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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Bwalton on August 30, 2014, 12:08:49 AM
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If you asked each member you would probably get a different answer every time. Some say That its like a mouse fart :o honestly i have never been that close to a mouse's butt. Some say it is like a gush of air/ Well To me it strongly depends on the gun itself. Some have depingers and some half full shrouds, while some just have a LDC. Not matter what style of lead dust collector you have, and some may be quieter then others.....But the fact is that a certain DB ceiling would be classified as backyard friendly. Lets take the Umarex Octane for example which is 91.7DB and states that its most defiantly backyard friendly... So is this the bar we should set?.. Some of the LDC that I have made after testing them fall between 60-70db, while other guns with full shrouds and lower air movement might fall even less. So the point being while PA says that 91db is backyard friendly, I say that 60-70db is while other might say that 50db is where you want to be.
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IF I was going to shoot in my back yard and not be heard, I would use either my Daisy 953 or the Daisy 777. These guns are really quite. Especially the 777. I do not shoot my Crosman 2240 because the neighbor 200ft across the street says he can hear it, in his house and I have my garage door down. :P :P
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Where I live now as long as it is as quiet as a .357 mag I will be fine. :) I do not care about the neighbors with all the Tejano music. :)
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Yes if your neighbor complains that is not backyard friendly for that person. Mudd what DB would you say those other airguns are?
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You are right about it being different for everyone. Around my house I am ok shooting my BT65 during the day when I know its not disturbing to anyone but wouldnt do it early or late in the day. When I would shoot the 350 magnum I would do it anytime any day without worry.
Backyard friendly in my opinion would be generally between 65-75 db, some areas with older folks and houses closer together would be the lower end where I think the upper range applies to most areas.
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backyard friendly to me is when the cops don't come.*L*
but personally between 70db and under. some townships or areas may have a noise ordinance which could be as low as 50db so it's what they have that counts.
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backyard friendly to me is when the cops don't come.*L*
but personally between 70db and under. some townships or areas may have a noise ordinance which could be as low as 50db so it's what they have that counts.
Yes I agree, I think that 70 would be the top of the tolerance, and 50 would be grand...some airguns that start @ 102db and above just not going to get to 50db without lost of power an or accuracy, an or a motorcycle muffler on it.
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IF I was going to shoot in my back yard and not be heard, I would use either my Daisy 953 or the Daisy 777. These guns are really quite. Especially the 777. I do not shoot my Crosman 2240 because the neighbor 200ft across the street says he can hear it, in his house and I have my garage door down. :P :P
Ya don't have a TKO on your 2240?
I do and it is definitely quiet.
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In my neck of the woods, I'd say anything less than this. :P
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lol :o
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As I live in the woods and my nearest neighbor is far enough away that they could not hear any thing that I could shoot, I look at "Back Yard" friendly a bit differently.
For me it is what would scare away the small critters, I like having them around so that I can put meat on the table from time to time. So if it is loud enough to scare them away at 10 feet then it is to loud to be back yard friendly.
I have found that my Crosman 2289 with a 18 inch barrel and a few other mods is quiet enough (you can not hear the report, you only hear the hammer impacting the valve stem). And even though they are a bit louder my Daisy 880's, 22X, and Crosman 66 are also quiet enough that a rabbit 10 feet away will not be bothered by the report, so all of them are back yard friendly for me.
Though I do find it useful from time to time to use a 2289 with some hammer bounce and a 12 inch barrel to make a bit of noise to scare off a wolf from time to time, or even a revolver loaded with just powder cap and a wad (no lead) is sometimes useful to scare away what is not wanted :).
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Where I live now as long as it is as quiet as a .357 mag I will be fine. :) I do not care about the neighbors with all the Tejano music. :)
My thoughts here too! But as long as it doesn't drown out my saloon music! ;D
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Yes if your neighbor complains that is not backyard friendly for that person. Mudd what DB would you say those other airguns are?
The neighbor is a good friend, he did not complain, just said that he could hear the 2240. As far as the 953 and the 777, I do not have a DB meter, but they are real quite.
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well I just had a experience with a neighbor 200+yards away who's property is behind mine. being noisey to see my solar panels he saw me out with my pcp. anyway, we ran into each other and expressed he has a issue with me shooting because he has kids.
