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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: NJMevec on July 26, 2014, 02:27:37 AM
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Which one should I get for hunting season? The disco is cool because it's wicked light...but the amount of money I'd put into it (multi-shot breech, shroud) it would cost as much as a SynRod. How much more accurate/powerful is the SynRod vs the Disco? Again this is for hunting so I don't really want an 8 pound gun...but if the power is that much more I'll make do. Again I'd be paying for the Disco+Pump combo, multi shot breech, and shroud. That VS a Marauder and a shroud. Or should I cut my losses and get a PRod?
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Depends on what your hunting, Small game such as rabbits and squirrel or med size game like raccoon or coyote. Also, are you going to fill strictly by hand pump? If you are going to use a hand pump and don't mind a good work out then I would get the Marauder in .25 it has and excellent barrel and will shoot excellent groups at 50 yards with no problem. The Disco is great and will do just fine on small game at any range under 75 yards. But personally I would do a little more research and make sure of what you want! The Prod is an excellant choice for small game.
I have 2 Discos and a Mrod in .25 cal. all are great guns. But I think my next PCP will be a Cricket or an Air Arms in .22. The .22 is cheaper to shoot and still an excellent squirrel rifle.
Its a hard call for what choices you asked, but all will do just fine if you like pumping, if not get a Discovery!
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I would be strictly set to hand pump! I would be hunting only small game, predominantly squirrel. Max range is probably 35 or 40 yards (dense forests up here in Central New York). I may stretch out to 50 every now and again. I would also be woods walking which is why I'm iffy on the Disco. Already a rifle length I would be adding another 6" for a muzzle brake so I can shoot it in my backyard to sight it in and kill some critters. I'm leaning PRod but I could pretty much get that by just putting a HiPAC on my 2240 kit that I have...AH THE OPTIONS ARE HURTING MY HEAD. I'm trying to keep cost down as much as possible. Sub $600 for the gun.
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Go for the Synrod in .25, it already has everything you want, multi shot 8 rd magazine, shrouded and will easily knock down those nutters with head shots all day long. Why build a gun when the Synrod is already there!!!!
Matt
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+1 on the Synrod. You can get the Disco but like said by the time your done building its practically a Gen1 mini Marauder.The synrod is tunable,great shot count,quiet and a repeater.If you got the Prod you would most likely want the Synrod after awhile for the longer range shots and the fact its avail in .25/ Go for the Gold 8)
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i've been toting a synrod .22 around the woods this year. with a padded sling for the long walking parts, and carrying it at field ready most of the rest of the time, its not bad at all. and i am not in that great of shape...
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If you all stated your ages, it would be easier to make suggestions.
I chose the Discovery and added a sling for two reasons. 1) I am "over the hill." 2) I ride a bicycle through the sugar cane fields to get to the hunting woods. Several pounds more rifle would make significant differences. When it is too muddy for the bicycle, the walking distance is about three miles.
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if the marauder might be longer than you want, there are bullpup stocks you can get for them to shorten its length.
unless you need the lighter weight or want to save a little cash to put towards a scuba tank, get the marauder. I don't have a marauder, I got a deal on my disco with the things you mention added so went that route.
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They are all money pits, but the S-rod less of one than the other two mentioned.
P-Rod serves me well, but most folks here won’t care for the power level, or if boosted in power, the shot count you can get from the small air volume.
If you can live with a single shot and an add on LDC, Discovery is a very nice hunter. But putting together a multi-shot, shrouded version boosts the cost considerably without really changing the performance.
IF I did go with a S-Rod, would probably go with the .25. Not that I need or even want the power, but it seems the .25 is the mostly likely to have a no-trouble barrel. Certainly is a bit more “chunky” than would be ideal and you’ll pump a whole lot.
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From what i am gathering you better go for the SynRod, in 25 cal only, DO NOT GET A .22 Cal. You are wanting a Quiet, multi shot, power house and med weight, the way you are contemplating in your writings your heart tells us that the .25 SynRod is what you want.
