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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: vernongt on September 27, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
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G'day Airgunners,
I'm looking for the very best [parts/prices/service] to purchase seals, [breach/piston] and other parts for my [San Raphael] Beeman R-7-177, R-10-177, R-10-22 & P1 Magnum-177 air rifles and pistol.
I'm especially interested in the seals, but it would be nice to know I can get any replacement parts for these very valuable airguns.
Help Please? :o
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Vernon, seals and springs can be had from Vortek Products and Air Rifle Headquarters. There are a few British and Canadian firms who sell parts also. I know that PyramydAir also carries spare parts, but I can't comment on what Beeman/HW parts they might have. After market support for HW and Diana guns is excellent. I just installed a Vortek PG2 kit in my Diana 48 and the results have been very, very good.
Scotty
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Specialty shooting sports in Canada is by far the best stocked and best prices.
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https://www.gunspares.co.uk/categories/23960/Airgun-spares/ (https://www.gunspares.co.uk/categories/23960/Airgun-spares/)
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Jim Maccari ("Air Rifle Headquarters") of course makes superb springs, and also sells a wide range of piston seals, breech seals, and other goodies for all Weihrauch-made airguns.
http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm (http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/page/page/251327.htm)
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Specialty shooting sports in Canada is by far the best stocked and best prices.
Not if your in the USA anymore. HW received complaints from a large US dealer and SS are now forbidden from shipping anything to the US. How do I know this ? They just told me on the phone 2 days ago. Man does that not so good !!!
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Air Rifle Headquarters ( James Maccarri ) for seals !!!
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James is great for kits, just got 2 from him an they got here in just a couple of days. Sadly he said some parts like HW cocking shoes have gone up so much that he refuses to carry them any longer. Also he is out of stock on barrel shims. Just a heads up.
Grumpy
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Dang, I clicked on this thread hoping to find info and I did. Lol at least I know where to and where not to look now. Thanks.
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That is TERRIBLE news about Specialty Shooting. They have excellent customer service, extremely fair pricing (and fair shipping), and the best selection of parts for our Weihrauchs.
That's not cool at all. Grump, any idea who made the complaint or why? The cynic in me is leaning toward a competitor in the marketplace, not liking the fact that SSSO offered low pricing without shameless markup.
This needs looking into. dangit, I was planning on buying another R11 barrel for an R9 project.
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Hey Grumpy. Who was The US rerailer?
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That is TERRIBLE news about Specialty Shooting. They have excellent customer service, extremely fair pricing (and fair shipping), and the best selection of parts for our Weihrauchs.
That's not cool at all. Grump, any idea who made the complaint or why? The cynic in me is leaning toward a competitor in the marketplace, not liking the fact that SSSO offered low pricing without shameless markup.
This needs looking into. dangit, I was planning on buying another R11 barrel for an R9 project.
I would suspect a predatory importer in the western area of US ....poor customer service, price fixing , undercutting their own dealers so they don't grow too big. They could not compete with actions like that so they used a nasty back door method....what the heck what about NAFTA and US anti price fixing laws??
Do write HW and point out this action has lost them a loyal repeat customer as you refuse to deal with the US source which provides horrible customer support.
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Please send links and lets get this goin.
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Please send links and lets get this goin.
Write to Hans Weihrauch at: info@weihrauch-sport.de
http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/seiten/englisch/default.html (http://www.weihrauch-sport.de/seiten/englisch/default.html)
Dealer told to stop any cross US/Canada Border sales is: ssso@telus.net
http://www.specialtyshootingsportsoutdoors.com/ (http://www.specialtyshootingsportsoutdoors.com/)
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Email sent to Hans.
If this decision isn't reversed, I'm done with HW's. I was hesitant to do business with their US retailer before this, now I'll be darn if they ever get a penny from me.
So much for my custom R9 project this winter.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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>:( I suspect that I know who the retailer/importer is and if it is confirmed I will buy other products or do without if they are the sole source :P
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Yup. Just got of the phone with them. Every word is true. Even the west coast retailer speculation.