I said I understand his concern and I'm installing a 6 to 8ft wooden fence 20 yards beyond my clearing which gives an additional 47 yards to the end of my property line which is slightly uphill and putting a 4 -5ft burm in front of the fence . I also stated I do not shoot when I do hear kids about and it's not often that I do. none of that seemed to matter. he then stated that there's a discharge law 1000ft and someone in his family is a trooper. so I'm listening and being polite and I then stated that there is no ordinance in this borough I spoke with the mayor personally, I have verified with the troopers (gave names) that as long as I have a proper backstop that it is not a legal issue and had that confirmed by two different lawfirms one which specialize in gun laws.
I also mentioned that I have been shooting for the past two years and it has not been a issue nor has there been any problems so why now is there?
with no answer he retorted well these .22 airguns can be lethal and assumed I was shooting .22's, I replied I'm mainly shooting .177 20 yards from my home out to 50 yards which leaves 97yards with at least 40yards heavily wooded and I'm aiming outside the vicinity of your property clearing, and actually for anything to land on your property it would have to pass through my solar panels, or 5ft high mound of tree trunks up to 8 ft deep.
in the end I told him to check with his relative and let me know as I have conflicting info on paper then got in my truck and drove away. my employee who was with me said what a ^#(*% that guy is.*L*
so in the end, I'll install my fence the width of my property, build a burm and as long as there's no ordinance and it's legal and I'm not violating any noise ordinances then he has to deal with his fears. there are many more risk to his kids than me practicing a few weekends a month.
funny thing is my neighbor to the left of me (retired leo and ffl dealer) is shooting loud springers but no issue with him.
people have become so fearful it's insane.
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wow! thats what we have to deal with from time to time, you did the right thing and did not back down like he wanted you to I expect..
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well, after that encounter, it now makes sense why our homebuilder had issues with him. I realized when talking to him he was not seeing anything clearly and my explanations were falling on deaf ears. both neighbors to the right and left have no problems and they don't even hear me unless they are out and then they aren't sure what that sound is. should he call the cops, it won't be because he hears me but he has come onto my property to see me and at that point I will have a issue and I turn my issues over to my attorney. and should the borough set a ordinance, I'll just shoot over at my other house 10 minutes away and a different borough.
it's sad that people cannot or will not see facts over fears and try to make everything their way even if it infringes on someone elses rights.
I do now have to voluntary register my airguns as even on my property I can be arrested and the graves law requires mandatory jail time on the charge of illegal weapon.
I also had to doublecheck the state discharge laws and it's 150ft from a dwelling with bow, 450ft with firearm with exceptions. being my right and left neighbors are okay it leaves one which is 501ft away. I'm covered.
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My marauder pistol is supposed to be around 98 decibels which I consider back yard friendly. So that says it's almost as loud as lawn mower but there's a big difference in 98db for 1/4 of a second and 100db for 5 minutes. My prod which is the loudest air rifle I have is way more quiet than a finish nailer. If your neighbor has a problem with the noise from quite air rifle I hope he is never around to hear you run a saw and different kinds of pneumatic tools.
Also I think I've heard before that if gun 1 is 90 decibels, and gun 2 is 91 decibels that #2 is supposed to be 3x as loud the way that the decibel chart works.
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Unfortunately, my neighbours have selective hearing. Noisy yard equipment is accepted, but even quiet thwack, thwack of an air gun pricks their ears something fierce. They are suspicious of even pneumatic nail gun and impact wrench noises.
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In my neck of the woods, I'd say anything less than this. :P
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;D ;D ;D Reminds me in 1968 the New Jersey was coming into Long Beach for trials before going to Viet Nam are we were leaving for Viet Nam. OH how I wanted to see her unleash those 16inchers. ;D ;D our paths never crossed while in the Tonkin Gulf :( :( but I heard when she unleashed her 16inchers on San Clemente Island 25mi from LA (not Louisiana ;D) the people were complaining about the booms. ;D ;D I would have liked to have seen that just once. being a Gunners Mate. ;) ;)
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Like others have said it really depends on where you live, who you live by, what the laws are and how loud your gun is. I am "technically" in the city limits so "technically" I can't shoot anything. I have 1 person that cares what I and everyone else does, she is one of those people that have to have their nose in everybody's business. She's the only one, no one else cares, I know because I have asked them, I don't talk to her and neither does anyone else.