So buy the Synrod and you will not regret it. It has an excellent barrel and everything else you want, you may have to spend some time pumping but for hunting that won't be a problem. I have $1000.00 in my Disco and it is still not close to being what my Mrod shoots like! So theres your answer.
(http://www.webexpressplus.com/disco/discobnm/BNM5.jpg)
Just Do It... SynRod all the way ;D
William
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Are there any other air rifles that are comparable to the SynRod in that price range? Hatsans are a lot cheaper and I can probably get a muzzle brake to get them quieter.
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Here is a great and informative thread on Hatsans
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=71380.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=71380.0)
I would go with a refurbished hatsan or marauder in .25 if you can do the weight.
TKO's LDC fits the Hatsans I believe.
Joseph
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As several others have pointed out the Syn-Rod in .25 is a good all around shooter the ammo costs more but for decent power out of the box and not that hard to pump from 1800 psi to 2800 psi . if you are looking for an accurate powerhouse in .22 with multi shot capability then for a few bucks more look at a used or refurb Evanix .22 Rainstorm II
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Not age. Bring on your 25 year old static, couch potato, butter ball.
If weight is an issue, then get some up-to-date hunting boots, clothes, take a dump before you head out, and cut down the excess b.s. you haul with you. Will safe 2-3 pounds, which is the difference between a 10.5 pound rifle and a 7.5 pound one.
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Not age. Bring on your 25 year old static, couch potato, butter ball.
If weight is an issue, then get some up-to-date hunting boots, clothes, take a dump before you head out, and cut down the excess b.s. you haul with you. Will safe 2-3 pounds, which is the difference between a 10.5 pound rifle and a 7.5 pound one.
;) Did you just call Mike a Butterball?
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I've seen that AirForce Condors are pretty easily swappable between .22 and .25 and the power adjustment wheel is pretty sweet AND I don't need to use HPA until I go out if I just buy a CO2 adapter and can use a CO2 tank for backyard plinking on a low power....I think I'm going to go with the AirForce.
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not much to add to whats been said. but I'll say this for the original question.
Get the Syn-rod. It's sorta pointless modding a Disco up to a Syn-rod's features. Cost would be almost the same, just more work & still less shots per fill than the Synrod.
The condor is a very good option also, if only for a nice shot count & the ability to swap calibers easily. That single shot thing is a pain though. I thought they'd do something about that by now after all these years.
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Not age. Bring on your 25 year old static, couch potato, butter ball.
If weight is an issue, then get some up-to-date hunting boots, clothes, take a dump before you head out, and cut down the excess b.s. you haul with you. Will safe 2-3 pounds, which is the difference between a 10.5 pound rifle and a 7.5 pound one.
VERY FUNNY! However, I know you are not talking about me, but rather those that worry about carrying a ten-pound rifle. I don't worry about it - I just don't want to! Hee hee
True story: The group I bicycle with is named the"Couch Potatoes".
Not age. Bring on your 25 year old static, couch potato, butter ball.
If weight is an issue, then get some up-to-date hunting boots, clothes, take a dump before you head out, and cut down the excess b.s. you haul with you. Will safe 2-3 pounds, which is the difference between a 10.5 pound rifle and a 7.5 pound one.
;) Did you just call Mike a Butterball?
O U O H ! LOL
On a good day I am 5' 7" short and weigh 147 pounds.
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Get a p-rod. You don't need a .25 cal for hunting squirrels at 40 yards. A .22 synrod would work the exact same and save you 50% more money on ammo costs. If you want a field gun every pound counts.
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If you all stated your ages, it would be easier to make suggestions.
I chose the Discovery and added a sling for two reasons. 1) I am "over the hill." 2) I ride a bicycle through the sugar cane fields to get to the hunting woods. Several pounds more rifle would make significant differences. When it is too muddy for the bicycle, the walking distance is about three miles.
