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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: cryptoad on September 19, 2014, 11:03:58 PM
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My F1 Chrony gave me bookoo err2 readings so these numbers took a while to get:
Pellet LO HI AVG ES SD AVG FPE
AA Falcon 7.33gr 892.2 911.7 905.9 19.56 6.92 13.36
JSB Exact 10.34gr 745.6 755.4 750.7 9.81 5 12.94
Crosman Wad 7.4 909.2 13.59
Crosman Dest 7.4 968.7 15.42
For the last two pellets listed, I only had one good reading for each. This particular rifle takes quite a bit of effort to cock, more so than needed for my Silver Kodiak X2. The recoil is minimal compared to the Kodiak X2.
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I'm wondering if I need to check on sending mine back. I wasn't happy with the chrony numbers at all. I probably have between 250 and 350 pellets through mine so far and the velocity just isn't what I'd expect. I've gotten the following results:
Pellet FPS SD Avg FPE
Crosman Premium HP 760 14.97 10.15
Crosman Premium Heavy 668 10.46 10.41
Crosman Destroyer 800 9.66 10.92
RWS Superdome 845 22.38 13.6
Gamo Match WC 782 14.17 10.28
JSB Exact Heavy 643 10.08 9.52
Accuracy has improved as I've gotten more pellets through the bore, but I have serious questions about the velocity performance. I quit getting smoke in the barrel after shooting about 100 pellets. I was surprised that the Superdome's at 8.3 gr. were consistantly faster than all of the 7.9 gr. pellets. What do you think? Send her back, or shoot some more lead?
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Your rifle should be shooting about 100fps faster when you compare my numbers to yours and factor in the figures Crosman advertises for the Vantage.
Any reason to suspect your Chrony might be off?
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Not really sure about the chrony. The same unit measures Destroyers at 935 fps from my RWS 52.
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Kim,
ER2 is the second sensor not reading, make sure it is clean and that you are getting light to it and that you are aligned over both sensors when shooting, I usually use four of the legs for the sun shade as a guide as to where to shoot even when I am not using the shades.
rwt,
Your numbers are a little incomplete, instead of SD, look at ES (Extreme Spread) and shot to shot spread they are a little more telling of problems with the gun.
Hi/Lo/Avg/SD are good to look at for comparing pellets to one another but for diagnosis of problems the whole string tells more. The whole string gives you more of an idea of shot to shot consistency.
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I'm wondering if I need to check on sending mine back. I wasn't happy with the chrony numbers at all. I probably have between 250 and 350 pellets through mine so far and the velocity just isn't what I'd expect. I've gotten the following results:
Pellet FPS SD Avg FPE
Crosman Premium HP 760 14.97 10.15
Crosman Premium Heavy 668 10.46 10.41
Crosman Destroyer 800 9.66 10.92
RWS Superdome 845 22.38 13.6
Gamo Match WC 782 14.17 10.28
JSB Exact Heavy 643 10.08 9.52
Accuracy has improved as I've gotten more pellets through the bore, but I have serious questions about the velocity performance. I quit getting smoke in the barrel after shooting about 100 pellets. I was surprised that the Superdome's at 8.3 gr. were consistantly faster than all of the 7.9 gr. pellets. What do you think? Send her back, or shoot some more lead?
I've owned two Crosman springers and both of the OEM piston seals were chewed up. A simple lube tune will probably set things right. You might also check the breech seal.
