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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => Turkish AirGun Gate => Topic started by: Pappywith4 on July 04, 2014, 10:39:33 PM
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Would everyone who shoots .25 kindly post your rifle and your pellet of choice?
Thanks in advance. Pappywith4 ;D
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If you mean 75 feet, JSB Exact Quarter Bore is great in my Patriot.
Never shot it at 750 feet. ;)
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Sorry I didn't finish
Lol. I meant fps. Thank you for replying
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I thought so. :D
My answer still stands though.
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It depends on the barrel as every one is different but it may be safe to say the top 3 most accurate .25 pellets usually are (no particular order)- JSB Kings, H&N Barracuda's/Beeman Kodiaks, Crosman Domed.
My .25 Condor loves the Barracuda's over Kings at any usable speed. Great for me and my uses as the Kings are pretty light..
Edit: Might be safe to assume JSB Kings are usually the best shooting for .25's... Just not mine ;D
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JSB Exact Kings in all my quarterbore barrels.... even at speeds of just over 1000 fps.... My Hatsan will put them into dimes at 50 yards....
Bob
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Hey Pastor John,
Happy 4th to you and yours, I only have two .25 cal Hatsans. My break barrel nitro piston (Hatsan 125 TH) shoots 25.4 JSB or AAs
About 650fps. However, I switched down to H&N FFT 19.1g pellets because the shoot everyday average of 745fps. The funny thing is no matter if that gun shoots 25, 4g or 19.1 they both shoot at 24.5 fpe. So with that said, I in my alledged wisdom choose to shoot the 19.1g because they have the same smacking power as the 25.4g but you get that extra 100fps faster to the target and they cost less.
Had to check my log book to see what my Galation .25 spins out, 822fps and splats at 39.02fpe with 25. 4 JSB or 818fps with the AA
At 37.83fpe. Keep in mind that gun has a bad air cylinder and is at Hatsan service for repair. But the strange thing is the 65 shots per fill.
I know they say 40 shots per fill at Hatsan. So I don't know where those extra 25 shots come from. The first day I got 65 shots, the last day I got 71 shots. The sad thing is when I get it back it probably will be shooting 40 shots, boo hiss.,
But unlike the Mrod, I can take my spare cylinder and shoot double shot limits on an outing. That is enough for 10, 13 pellet clips. 130 total shots against Mrods 1 what 10 round clip. Mrod carries 215cc and my Galation carries 2 255cc tubes. No offence Mrod owners. They are great guns if you teather them to your bottle.
Be Well Paster John
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Thanks Gator. I am thinking of trading my .22 barrel for a .25! So that's why I am curious! I can get more punch at distance out of the .25 about 10 fpe more out of my sniper vortex if it does 750 as posted! Lol
Happy fourth to you and your family also and thanks!
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Hi Pastor John,
A very happy 4th to you, I am now the proud owner of four(4) .25 Hatsans and all I feed them is the JSB Kings 25.4 gr., although I am still breaking in the PCPs (one of them likes the Barracudas as much as the JSB Kings). As for the springers, I found that the energy levels stayed about the same between the .22 and the .25, with the .22 having a higher velocity. I use a heavier pellet in the (tuned)135 .22 (18.13 gr JSB) and am averaging a shade over 900 fps while my (untuned) factory 135 .25 with JSB 25.4 gr is averaging 746 fps. I have shot both out to 100+ yards to dispatch "red ears" and have found that they both hit hard and do the job with close to the same POA (.22 gets there a little quicker). I just like the .25s as the pellets are easier to handle. Good luck with the barrel change and get the 19" barrel instead of the Sniper barrel if you can as you will get a higher velocity with the longer barrel on your Sniper body (Sniper spring maxed out by the factory).
Oh, and my (tuned) Sniper 125 .25 is averaging 725 fps with JSB Kings 25.4 gr, 29.65 fpe. And it has accounted for its share of "red ears" and snakes!
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Happy 4th to you also! When I say that the. .25 has more fpe that's judo according to chairgun pro.
I know real world shots can be close by appearances but probably wouldn't show up till you shot coyote or fox in the head at fifty yds or so! Thanks for your input!