E D I T : If we all posted pictures of ourselves, it would be easier to make suggestions. Hee hee
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If you all stated your ages, it would be easier to make suggestions.
I chose the Discovery and added a sling for two reasons. 1) I am "over the hill." 2) I ride a bicycle through the sugar cane fields to get to the hunting woods. Several pounds more rifle would make significant differences. When it is too muddy for the bicycle, the walking distance is about three miles.
E D I T : If we all posted pictures of ourselves, it would be easier to make suggestions. Hee hee
Ouch I can't subject my friends to that much pain
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Nathan,
I think you are ready to with what you have.
I have a PRod waiting for the squirrel season but my main gun for a lot of years has been a Blue Streak in 5mm.
I took a few shots today.
It took four shots to re-zero the peep but then I settled down with six more.
Sitting down from 20 yards, unrested.
Now if the squirrels will give me time to pump...(http://i1356.photobucket.com/albums/q733/barnydaddy/0d1ecfb9ed7e4f305b45857c4f022a8e_zpsc4f9702e.jpg)
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not much to add to whats been said. but I'll say this for the original question.
Get the Syn-rod. It's sorta pointless modding a Disco up to a Syn-rod's features. Cost would be almost the same, just more work & still less shots per fill than the Synrod.
The condor is a very good option also, if only for a nice shot count & the ability to swap calibers easily. That single shot thing is a pain though. I thought they'd do something about that by now after all these years.
I agree 100%, I modded my Disco and by the time I got done and still ain't done, I have as much in it as 2 SynRod's or one good Cricket or even a Air Arms 510 ....
William
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Ok....but avert your eyes if you're squeemish; old, bald, skinny guys ain't pretty.
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t50/ribbonstone/0cf903d3-d4c0-4cff-ae1b-3bf2113999d7_zps8ef2284f.jpg)
Maggie is the shorter of the two.
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LMBO! You guys are killing me reading this! :)
All I do is hunt - mainly Ground Squirrels & Fox Squirrels but also Raccoon, Skunk, Coyote, etc...
I've gone through all of the calibers - .177, .22, .25 & .357
I have settled on my .25 Challenger Double Tube (80 ft lbs) and my 2540 Carbine (30 ft lbs) for my 'go to' hunting tools.
The .25 Challenger is for shooting my slugs and the 2540 Carbine is for JSB Kings.
My Challenger is heavy at around 10 pounds - my 2540 Carbine sits at 6 lbs but I carry it on a single point sling.
The on game performance of a 25 simply cannot be beat - it is a certified hammer! Almost everything I've ever shot is DRT.
My Recluses are just too big for anything smaller than coyotes.
Get the .25 cal in whatever floats your boat - the weight range of available ammo covers a very large array of game to hunt.
I've always been a single shot guy - even if my first hit is slightly off mark there's been plenty of time to reload and give a coup de gras.
If you miss altogether on your first shot you need to spend more time punching paper and reading the wind and distances.
;)
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Now that is what I would call trim, fit, and very attractive. And Ribbonstone, you look to be very fit too. ;D
I got to thinking about a picture of myself - there are plenty with my Judy, my son, my daughter-in-law, and the grandsons. Hundreds with the grandsons!!! But I did manage to locate one of me alone from about a year ago. I haven't changed much since then. Hee hee
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Not age. Bring on your 25 year old static, couch potato, butter ball.
If weight is an issue, then get some up-to-date hunting boots, clothes, take a dump before you head out, and cut down the excess b.s. you haul with you. Will safe 2-3 pounds, which is the difference between a 10.5 pound rifle and a 7.5 pound one.
;) Did you just call Mike a Butterball?
HAHAHAHAHA +1 on the dump ;D
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Picture is a couple of years old, but the most recent I have.
For me, it's the Discovery that gets most of the long walk hunting. Not that I can't tote a 10 pound rifle, but why bother where there is no benchrest to shoot from?