But...I work with a couple guys I have got into shooting AG's and they live in bigger citys so it's a little different for them. This is what I told them to try......I have a bullet barrel in my garage for test firing guns I build. The guns are still loud so I fire up my rider mower with a cinder block on the seat so it stays running, test fire and shut the mower off. So that's what they have done all summer, wrap a piece of tape on the handle of the mower kill bar, start it and shoot. The one guy said the guy that lives next door to him teased him after the first week he got his gun and was mowing the lawn. He said the guy said oh...you are mowing the lawn I thought you were shooting your gun again. He said the guy told him every time a mower starts they say Mike must be shooting again....kinda funny. Might waste some gas but that's the price you might have to pay to shoot at home. If you live in a bunch of boxed in houses with just one pita person around you any break barrel is to loud.
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well I just had a experience with a neighbor 200+yards away who's property is behind mine. being noisey to see my solar panels he saw me out with my pcp. anyway, we ran into each other and expressed he has a issue with me shooting because he has kids.
I said I understand his concern and I'm installing a 6 to 8ft wooden fence 20 yards beyond my clearing which gives an additional 47 yards to the end of my property line which is slightly uphill and putting a 4 -5ft burm in front of the fence . I also stated I do not shoot when I do hear kids about and it's not often that I do. none of that seemed to matter. he then stated that there's a discharge law 1000ft and someone in his family is a trooper. so I'm listening and being polite and I then stated that there is no ordinance in this borough I spoke with the mayor personally, I have verified with the troopers (gave names) that as long as I have a proper backstop that it is not a legal issue and had that confirmed by two different lawfirms one which specialize in gun laws.
I also mentioned that I have been shooting for the past two years and it has not been a issue nor has there been any problems so why now is there?
with no answer he retorted well these .22 airguns can be lethal and assumed I was shooting .22's, I replied I'm mainly shooting .177 20 yards from my home out to 50 yards which leaves 97yards with at least 40yards heavily wooded and I'm aiming outside the vicinity of your property clearing, and actually for anything to land on your property it would have to pass through my solar panels, or 5ft high mound of tree trunks up to 8 ft deep.
in the end I told him to check with his relative and let me know as I have conflicting info on paper then got in my truck and drove away. my employee who was with me said what a ^#(*% that guy is.*L*
so in the end, I'll install my fence the width of my property, build a burm and as long as there's no ordinance and it's legal and I'm not violating any noise ordinances then he has to deal with his fears. there are many more risk to his kids than me practicing a few weekends a month.
funny thing is my neighbor to the left of me (retired leo and ffl dealer) is shooting loud springers but no issue with him.
people have become so fearful it's insane.
I know the feeling... Some people are just uneducated to our sport period.
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I am glad that my nearest neighbor is 300+ yards away through very very thick woods (sound does not carry well in the woods). They could not hear me discharge a .36 cal black powder revolver let alone an AirRifle. I feel sorry for those that have to deal with issues from there neighbors just because they have an AirRifle.
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My Trail np is what I might consider the borderline for me. My side neighbors are about 15 and 30 yards away. I'm in a neighborhood. They know I shoot as they've seen me carry out my range bags to the car before. Never been approached though.
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There are at least two aspects of "backyard friendly".
The most obvious is audible sound. IMHO, anything more than 90db, about the sound level of an R7 in .177, is too much for stealth shooting with ears within 25 yards.
The less obvious, but no less important IMHO, is visual. Being seen shooting or handling a gun of any sort is probably more likely to invite scrutiny than any sound.
My policy is no be neither heard nor seen. I target shoot from an enclosed area and do not walk around within eyeshot of anyone.
R
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There are at least two aspects of "backyard friendly".
The most obvious is audible sound. IMHO, anything more than 90db, about the sound level of an R7 in .177, is too much for stealth shooting with ears within 25 yards.
The less obvious, but no less important IMHO, is visual. Being seen shooting or handling a gun of any sort is probably more likely to invite scrutiny than any sound.
My policy is no be neither heard nor seen. I target shoot from an enclosed area and do not walk around within eyeshot of anyone.
R
Yep, Some people get all bent out of shape when they see a gun.... "Oh my god it's a pellet gunnnn" Helpppp....