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"""""""Happy 4th to you also! When I say that the. .25 has more fpe that's judo according to chairgun pro.I know real world shots can be close by appearances but probably wouldn't show up till you shot coyote or fox in the head at fifty yds or so! Thanks """""""
Hey Pastor John,
This is just me and my advise is far from seasoned. With that said, I personally would be feeling a touch guilty popping a Coyote at that distance with 25fpe "Stock" break barrel.
If our daily storms ever let up and I can mow my 50 yard lane I will do a pentration check with my 125 TH Nitro Piston. I get these great 1" plywood 3 ft 6" remains from a guy who builds Orange/Citrus field picking transport bins. The make great target backings and last for a month or more of pellets passing through them from my PCPs.
My 125 is now, because it is broken in, seems to be burying ammo deeper or perhaps some may be passing through. If they now do pass through at 50 yards, then I would think they would be humane for larger critters.
I need to mow because the pasture grows seeming a 1/2" per day. Which hides those nasty Rattle Snakes. I hate hate hate snakes. I am such a wuz I get chills seeming them pop up in a photo. It goes away if I see one in my scope, lol.
I don't hunt ###EXCEPT### for Rattlers and Cotton Mouth. And saddly Armidillo, who dig up out lawns and I can't afford to step in one of their holes. With 12 screws and a plate in left ankle and 10 screws and a plate in my right ankle, I don't think there is room for any more hardware. I have a power burner Remington .22lr with a streamlight and a green laser and a 30 round banana magazine, custom configuration used exclusively for Armadillo.
I guess I only hunt for self defense. Love to rip up that paper though, "big smile".
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Sorry Pastor John,
That last photo was my 125 TH with UTG 200 Lumen lite and green laser. With that Walmart
CP 4x16x40 scope this thing weighs 12lbs EZ. I was trying to show my Armidillo power burner.
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I am from south Louisiana and grew up hunting as a kid! From my experience I wouldn't take the shot without it being behind the ear and it would drop like a lite was turned off! I shot a 500 lb hog with a .22
Right behind the ear and it looked like his legs broke at one time he hit the ground so fast! That was with a pistole if it would have been a rifle it would have more knock down power! So I am only taking shots I know would drop any animal including squirrels or rabbits. I learned the hard way to drop them or leave them!
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Pastor John,
A 500lb hog with a .22 pistol. You were a brave kid. Now was that a .22LR or an old short? Lol
Gator
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Pastor John,
I just looked at your current Hatsan. Have you looked at shooting the Kodiak 21.14g heavy .22 rounds.
I shoot those in my AT44w-10 .22 pcp. They slow that little mini monster down for 25 yard groups like no other pellets that I have tried. When I go to 50 yards she likes the JSB 18.xx
But you might ask and see if anyone has cronied your model with a Kodiak 21.14. Might save you the hassel of the barrel change? I guess some math wiz might give you a close guess but the actual test might be more of a sure thing answer.
PJ, I just looked at a calculator showing if you shot a 21/22g in your gun and it drops your fps to SAY 750fps your current setup would be putting out about 26fpe.
Sam,
Up the page is hinting at the same thing. I think if I were in your shoes, Sir, I would buy a tin of heavy pellets and give them a try. If you don't have access to a crony maybe try a pentration test on a piece of 3/4" plywood or OSB.?
Just a thought, Gator
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Pastor John,
Just got to thinking about the math. If you shoot the 21.14g and say that drops your .22 down to 750fps, the calculator shows about 26fpe. I am no way any kind of AG guru, but buddy, I think I would buy a $9.00 tin of 21-22g pellets and if you don't have a crony, shoot them into a wood test substance. It just seems like it would maybe do the "cheap trick" for ya.
Good luck, Gator
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John, my Umarex Octane shoots Field Target Trophy 19.91 at about 775 fps and loves them. It does well with JSB 25 grain as well, but the FTT shoot a bit flatter and just as accurate.
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My Mrod will shoot dimes at 55 yards if i do my part, at any FPS between 740 or 860 FPS average using JSB 25.4 Grain exacts. The 27.8 Benjamin's work well also just a little bit slower.
