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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => European/Asian Air Gun Gates => China/Asian AirGun Gate => Topic started by: dippingriz on April 18, 2014, 06:52:53 PM
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First off, thank you all for the wisdom that is available at this site! Time to pay it back with a review and project. I'm very new to shooting airguns as an adult with a more mature mindset than I had when I was 12. This review will be aimed at folks new and/or coming back into airguns.
Endstate: To review, modify, and share thoughts on the XS46U
How we are going to accomplish this task:
(1) Initial Thoughts
(2) Break in
(3) Grouping and pellet selection
(4) A little of this, a little of that
(5) Pending me getting a chrony, some numbers
(6) Final Thoughts
** Pictures to follow **
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First off, thank you all for the wisdom that is available at this site! Time to pay it back with a review and project. I'm very new to shooting airguns as an adult with a more mature mindset than I had when I was 12. This review will be aimed at folks new and/or coming back into airguns.
Endstate: To review, modify, and share thoughts on the XS46U
How we are going to accomplish this task:
(1) Initial Thoughts
(2) Break in
(3) Grouping and pellet selection
(4) A little of this, a little of that
(5) Pending me getting a chrony, some numbers
(6) Final Thoughts
** Pictures to follow **
Did you get he full nitro one?
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This is the springer only with a basic tune from Mike. I cannot begin to express how cool Mike is on the phone and through e-mail.
Mike included the FPS on the Pellets he tested. They are as follows:
RWS Hobby: 744
RW Super Domes: 687
Gamo Hunter: 681
Crosman HPs: 704
JSB 18gr: 624
I have about 1000 Crosman HP's to play with for the break in. This being a squirrel gun I've got plenty of FPE to deal with as long as it delivers the accuracy.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60uFPS_zps2bad9c64.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60uFPS_zps2bad9c64.jpg.html)
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This is the springer only with a basic tune from Mike. I cannot begin to express how cool Mike is on the phone and through e-mail.
Mike included the FPS on the Pellets he tested. They are as follows:
RWS Hobby: 744
RW Super Domes: 687
Gamo Hunter: 681
Crosman HPs: 704
JSB 18gr: 624
I have about 1000 Crosman HP's to play with for the break in. This being a squirrel gun I've got plenty of FPE to deal with as long as it delivers the accuracy.
it should deliver the accuracy as long as you can. I liked and enjoyed the one I shot
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(1) initial thoughts
The fit and finish is great for $100. It's pretty heavy for carrying around but it's better than carrying armor, combat loadout, and a weapon so I guess it's all relative. I'm about 1/3 through with a 500 tin of chps and can consistently hit minute of dog food can at 30 yards. Cocking is a breeze at 28 pounds leading to comfortable shooting all day at 15-16 fpe. I'm not a fan of the safety mechanism. You have to pull a tab in front of the trigger to disengage. I wouldn't want a new shooter to have a negligent discharge.
There is decent space for a bipod, but I've heard bipods don't do well on springers. I'm going to epoxy a section of rail under the rifle for mounting and testing. If it doesn't work out I can use it for a sling mount.
I'm on a kindle now so I'll have to wait until Monday when I get back from the ranch to upload some pics.
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Hope yall had a great weekend of family, food, beer, and shooting like we did. Here's the two that came with me in the airplane. And the easy project of throwing a bi-pod on the 46U
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60uand2400kt_zpsf29fbcbd.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60uand2400kt_zpsf29fbcbd.jpg.html)
All the parts: UTG something bipod and it's too short so I'll most likely end up replacing it, Magpul Moe rail I had laying around, two screws I had in the "jar", wood glue.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60upartlayout_zpsdea14ad0.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60upartlayout_zpsdea14ad0.jpg.html)
Test fit; you can still cock the rifle and have the bipod folded in the up position.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60utestfit_zps5cc0dff8.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60utestfit_zps5cc0dff8.jpg.html)
Measure once, cut once. Do it right the first time:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60udrillandglue_zpsd13fbd5d.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60udrillandglue_zpsd13fbd5d.jpg.html)
Hold on to your pants, I know these pictures are exciting
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60udrying_zps4250d137.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60udrying_zps4250d137.jpg.html)
Mounted and set. This works very well for not laying your rifle down in the dirt or leaning up against a tree.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/x60ubipodon_zps89e12718.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/x60ubipodon_zps89e12718.jpg.html)
I threw about 500 CHPs through her with Irons and I'm waiting on another optic after I stripped the allen heads on the 2400kt. It'll hit out 75 on some crab tree apples with irons so I think this one will be a keeper.