As for length...it's a piece of cake. If you want to experince a brush-catcher, try wandering the woods with a bow.
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Why do so many people tell prospective buyers to go for a .25 for hunting squirrel? I hunt tree squirrels and ground squirrels all the time out to 60 yds with my .177 and my .22. they are all DRT. you do not need a .25 for DRT results on tree squirrels all you need is to shoot accurately. I have a .25 and it is fun to hear that huge thwack when the pellet gets there but i have never thought that i needed it to get humane kills while hunting. I have 4 choices for you based on what you are using it for. Hatsan at44 not the long version in .177 or .22 and yes i do own both calibers in this gun and they both are very accurate and get the job done on squirrels to 60 yds with ease and is the farthest i have shot squirrels but feel quite confident results would be the same at 70 yds. Evanix rainstorm in .22 based on reviews and posts of other people who have them. It is going to be my next purchase. Sumatra 2500 carbine in .22 again based on reviews of owners and i have shot the full size 2500 in .25 and it was very powerful and accurate. Mrod in .25 and yes i just said you do not need .25 but i feel if you are set on an mrod the .25 gives you the best chance of having an accurate mrod from the box. What ever you choose accuracy over power is what gives you DRT results and all the airguns i listed have a reputation for being accurate and some are also very powerful even in .177 and .22.
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Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor. Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.
If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.
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My vote would be Disco Mine is a pleasure to shoot and if i cant kill with one shot then the shot isnt good. It is .22 with lots of power as is with a power adjuster
.This is me inside and out
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Tommy
Oh ya I guess i got one off the good barrels
Shooting flys at 20 yds
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Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor. Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.
If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.
Yes i already said that in my post. Some people do not recommend the .25 based on quality but rather on power as if that much power is needed for humanely killing a squirrel and that is what i do not understand.
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My vote would be Disco Mine is a pleasure to shoot and if i cant kill with one shot then the shot isnt good. It is .22 with lots of power as is with a power adjuster
.This is me inside and out
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Tommy
Oh ya I guess i got one off the good barrels
Shooting flys at 20 yds
Tommy, how did you get a pic of my neck - I have had 2 Disc fused a few years ago. Still going strong though, well maybe half strong lol
Me with my Wife a few years ago or less... Would have been better if the sun wasnt blinding me lol
(http://www.webexpressplus.com/extrafiles/me.jpg)
William
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Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor. Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.
If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.
Yes I already said that in my post. Some people do not recommend the .25 based on quality but rather on power as if that much power is needed for humanely killing a squirrel and that is what i do not understand.
The .25 or a heavy .22 domed pellet will be less affected by the wind at distance I own rifles in all 3 calibers in pcp and .22 and .177 springers the heavy pellets are best and there fore maybe the .25 is over kill for smaller game but if you are considering larger pests as well the .25 is a better choice when all else is equal such as fps because fpe will be greater with a heavy pellet traveling at the same speed down range . We all prefer to place accurate shots and have clean kills try out several of the rifles that interest you before buying that works out cheaper in the long run
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That's exactly why I suggested the .25 - all around a more useful caliber for a wider variety of applications.
Since everybody else is showing pics...here's me at 44 years old. 5'7" @ 240 lbs
Yes, I live at the gym when not at home or work.
(http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l83/mhossack/2013-01-06%2015.58.41-1.jpg) (http://s94.photobucket.com/user/mhossack/media/2013-01-06%2015.58.41-1.jpg.html)
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LMBO! You guys are killing me reading this! :)
All I do is hunt - mainly Ground Squirrels & Fox Squirrels but also Raccoon, Skunk, Coyote, etc...
I've gone through all of the calibers - .177, .22, .25 & .357
I have settled on my .25 Challenger Double Tube (80 ft lbs) and my 2540 Carbine (30 ft lbs) for my 'go to' hunting tools.
The .25 Challenger is for shooting my slugs and the 2540 Carbine is for JSB Kings.