We need to get this gravy train going.
Pyramid air just got ALL my domestic business. From here on out. And if Hans doesnt fix this, i will be Hatsan USA forever!
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Well that stinks.
So just to clarify, Airguns of Arizona is behind this?
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Here is the email i just sent Hans.
Hello Hans. Firstly i would like to thank you for your dedication and hard work. I have a lifetime of proudly shooting your rifles.
Some of my collection are 30 plus years old. Support is VERY important. I realize the Beeman R1 series of guns is a super small slice of the industry. Please understand that we have been with HW through good AND bad times.
There is a growing movement against HW because of their sanctions against Specialty Shooting Sports. All of us support SSS because of their knowledge and sincere support of YOUR products.
We do NOT support AirgunsOf Arizona because of their lack of knowledge and parts. This is why we choose Pyramid Air over AOA.
Please reconsider SSS as an American vendor. Also understand that free commerce sanctions like these are not legal here and looked upon EXTREEMLY unfavorable for HW as well as AOA.
We are all unanimously agreeing to boycott AOA to include HW products.
Believe me when i tell you, i am not looking forward to starting a new family tradition with Hatsan USA.
Please good sir. I beg you. Reconsider your position with AOA. SSS is universally considered to be a wonderful ambassador for your products.
I have yet to see anyone as passionate about your company as SSS.
Michael Graham, lifelong HW consumer.
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Nicely done.
In addition to my email to Hans, I have sent AOA an email asking them explicitly what role (if any...) they played in Weihrauch's decision.
Their reply should be interesting, if they even bother.
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Good news:
HW products last forever.
Nothing in this world happens without money.
AOA paid off somebody.
When Bill Ruger died, what happened to his company?
Plasctic guns, etc!
Hans may not be in control of the company his father started.
IMHO
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Nicely done.
In addition to my email to Hans, I have sent AOA an email asking them explicitly what role (if any...) they played in Weihrauch's decision.
Their reply should be interesting, if they even bother.
If you get an answer I will be shocked and might have a heart attack ....now where's that low dose aspirin just in case
I would love to see what could be "MADE UP" to justify this as a fair in the consumers interest action.
I might better get the waders out this could get deep
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Nicely done.
In addition to my email to Hans, I have sent AOA an email asking them explicitly what role (if any...) they played in Weihrauch's decision.
Their reply should be interesting, if they even bother.
Any reply from them??
Tom in SE MI
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Not yet.
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Nicely done.
In addition to my email to Hans, I have sent AOA an email asking them explicitly what role (if any...) they played in Weihrauch's decision.
Their reply should be interesting, if they even bother.
Any reply from them??
Tom in SE MI
Not from HW, but then again it took a few days for Hans to respond to my "date of mfr" request a few months ago. I'm guessing that in addition to the usual 2-3 day delay, now he's trying to figure out the monetary ramifications of his recent action and construct an appropriate response.
And of course nothing from AoA.
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I will be shocked if AOA answers.
I would love to see the twisted logic of why this is fair and good for consumers
problem is people keep buying his stuff.....we don't need to there are other brands other than the AOA exclusives of Daystate, FX, and now maybe HW
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AOA paid them off.
Bob Beeman did the same thing.
He was the sole importer of HW products when he was in business.
When SR Industries bought his company name, they lost his sole HW import rights.
So, I guess this means when PA exhausts their supply of HW products, they are through, too.
It all comes down to money....
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Aoa can take a leap.
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I got a form letter response from aoa citing liability issues selling across borders.
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I got a form letter response from aoa citing liability issues selling across borders.
Typical Double Talk BS.
It is clear AOA is owned by a Californian now!
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I got a form letter response from aoa citing liability issues selling across borders.
any chance you could post that form letter???
scan it or cut and paste it as a JPG image file
so they are claiming they did it to HELP PROTECT SSSO ???? ????