My modded Discovery with regulator set at 1800 PSI will shoot the JSB 22 cal. 25.4 grains at 740 FPS and 1/2" groups at 50 yards. Thats around 30 FPE.
The .25 cals all seem to have way better barrels for accuracy from what I have seen in a lot of posts on the net.
William
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I, too, have had very good results with the JSB Kings 25.4 grain pellets in all my Hatsan rifles but in particular my 125th springer likes the Hatsan Vortex pellets. They are pretty light at 19.91 grains but shoot flat and accurate. They really do seem made for the .25 caliber Hatsan springers, the pellets have much less pellet fit problems than some of the other brands in my 125, I have no definetive proof that these are the pellets Hatsan uses to test their rifles but I assume they are since velocity wise I can shoot in the 750 fps range with these only out of my springer. Not sure why Pyramyd Air doesn't carry them, but Airgun Depot does.
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John, my Umarex Octane shoots Field Target Trophy 19.91 at about 775 fps and loves them. It does well with JSB 25 grain as well, but the FTT shoot a bit flatter and just as accurate.
. What did you do to your octane to get those figures? That is real good speed!
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The only thing I did to the Octane was swap the .22 barrel with a .25 barrel. The new barrel is a couple inches longer than the stock .22 and that may add some fps. The swap was fairly easy and inexpensive.
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Howdy PJ,
Could not sleep again last night took the 125 out to shoot off my deck rigging. I could hardy see a new 8" Dirty Bird reactive target, fired 2 pellets and quit.
Went back out this afternoon and saw my 2 hits from last night, they were great considing I could not see the target. Raised him up today and still couldn't see the target. My scope was smeared and fogging from 99% humidity.
Ok I was shooting 19.1 H&N FTT. I shot 2 decent hits and then 3 shots I could not see on the reactive target. Since it is nearly impossible to miss seeing hits on those targets I could not figure out where those pellets went. I shoot 30 yards and rifle height is about 11 feet and target about 30".
I walked out to target and found 3 .25 19.q pellets buried in the bulleye.
I have never had that happen with the 125 before. I shot a total of 16 shoots, 8 in one fairly tight bulleyes hole.(.75ish) Found 8 more in one hole a inch to the 8 o'clock.
Feeling like Wild Bill Cody, I switched over to JSB 25.4g. Big mistake, they all dropped a good 2 inches to 6 o'clock. Couple same distance out to the 8 o'clock. So I held 1 mildot over and it went 2 inches high, closed up the tin. I shot 4 more 19.1 with 3 in the paint and 1 to 3 o'clock about 3/4".
So my official answer to your question is my Hatsan 125 TH Nitro Piston .25 loves 19.q and hates 25.4g.
Be Well,
Gator
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What if you zeroed the heavier pellets. How would it be on accuracy?
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I zeroed my .25 with the NPSS at 60 yards with the JSB. I have to hold a bit high to go to 75 yards.
The H&N's at 19 or so hit dead center with nearly no hold over at 75 yards.
Both seem as accurate but the H&N's just get there a tad faster.
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Hey are you still thinking about trading barrels?
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Yes. I have not been home to get things shipped to you as planned.
I travel ALOT for my Demo work and it may be another 2 or 3 weeks before I get home.
I have to roll for the jobs at a moments notice so it gets crazy at times.
I did manage to fly up to the Islands for our 8th Anniversary and meet my Wife for an over nite visit.
:D
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Ok jeff I am in no hurry ! When ever you get ready we will check it out!
I know that I am going to tear down mine again and replace the seal, I have another one coming from ARH and one from PA! My rifle is accurate when the pressure is up but it is all over the place when it isn't!
So I am not shooting it until I do it! Don't worry about your work I understand 100%
I wish I could still work and make a good living! Take care Jeff and Happy Anniversary
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I should have a stand in Supervisor on this job in the next few days. (At lest that's the plan)
I can then go home for a few days since it's only 2 hours away for this job.
As to the barrel and fit of pellets you asked about?
The H&N's seem to fit a tad tighter then the JSB's but both hit the neck of a Beer bottle at 75 yards.
