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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => German AirGun Gate => Topic started by: CharlesL15 on September 16, 2014, 09:01:00 PM
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Hi guys, so recently I purchased a T06 RWS 54 in .22 cal after doing extensive research on the gun. What was really attractive to me was the near-recoilless sliding rail the gun utilizes, reducing the need for the artillery hold. I've had the rifle for a few days now, and I'm really pleased with it. Even with CPHPs and my poor springer shooting ability, I'm getting dime sized groups at 20 yds, and I haven't even stretched out the range. However, another thing that I noticed while researching was that not many people have the 54, or at least compared to the 48, 460, TX200, etc. That got me thinking, why is that? Is there something about the 54 that people don't like? I know the gun is heavy, but I can handle it. And from I've heard, the TX200 isn't a lightweight either. So, what do you guys think? Is there a definitive reason why the 54 isn't as popular?
Here's my gun :)
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Hi guys, so recently I purchased a T06 RWS 54 in .22 cal after doing extensive research on the gun. What was really attractive to me was the near-recoilless sliding rail the gun utilizes, reducing the need for the artillery hold. I've had the rifle for a few days now, and I'm really pleased with it. Even with CPHPs and my poor springer shooting ability, I'm getting dime sized groups at 20 yds, and I haven't even stretched out the range. However, another thing that I noticed while researching was that not many people have the 54, or at least compared to the 48, 460, TX200, etc. That got me thinking, why is that? Is there something about the 54 that people don't like? I know the gun is heavy, but I can handle it. And from I've heard, the TX200 isn't a lightweight either. So, what do you guys think? Is there a definitive reason why the 54 isn't as popular?
Here's my gun :)
First welcome to the GTA . Now as to the D54 .22 caliber , yes very accurate my issue was I just could not get comfortable with the side cocking lever. Others here love the accuracy and are happy with the overall ergonomics. Sold it to another GTA member and he loves it so it is two happy shooters . 1 seller and 1 Buyer ;) ;D
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I ignored it for the facts that I didn't want the extra weight or the extra mechanical parts which require service and care.
I chose the 48 over the 52 because while the stock is nicer, it doesn't increase accuracy plus back when I got it cost was a factor.
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A lot of the shyness towards the 54 platform is due to their reputation that they will chew up a scope in short order.
While a improperly set up 54 will kill a cheap scope with a quickness, the reputation is ill deserved. By putting a bit of time into the rifle, and using the correct components to mount a scope, they can ad will give good service for a long time.
Contemplating a purchase of a 48 or 54, and then reading about how the 54 will trash a $400 scope, makes going for the 48 perfectly sensible to someone who doesn't want to be bothered adjusting and tweaking their rifle.
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I ignored it for the facts that I didn't want the extra weight or the extra mechanical parts which require service and care.
I chose the 48 over the 52 because while the stock is nicer, it doesn't increase accuracy plus back when I got it cost was a factor.
I do agree that the 54 does have more mechanical parts that need servicing, and I also agree that the accuracy is basically the same, but wouldn't you agree that the sliding rail on the 54 makes it easier and faster for inexperienced shooters like me to shoot the springer accurately?
:)
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A lot of the shyness towards the 54 platform is due to their reputation that they will chew up a scope in short order.
While a improperly set up 54 will kill a cheap scope with a quickness, the reputation is ill deserved. By putting a bit of time into the rifle, and using the correct components to mount a scope, they can ad will give good service for a long time.
Contemplating a purchase of a 48 or 54, and then reading about how the 54 will trash a $400 scope, makes going for the 48 perfectly sensible to someone who doesn't want to be bothered adjusting and tweaking their rifle.
That makes sense. When I was rooting around for information on the gun, the term 'scope killer' came up frequently. That's why I spent a good deal of additional time looking for a good quality, glass etched scope to fend off that fearsome recoil. :)
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WEIGHT !!!
Nice as these sled rifles are ... there a beast to lug around as a field gun.
Plus there rather pricey when compared to the simpler non sled version.
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WEIGHT !!!
Nice as these sled rifles are ... there a beast to lug around as a field gun.
