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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: airgunwarriors on September 04, 2014, 11:05:35 PM
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Well,
I saved-up enough money and will now be complimenting my Benjamin Titan GP .22 with a GRT-III and Gene's Washer/Bushing Kit!
I was going to try and fix the horrible factory stock trigger myself with a screw or ball-bearing fix, but after heading the advice of some that are wiser, I decided that saving up for the GRT-III was the best route over-all...especially with the addition of Gene's Washer/Bushing Kit!
My Titan GP .22 is an awesome gift from lefteyeshot that he picked-up at a pawn shop.
From what he and I can gather, it appears to be fairly new...so, I am going to treat as such by cleaning the barrel really good and then breaking the barrel in with a tin of lead!
I'm going to try and talk OleTomCat into installing the Kits for me properly and working his magic on the internals...making it even more awesome! ;D
Now, I am just trying to find the "right" scope for it. I need something that cost under $100.00 and will hold-up. The farthest target I will ever try to drop with it may possibly be only 35-yards thru 50-yards, so I do not need a very powerful scope. AO is a must though!
Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated! :D
Cheers,
AGW.
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I have the Centerpoint 4x16x40AO, FROM WALL M. 70$ and it has over 2000 shots on my silent cat and holding good, I think Tom Cat will agree
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I have a Hawke Sport 3-9 X 40, which is in your price range. It's held up well on a Nitro Venom for over a year. It is AO but does not have IR (which suits me fine).
As far as your bushings and washers go, according to Gene's website he no linger carries them. It never hurts to check, though.
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Thanks for the replies!
Having IR is not of great importance ot me with this particular aet-up, but I do like the idea of being able to go to the local Wal-Mart and picking up that Center-Point.
Roadworthy, what model is the Hawke? Link by any chance or pictures?
Gene happens to have the Washer/Bushing Kit for me by the way! :D
Thanks,
Al.
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Cool Al, you'll be rockin' soon once it's all installed and cleaned up.
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Al, my Hawke is the Sport 3-9 X 40 AO. I prefer the scope without IR as that is just one more thing to fail. The Sport AO is airgun rated. They do not recommend the IR version for airguns. You can check it out here:
http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-sport-hd-3-9x40.html (http://www.hawkeoptics.com/hawke-sport-hd-3-9x40.html)
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well...before we discuss scopes we have to discuss mounts...
My Titan LOVES to kick scopes around...apparently, that gas ram has to kick to it....anything heavier than the included tin can periscope will move 3/16 in 100 shots or less...not great for accuracy...
I;ve even tried the loctiting the clamps to the rails approach and had more movement than with clean and dry....
so like with the GTR trigger, we cut to the chase...
get a BKL one piece 6 bolt mount and use the crimp it till it clicks before installing it technique....anything less will frustrate you as you waste time and money that could be used to get what works without any hocus pocus, medicine men, sage smoke or sticking pins in dolls...yeah I know pricey, but soooo worth it...
or maybe a really light weight scope...the crosman 4-16X40 weighs a TON and that weight does effect the shot cycle..i BELIEVE it is a negative effect because I never matched the groups I got with the tin can periscope....but I also never got the scope to stay put...
for scopes leapers UTG with the side wheel is what I had settled on.....I have used the AO and the side wheel (SWAT) parallax adjusters and trying to turn the objective to get your sight picture while sighting through the scope is a joke...a bad one... compared to rolling the big wheel with your thumb....
why does that matter?... well the marks on the adjuster aren't exactly accurate...all of the 5 lower price scopes I've had looked better at 15 yards when adjusted 1/3 to 1/2 a margin off..some where to the high side some were to the low side....but twisting to 15 and shooting at 15 didn't get very good results for me...so while you're sighting and deciding on your distance and tuning the parallax for your shot....the side wheel is a ALOT less hassle....and their are quite nice (much better than you'd think for the price) side wheel scopes for $100...I wish I had kept the setup I had back in April...
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I second the Hawke, 3X9X40. About 80 bucks and fairly light.
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I've had both the UTG 4X16 and Hawke 3X9 and they are both big and heavy. I sent both back and now I'm getting the Hawke 4X Sport with AO. At 30 - 50 yards I don't need much and sure don't want to carry around all that extra weight and bulk plus the 4X is about half the price! Just something to consider.
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I've had both the UTG 4X16 and Hawke 3X9 and they are both big and heavy. I sent both back and now I'm getting the Hawke 4X Sport with AO. At 30 - 50 yards I don't need much and sure don't want to carry around all that extra weight and bulk plus the 4X is about half the price! Just something to consider.
Does this Hawks 4x Sport cost around $100.00 or less? Side AO? Link?
Thanks, :D
Al.
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I think I went for the 3-9 utg swat...was supposed to be 12½ ounces with the wheel....the dang centre point is close to 2 pounds...if you couldn't hit it with the pellet you could have thrown the scope at it instead...
troubles I had with the CP were mounting related.... being heavy and having the large forward bell the 4-16X40AO has to be on tall mounts....a weaver to groove adapter won't hold it...after tryug the cheapest set of BKLs I could get my hands on for a different gun, I won't bother with any other brand for grooved recievers..
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I forgot about weight factor in reference to scopes and certainly want to do my best to keep the weight in check for the Titan!
I understand and know first hand the frustrations of trying to adjust a front AO, so a side AO would be a huge bonus, just don't think I'll find that for $100.00 range.?.
Again, having IR is not of great importance on this particular setup.
Thanks again for the replies and suggestions! :D
Al.
