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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: yak on July 24, 2014, 07:55:50 AM
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I see a lot of ads for refurbished airguns(I read one here yesterday from Crosman). I have considered ordering a refurbished gun a few times, but have concerns.
Is it better to bite the bullet, so to speak, and buy new , or are refurbished airguns, by reputable companies a good deal..
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I just found the answer on a prior post on this site, so disregard my post, on refurbished airguns. I guess I should have researched the site before I asked
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I will answer anyways. Some people have great experience with refurbs, some don't. I do not have much luck so I will stick with new or buy here on the classifieds. If you by used ask what the magic pellet it. If they reply it is pellet picky, or I don't know it is time to keep looking. JMHO
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Factory refurbished generally come with a factory warranty.
And one important thing to remember. Not ALL items being sold as refurbished ever had any defects or issues in the first place. If an item is sold that the package did not contain everything that was supposed to have shipped with, they get returned. It may have been simply an owner's manual missing. But these returns cannot be sold as new. Personally I'd buy refurbs all day. :)
If there is an issues with a factory refurbished, just return it for another.
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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I just bought a refurbished sumatra from pyramid air as far as i can tell its a brand new rifle I've always had good luck with refurbished guns from them
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Factory refurbished generally come with a factory warranty.
And one important thing to remember. Not ALL items being sold as refurbished ever had any defects or issues in the first place. If an item is sold that the package did not contain everything that was supposed to have shipped with, they get returned. It may have been simply an owner's manual missing. But these returns cannot be sold as new. Personally I'd buy refurbs all day. :)
If there is an issues with a factory refurbished, just return it for another.
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Above is great advice that I live by. Buy from a trusted company that does returns new or refurbished.
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I always buy refurbs. Most of my air guns are refurbs as my TV, computers, etc. ;D ;D ;D
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It's not only true, what ezman604 said, but a LOT of times, a refurb product will have " global" issue's of said product addressed already..... This especially true in the case of certain electronics.... Especially LCD's...( I am an engineer for a large electronics firm)....
DJ
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In 2012, Christmas, my son bought me a Crosman 357/6. I shot 1 cart through it and put it away for a while. Put cart #2 in, shot about 1/2 of it, put it away. The next day got it out to shoot and all of the gas had leaked out. Put it away. Got it out about 2mo later, install cart #3 and PSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSST. the whole cart emptied. Last mounth I bought a Vigilante refurbished from AGD for $39.78 shipped. I have 6 carts through it so far and still going strong. My 30 day warranty is up today. Might just have to get it out later and put another cart through it. YES! Refurb is the way to go. IMO. :P :P
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Many refurbs are just returns that someone bought and have returned because they didn't like it or just wanted to try it out...out of all the rifles I tested for the return department at PA only 3 or 4 out of a hundred had an actual problem that needed to be attended too....
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Hey Yak,
I bought a refurb from Rick Eutsler last Sunday. (Airgunproshop.com) I got to say, Rick is a GREAT GUY to work with.
I left him a message and he called me back as he was going thru a fast food drive in buying his family supper.
His words to me were: All the refurbs he sells are 30 day returns from P.A. or Air Gun Depot.
He went on to say that people get a big Hatsan PCP and realize how loud it was or that it was to hard to pump and so on.
He also said that any guns with dents and scrapes Hatsan tears down for parts. They only send out like new guns with the same stuff that their PCPs come with new. HATSAN GIVES 90 DAY WARRANTY AND about a $200 discount on the BT65 Elite. The Elite was their top of the line before the Galation. Be advised, the Elite is being dropped and not going to get the QE "quiet energy" as I understand.
I hope to receive it tomorrow,
NOW THIS IS WHAT MAKES RICK GREAT WITH CS.
I had one other gun at Hatsan warranty in Arksnsas. I had a request in for a new front red Truglo for another gun.
RICK CALLED HATSAN: they had my warranty gun shipped out in 2 days days
they sent the Truglo filiment for other gun also.
I will know exactly what my refurb gun is like hopefully tomorrow.
Well, I have mine now. •••It had the original stock and plastic case. Both very good condition. ◇◇◇◇The action, barrel, trigger, clips, and sling were "brand new" ◆◆◆◆Hatsan threw in a free clip and a free tin of .25 pellets.◆◆◆◆
☆☆☆☆☆☆$486.00; for a BT65 Elite, how could I not be happy? ★★★★★★
Hope this helps you guys,
Gator
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I also have a refurb Hatsan, the at44,now its about 2 months since i got it and it is still like new. I would always buy refurbs and if it was a warranty I don't see why not buying it.
