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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: e_a_g_l_e_p_i on November 11, 2014, 11:05:57 AM
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Is somewhere between 35-40 feet long enough to setup a target shooting range in my basement. If the answer is yes my next few questions are, without going hog wild spending money on a air rifle I would like to get one that is designed as a sniper type rifle. I would appreciate all any any input to that question. I know a lot about handguns but I am totally a newbie in the air rifle field. I guess this post I will focus on which rifle and what type of ammo would be best for my situation. Then once I make up my mind as to which rifle I will but and ammo I will use I will then in another post discuss how to build the best stop so that I am being as safe as possible.
Thanks in advance
Ron
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https://www.pyramydair.com/product/daisy-powerline-953-targetpro?m=585 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/daisy-powerline-953-targetpro?m=585)
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Thanks Kirby,
Besides the link the rest of everything you said in your reply was all Greek to me. Remember I have never touched a air gun, I'm as new as a newbie can be.
I do appreciate your attempt to help me.
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not sure what you mean by sniper type rifle. A bolt action? if you're going to be indoors in winter. a scoped hammerli 850 will put all shots in the same hole at 30-40 feet . it can hit 1" targets at 50 yards easily. its co2 powered. easy to own, easy to shoot. co2 is terrible in cold weather though.
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Yes, that's plenty of room A very standard air rifle and air pistol target shooting distance (it's even an Olympic event) is 10 meters (33'). You can make a target backstop with a sturdy cardboard box and fill it with old magazines or there are plenty of posts here on how to build a pellet trap.
You'll need to provide more information about what use you will have for this rifle. If it is only shooting targets in your basement, then get a target gun. How much do you want to spend?
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First - WELCOME to the GTA!!! Would help if we knew what your budget for the rifle is. You can buy a $100 rifle that you probably wouldn't care for as you do know firearms in the sense of handguns. Then again you could spent $1000's for a target gun. Or you could spend say $500-$600 and set yourself up very nicely with a rifle you'd be proud to hand down. IMO you can't beat German made. I think you know what I'm talking about with the handgun knowledge. Good luck - Lee aka the "Shootist"
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I will try to answer all the questions in this one reply,
The only use for this rifle is target shooting in my basement. I have no interest in hunting so the rifle will be used in my basement to target shoot and that's it.
I did a search for Sniper type air rifles if you don't know what I mean by "Sniper type" all I can suggest is to do a Goggle search for "sniper type air rifle" Sorry I don't know enough to give you any answers, I just know what I saw when I did the search, I was going to post a external link to show you what results I got but the forum said I wasn't allowed to post external links.
Just Goggle "Sniper type air rifles" and you will see the type I would like. I'm not stuck on this type but it is what appeals to me as far as looks. I guess if all I plan to do is target shoot a sniper rifle would be the perfect chose in my mind, I also admit that my mind is not educated enough on this subject to chose a rifle so the sniper type might not be the right rifle for me.
As far as budget goes. I really have no limit but don't want to spend $500 when a $100 rifle will do that same thing.
Hope I answered all the questions
Ron
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Welcome Ron!!
Check this one out.
Lower power, easier to shoot well and very accurate!!
Will last a lifetime.
https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?keyword=Beeman+r7&sid=1375A617A415&N=0&Ntk=primary&q=Beeman+r7&cx=002970863286801882398:jlcminxfwdw&cof=FORID:11;NB:1&saSearch (https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?keyword=Beeman+r7&sid=1375A617A415&N=0&Ntk=primary&q=Beeman+r7&cx=002970863286801882398:jlcminxfwdw&cof=FORID:11;NB:1&saSearch)
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my google search of sniper type air rifles came up with air soft guns, not the same. if thats what you want , I'm out of ideas with out more info.