My Challenger is heavy at around 10 pounds - my 2540 Carbine sits at 6 lbs but I carry it on a single point sling.
The on game performance of a 25 simply cannot be beat - it is a certified hammer! Almost everything I've ever shot is DRT.
My Recluses are just too big for anything smaller than coyotes.
Get the .25 cal in whatever floats your boat - the weight range of available ammo covers a very large array of game to hunt.
I've always been a single shot guy - even if my first hit is slightly off mark there's been plenty of time to reload and give a coup de gras.
If you miss altogether on your first shot you need to spend more time punching paper and reading the wind and distances.
;)
My one issue with single shots are paper punching actually. I love just shooting shot after shot not thinking about anything but shooting...although I usually wet away more pellets with a mag so...single shot it is! AirForce now which one...Condor SS or Escape SS
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Not because it's a .25 or that he needs the power, but because he was considering a S-rod and the "Crosman Barrel lottery" odds are way in your favor. Way too many unpleasant .22 barrels, better odds in .177, best odds in .25.
If you took the above out of the equation, would go for a .22.
Yes I already said that in my post. Some people do not recommend the .25 based on quality but rather on power as if that much power is needed for humanely killing a squirrel and that is what i do not understand.
The .25 or a heavy .22 domed pellet will be less affected by the wind at distance I own rifles in all 3 calibers in pcp and .22 and .177 springers the heavy pellets are best and there fore maybe the .25 is over kill for smaller game but if you are considering larger pests as well the .25 is a better choice when all else is equal such as fps because fpe will be greater with a heavy pellet traveling at the same speed down range . We all prefer to place accurate shots and have clean kills try out several of the rifles that interest you before buying that works out cheaper in the long run
Yes that is true a heavier projectile traveling the same speed or faster than the lighter one will have its advantages for drop and wind drift. Yes the .25 is nice when you are hunting small and medium to large size animals and by large i mean coons and rock chuck size not pigs or larger as that is another topic ;D But what the op is wanting advice on is small game hunting mostly squirrels @ ranges of 30 - 40 yds in heavy forest settings. So it sounds as tho no larger animals and @ 30 - 40 yds in thicker cover. I dont believe the .25 will give any advantage over the .22. I really dont even consider the drift and drop as part of the deciding factor anyway at least within 50 yds because it still boils down to accuracy. If you cannot accurately shoot a .22 for clean kills then you will do marginally better with a .25. It has been argued over and over that larger calibers do not make up for poor accuracy.
Think about the comment poor accuracy. I define poor accuracy as not only having problems with placing the shot where it should go under calm conditions but also not being able to figure out the range accurately to allow for proper drop compensation or not being able to figure out compensation for wind drift. If you cannot get the drop correct with a .22 i doubt you will with a .25 since it will still suffer from an arc trajectory. If you cannot guesstimate the wind very good and get poor hits with a .22 then you will still get poor hits with a .25 as it will also be affected by drift.
5 mph crosswind at 90 degrees
.25 king 25.4 gr. 868 fps: wind drift @ 40 yds 0.92" Drop @ 40 yds with a 30 yd zero 0.51"
.22 jsb heavy 18.0 gr. 868 fps: Wind drift @ 40 yds 1.41" Drop @ 40 yds with a 30 yd zero 0.61"
So with a .25 at the same velocity as a .22 both using very popular pellets for the calibers and using ranges the op will be hunting in the .25 beats the .22 by only .5" in wind drift at 40 yds. The .25 only beats the .22 in drop by .10" at 40 yds. I do not see where the .25 atleast in the conditions the op will be using this airgun to hunt with will be any kind of advantage that will make for an easier humane kill.