Plus there rather pricey when compared to the simpler non sled version.
Couple this statement with the 54 reputation as a scope killer, and there is your answer.
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;D If the sled is adjusted properly no more a scope killer than my D460 or TX 200
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WEIGHT !!!
Nice as these sled rifles are ... there a beast to lug around as a field gun.
Plus there rather pricey when compared to the simpler non sled version.
Yes, the 54 is a big rifle, but I also bought a pair of shooting sticks to help me out. Plus, I have a strong build, so cocking and carrying the rifle around isn't too bad, though I understand why it'd be difficult for a younger and/or person with a slighter build to use the gun. It takes a real man (and woman!) to tame the beast! :D
About the price: I do agree that the rifle is expensive; on pyramidair and amazon it's going around for $650 to as much as $760 or so, which is very expensive, considering that a TX200's only $630 ish. That almost turned me away from the rifle, but as I was searching the web for lower prices, I found the rifle for $550 on AirgunsofArizona and $450 of Amazon, which I ended up buying the last one. :) However, I consider the gun to be an investment; I'll want to pass it down from generation to generation. (I'm also a bit of a non-conformist; it seems as if everyone and their mothers as well owns a TX200, Hw97, etc. etc.)
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but wouldn't you agree that the sliding rail on the 54 makes it easier and faster for inexperienced shooters like me to shoot the springer accurately?
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The recoil sled does away with a lot of the hold sensitivity that plagues springer shooters and their rifle of choice, but follow through is still a necessary component of shooting the rifle accurately. The need for good follow through is increased proportionately in relation to the distance from target.
Find where the rifle likes to rest, and where you are comfortable behind it, then focus fully on trigger control and follow through. You should be rewarded with suitably small groupings to base your search for favorite pellet on.
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The recoil sled does away with a lot of the hold sensitivity that plagues springer shooters and their rifle of choice, but follow through is still a necessary component of shooting the rifle accurately. The need for good follow through is increased proportionately in relation to the distance from target.
Find where the rifle likes to rest, and where you are comfortable behind it, then focus fully on trigger control and follow through. You should be rewarded with suitably small groupings to base your search for favorite pellet on.
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Will do. Thanks for the advice!
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;D If the sled is adjusted properly no more a scope killer than my D460 or TX 200
Have to disagree on that one.
The scope mounts Directly on the receiver ... RECOIL of the action jars the scope whether Sled or Solid to stock.
ALL the sled does is buffer the actions recoil between it and the rifles stock :P
Now granted a properly adjusted sled has less FELT recoil as far as shooter is concerned .... Optics however feel no difference :P
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;D If the sled is adjusted properly no more a scope killer than my D460 or TX 200
Have to disagree on that one.
The scope mounts Directly on the receiver ... RECOIL of the action jars the scope whether Sled or Solid to stock.
ALL the sled does is buffer the actions recoil between it and the rifles stock :P
Now granted a properly adjusted sled has less FELT recoil as far as shooter is concerned .... Optics however feel no difference :P
::) Ok I have to remember to read my notes before I pontificate Scott I have to remember not to place my boot in my mouth when you are around to help me get my knee in there with it, you are the best and I will now retire to the basement and remain silent for now. ;) ;D ;D ;D
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I ignored it for the facts that I didn't want the extra weight or the extra mechanical parts which require service and care.
I chose the 48 over the 52 because while the stock is nicer, it doesn't increase accuracy plus back when I got it cost was a factor.
I do agree that the 54 does have more mechanical parts that need servicing, and I also agree that the accuracy is basically the same, but wouldn't you agree that the sliding rail on the 54 makes it easier and faster for inexperienced shooters like me to shoot the springer accurately?
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it probablt would make it easier I would guess for some, but for me personally the 48 was my very first springer and I don't do easy. there's no challenge in that for me. wasn't worried about scopes being eaten, wasn't interested in the bells and whistles at the time. I think the 48 made me a better shooter as I can pick up anything and handle it proficiently.
not knocking the 54, just not what I wanted in my first springer. I wanted a simple powerful accurate rifle with no frills. my 48 is around 20+ years old. and not one problem.