Pablo.
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YAK, What Mike (mikeiniowa) posted, bears a lot of the truth surrounding "refurbished rifles". They get returned for various reasons. I'd like to see the ratio that Mike saw that were perfectly fine...but were "Magnum" power breakbarrel rifles, in a "Lightweight" format. Tough combination for the new shooter, for sure ;)
I'll add that when you buy low priced guns, don't get your expectations too high. There are a few good ones, but few....
There's a reason that they only cost $150.00 new. A $300.00 breakbarrel air rifle is a big difference. Just like everything in this world...
"You don't get "Something" for Nothing.
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Great info. Thanx to all..
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SOOO..... It was YOU Gatorproof, that caused those BT65 Elites to become sold out, before I could get my hands on one!!!! ;)
DJ
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Well, if the refurb is a LOT cheaper, I'd buy it, but if it's just a few bucks, I'd go with new.
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Well, if the refurb is a LOT cheaper, I'd buy it, but if it's just a few bucks, I'd go with new.
What is a "LOT". I have seen times in my life where $20 was a lot of money, and other times in my life where I just gave away $200 for a person in need. So a "LOT" can be different things to different people at different times in their lives. :) Right now $60 is a lot, that is why I am considering a refurbished R9.
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When I'm fortunate enough to get any Refurbs from Crosman I list them on the GTA. The last batch of Disco Refurbs sold for $175 shipped. Each one receives a 24 hour pressure test and once the test is complete it gets shot over my Chrony. A complete shot string with the Chrony Printout is included with the gun.
If any fail the pressure test they get taken apart and new O rings are installed and tested again. Being an Authorized Crosman Service Center makes it so that the 30 day Crosman Refurb warrantee is not voided.
If any do not do as expected over the Chrony I find the problem and fix it.
Scratches, nicks or any other appearance issues are shipped as is.
Norm
Discos R Us
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It's a gamble but if you buy from someone like PA it should be safe. I know a guy that bought a RWS34 from PA and it was a spectacular example if that rifle. One day it was super windy (I mean really windy) and he called me and said his gun was messed up. I went to his aid and explained to him it was all wind. The next morning he returned it back to PA because his 30 days was not up. I wish I would have known as I would have bought it. Somebody got a darn good shooting rifle. So you never know.
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Ok to put the Hatsan BT65 in purspective. P.A. sells it for $669.99, I paid $485.×× and .99 cents shipping,
I received the plastic case, the sling, the air prop, allen L keys, the key to raise the comb and slide out the rear butt end the butt plate, 3 clips plus a extra clip so total of 4 clips and a free tin of Hatsan pellets. 19.1g 200ct. According to the color of the tape on the tin of pellets they are made by H&N,.oh and a sling.(according to Rick Eustler airgunproshop.com, all Hatsans
Refurbs are 30 day peroid returns from ? P.A or Air Gun Depot. All scratched and dents are torn down for parts. My plastic case has a very slight worn spot, but the gun had what looked like a new clip breech that had never had a clip thru it. Spotless.
If big problem, Rick will jump in and ship the gun To him and he makes it right,
Great guy to buy from.
I added and bought 3 more clips, and extra seal kit . $540 with extra options I bought,
Yes buddy I am sorry, I did buy the last one, but IF I were you wait for a .25cal or .22 Galation it is a much more refined rifle and well worth the extra dough.
Keep an eye on Air gun depot.Look deep for them as I saw a .22 last week.
I bought a .25 Galation for $699.99 and got 3 clips, a trigger lock, all the extra seals, prob, allen L , a sling, an air stripper, an extra air ank 255cc ($169 ) and a case. That was a heck of a buy.
I added 4 extra clips which hold 13 .25 pellets.
So I now own 4**** 255cc tanks, like having a1020cc tank, 8 .22 clips 10 round with a 230cc tank, 7 clips .25holding 13 round each and 7*** .25 clips that hold 9... .25 rounds.
So I can get away from my two 80cf tanks and still have a pretty long day of shooting in the woods
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right now I am helping what bit I can with my oldest Daughter Senior year of a math major. so saving $14 dollars on a daisy 880 was worth doing.