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http://www.straightshooters.com/how-to-choose-an-airgun.html (http://www.straightshooters.com/how-to-choose-an-airgun.html)
https://www.pyramydair.com/article/Which_Air_Gun_to_Choose/1 (https://www.pyramydair.com/article/Which_Air_Gun_to_Choose/1)
these may help you sort out what you're looking for.
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Why don't you find some of these "sniper rifle" types of air rifles that look interesting to you and give us makes and model numbers, since you haven't posted here enough to be able to post links. There are a whole bunch of possibilities, many of which are far more gun than you would need solely for indoor target shooting. For instance, Hatsan, a Turkish manufacturer, makes several Model 125 sniper variants with a synthetic stock with adjustable cheek piece and a bipod, but this is a 10lb+ magnum rifle with a heavy 50lb cocking force that will send many lighter pellets supersonic with a loud crack like a .22lr. You clearly don't need that sort of gun to shoot targets indoors at 10m or so. There are also a number of PCP (pre-charged pneumatic) rifles that look like some variation on an .50 Barrett-type sniper rifle, assault rifle or sci-fi laser rifle in appearance. Most of those will run you well over $500, though, and many of them are intended for hunting or longer range target shooting outdoors and will have a lot more power than one would need at 10m. By the way, you'll probably want a .177 for target shooting, since the pellets are cheaper and you won't need to worry about knockdown power and energy.
One can find some used bargains out there in the classifieds from time to time on recoilless competition match air rifles, which generally have fairly thick heavy stocks and shoot at the modest 500-600fps that works best for flathead wadcutter pellets that one will want to use for serious target shooting; new, these guns by brands such as Anschutz, Feinwerkbau, and Walther are in the $1,500++ range, but older used ones can sometimes be had for under $500. However, Daisy makes a number of single-stroke pneumatic target-specific air rifles that seem to be highly regarded for accuracy in the $130-$380 range - check these out:
https://www.pyramydair.com/air-guns/rifles (https://www.pyramydair.com/air-guns/rifles)
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There are those that feel less than "Match Grade" is not good enough me I even enjoy a Red ryder...
It is all about defining what you want... and budget...
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1295631526/What+is+the+nicest+self-contained+10m+rifle (http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1295631526/What+is+the+nicest+self-contained+10m+rifle)
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Another vote for the 850.
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Thanks for the replies now like I said I need to do my own research along with all of your suggestions, then I will be back to talk about what I decided on.
The "sniper type rifle" I refereed to, this is just one of them
Hatsan Model 125 Sniper .25 Camo Air Rifle Kit w/Scope, Bipod, and Sling
Thanks again
Ron
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Ummmmmm.......that is a tiny bit more gun than your needs suggest bro.
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I'm guessing a vertical or pistol type gripped rifle is something you are thinking of. If shooting in prone position a rifle with a bi-pod would be something to look at. And if shooting in the prone position a CO2 or PCP air rifle may be easier rather having to pump or cock. Also shooting in a confined area would something with a quite report be in order some air rifles can be pretty loud.
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Ummmmmm.......that is a tiny bit more gun than your needs suggest bro.
Guys keep in mind I said up front that I know nothing about air rifles, I said that this type of rifle was the type that I was drawn to by the looks....ONLY LOOKS
It is not what I want it is only what caught my eye...
I have a lot of research to do with all the input from many of you and more of my own research..
So everyone settle down.........lol, no worries I am not even close to buying a air rifle yet, I was just asking questions to educate myself. Also I only posted that rifle to show some of the guys who replied that didn't know what I meant by a "sniper type rifle" so I posted the name since I can't post links.
So once again don't focus on anything that I have said except that I am new, I know nothing about air rifles and just wanted some different suggestions, That's all. Although as I look I am finding out that to get a good quality air rifle and scope I will end up spending as much as I could spend on another Glock ( I collect Glocks )
Thanks again
Ron
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Pyramyd Air has airgun educational videos. One of them is a series of videos called Airgun Academy. If you have not yet seen it you may want to look into it. JMO
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Pyramyd Air has airgun educational videos. One of them is a series of videos called Airgun Academy. If you have not yet seen it you may want to look into it. JMO
Thank you I will do that, I didn't know of those resources, I guess there is a lot I don't know and anything that can help me learn and decide which rifle is right for me is a good thing.