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WEIGHT !!!
Nice as these sled rifles are ... there a beast to lug around as a field gun.
Plus there rather pricey when compared to the simpler non sled version.
Yes, the 54 is a big rifle, but I also bought a pair of shooting sticks to help me out. Plus, I have a strong build, so cocking and carrying the rifle around isn't too bad, though I understand why it'd be difficult for a younger and/or person with a slighter build to use the gun. It takes a real man (and woman!) to tame the beast! :D
About the price: I do agree that the rifle is expensive; on pyramidair and amazon it's going around for $650 to as much as $760 or so, which is very expensive, considering that a TX200's only $630 ish. That almost turned me away from the rifle, but as I was searching the web for lower prices, I found the rifle for $550 on AirgunsofArizona and $450 of Amazon, which I ended up buying the last one. :) However, I consider the gun to be an investment; I'll want to pass it down from generation to generation. (I'm also a bit of a non-conformist; it seems as if everyone and their mothers as well owns a TX200, Hw97, etc. etc.)
I agree with Charles on that : owning everybody's gun is not exactly what I would call "rewarding" ::)
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;D Having everybody's gun is hard to avoid unless you can afford a custom AG from RAW , Mac 1 AG's or some other custom built AG. My thing is finding ones that fit me and I can get good performance without too much fiddling eventually I will send a couple of my nice springers out to Motorhead for some of his TLC. My PCP's will get little more than cleaned and shot for now. 8)
Quote (I agree with Charles on that : owning everybody's gun is not exactly what I would call "rewarding") :o ;D
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;D Having everybody's gun is hard to avoid unless you can afford a custom AG from RAW , Mac 1 AG's or some other custom built AG. My thing is finding ones that fit me and I can get good performance without too much fiddling eventually I will send a couple of my nice springers out to Motorhead for some of his TLC. My PCP's will get little more than cleaned and shot for now. 8)
Quote (I agree with Charles on that : owning everybody's gun is not exactly what I would call "rewarding") :o ;D
+1 My R11 is a good example, on the other hand owning everybody's gun can be very rewarding. I got a great Condor that fits me, Sold a MROD for a good price, regretted selling the MROD and bought another one for a very good price.
It can work both ways. :)
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$$$$$$ but that could possibly be the weakest argument against them. If I had it to do again. Instead of the 48 I got, it would have been the 54.
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My personal view on the matter is that people will inevitably tend to buy the guns which get the maximum number of reviews to the detriment of the guns nobody talks about. The HW97 is in that respect a perfect example. The question then is to know whether an air rifle gets reviewed because it is actually a good one or because it was heavily advertised on commercial websites... I think that Diana/RWS air rifles are generally underrated as compared to Weihrauch/Beeman guns, as readily available information will often be harder to find for the former.
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;D I have had the opportunity to shoot a couple of the Weirauch/Beeman rifles and couldn't agree more as to the AA and Diana springers being in the same league performance and quality wise. Where the D48, D52 and D54 are concerned I just could not warm up to the side lever action not the guns problem just me.
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Motorhead hit it on the button, as far as the sled assy on the D54/56, versus, the D48/52/460.
That sled only reduces the "felt recoil" to the shooter. But the scope will realize force similar to a "whiplash" effect, if not properly adjusted. If you set it for bench shooting, and then take it out the shoot squirrels in trees, it won't be the same. Bottom line to many is that, with the added weight and sensitivity of the sled, to keep it all running healthy, is just a turn off. It's a #1 Bench gun choice to many, versus the models 48/52/460. Enjoy her!
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Time for me to muddy up the waters a little. The 54 is on the list of the top 3 guns I am interested in. The 3 being the 54, Air Arms TX200 or a Marader. I have pretty much written off the PCP due the cost of the fill equipment. So to compare the 54 with the TX200, on paper the tx delivers 850fps and the 54 900fps. All the comments I am seeing on the 54 being a scope killer have me a little concerned. Maybe I should start focusing more on the tx? Or the 48/52?. I can't afford to be replacings scopes. Also one of the last comments about then 54 shooting different from the bench vs out in the field, not sure how to process that info.