Scotty
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To include spread for each of the pellets, here is an updated table:
Pellet FPS SD Avg FPE Spread
Crosman Premium HP 760 14.97 10.15 44.4
Crosman Premium Heavy 668 10.46 10.41 34.8
Crosman Destroyer 800 9.66 10.92 37
RWS Superdome 845 22.38 13.6 55.5
Gamo Match WC 782 14.17 10.28 57.4
JSB Exact Heavy 643 10.08 9.52 34.6
Here's a string of 20 shots with the Gamo Match WC
792.9
754.8
775.7
776.3
792.8
780.8
792.7
776.1
764.1
787.7
783.2
769.6
810.2
773.7
780.2
786.6
791.3
781.2
812.2
775.6
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I'm wondering if I need to check on sending mine back. I wasn't happy with the chrony numbers at all. I probably have between 250 and 350 pellets through mine so far and the velocity just isn't what I'd expect. I've gotten the following results:
Pellet FPS SD Avg FPE
Crosman Premium HP 760 14.97 10.15
Crosman Premium Heavy 668 10.46 10.41
Crosman Destroyer 800 9.66 10.92
RWS Superdome 845 22.38 13.6
Gamo Match WC 782 14.17 10.28
JSB Exact Heavy 643 10.08 9.52
Accuracy has improved as I've gotten more pellets through the bore, but I have serious questions about the velocity performance. I quit getting smoke in the barrel after shooting about 100 pellets. I was surprised that the Superdome's at 8.3 gr. were consistantly faster than all of the 7.9 gr. pellets. What do you think? Send her back, or shoot some more lead?
Man ! I am by no means a weakling. I'm 6' and 225 lbs. I've done physical labor all my life. But' I must say.... If you cocked this rifle 350 consecutive times.... your arm is either Popeyed or hamburger. This this is a beast. I'll chrony mine this morning. FYI... mine likes CPUM real well and it must have been broken in before I got it because it stacked pellets really well right out of the box. It looks brand new though. Stock screws were loose and I haven't cleaned the barrel yet. I bought this gun for Betty Lou but that ain't gonna happen. She cocked it 3 times and handed it back to me. I really don't remember my B-I-L's being this hard to cock. Don't get me wrong, I don't have buyer's remorse. This may be the best $68 I ever spent. It's just, I bought this gun for Betty Lou to shoot when I shoot my Nitro Venom and it's supposed to be fun, not a muscle pulling workout.
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I'm no lightweight at 6' 2" and 250 lbs, but I will admit that I had a sore left shoulder when I got done. Also, I had the day off so I took a break from shooting and mowed the grass in the afternoon before resuming the shooting in the evening. I've been working each day since and haven't had time to mess with the Vantage any more. I will say that my dad's new Vantage springer that I shot in August shot better than this one with far fewer pellets being fired. That was the rifle that made me want to get this one. So far, it hasn't been so good.
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I am really glad I got to read this post . I'm 5' 5 at 140# ( with my beard they call me Papa Smurf---go figure) and now I can scratch the Vantage NP from my "want to have list" , my Nitro venom is tough enough . --------------Thanks guys -----------Good Shooting to all
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Pellet FPS SD Avg FPE Spread
Gamo Match WC 782 14.17 10.28 57.4
Here's a string of 20 shots with the Gamo Match WC
792.9
754.8 Shot to Shot spread here is huge
775.7
776.3 Did you do something different here?
792.8
780.8 If you skip this shot you have a decent shot to shot, what happened here,
792.7
776.1
764.1
787.7
783.2
769.6
810.2
773.7
780.2
786.6
791.3
781.2
812.2
775.6
Notes on each shot when you are doing a string will help you analyze what is going on, Pellet Fit and conditions, if there is not a notable difference in the pellets shot to shot then you need to look at seals and lubricants for the answers....
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I am really glad I got to read this post . I'm 5' 5 at 140# ( with my beard they call me Papa Smurf---go figure) and now I can scratch the Vantage NP from my "want to have list" , my Nitro venom is tough enough . --------------Thanks guys -----------Good Shooting to all
The Nitro Venom and Vantage NP are virtually the same gun. What parts they don't share shouldn't have any impact on cocking effort.
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Some data from mine when it was 1000 shots new:
(http://www.joefishin.com/VantageNPChronyTests.JPG)
(http://www.joefishin.com/Vchrony2.jpg)
I probably have only 5-6K thru it now, but pcps get most of my attention these days. It is at camp and has red tree rat duty.
I use only the H&N BM 10.65g (krytek) lubed now. 820fps
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Hello, So glad I read this!!!! I got the Vantage NP new and had a heck of a time cocking it. My friend liked it so he got the Vantage Springer. Well I now have the springer and he has the NP. I have COPD and just could not cock that thing. Now my Titan NP in no trouble. Can't see why the Vantage would be so much harder then the Titan with the same Gas/Ram?