Next update will be 3rd week of May when I head back out to the ranch for all the pellet testing. Thanks for looking!
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I like the bipod idea. Not sure how well it will work but I'm interested in your results.
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So..the bi pod + a rice sack squeeze bag seems to be doing alright with the 46u. I have a couple HUUUUUUGGGGEEE announcements. # 1 I'm looking for a guy that is good with a back hoe or motivated enough to dig a series of holes approxmately 6 feet deep by 8 feet long by about 3-4 foot wide. Again...I need a series of these and they must be able to retain their walls for about 14-24 years from now. #2 My awesome wife just gave me a new hunting baby / daughter. #3 I just blew about $500 on a hipac unit + hill pump.
Pictures!
Riley Anne:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_083339_400_zpsa3157ddc.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_083339_400_zpsa3157ddc.jpg.html)
Riley gonna love the USA:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_113857_238_zpsc6fc1289.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_113857_238_zpsc6fc1289.jpg.html)
Back to the 46U
Starting to mount:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_145459_971_zps1e46f162.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_145459_971_zps1e46f162.jpg.html)
Tooth paste is the poor man's loctite
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_145511_493_zps92971990.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_145511_493_zps92971990.jpg.html)
Locked
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_150021_499_zps395b3352.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_150021_499_zps395b3352.jpg.html)
On the shooting bench outside the city limits but not the ranch:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_161714_812_zps70ca9bcb.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_161714_812_zps70ca9bcb.jpg.html)
First group of H&N @ 25 yards:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_161752_882_zps39274c25.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_161752_882_zps39274c25.jpg.html)
The first of the 5 shot groups:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/IMG_20140518_172508_143_zps83043ce4.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/IMG_20140518_172508_143_zps83043ce4.jpg.html)
Thanks for looking!
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Congratulations on the new addition to your family. She's a cutie.
Thanks for the write up on the 46U.
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Thank you Sir! Waiting on a certain someone in a brown truck to deliver my chrony.....
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# 1 I'm looking for a guy that is good with a back hoe or motivated enough to dig a series of holes approxmately 6 feet deep by 8 feet long by about 3-4 foot wide.
Burying some tall basketball players?
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# 1 I'm looking for a guy that is good with a back hoe or motivated enough to dig a series of holes approxmately 6 feet deep by 8 feet long by about 3-4 foot wide.
Burying some tall basketball players?
No I'm just going to give the option of pre-purchasing a casket. I don't want to do twice the work down the road.
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(3) We are finally at pellet selection! That sampler pack has been just waiting to get shot...
I hope you guys have good eyesight or can zoom in. Here is what 4 hours of today went to:
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/XS46Upelletselection_zpsece9080f.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/XS46Upelletselection_zpsece9080f.jpg.html)
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Alright, alright, alright we got ourselves here some chrony results and the final five groupings.
Here is the final 5: Best were H&N spear point, H&N Baracuda hunter extremes, and the JSB exacts.