Thanks again
Ron
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no one need to settle down...
you just have a lot of learning to do...
plus realize what you think is often different than what you say... you did not say it was the sniper look that you like...
me I like the sniper like accuracy of my 953 so I would be pre disposed to see your statement that way if you are not being specific.
indoors you want a low fpe rifle for outdoors and hunting you want high fpe.
you also need to look at the pros and cons of different powerplants...
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You're probably going to wind up choosing between gun type and pellet size.
From what you've wrote thus far, I think you'll be trying to decide between .177 and .22 pellet sizes.
Then you will want to decide between "break-barrel and "fixed barrel".
Then you'll have to decide between "springer" and "gas piston".
Then you'll realize that you need to decide between easy or brash handling. You'll probably decide easy for what you want.
Then you'll have to decide how much to spend for most the quality. Patience will buy you more for your money in a used gun most likely.
Then you will discover how important (and difficult) owning a good scope is.
I suggest buying a good scope and then looking for a nice gun to mount under it. ;)
Sooooo much more but the Hatsan you mentioned may, as Joe said, be a bit much power for indoors but I love my Hatsan 95's! Of all the regular Hatsans you see, you are really looking at only three different powerhouses. Hatsan also builds under other names.
Boy, have you got a lot to discover, but fear not, it's all here somewhere, even target info.
And while these guys may seem a little "kirt" at times I assure you they are not. They are really great folks and will fall all over themselves to help you out.
You've struck gold just finding this site! ;D
Welcome and best wishes. 8)
If you get seriously interested and have the funds you may skip all this and go straight to the PCP'ers on the "darkside".
If so, come back to visit sometimes. Jus' kidding guys, but he will be in another world. ;)
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As mentioned previously, the Hatsan 125 is designed primarily for hunting and is much heavier, harder to cock, and more powerful than you need (or will find enjoyable to shoot for significant periods) for indoor target shooting.
Hatsan makes a lower-powered rifle that is similar, lighter, and cheaper than the Hatsan 125 sniper:
http://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-striker-edge-air-rifle-combo.html (http://www.airgundepot.com/hatsan-striker-edge-air-rifle-combo.html)
However, it supposedly has a mediocre-at-best trigger that probably is not too great for target shooting; there is some British company that makes better replacements that will cost you about $50.
Hatsan also makes the Model 85 Sniper with the better Quattro trigger:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-85-sniper-air-rifle-combo-mobu-camo-stock?m=2789 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/hatsan-85-sniper-air-rifle-combo-mobu-camo-stock?m=2789)
Umarex also makes a number of somewhat similar-looking air rifles.
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If you haven't seen this yet, this would be a good read for you. Before and again after buying your first gun. Some of the info on expectations/maintenance requirements might help you make a decision as well.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=51555.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=51555.0)
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no one need to settle down...
you just have a lot of learning to do...
plus realize what you think is often different than what you say... you did not say it was the sniper look that you like...
me I like the sniper like accuracy of my 953 so I would be pre disposed to see your statement that way if you are not being specific.
indoors you want a low fpe rifle for outdoors and hunting you want high fpe.
you also need to look at the pros and cons of different powerplants...
If you read my first post you will see "I would like to get one that is designed as a sniper type rifle."
So you must have missed it. I am not here to get into debates with people who are on here. Do me a favor Kirby, just don't help me don't reply to any of my posts. you are now making the idea of buying a air rifle a Pain in the A**
There are always someone in every forum who gets like this. To make both of our lives better just don't reply to my post, if that means your friends or administrators will cause me problems I don't care. I hate when people like you say I didn't say something that is clearly said if you READ my first post !
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Guys, let's keep calm and carry on.