I then put in a 15 mph crosswind and the difference at 40 yds was still only 1.5" inches less drift for the .25. The .25 would be drifting almost 3" at 40 yds with a 15 mph crosswind so you would have to adjust for it and would not allow for a dead hold in that condition. So if the shooter was using the .25 in 15 mph crosswinds and shooting at 40 yds they would still have to accurately dope for the wind for a clean kill. I dont consider a gut shot a clean kill no matter what you shoot it with and that might be a little to stringent but i was raised that when shooting game the only two shots you make are a heart and lung or a head shot for a clean fast kill with out causing meat to be lost due to contamination or lost game. Stretch the distance out to 100 yds and then you get a very different story but the op stated a max of 40 yds and within 40 yds i do not see the .25 beating the .22 enough in drift and drop to make that the deciding factor for an airgun.
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C'mon man...you KNOW once the air gun bug has bitten and the hunting addiction begins he will want to hunt more things than just squirrels.
Get the Condor SS in .25 - if that's just too much for your bushytails just buy a .22 barrel for them...that way you ALWAYS have that quarter bore for when the need/mood arises.
I love my big bore Recluses...I don't like pumping like a madman with my Hill Mk3 though!
My 500cc Recluse takes 340 strokes to pump it up from 1200 psi = No Fun!
I do get 10 full power shots and 10 use able shots but you get my drift.
I have found that for squirrel hunting having 20 shots before refill is usually more than adequate for a walk in the woods.
That's just me but a point to consider when looking at tank volume.
I forgot to add - my 37 grain Spitzer Hollow Point driven out of a Condor SS will give a fantastic BC and low wind drift...with a .22 cal you're stuck with diabolo style skirted pellets.
NOT SO with a .25 cal
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C'mon man...you KNOW once the air gun bug has bitten and the hunting addiction begins he will want to hunt more things than just squirrels.
Get the Condor SS in .25 - if that's just too much for your bushytails just buy a .22 barrel for them...that way you ALWAYS have that quarter bore for when the need/mood arises.
I love my big bore Recluses...I don't like pumping like a madman with my Hill Mk3 though!
My 500cc Recluse takes 340 strokes to pump it up from 1200 psi = No Fun!
I do get 10 full power shots and 10 use able shots but you get my drift.
I have found that for squirrel hunting having 20 shots before refill is usually more than adequate for a walk in the woods.
That's just me but a point to consider when looking at tank volume.
I forgot to add - my 37 grain Spitzer Hollow Point driven out of a Condor SS will give a fantastic BC and low wind drift...with a .22 cal you're stuck with diabolo style skirted pellets.
NOT SO with a .25 cal
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No doubts there. I also love the bigger heavy hitters and that is why i have owned 3 different .25 airguns. .25 mrod, .25 at44 long and a condor ss .25. The noise of the .25 hitting something always puts a smile on my face. I find my higher power .22 puts a smile on my face with its impact also but it is not quite as loud as my .25 is ;D Mike it sounds like you need to get a tank so you can start shooting those recluses more ;)
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I've got my eye on a Shoebox Freedom 8 + Guppy but first things first...I'm investing $5k into full blown production equipment for my slugs.
I want them available as a stocked shelf item at your favorite places to buy pellets!
;)
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You wanna a Lightweight .25 "Hunter Hammer" but that can be a backyard plinker too ?
.25 Sumatra Carbine,...nuff said !
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I've got my eye on a Shoebox Freedom 8 + Guppy but first things first...I'm investing $5k into full blown production equipment for my slugs.
I want them available as a stocked shelf item at your favorite places to buy pellets!
;)
Now that's what I'm talking about, I am headed to the nearest outdoor and sports store with my camping gear to be the first in line for my share of Rat Sniper Premium 37 grain spitzer's, I think My Mrod is in love ;D
William
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.22 is all you need for what you say you want to hunt. Have you looked at the Brocock Contour XL?
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LMBO! You guys are killing me reading this! :)
All I do is hunt - mainly Ground Squirrels & Fox Squirrels but also Raccoon, Skunk, Coyote, etc...
I've gone through all of the calibers - .177, .22, .25 & .357
I have settled on my .25 Challenger Double Tube (80 ft lbs) and my 2540 Carbine (30 ft lbs) for my 'go to' hunting tools.