I like the H&N's as they do hit the 700+ FPS where the JSB's don't with the Nitro Piston in my Gun.
I do have a new Piston to try but I'd like to switch to .22 since I only shoot bottles.
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.22 is a lot more economical than .25. I wouldn't trade my .25 for anything and i darn sure would never re-barrel it, but my next air rifle will be a .22 cal. Think about it this way- a 350 ct tin of jsb exacts cost the same as 2 500-ct tins of .22 premier domes, and a couple dollars more than one 500 ct tin of good .22 jsb jumbo heavies. Apples to apples- 200 .25 benji domes is a dollar or two more than 500 .22 premier domes. And you can't find .25 on store shelves. There are only a couple of pellets that can really compete with the mid-to heavy-weight .25 domes for retained energy if your gun can push them to around 700 or so feet per second, but inside 50 yards the difference on ballistic coefficient really isn't enough to make a lot of difference with most .22 dome pellets. I do think the momentum and wound channel of the .25 gives it a distinct advantage when hunting even if the .22 matches it with retained energy. If you shoot every day, especially if you only have one air rifle, you probably ought to have a decent .22 air rifle. But if you only get out on weekends if you're lucky snd you mostly just hunt, why not a .25? I can't shoot in the back yard, so I am a weekend only guy if thT and my 4 tins of kings will probably last 6 months to a year. So being a .25 cal lover works for me.
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One thing I love about the .25? Doing it at long range.
Reaching out there to 70+ yards with the Hatsan .25 Magnum?
And hitting what your aiming at?
Still one of my biggest thrills.
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I guess you are right about the cost factor! So privateer thank you for your offer I will keep the .22!
I do appreciate the fact that you were willing to trade me just to satisfy my curiosity !
I know that what I have is deadly accurate to 40 yds because that's the farthest I have shot!
And most likely all I will ever shoot a squirrel ? Now rabbits you have to reach out but I have confidence in my form and ability! Thanks again privateer Pappywith4.
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.25 M-Rod shoots JSB Kings 25.4 grain at 800 fps so well I see no point in trying other pellets 8).
At 50 yards, one small ragged hole. Over the 4th weekend, my Dad and older brother were shooting empty 12 ga. shotgun shells off the wood pile at 45 yards.
BZ
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Hey PJ,
1) I don't want to waste the ammo to rezero. The 19 H&Ns are made for my 125.
I'll save both my JSB 25.4 and my AA 25, 4 for my Galation .25 PCP.
It is off to the Hatsan Hospital getting new air cylinder and hammer parts. I need those 25, 4s for him when he gets home.
He is the only one of my guns that has placed 5 rounds (AA 25, 4) in the exact same hole at 30 yards. I save the paper and I can set a pellet in that hole and no day light.
2) I still am hoping you will try a 21/22g .22 in your gun. It will have the same fpe as a .25 for just the cost of a tin of pellets.
3) our other buddy is right, I didn't do the dollars and sense, but my last order of .25 pellets 8 tins was like $96.
4) I don't scare myself by adding up ammo costs, and I now I need .22 ammo for 4 Kodiak 21.14 and 4 JSB 18, xx I should have ordered over the 4th but I bought that Hawke Eclipse 6x24x50 scope at about $100 off. P.A. never discounts Hawkes.
So I try to live on my allowance SS, and not touch my other investments. It is hard being on a fixed income after all those years of the strong income. But common sense kicks in when necessary, lol. Or I would buy all the guns and goodies in one week and have no toys to look forward too, lol
Be Well,
Gator
BTW if anyone wants a brand new 125 spring I will send it to them no charge. It came with my 125, P.A. sends the spring when they mod with the NP. I have no use for it.
Think my email is in my profile. Now if you live in Russia then no free postage but other wise, it's free. lol
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Hang on that spring. You will get the urge to tinker. Or if that ram fails a few or several years down the road- and all springs and rams eventually fail or grow "tired"- you will wish you had it...
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Actually,
Mounting toys on top of guns is my limit. It fails, I buy something else. I am too old for grief, lol.