Don
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I was going to try and use the plastic sights instead of mounting a scope but boy, those are some cheap, cheap plastic sights on mine! I went ahead and mounted the 4x32 scope for now. The plastic sights just aren't holding up. Probably the reason mine was originally returned.
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I tried using the scope (Centerpoint 4x32) but the scope rings were too cheesy and didn't hold. So, I removed the scope and tried using the even cheesier plastic sights. I got this thing sighted in and it shoots the JSB Exact Heavy 10.34gr and the AA Falcon 7.33gr with great accuracy! I had the rifle setting on a camera tripod during my test shooting. Pellet holes were touching at 10yds.
Whoever had this before me may have put a hundred or so pellets through before I got it. I did clean the barrel but there wasn't much to clean!
I am confident I can shoot this thing accurately enough to take down squirrels within 20yds with head shots.
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Guys, do yourselves a huge favor and put a CDT GRTIII trigger in these. I got my trigger yesterday and watched the you tube video. 5 minutes later the trigger was in and I was on the back porch ready to try it out. I added a little more pull from stock by backing the set screw out a bit. Out of the box the trigger had zero first stage. I like a little. WOW what a difference! This is my first CDT and I'm hooked. It took a good shooting gun to a great shooting gun. I can even overlook the hard-cocking nature of it now. Sorry but I haven't had the chance to chrony yet. Working 11 hour days leaves me with only a couple hours of daylight to do all I need to in the evening,
I originally bought this gun for Betty Lou to shoot when I shoot my Nitro Venom. It turns out that this gun cocks way too hard for her. I really don't understand why it is some much harder than the Venom, it's virtually the same gun. However, the wrist of the Vantage fits her hand much better than the Venom's thicker wrist so I swapped the stocks. The switch was plug and play. We now have 2 tack driving nitro piston guns that we can shoot together. At 20yds they rip the 1/2" yardsale stickers right off of the painted steel blanks with 1 shot. They both like the 10.5 Crosman Ultra Mags which makes me happy because they are about $7 a tin from WallyWorld. Betty Lou don't mind the stock trigger in the Venom but, I'm going to install a CDT anyhow. She likes a bit more pull but I can adjust that. We stretched them out to 50 yds. and hit the 1/2" sticker 3 out of 5 times. If we were better, it would have been 5/5 but I wouldn't hesitate to take the heart/lung shot at a nutter from this distance with confidence of a humane kill. Another 6 day workweek and rain in the forecast for Sunday probably will prevent a chrony session again this week but, it's on my todo list. So, bottom line...... $68 to my door and $36 for the CDT and puts another great gun on my rack for right around $100.
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Bill, I noticed that not only does the Vantage NP take more cocking effort than my Beeman Silver Kodiak but it is also a longer cocking stroke.
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Yep, I beleive you are correct Kim. This is the case with the Nitro Venom as well. And I know this because I have all 3 guns.
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Original numbers from the first Vantage NP
Pellet FPS SD Avg FPE
Crosman Premium HP 760 14.97 10.15
Crosman Premium Heavy 668 10.46 10.41
Crosman Destroyer 800 9.66 10.92
RWS Superdome 845 22.38 13.6
Gamo Match WC 782 14.17 10.28
JSB Exact Heavy 643 10.08 9.52
NOW I'm A HAPPY CAMPER!