PLEASE I GOTTA SEE THIS
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dupe
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No, more like ssso selling across borders put HW at risk due to liability issues.
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No, more like ssso selling across borders put HW at risk due to liability issues.
smoke screen diverting attention from himself HW legally sold the units in Canada....US has no import ban on Germany Products in fact Germany Has "most preferred trading partner" status ....US has no power restrictions on air rifles
Wheres the liability?? If anywhere it would be SSSO not HW
AOA thinks we are stupid ...they only did it to protect HW give me a break
So lets say I buy and ship a rifle to say Windsor I bring it across to Detroit....magically it was totally legal but HW is liable for my actions ???
Don't seem to pass the sniff test??
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Well if thats the case, someone better warn Toyota and Mercades Benz. They are a great risk.
It offends me when companies think i am stupid enuf to believe a response like that.
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yep blowin so much smoke up our arses they could cause an epidemic of rectal cancer :o
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The letter is posted on the other thread; word for word same one I got, tk
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They have offered some lame excuses: Including the Canadian dealer is free riding on their warranty and advertisement expenses promoting HW and they are saving somebody from some imagined liability issue. The US has no power restrictions on air rifles so if brought into US no problem. Germany and their products are not banned from US trade in fact Germany is on the US "most preferred nation" Trade Status List. It's not like we are sneaking banned Cuban Cigars in. Where is the liability? Air powered rifles are not firearms in the US.
Trust me on this anybody that sought out SSSO would NEVER go to them(US SOURCE) for warranty or information they want to wash their hands of them.
That’s why I have written HW and said I wont buy there stuff again ever if they don’t review the directive to SSSO
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Emailed HW again yesterday asking if they've made any decisions...worried that they'll drag their feet in the hopes that this will fade with time.
Great quote from the old movie "Excalibur": "...for it is the doom of man that he forgets."
Gotta love Merlin. 8)
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James is great for kits, just got 2 from him an they got here in just a couple of days. Sadly he said some parts like HW cocking shoes have gone up so much that he refuses to carry them any longer. Also he is out of stock on barrel shims. Just a heads up.
Grumpy
Reminds me of a couple decades ago when parts for my Beeman imported HW springers were hard to get, expensive, and really poor turnaround times! LOL....that is one of the reasons I bought benchtop metalworking equipment and started making my own replacement parts. Now I only need to buy commercially available orings for use as a piston seal and the orings cost less than $10 for 50 military specification Viton seals! I also made stock mounting screws from socket head cap screws to replace those slotted screws that required a flat bladed screw driver to tighten.
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So on and so forth! ;D
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Hw reply.
Dear Mr. Graham,
thank you for your e-mail.
We will have a closer look into your mentioned issue.
Please understand, that this will take some time.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
Best regards
Hans-H. Weihrauch
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steve at Pomona air guns.
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What about Steve at Pamona airguns?
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Good news:
HW products last forever.
Nothing in this world happens without money.
AOA paid off somebody.
When Bill Ruger died, what happened to his company?
Plasctic guns, etc!
Hans may not be in control of the company his father started.
IMHO
Man, I am not going along with that statement about Ruger! Hogwash! I have quite a number of newer Ruger's and they are some of the finest pistols on the market. And I dare you to find better customer service anywhere!
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I think he meant that after Bill died his son turned the company around by updating their designs and materials.
The Rugers of today that are generating income are their 1911 and AR15. Both of which ole Bill loathed.
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I think he meant that after Bill died his son turned the company around by updating their designs and materials.
The Rugers of today that are generating income are their 1911 and AR15. Both of which ole Bill loathed.
Ruger has taken many awards over the past recent years with a number of weapons, well beyond the 1911 or AR15. I do not want to get into this on a Airgun forum, but someone should do a little research. By the way, recently they gave 1 million dollars to the NRA after exceeding their sales goals.
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And they do offer the Airhawk line (just trying to keep the mods from stepping in...) ;)