Be Well,
Gator
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The ballistic coefficient for .22 cudas/kodiaks is pretty close to the .22, and the JSB Jumbos and heavies are pretty close to the .25 kings as well. But not quite there. Pretty close though. You are still missing out on the momentum and surface area/wound cavity of the .25, too. Almost 50% heavier. But you are REALLY missing out with just a .25 gun and no other caliber. You can zero your .22 with the heavy pellet it likes best and just use the mildots to aim with ammo off the shelf to shoot cans and stuff. I would just zero a .22 with CPHP and pick up a tin or two every time I get groceries. Inside 25 yards I don't think the differences in ballistic coefficient really matter, except with something really light weight or maybe a wadcutter with a really poor ballistic coefficient. Accuracy is all that really matters, at 25 yards most any pellet from a magnum breakbarrel is going to knock the &^^& out of a small critter. But, I already have a nice .25 breakbarrel zeroed with Exact Kings as my first-string hunter if I want to stretch it out a bit. I really wish I had a powerful .22 breakbarrel "beater" to take fishing with me, so I could save all my .25 ammo for more serious hunting. More and more I find myself using one of the boy's 880's since they got new breakbarrels. The last time my youngest went with me, he wound up using the 880 instead because he didn't like shooting with the scope on his X3! I will probably wind up getting a .22 xs25 in synthetic to fill that need. .22 is a great all around caliber for air rifles, and compared to .177 it really makes a big difference on smaller quarry. For frogs it seems like you have about a 1/4" kill zone with a .177 on the back of the head, and if you miss it or try to shoot for the body you stand a good chance of losing the frog. Amphibians can go far with a bad shot. About 12-13 fpe in a .22 will literally knock the insides out of them at the range you will be shooting frogs in the dark- maybe 15 or 20 feet max. If you pull your shot at least you can catch him quickly and end his suffering. I have also pulled a few shots on squirrels with a mid powered breakbarrel and it still dropped them right there. Bear in mind these were not careless gut shots and still caught the edge of the rib cage. When those 18 grain exacts smack a squirrel it knocks the breath right out of them, and anchors them. They stiffen up and drop if they aren't knocked right out of the tree. I have yet to hunt with the .25 but I am going Saturday and I can't wait. I think .25's are nice, but you can probably do anything with a .22 breakbarrel that you can do with a .25. It just gives you a little bit more stopping power for small game. Doesn't really have a great advantage unless it is windy or you are stretching it out far enough to take advantage of the higher ballistic coefficient and larger kill zone.
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Stefan is correct. My Patriot also likes the JSB domed pellet! Great overall pellet. My M-Rod will drive a ragged one hole at 35 yards with this pellet. I know......can't compare a PCP to a springer but just indicating the quality and consistency. ;D
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I am using JSB Exact King .25 in my Hatsan AT44S Long. They are very accurate at 75 yards. I do weigh and sort these pellets because I have found some very light (<25.0 gr) and very heavy (>26.0gr) pellets. I wish JSB would sell pre weighed and sorted pellets. It takes about 30 minutes to weigh and sort 350.
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I assume you either discard the light and heavy pellets, save them for practice, or resight your gun when you change weight groups?.... Otherwise there would seem little point in sorting them....
Bob
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I have some H&N Barracuda match and they are 21.14 gr. but I haven shot anything with them that bleeds and I don't know how fats it shoots either since the rebuild! I have an app for my iPhone that works off of the sound of the gun and the sound of hitting a metal target but believe. It or not since the rebuild it doesn't work but it did before the rebuild! I put the phone directly in front of and close to about 6" away from the barrel but still doesn't pick it up! I took out a decibel meter and if I'm lying I'm dying it registers 47 decibels! Placed right under and slightly in front of the barrels end? I can clap my hands it jumps to 60 decibels , I scream it goes to 80 so I know it's working! I have used it to check sound volumes at church and it shows 100 at peak noise from about 30 ft from the speakers!
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As everyone knows, each and every air rifle will shoot pellets differently. I own a fully tuned Hatsan 125 in .25 and it prefers Predator Polymags. It will outperform any other pellet I run through it including the famed Jsb kings. It also likes the H&N Barracuda Hunter Extremes. I have tried numerous different pellets with some performing better than others. That's half the fun of airgunning though.