The .25 Challenger is for shooting my slugs and the 2540 Carbine is for JSB Kings.
My Challenger is heavy at around 10 pounds - my 2540 Carbine sits at 6 lbs but I carry it on a single point sling.
The on game performance of a 25 simply cannot be beat - it is a certified hammer! Almost everything I've ever shot is DRT.
My Recluses are just too big for anything smaller than coyotes.
Get the .25 cal in whatever floats your boat - the weight range of available ammo covers a very large array of game to hunt.
I've always been a single shot guy - even if my first hit is slightly off mark there's been plenty of time to reload and give a coup de gras.
If you miss altogether on your first shot you need to spend more time punching paper and reading the wind and distances.
;)
My one issue with single shots are paper punching actually. I love just shooting shot after shot not thinking about anything but shooting...although I usually wet away more pellets with a mag so...single shot it is! AirForce now which one...Condor SS or Escape SS
Condor SS---Escape is basically a scaled down Condor with a Talon P bottle. For better shot count---Condor. Heck, better off getting a Talon P instead of an Escape. Or do what I want to do and get a Talon frame with the High Flow valve, then you have basically an Escape. At R&L it will be 587.50 for a Talon with the spin lock tank and High flow valve with a striker weight. 609.25 for the Talon SS with the spin lock and high flow valve, no striker weight. For the Escape UL, SS, and regular Escape---579.50-617.50-627.00---with the Talon P bottle. The Escape looks nice and is powerful, but again it's just a Talon with the Talon P bottle running the high flow valve. It weighs 4.25lbs while the Talon is 5.5lbs.
Just my Lincolns x 2.
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LMBO! You guys are killing me reading this! :)
All I do is hunt - mainly Ground Squirrels & Fox Squirrels but also Raccoon, Skunk, Coyote, etc...
I've gone through all of the calibers - .177, .22, .25 & .357
I have settled on my .25 Challenger Double Tube (80 ft lbs) and my 2540 Carbine (30 ft lbs) for my 'go to' hunting tools.
The .25 Challenger is for shooting my slugs and the 2540 Carbine is for JSB Kings.
My Challenger is heavy at around 10 pounds - my 2540 Carbine sits at 6 lbs but I carry it on a single point sling.
The on game performance of a 25 simply cannot be beat - it is a certified hammer! Almost everything I've ever shot is DRT.
My Recluses are just too big for anything smaller than coyotes.
Get the .25 cal in whatever floats your boat - the weight range of available ammo covers a very large array of game to hunt.
I've always been a single shot guy - even if my first hit is slightly off mark there's been plenty of time to reload and give a coup de gras.
If you miss altogether on your first shot you need to spend more time punching paper and reading the wind and distances.
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My one issue with single shots are paper punching actually. I love just shooting shot after shot not thinking about anything but shooting...although I usually wet away more pellets with a mag so...single shot it is! AirForce now which one...Condor SS or Escape SS
Condor SS---Escape is basically a scaled down Condor with a Talon P bottle. For better shot count---Condor. Heck, better off getting a Talon P instead of an Escape. Or do what I want to do and get a Talon frame with the High Flow valve, then you have basically an Escape. At R&L it will be 587.50 for a Talon with the spin lock tank and High flow valve with a striker weight. 609.25 for the Talon SS with the spin lock and high flow valve, no striker weight. For the Escape UL, SS, and regular Escape---579.50-617.50-627.00---with the Talon P bottle. The Escape looks nice and is powerful, but again it's just a Talon with the Talon P bottle running the high flow valve. It weighs 4.25lbs while the Talon is 5.5lbs.
Just my Lincolns x 2.
Well Talon P bottle is fine by me! Again I'm using a hand pump for field work and just running off of a CO2 tank for backyard plinkin. I would buy the high flow valve and the price point on the Escape SS is pretty nice to me.