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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: Seldom Seen on May 05, 2014, 11:27:28 PM
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I need to scratch this itch.
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I like the Swiss Arms 1911. All the functions are the same as the real deal and the steps to break it down are the same.
It makes for a great training tool for the real gun. Also it shoots well for a BB pistol with a good blow back action.
Other than a little glitch with the magazine,which I need to fix,it is working fine.
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The Swiss Arms has most of the features that are desirable but a rifled barrel and fully adjustable rear sight would make it more appealing. Does POA equal POI? Since there is no elevation adjustment this would influence my purchase. What was the magazine problem?
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POI is fairly close and depends on the shooter. Problem with magazine is after a while the mag would hang down just low enough,that it won't feed correctly,causing slide not to fully lock up. A bit of epoxy build up to the locating notch and some file or mill work,should fix this. I need to do it so I don't have to push it up with my pinky while shooting.
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from what I hear it is this one
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/tanfoglio-witness-1911-co2-bb-pistol-kit?m=3322#Specifications (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/tanfoglio-witness-1911-co2-bb-pistol-kit?m=3322#Specifications)
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If you want an exact replica BB gun of a 1911, there is only one to buy. That is the Tanfoglio Witness. It even comes apart like the real thing. And buy the Daisy Avanti BBs. You will be glad you did. OH, and get the deal, spend a few moor dollars and get the extra mag, free BBs and the free CO2 carts. I really like mine.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/tanfoglio-witness-1911-co2-bb-pistol-kit?m=3322 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/tanfoglio-witness-1911-co2-bb-pistol-kit?m=3322)
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great minds Duck ;D
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I read somewhere that the Swiss Arms and Tanfoglio 1911 pistols are both made by KWC in Taiwan and are virtually identical. The price and specs are also the same.
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I read somewhere that the Swiss Arms and Tanfoglio 1911 pistols are both made by KWC in Taiwan and are virtually identical. The price and specs are also the same.
You are correct...the new version has the Swiss Arms label. Just had mine out this afternoon and was giving me troubles on
locking up. Had to turn it upside down,then release slide for it to lock up all the way. It would only lack about a 1/16th of an inch,so the slide safety wouldn't engage. Later it cleared up for 1 mag of shooting.
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from what I hear it is this one
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/tanfoglio-witness-1911-co2-bb-pistol-kit?m=3322#Specifications (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/tanfoglio-witness-1911-co2-bb-pistol-kit?m=3322#Specifications)
Yes, get the witness, I have over 1000 rounds through mine with no issues.
It also has a hopup system similar to an airsoft gun that puts a backspin on the bb to give it improved accuracy and carry longer in flight using the Magnus effect..
(Look down the barrel and you see 2 small rubber pieces that impinge on the path of the bb.)
You get about 50 good shots per co2, but it is really a load of fun..
There are others out there, but not many of them have the quality and the good trigger the Tanfoglio has.
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Not including the 10% off code that's usually available; what is the cheapest sale price these (Witness) have gone for at PA in the recent past?
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Not including the 10% off code that's usually available; what is the cheapest sale price these (Witness) have gone for at PA in the recent past?
That I can't tell you, I bought mine used from a member here..
All my newly acquired air guns are used.
I gave not bought a brand new one since about 2005 or so.
(http://i62.tinypic.com/atxmdv.jpg)
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I love my Winchester. It is very close to my "real" 1911 except for the small mag. The price is reasonable at around $90. Mine has never leaked or jammed in the two years that I've owned it.
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Some of the Witness reviewers online said that they had problems with the gun firing when the safety is switched off. This sounds like a serious safety issue. Anyone experienced this? Other than that, this airgun sounds like the best choice for a 1911.
I really want to like the Umarex Colt 1911 CO2 pellet version but at $200 the price is a bit high and the POI is an inch or so high. The Winchester at $80 and free shipping with Amazon prime is very tempting. It has gotten great reviews on many websites. This is going to be a really tough decision.
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Some of the Witness reviewers online said that they had problems with the gun firing when the safety is switched off. This sounds like a serious safety issue. Anyone experienced this? Other than that, this airgun sounds like the best choice for a 1911.
I really want to like the Umarex Colt 1911 CO2 pellet version but at $200 the price is a bit high and the POI is an inch or so high.
I'll take a look at the reviews for the Winchester as well.
No, all the safeties on mine work as expected, the thumb safety, the grip safety, and the sear disconnect, when the slide is out of battery, it won't fire..
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My winchester is the best bb pistol I have ever had. Never had a malfunction, had it well over a year. Only complaint is the safety is so easy to bump on but a pain in the rear to take off and that will get fixed when I get around to it. I would just as soon not have a safety. It has a heavy trigger with almost no movement. john
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After hours of extensive research and the recommendations here, I just bought the Winchester Model 11. My wife seemed to think it was a good decision. She likes to shoot my Colt 1991A1 (1911) with reduced 185gr loads so we can both enjoy it without having to go to the range.
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Cool, congrats, keep us posted how it goes, and give us a review(complete with photos)
Ian
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Will do!
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You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. :P :P
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You can lead them to the forum, but you can't make them post....
But we can encourage them...
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Very interested in hearing more about your Winchester. I did a little searching on it, because I didn't know they existed. It looks like it could be a sleeper. Thanks for the info. ;)
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Mudduck48: Don't fret. Eventually I may just get the Tanfoglio Witness (Swiss Arms) too. :D One of the best things about airguns is that you can get a functioning replica at a fraction of the cost of the powder burning version. I shudder to think about how much money I've sunk into my real Colt.
All: I will post my impressions of the Winchester. Another odd fact is that the real Tanfoglio Witness is actually base on the full-sized CZ 75B not the Colt 1911. Many of the parts and the magazines are interchangeable with the CZ. I'm a big fan of CZs. In fact, my new ASG CZ P-07 arrives today from PA. It is similar in weight and size to my CZ 75D Compact 9mm.
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I'll be waiting patiently ;D
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The Winchester Model 11 came today. Here are some impressions and target results:
1. Very nice looking and the weight was just like my real Colt.
2. Loading the CO2 cartridge was a learning curve. I ruined two before the light came on in the wheel house.
3. The blowback was a thrill! Recoil felt like my S&W 617 revolver with .22 cal Mini-Mags.
4. The gun shot high. POA had to be adjusted about 1.5" south @ 5-7 yds. I will try to find a shorter rear sight.
5. We got 90 accurate shots per cartridge before the slide failed to cock the hammer.
6. See targets below. They are three inches in diameter. Not bad for a new gun right out of the box.
7. We're quite satisfied with it for a BB gun. I guess our pellet guns spoiled us. It was real hard to put away for the day! The Model 11 was more accurate than my new ASG CZ P-07 by about a half inch. We'll have to get more magazines. They're only ten bucks. I expect this gun will get even better after break-in.
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb383/valcano/1911BB.jpg)
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it seems for the money not a bad deal then.
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I forgot to mention that the trigger pull was 4.25 lbs.. A bit heavier than I'm used to but not a distraction. Here are my two Colt 1911 types:
(http://i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb383/valcano/Colts.jpg)