I'd like to see this thread stay active and on subject without having a lock put on it.
Let's keep it civil and respect each other.
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ron, no need to get upset. people are trying to give you the help you asked for.
For one thing. no air gun is designed as a sniper rifle, they are air guns. "sniper rifle" is very vague and to people how know about air guns, well, ...as you stated , you don't know anything at all about air guns, so let people help you.
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Guys, let's keep calm and carry on.
I'd like to see this thread stay active and on subject without having a lock put on it.
Let's keep it civil and respect each other.
i think we know where this is heading
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Guys, let's keep calm and carry on.
I'd like to see this thread stay active and on subject without having a lock put on it.
Let's keep it civil and respect each other.
i think we know where this is heading
You can close this thread I am out of here. Some do need to calm down, they shouldn't say I didn't say something when I clearly did. when people say they don't know what a "sniper type rifle is, they need to educate themselves there are Sniper type air rifles.
Every forum has a few that are always here and reply to every post and then they get offended when they "Think I said something I didn't" I admitted to not knowing anything about air rifles but when some of your senior members don't know what a sniper type rifle is they need to learn also. This is not meant for you Steve it is for others. If an admin sees this post you can close my account I am not here to be treated like that Kirby!!!
Good Bye
Ron
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Hmmmmmmmm........very interessssssssting......but......
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Hey dude I was just trying to let you know that was a very vague statement...
I have fired sniper rifles there is no set look to a sniper rifle...
you can use a Browning Automatic .338 to reach out and touch some one or a 50 cal Barret or my grand fathers m1903 30.06...
I think currently they use a Remington 700 based rifle...
The rest of what you have said I will not respond to...
I was just letting you know that folks would not know what you mean... It could mean a tactical look or it could mean many other things...
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Well, glad you are doing your research. And glad you chose GTA to ask for help in the process. This place has an abundance of information on airguns and lots of great and friendly folks that are eager to answer your questions and help in the decision. And yes, you certainly can invest enough in an airgun to buy SEVERAL Glocks. LOL
I know, I have around 60 airguns scattered all over my home.
The tactical/sniper look is appealing. But buy the airgun that will fit your shooting style and purpose. But hey, buy several to cover ALL aspects of shooting. :)
Anyway, enjoy the journey into airgunning. Be sure to ask any questions here and we will try to assist any way possible.
And as always....
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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A very young and dumb me at Harmony church Ft. Benning a long time ago...
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10 meters is a good range to start. It's a sport standard.
Sniper type (tactical)
For indoor shooting .177
B5-1 AK. folding stock, side lever, fixed barrel. Get one at mrodair.com. $90. Got some cool factor. You'll need a AK/SKS front sight adjustment tool. Accurate. Scope mount is strange but works fine. Might need a recoil pad for more pull length.
QB57 side lever, fixed barrel, break down bull-pup.(also some cool factor) Iron sights are useless. With a scope it's accurate. You'll need an off-set scope mount to get good eye relief. $100 give or take.
Ignite Black-ops. break barrel. Looks like a sniper rifle. Comes with a scope and bi-pod. $111 at Walmart. 1000fps might be a bit much for indoor shooting.
The first suggestion you got was a 953. $94, easy to shoot, can't miss at 10 meters.
If it was me, learn to shoot the gun I've got and the trigger I've got. Learn the artillery hold. And worry about modifications and big bucks later.
Enjoy. It's a great sport. Fun, relaxing, lots of zen if you like that kind of thing and good meditation for me.
Welcome to GTA. Later, Tim.
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A very young and dumb me at Harmony church Ft. Benning a long time ago...
That looks like a Technicolor picture ;D
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Not lookin too dumb at all Kirby!!!
Great pic!!
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Same uniform we had when I went to basic and ait at Benning.
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Will it matter how loud it is ?
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Will it matter how loud it is ?
No. Because he has left the forum.
Your gun is not super quiet ???