(http://i1283.photobucket.com/albums/a555/stanrogers1776/Xiscoxm46ufinalfive_zps8a58a546.jpg) (http://s1283.photobucket.com/user/stanrogers1776/media/Xiscoxm46ufinalfive_zps8a58a546.jpg.html)
Here is the spreadsheet of the "good stuff"
Airgun: Flying Dragon / Xisco XS46U .22 Springer
DTG: 200900MAY2014
Temp: 70
Pellet Crosman Hollow Point
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.3 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 718 16.37
2 718 16.37
3 710 16.01
4 719 16.42
5 710 16.01
6 764 18.54
7 714 16.19
8 716 16.28
9 712 16.10 Does not group
10 711 16.06 719.20 16.11 16.44
Pellet RWS Superpoint
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.5 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 701 15.83
2 697 15.65
3 694 15.51
4 693 15.47
5 697 15.65
6 693 15.47
7 696 15.60
8 693 15.47
9 689 15.29
10 697 15.65 695.00 3.30 15.56
Pellet JSB Exact
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 15.9 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG FPS Std Dev AVG FPE
1 662 15.48
2 663 15.52
3 660 15.38 Make the rifle smoke
4 651 14.97
5 662 15.48
6 645 14.69
7 656 15.20
8 654 15.10 pulled
9 659 15.34 lighter butt rest
10 664 15.57 657.60 6.10 15.27
Pellet H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 19.09 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 606 15.57
2 610 15.78
3 609 15.73
4 614 15.98
5 611 15.83
6 609 15.73
7 608 15.67 rested harder on shoulder stock
8 609 15.73
9 605 15.52
10 614 15.98 609.50 2.95 15.75
Pellet Beeman Kodiac
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 21.14 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 570 15.25
2 565 14.99 already grouping for @$%^
3 564 14.94
4 557 14.57
5 560 14.72
6 562 14.83
7 569 15.20
8 561 14.78
9 560 14.72
10 561 14.78 562.90 4.12 14.88
Pellet H&N Baracuda Match
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 21.14 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 560 14.72 Added dot higher than center
2 550 14.20
3 553 14.36
4 526 12.99
5 554 14.41
6 559 14.67
7 543 13.84
8 544 13.90
9 556 14.51
10 549 14.15 549.40 10.00 14.18
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Some more numbers:
Pellet RWS Super H Point
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.2 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 679 14.54
2 684 14.76
3 690 15.02
4 686 14.84
5 688 14.93
6 689 14.97
7 690 15.02
8 694 15.19 stupid accurate
9 696 15.28
10 692 15.10 688.80 4.94 14.96
Pellet Crosman Premier
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.3 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 717 16.33
2 711 16.06
3 715 16.24
4 717 16.33
5 716 16.28
6 719 16.42
7 716 16.28
8 713 16.15
9 709 15.97
10 712 16.10 714.50 3.14 16.21
Pellet JSB Express
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.35 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 676 14.56 smoke
2 668 14.22 smoke
3 675 14.52 smoke
4 0.00
5 0.00
6 0.00
7 0.00
8 0.00
9 0.00
10 0.00 673.00 4.36 4.33
Pellet RWS Super Dome
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.5 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 696 15.60
2 694 15.51
3 676 14.72
4 666 14.28
5 673 14.59
6 675 14.67
7 683 15.02
8 670 14.46
9 674 14.63 nice group
10 681 14.94 678.80 9.83 14.84
Pellet RWS Super Point
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.5 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 692 15.42
2 692 15.42
3 700 15.78
4 686 15.16
5 693 15.47
6 689 15.29
7 694 15.51
8 688 15.24
9 691 15.38
10 690 15.33 691.50 3.84 15.40
Pellet Beeman FTS
Cal. 0.22 Grains: 14.66 PSI
Shot # FPS FPE AVG Std Dev AVG FPE
1 723 17.02
2 723 17.02
3 720 16.88
4 719 16.83
5 717 16.74
6 719 16.83
7 720 16.88
8 714 16.60
9 719 16.83
10 717 16.74 719.10 2.73 16.84
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Following with rapt attention!
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Following with rapt attention!
Sorry for the lack of posts in this thread. I have decided on the RWS Super Point .22 in 14.5. It's the cheapest / most accurate pellet I can put through this rifle. I can typically hit 1 inch groups at 40 yards with this pellet and have taken about 11-14 Sparrows, 3 good sized cotton tails, and about 6-7 squirrels out at the property with this rifle. Right now I'm figuring out the dope with the mildot holdover in regards to mapping a dope sheet between hawke's chairgun and practical testing. I should be back out at the ranch on Friday where I can get some more testing done.
Jr_explorer, let me know if you want me to do any experiments or testing and I can post the results back up next week.
I also took off the bipod...they don't belong on springers unfortunately.
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Congratulations on all accounts!