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If you're an all around shooter. And want good power for hunting...the 48 will be your best go to. Lotsa guys will also say the same. It balances quite nicely in your hands. You don't lose any power. The .177 gives easy 18fpe min. and flat shooting. The 48 can handle the heavy .177 pellets, no problems. The .22 is 21-22fpe range, so you can see the power difference isn't much. Bottom line is that The 48 is a winner.
The TX is a nice and pretty rifle. If you plan on primarily shooting FT competition, it would be a better choice, with a good 12fpe tune. It's still popular to the FT folks. Either are good ones ;)
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If you're an all around shooter. And want good power for hunting...the 48 will be your best go to. Lotsa guys will also say the same. It balances quite nicely in your hands. You don't lose any power. The .177 gives easy 18fpe min. and flat shooting. The 48 can handle the heavy .177 pellets, no problems. The .22 is 21-22fpe range, so you can see the power difference isn't much. Bottom line is that The 48 is a winner.
The TX is a nice and pretty rifle. If you plan on primarily shooting FT competition, it would be a better choice, with a good 12fpe tune. It's still popular to the FT folks. Either are good ones ;)
I am looking for an all around shooter. The 48 is much cheaper than the TX, more energy delivered. Yes the 48 is looking pretty sweet right now..........
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If you're an all around shooter. And want good power for hunting...the 48 will be your best go to. Lotsa guys will also say the same. It balances quite nicely in your hands. You don't lose any power. The .177 gives easy 18fpe min. and flat shooting. The 48 can handle the heavy .177 pellets, no problems. The .22 is 21-22fpe range, so you can see the power difference isn't much. Bottom line is that The 48 is a winner.
The TX is a nice and pretty rifle. If you plan on primarily shooting FT competition, it would be a better choice, with a good 12fpe tune. It's still popular to the FT folks. Either are good ones ;)
I am looking for an all around shooter. The 48 is much cheaper than the TX, more energy delivered. Yes the 48 is looking pretty sweet right now..........
I do not have a 48, but you should still consider 3 rifles that I love. R11/HW98 it is the same as the R9/HW95 except it has an adjustable stock. You would not believe the accuracy and the stock can be made to fit like a glove. The TX200MK3 may be the best rifle out of the box. HW97K is also a sweet rifle, all three are very accurate and nice rifles.
These are just my opinions and I have only been shooting for just under 2 years. There are others here who might have different ideas of what is best for them. ;)
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One of the things that attracted me to the 54, I wanted to mount a bi-pod. The sled and side lever cocking made me think it would shoot well from a bi-pod. I don't see how you could mount a bi-pod to an under lever, what about a hold sensitive 48? Is it even practical to use a bi-pod with a springer?
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Bipods and springers generally have not produced the best results. A handhold is a a good bet.
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Bipods and springers generally have not produced the best results. A handhold is a a good bet.
The 54 is an exception to that. I use a Harris type bipod on mine. It works well. There may be a slight degradation in accuracy (or not), but the stability of the short bipod makes up for it.
I made a longer front screw/sling stud that replaces the stock screw. That way, the bipod attaches with no modifications or drilling.
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Hi guys, so recently I purchased a T06 RWS 54 in .22 cal after doing extensive research on the gun. What was really attractive to me was the near-recoilless sliding rail the gun utilizes, reducing the need for the artillery hold. I've had the rifle for a few days now, and I'm really pleased with it. Even with CPHPs and my poor springer shooting ability, I'm getting dime sized groups at 20 yds, and I haven't even stretched out the range. However, another thing that I noticed while researching was that not many people have the 54, or at least compared to the 48, 460, TX200, etc. That got me thinking, why is that? Is there something about the 54 that people don't like? I know the gun is heavy, but I can handle it. And from I've heard, the TX200 isn't a lightweight either. So, what do you guys think? Is there a definitive reason why the 54 isn't as popular?
Here's my gun :)
Good question
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I always liked the 54. But, because I'm a lefty and they don't make that stock in a left-handed version was the reason I've never bought one.
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For me it was the price.