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It's not "gracious he's got a pellet gun", it's "gracious!! he's got a gun!", Hello, 911, I just saw a guy with a gun. And 911 says, hello, SWAT TEAM, man with a gun sighted, etc, etc,
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well, after that encounter, it now makes sense why our homebuilder had issues with him. I realized when talking to him he was not seeing anything clearly and my explanations were falling on deaf ears. both neighbors to the right and left have no problems and they don't even hear me unless they are out and then they aren't sure what that sound is. should he call the cops, it won't be because he hears me but he has come onto my property to see me and at that point I will have a issue and I turn my issues over to my attorney. and should the borough set a ordinance, I'll just shoot over at my other house 10 minutes away and a different borough.
it's sad that people cannot or will not see facts over fears and try to make everything their way even if it infringes on someone elses rights.
I do now have to voluntary register my airguns as even on my property I can be arrested and the graves law requires mandatory jail time on the charge of illegal weapon.
I also had to doublecheck the state discharge laws and it's 150ft from a dwelling with bow, 450ft with firearm with exceptions. being my right and left neighbors are okay it leaves one which is 501ft away. I'm covered.
FYI - the discharge distances you are quoting are for hunting purposes only. They are not related to general shooting. Also, the 150 for archery is only if you are in an elevated position (which the state does not define) in an attempt to use the ground as a backstop. I.E. tree stand hunting. Many towns have no discharge laws for firearms and in NJ a firearm can be an air rifle or even a slingshot (yes, we not so good). Being that you are in south Jersey, you might not have a no discharge law, but check you local town ordinances. You can usually find them online.
All that being said, you sound like you are doing a lot to be safe. I wouldn't worry about it. Shame we can't get a "silenced" AG in this state...
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I went over to my buddy's house early one morning and he wasn't awake yet, so I just sat on the porch and shot. Turns out he was actually asleep on the couch, and still didn't hear me the whole time I was shooting when he was basically 6' away on the other side of a door.
I figure the only people the noise is going to bother are the people that the mere fact you're shooting an airgun is going to bother. Nice thing about my friend's property is that his brother runs a nailgun and compressor so often no one can tell the difference between my pellet gun and the nail gun.
Also people generally don't have a good perspective of decibels. To say that 50 dB is half as loud as 100 dB is entirely wrong, so if you're taking a 90 dB gun down to 60-70 dB you've basically made it as quiet as a radio or living room TV set. Down to 50 dB and it's more like a desktop fan or computer.
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FYI - the discharge distances you are quoting are for hunting purposes only. They are not related to general shooting. Also, the 150 for archery is only if you are in an elevated position (which the state does not define) in an attempt to use the ground as a backstop. I.E. tree stand hunting. Many towns have no discharge laws for firearms and in NJ a firearm can be an air rifle or even a slingshot (yes, we not so good). Being that you are in south Jersey, you might not have a no discharge law, but check you local town ordinances. You can usually find them online.
All that being said, you sound like you are doing a lot to be safe. I wouldn't worry about it. Shame we can't get a "silenced" AG in this state...
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you are correct, that is for hunting shot my attorney a email just to make sure that if there is no local ordinance that there is no defacto state guideline. no discharge law here, the mayor lives down the street and verified plus everyone around here are shooting real guns, I can hear them on occaisions )
this state firearm laws are so convoluted and the graves act will make a unknowing or innocent person a convict.
anyways I'm shooting behind my solar panels as the straight path back does not intersect with any of their open space but should I miss (which is hardly ever) it's not going to pass through 4ft high 8ft deep pile of tree trucks.not to mention I'm shooting down.
now you know I'm going to be careful.*LOL*
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out of curiosity, I did a decible test with all my airguns.
now the air ranger and d48 are among the loudest but my neighbor to the left (retired leo and ffl dealer) says these are quiet compared to his gamo
FX T12 whisper 46db,47db,46db
theoben 53db,44db,50db
air ranger 72db,72db,77db
rainstorm 3d 72db,71db,72db
bsa r10 66db,66db,67db
hw100 72db,67db,74db
s510 68db,67db,68db
mrod 75db,74db,62db
d48 74db,73db,75db
rx 68db,74db,66db
hw77 66db.75db,66db
rs3 74db,66db,73db
mendoza 66db,67db,73db
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I wish I had a decibel meter. What I do have is a nosy neighbor with a temper! He came over today, walking through the bushes while I was sighting in my new HW50s. He was shouting, "Do you have a Rifle! Are you shooting that rifle towards my yard! I have kids over here!" I tried to explain that it was a pellet gun and I wasn't shooting towards his house anyway. No go. I finally said, " If you don't like it, I will just pack it up". Picked up everything and went inside. I will try to find a decent place to shoot on the far side of the house. That puts me in the front yard but it's pretty big, 100 X200. Still, it is in view of the road and anyone passing by. Lots of people walking around this neighborhood too. I guess I will just have to invite them to try their hand at shooting if they say anything.
