole so if you look at the second pic that will show you were it needs drilled & Deburred or it will cut O'rings while sliding in the parts. (Some Regulators don't need a Breather hole, so make sure if yours needs one or not, most will need it).
My Double tube Disco give me (depending on hammer load) 30 to 40 regulated shots, the Double Tube kit contains about 250cc of air, which 215cc is High pressure (depends on Plenum volume as well) and the rest in the Plenum, Gauge block and valve is regulated at 1800 PSI (thats what mine is set at) and the Gauge will only show you the pressure of the regulated air. This is just a very close estimate of air volume to give you an idea of how much is High Pressure and what is regulated pressure.
Also My Disco and Disco Double is modded for a 3000 PSI fill so I have 3000 PSI on the high pressure side.
Now if your Disco is NOT modded for the 3000 PSI fill, Do Not think you can fill it to 3000 PSI just because you have it regulated at a lower pressure. All the High Pressure Air is pushing all of those parts, Regulator, Plenum, Gauge Block and Valve, so if you do not change the Valve pinning screws from 8-32 to the High Strenght 10-32 screws they will not hold and could blow the valve and everything out the back of the gun hitting you, or worse exploding like a little bomb. So make sure everything is done right.
Ok done photo shopping ;D
Have a good day and I hope this helps you understand how it all works!
William
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;D ;) Thanks sometimes I need to see something before the words become understandable for me. Now I will take the next step with greater confidence. Now when I do the teardown on the S510 it will not be as intimidating. I have only been playing with these things for a little over a year and a half and PCP for only 10 months
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;D ;) Thanks sometimes I need to see something before the words become understandable for me. Now I will take the next step with greater confidence. Now when I do the teardown on the S510 it will not be as intimidating. I have only been playing with these things for a little over a year and a half and PCP for only 10 months
Same for me too Don, sometimes I just throw the instructions away and keep the pics, I know we all have done it lol
I hate it when my wife buys something like an entertainment center and brings it home in 10 boxes, :o ???
William
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Here is 2 info packed PDF files Rob sent me that you guys will fine to be a good read and have pictures also.
PDF file #1 Best Read This General, Part On Valve Tuning:
And
PDF file #2 Outlet Valve Spring - MOST IMPORTANT
Site does not allow me to post link so if you want these to PDF files PM me with your e-mail and I will att. and send them 2 you or you may be able to get them with a search on Lane info
We got a problem can't e-mail them as they are 2 are over 20 MB
Will try one at a time may go through
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Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part. Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things. I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.
If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.
is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?
Don't know how this thread went from a guy putting a Robert Lane regulator in an Air Arms to a conversation about discos. On my s500, I simply put the regulator in per the instructions and ended up with my power adjuster at around 3/4 and it is perfect. 80 shots at around 18 fpe with around 10 fps ES.
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For those that asked I e-mailed the links to the PDF files let me know if you got it
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Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part. Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things. I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.
If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.
is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?
Don't know how this thread went from a guy putting a Robert Lane regulator in an Air Arms to a conversation about discos.
For your information the Disco was used as an example of how a regulator gets install on most air guns including the S500, S510 or even an Mrod. The gentlemen asked for info and how it works, due to the fact that I explained it using the Disco (which is all I have with a aftermarket regulator install) I decided it best to for them to know the do's and don'ts as well to be safe.
Not to be nasty or sound rude but if you would have followed the posting in this thread you would have realized that!
Besides if you had done one already why haven't you explained or given examples of how its done, you know, not everyone has the ability to just do things as easily as others!
Anything else!
Thank you, have a nice day!
William
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Mel, any word on the delivery date of the regulator? I bet your getting ready. Looking forward to seeing the project through.
Jimmy
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Depending on the power of your rifle, the regulator won't be a straight drop in part. Typically you will have to play with the spring, transfer port size, and a few other things. I put my regulators in rifles that were 12 ftlbs and they were honestly a pain in the butt.
If you're shooting for 12 ft/lb you do, but in the AA FAC models it doesn't take more than you can do with the power adjuster. In fact, with the AA, there is very little else you can adjust. I get 80 regulated shots at 18+ ft/lb with an ES of about 10 fps. I did little else but install the reg.
is that with a RL? if so is your power wheel adjusted and not on full to get 18ft lbs?
Don't know how this thread went from a guy putting a Robert Lane regulator in an Air Arms to a conversation about discos.
For your information the Disco was used as an example of how a regulator gets install on most air guns including the S500, S510 or even an Mrod. The gentlemen asked for info and how it works, due to the fact that I explained it using the Disco (which is all I have with a aftermarket regulator install) I decided it best to for them to know the do's and don'ts as well to be safe.
Not to be nasty or sound rude but if you would have followed the posting in this thread you would have realized that!
Besides if you had done one already why haven't you explained or given examples of how its done, you know, not everyone has the ability to just do things as easily as others!
Anything else!
Thank you, have a nice day!
William
Hmmm, I did just that earlier if you happened to read the entire thread. Thanks for the nasty reply. Who micturated in your cornflakes this morning?
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Mel, any word on the delivery date of the regulator? I bet your getting ready. Looking forward to seeing the project through.
Jimmy
Not yet nasty this waiting
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Mel, any word on the delivery date of the regulator? I bet your getting ready. Looking forward to seeing the project through.
Jimmy
Not yet nasty this waiting
8) ;D Mel It looks like between us we should be able to crank these puppies up to serious hunter level with possible regulated fps in the neighborhood of 60 fps with 25 and 31 gr pellets and probably 20 to 30 regulated shots with a start pressure of ~ 2800 psi and drop off regulator at 1750 psi that is about where I was able to get 791 fps with the AA 25.4 Diablow pellets.Tonight I will try for 10 shots with the RS 31 gr HP's starting at 1800 PSI