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Before you buy any mount you should read up on Tim from Mac 1 and my posts on mounts for spring air rifles or gas ram air rifles. When it comes to scopes for these types of air rifles you will often notice how heavy they are. Thus the recoil of these air rifles need a good solid one piece mount to carry the stress of the 20 to 30 ounce scopes that folks use. You wont find many scope under 18 ounces that will hold up to a springer, or gas ram and I am not talking about an R-7 or Gamo Cadet. Most modern break barrels need Air Gun Rated scopes and they are generally heavy scopes. A two piece scope mount will not work well on these air rifles. You will destroy the scope tube as well and your point of impact will constantly change.
A one piece scope mount is the ticket with double screw caps.
Gene
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Check this out http://www.amazon.com/Hawke-Sport-Optics-AO-HD/dp/B004VPU4R4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1409953196&sr=8-4&keywords=hawke+sport+4. (http://www.amazon.com/Hawke-Sport-Optics-AO-HD/dp/B004VPU4R4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1409953196&sr=8-4&keywords=hawke+sport+4.)
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The .22 Titan GP definitely has some kick to it!
I consider the weight of it to be "ideal" for my build/weight, so the weight of the scope can be a little "heavy" if need be. I just want it to be sturdy, hold zero, have AO (preferably side AO) and be "affordable."
($100.00 or less)
Again, because of my lack of experience with shooting break-barrels...combined with the power of the .22 Titan GP, I seriously doubt I will ever try to knock anything down beyond 50-yards, so I do not need a very powerful scope.
Everyone's advice/suggestions are greatly appreciated! I will take Gene's on the mount and suggested weight parameters.
Respectfully,
Al.
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TUNING OF BREAK-BARRELS/GENE'S WASHER/BUSHING KIT:
I am for the most part a "Darksider" and the only break-barrel experience I have, is from our Fun-Shoot get together about a month ago and then a day of shooting in lefteyeshot's back-yard the next day.
(lefteyeshot gave me the .22 Titan GP the day we shot in his backyard and it is primarily what I shot. we did chrony and trigger pull weight. the results were 719-fps with 14.3-grain CPHP and the trigger pull weight was an average of 3.4-pounds or higher)
Question: If OleTomCat will do the install of the GRT-III, Gene's Washer/Bushing Kit and perform a complete Tune on my .22 Titan GP; other than having a much better trigger to shoot with...what should I expect as a result of the Tune and Gene's Kit installation?
Look forward to learning more on this!
Thanks,
Al.
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Al's work will give you a smoother feeling and shooting gun...
the GTR trigger will give you what the trigger ought to have been from the factory...
shoot 20 or 30 pellets through it in row before you hand it to him so you can set the flaws in your mind and when you get it back you will be amazed....it's literally an "is this the same gun experience"
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As to your scope inquiry, I just had an experience with a Hawke Sport model that didn't work out for me,,, and maybe it was "just me" and my older eyesight, but anyway, it was a 2-7x32 with mil-dot.
Not really fond of mil-dots for short range shooting as I found the reticle dots to be large and annoying when shooting at mostly under 50yds as I do, along with the view was somewhat blurry and I couldn't get that to change no matter what I did for adjustment. I returned it in exchange for a BSA Air Essential model 3-9x40.
Now it seems, the BSA scopes in general get a bad rap on many scope forums, I on the other hand have had great results with the ones I own, two 4x air gun models one old and one new work flawlessly and give my eyesight an excellent view. They are a bit heavy, but as explained in a previous post that is needed for these piston and spring guns. They have an AO, fast focus eye piece and the reticle is a duplex and pretty thin, perfect for the closer range shooting in my opinion. These models are under your cost range at the online optics sellers I've seen.
Your choice of the GRT lll and addition of brass bushings will be an enlightening experience. I've recently done the same to my Nitro Venom with excellent results.
Hope this helps and good shooting.
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Before you buy any mount you should read up on Tim from Mac 1 and my posts on mounts for spring air rifles or gas ram air rifles. When it comes to scopes for these types of air rifles you will often notice how heavy they are. Thus the recoil of these air rifles need a good solid one piece mount to carry the stress of the 20 to 30 ounce scopes that folks use. You wont find many scope under 18 ounces that will hold up to a springer, or gas ram and I am not talking about an R-7 or Gamo Cadet. Most modern break barrels need Air Gun Rated scopes and they are generally heavy scopes. A two piece scope mount will not work well on these air rifles. You will destroy the scope tube as well and your point of impact will constantly change.
A one piece scope mount is the ticket with double screw caps.
Gene
X2 4 screws are needed with today's true magnums. Times have changed in the power department, for sure.
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Fortunately for me, lefteyeshot (Tim) gave me the .22 Titan GP with a UTG droop-rail w/4-screws. Here's what it looks like:
(http://i847.photobucket.com/albums/ab34/airgunwarriors/CAM01559-1_zpsc506f008.jpg) (http://s847.photobucket.com/user/airgunwarriors/media/CAM01559-1_zpsc506f008.jpg.html)
Should do the trick.
Thanks for the advice and in-put,
Al.
(AGW)
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Yep. He did you good. Put good 4 screw rings on it, and you got a strong anchor. ;)
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i tried a 4 screw dove tail to pica moved with a CP 4-16x40AO on it....even with Loctite in the scope rails...but that is a pretty heavy scope....that when i got told to use the BKL 6 bolt...for a not quite a magnum spring the Titan has quite a bit of jump to it...
i now have a much lighter CP 3-9X32 in the factory twin clamp bolt mounts that are located to the rails which has stayed put for 40-50 shots or 4 - 5 times longer than the 4-16/4 bolt dove tail to pica adapter setup did and seems to be staying put better than the included 4x32 did without Loctite on the dove tails...
my personal jury is still out on the Loctite on dove tails thing but i don't want to clean it off just to find out....i have a working scope with an up right non rotating reticle that looks to be staying put... that fits my goals and i see no reason to fix it until it's broke again...