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ya got a iphone or android phone, there's a app. I used 3 different apps as one could be off or just a crappy app. they were somewhat consistant.
now I can understand a parent being concerned about their kids and their safety, but there's a way to go about dealing with this with a neighbor.
like what I did was offer the guy to stop by so he can see there's no danger in it's current state and will be even less of a issue when I install a fence and berm. now after that whatever the issue he may still have, he'll need to get help because I'm done placating ignorant and uncompromising people.
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You people are nicer than me. I tell them 'you are trespassing' & 'Do you know what that means'? Then I tell them to get off my property.
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A working backstop.
(Serially folks, IME no one cares about noise here in WV - even in the town limits.
For me an LDC would be a waste of money. It's even an advantage for them to think I have firearms.)
Rod
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In my neck of the woods, I'd say anything less than this. :P
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;D ;D ;D Reminds me in 1968 the New Jersey was coming into Long Beach for trials before going to Viet Nam are we were leaving for Viet Nam. OH how I wanted to see her unleash those 16inchers. ;D ;D our paths never crossed while in the Tonkin Gulf :( :( but I heard when she unleashed her 16inchers on San Clemente Island 25mi from LA (not Louisiana ;D) the people were complaining about the booms. ;D ;D I would have liked to have seen that just once. being a Gunners Mate. ;) ;)
If I am not mistaken that is the German rail gun used in WW1 where they bombed paris from an incredible distance. the shell went out of the atmosphere and they had calculated it all for the range and it was bigger then a 16 inch gun. could only fire like 30 shells before barrel worn out. their uniforms were late WW1 I think because they did not start out with those helmets
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Backyard friendly to me means the impact of the pellet on the target is louder than the muzzle report.
Harry
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Backyard friendly to me means the impact of the pellet on the target is louder than the muzzle report.
Harry
I like that...
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Backyard friendly to me means the impact of the pellet on the target is louder than the muzzle report.
Harry
I have a nosy neighbour who reacts to the impact noise with; "what are you shooting at!?"
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I think Harry basically put it it a nutshell.
What it comes down to really is who's "Backyard" are we talking about,... and who the neighbors are.
We've got to remember that here on the GTA, we have folks from all walks of life, in everything from compacted city dwellers (like you and me Baxter),... to guys who have 10+ acres and more to shoot on.
"Backyard friendly" depends on what one person may call his "backyard",... (and how close to you,... and WHO his neighbors are).
but in reality, as far as the term "Backyard Friendly" goes,... the quieter, the better.
in my case, being in the city, with the neighbors house only 50' away,...
... anything louder than my 850-900 FPS fully shrouded Mrod, will bring the authorities knocking.
hence, why I even have a Mac1 gen 2 LDC on my 14" 2289/1322.
And another one, just installed on my .22 FDPCP, (which I haven't even picked up yet from the shop) & ( I can't wait to go pick it up and try it out ! ).
just my rambling thoughts
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A 16 to 20 ounce hammer pounding on 2 x 4's is backyard friendly all day long. If you could measure the db of that, you might have a starting point.
I try to be as stealth as possible and generally don't shoot outside but if I do, I have a hammer, nails and some 2x4's close by.
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out of curiosity, I did a decible test with all my airguns.
now the air ranger and d48 are among the loudest but my neighbor to the left (retired leo and ffl dealer) says these are quiet compared to his gamo
FX T12 whisper 46db,47db,46db
theoben 53db,44db,50db
air ranger 72db,72db,77db
rainstorm 3d 72db,71db,72db
bsa r10 66db,66db,67db
hw100 72db,67db,74db
s510 68db,67db,68db
mrod 75db,74db,62db
d48 74db,73db,75db
rx 68db,74db,66db
hw77 66db.75db,66db
rs3 74db,66db,73db
mendoza 66db,67db,73db
There's no way any of those are right.