I opted to send my original refurbished Vantage back to Crosman and received a replacement refurbished Vantage yesterday. I must say that I was pleased with the quick turnaround on the replacement as well. Anyway, today I installed the GRT-III trigger and mounted the scope so I could begin evaluating this gun. I fired several shots until I heard it quit dieseling and then fired several more across the chronograph until I saw the velocities stabilize. Then, I began shooting 10 shot groups across the chronograph. I now have a total of 65 shots through this rifle, testing performance with 5 different pellets. Here are the 10 shot results for the five pellets tested so far:
Pellet Avg. FPS SD Avg FPE Spread Spread %
Crosman Premium HP 972.3 2.59 16.59 9.3 1.0
Crosman Premium Heavy 833.6 3.47 16.21 10.6 1.3
RWS Superdome 957.5 2.78 16.59 6.3 0.7
Gamo Match WC 975.0 12.72 15.96 45 4.6
JSB Exact Heavy 796 8.12 14.55 26.7 3.4
212 FPS improvement on the CPHP's and 165 FPS improvment on the CPH's is what I would have expected. I was getting 25 yard rested groups the size of a silver dollar with the crappy scope they include. I expect the groups to tighten up as I get more pellets down the bore. I have $64.17 (including shipping) in the rifle, and $33.00 in the GRT-III trigger. I think I'll have a pretty decent shooting rifle for under $100.00
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I know I said I would scratch the Vantage NP from my need to have (or better want) list , but another NP for under $70 -------WOW ! I been trying to deal with Flying Dragon but this guy named Mike is harder to find than Bigfoot and wont answer my e-mails ., so Crosman got more of my money. After reading all you guys have to say about the Vantage NP I decided to give it a try . I have a Nitro Venom and , yes its a little hard to cock , but its the most accurate air rifle I have past 30 yards . Maybe the Vantage will cock a little easer . Its due at my door sometime Monday . --------------Good Shooting to all--------John --AKA--Papa Smurf
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John, I bet it won't be easier to cock. Mine was a lot harder then my Titan is.
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I just bought 2 refurbished Crosman NP Vantage for $110 shipped. I found a coupon code for 20% off. I'll post my results in about 2 weeks when they arrive.
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Yeah John... I think you are going to find the Vantage a bit harder to cock... I have both guns. I don't really know why, it's the same set up. I bought the Vantage for Betty Lou but, she can cock the NV easier. The wrist on the Vantage stock was thinner and more comfortable for her so I swapped them. Basically a plug and play switch.
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Cocking effort was measured at 42lbs for mine.
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Received my Vantage NP Monday . Awesome rifle ! After 180 shots it gives an average 960 f/s with Crosman cphp . And now after 250 shots I'm getting 958 f/s and less than 3/8" group at 10 meters for 10 shots. I have a .22 Nitro Venom and can't tell much difference in cocking effort. The scope is a half step above junk , so its going to be replaced . The Venom has a Hawke 3-9 x 40 AO and does very well . Crosman has sent me another winner in the Vantage . Shoot till my arm gets tired , then go get the little Stoeger X5 and shoot some more .---------------------------Good Shooting to all --------John ---- AKA --Papa Smurf
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Pappa Smurf.... I actually expected you to say that you shoot it til your arm turns blue....
Anyhow, glad you like it.
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One more thing ------- Crosman indicates that there refurbished Vantage model numbers start with a 9- . The one they sent me does not start with 9- it is just 30021. Did they send me a new one ? I see that there out of stock now . ------------------------Papa Smurf
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There is a small picture of a pellet on the barrel block... the refurbs have an "R" stamped inside the pellet.
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One more thing ------- Crosman indicates that there refurbished Vantage model numbers start with a 9- . The one they sent me does not start with 9- it is just 30021. Did they send me a new one ? I see that there out of stock now . ------------------------Papa Smurf
John, that does not seem like the typical crosman serial number. My Vantage NP is O11X01411. The O11 is crosman's month/year mfg code. My crosman PC77 and PCP's have a similar format. On my PCP refurb the only indication was a removable sticker on the trigger guard. I think they use to stamp an "R" on them, but now record them by individual serial number. Even if they sent you a new one, you would only have the 30 day refurb warrantee.
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My refurb has a R stamped on the barrel block. I think it's required by law because even my cheapie b3-1 had a R stamped on it.
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FuzzyGrub-------------------- That is the model number ----30021. Serial number is----513x13293 . And there is a picture of a pellet after the serial number , no "R" , also Made in China-- under the serial number ------------------------------Papa
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deleted ---I just had another screw up -------------------------------"dang" computers--------------------Papa
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Serial number is----513x13293 .
So made in May of 2013.