To bad U.P.S. killed it and then Midway made me pay shipping back to them they received it Wednesday and I still have not received my refund...
So If you do do the refurb thing make sure they have good customer service first...
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i just purchased a 125 sniper vortex from pro airguns shop and it wasn't a real gem for sure i got it Thursday and just tore it apart to find a big old chunk out of the piston seal, the baffle in the moderator was clipped and it appeared someone had removed the end cap and last but not least the small screw on the other end of the pivot bolt(sling attachment) was half stripped and was a Pia to get out. doesn't seem like it was checked out to well by hatsan tech dept. not really a big deal just wish it came with an extra seal so i didn't have to wait for pa to send me 1. also the gun came with no scope and no bipod but from what i understand there very low buget anyway. I just hope that when i get it back together it was worth it
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I was looking hard at the R9 that Pyramyd Air has, but instead I paid $600 on my credit card. I was expecting a $250 phone bill that turned out to be $400 because my youngest got his first phone and had pro rate and start up fees. Now I have to wait two weeks to buy the R1, R9, or HW50. That is cool because it gives me more research time to check out the Refurbished rifles from PA. :)
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i just purchased a 125 sniper vortex from pro airguns shop and it wasn't a real gem for sure i got it Thursday and just tore it apart to find a big old chunk out of the piston seal, the baffle in the moderator was clipped and it appeared someone had removed the end cap and last but not least the small screw on the other end of the pivot bolt(sling attachment) was half stripped and was a Pia to get out. doesn't seem like it was checked out to well by hatsan tech dept. not really a big deal just wish it came with an extra seal so i didn't have to wait for pa to send me 1. also the gun came with no scope and no bipod but from what i understand there very low buget anyway. I just hope that when i get it back together it was worth it
A fellow airgunner let us know about your post concerning the Refurbished Hatsan rifle that you received. First thing, please look at the packaging for a colored dot. It will be a small neon green, orange, pink or yellow dot about 1/2" diameter. Please email us with the information as it will allow us to determine the last person to handle your rifle. This will help us address things internally with the refurbishing process. Now, regarding the issues you found. Please note that all the refurbished guns come with a 90 day warranty that covers manufacturer's defects. If someone gets one our refurbished guns and it develops an issue in those 90 days, Hatsan will fix or replace the rifle under the same process as their new gun warranty service. However, if you open up the gun, you void any and all warranties.
Refurbished guns are tested for functionality and performance. They are not checked internally as a general rule. If they fail to perform correctly, then the internals are checked and repaired. We also offer the bullet proof service which is essentially a factory tune which also extends the warranty to 12 months. This is the best option if you want an airgun that performs better-than-new.
With regards to the cosmetic issues, these are refurbished airguns that have been handled. Some have been handled a little, some have been handled a lot. A list of what you may encounter for cosmetic issues is clearly laid out on our site. So long as these issues don't impact performance or function, they may exist and are not warranty related issues. Lastly, please note that all the product pages clearly state that the guns ship without accessories such as the scope and bi-pod. The exception are our refurbished PCPs which include all the standard accessories you would receive with a new Hatsan PCP.
We will be updating the website shortly to better articulate this information. If you have any further questions, please use the "contact us" form at airgunproshop.com or email us directly at service @ airgunproshop.com.
Regards,
Service @ Airgun Pro Shop, LLC.
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^^^ Now THAT is just too cool!!!
Big thumbs up!!
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I have been doing a ton of research on refurbs these past few days and here's what I have learned:
Hatsan really strives to make the Customer happy, no doubt about it!
I agree 110% with what ezman (Dave) wrote!
I think it is not wise to spend an extra 200.00-300.00, when you can get a refurb that is practically new in itself for much less, and in most cases, all bugs have been worked out, if there were any to begin with!
Be sure it is from reputable Dealer!
Even if only has a 90-day warranty, if something is majorly wrong with the product, you'd think you would know within the 90-day period. That being said, if the refurb comes with a 90-day warranty or I know if something breaks or does not work on it, the Dealer will simply send me another one and I'm saving 200.00, 300.00 or possibly more, I can live without the additional 3-to-9 months of warranty.
I'm "bent" for a Hatsan product refurb and fortunately for me, Hatsan has a stand-up Guy representing their refurbs, so I will save money with the utmost confidence when I get my Hatsan!
Hope you make the choice that works best for you! :D
Best Regards,
AGW.