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I'm going by 3 different apps I posted what was registered they are not loud to begin with some here can attest to that.
on another note, there was a letter IN my mailbox with a sat photo and distances marked out and the safety zone which clearly states hunting which I'm not doing. more so looking back through my surveillance video I have the drop off recorded. now it is illegal for anyone except the mailperson to put mail in a mailbox. can put it on it, tape it on, or wedge it between the flag, but not in it.
wonder what excuse there will be when I'm aiming towards my own home.*LOL*
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Backyard friendly to me is, when the sound that comes from the pellet hitting the target is actually louder than the report from the rifle.
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on another note, there was a letter IN my mailbox with a sat photo and distances marked out and the safety zone which clearly states hunting which I'm not doing. more so looking back through my surveillance video I have the drop off recorded. now it is illegal for anyone except the mailperson to put mail in a mailbox. can put it on it, tape it on, or wedge it between the flag, but not in it.
wonder what excuse there will be when I'm aiming towards my own home.*LOL*
I did not know it was illegal, but you very well could be right. My mail box is locked and the only person that can put mail in it is the mail carrier. Since you have video, I would go to the police and file charges. If they do not do anything go to your postmaster who has to get the Feds involved and the nosy neighbor will have more problems than an air rifle. :)
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on another note, there was a letter IN my mailbox with a sat photo and distances marked out and the safety zone which clearly states hunting which I'm not doing. more so looking back through my surveillance video I have the drop off recorded. now it is illegal for anyone except the mailperson to put mail in a mailbox. can put it on it, tape it on, or wedge it between the flag, but not in it.
wonder what excuse there will be when I'm aiming towards my own home.*LOL*
I did not know it was illegal, but you very well could be right. My mail box is locked and the only person that can put mail in it is the mail carrier. Since you have video, I would go to the police and file charges. If they do not do anything go to your postmaster who has to get the Feds involved and the nosy neighbor will have more problems than an air rifle. :)
I'd rather wait and see how this all plays out. the guys installing my solar panels were like ???, when I told them. there's really no way to see me unless he trespasses onto my property. folliage is too dense and I'm going to install a 9ft fence. 6ft and another nailed to it 3ft higher.*LOL*
might paint it neon glow in the dark orange. ;D
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BYF is when the THWACK of an impacting pellet on its intended target no longer sounds like it does !!
A quite muzzle report is great and quite easy to achieve .... After the fact down range, Not so much :P :P :P
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;D I have a couple that qualify as backyard friendly unfortunately my newest (Daystate Huntsman Regal XL .25) is not, my Synthetic M-Rod .25 RSII .22 ans AA S510 are so I just wait for my neighbors to not be in their yards and plink away quietly ;D ;D ;D
The daystate will be used as a hunter and range gun until I can get a better LDC than the one that comes on her. Bu back stop in the yard is 8 large bags of rubber shredded mulch so the target back stop is also stealthy
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I have a few backyard friendly air rifles; an R7, my daughter's HW30M and my Pro Sport. My TX is the carbine model so it's a little beast, it definitely packs a real pop in small spaces but it is just as quiet in the open field since the sound dissipates. The background target in the pellet trap is louder than my Pro Sport even though it's loaded with duct seal to keep the sound level down.
I use all of them in my yard (including the Crow Magnum) without any issues, my neighbors are pretty nice. I return the favor by respecting their time in the yard too, I pack it away when I hear them enjoying their time back there.
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It certainly helps "backyard friendly" when the neighbours are not around.
If a squirrel falls in the forest, and no one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
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I should've said my neighbors know that I shoot back there, they do and they appreciate the rats being taken care of.
And yes, a squirrel falling in the forest does make a sound, not sure what kind of sound but I'm sure it's backyard friendly ;D
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I should've said my neighbors know that I shoot back there, they do and they appreciate the rats being taken care of.
And yes, a squirrel falling in the forest does make a sound, not sure what kind of sound but I'm sure it's backyard friendly ;D
Might not be friendly for the squirrel though. LOL
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Boy, I thought I had it rough with just one bad neighbor and an acre yard to shoot in. I feel sorry for you guys.