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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Sandspike on February 28, 2014, 05:24:20 PM
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Are you ready for a .25 Cal. JSB Super King? Maybe as much as 10 or more grains heavier.
The rumors are out there.
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oooohhhhhhh man i already know my gun is gonna like em :)
yes please! ;D
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35 grains would be sweet...will buy as soon as I see 'em.
cheers,
Douglas
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I like the current setup for my Rod! But curious if they do how they perform ballistic wise. Keep us informed.
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Waiting breathlessly....
Bob
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shorter than a barracuda 31gr?...hint hint
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a 30gn'er would be perfect for me :)
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How about three new weights, 30, 35, 40 gr.... just wishing.... If I had to choose just one, 35 gr. would be it.... My Hatsan loves to put out 70 FPE but the only pellets that fit the magazine, the Daystates and EunJin Domes, are horrible accuracy in that gun.... Maximum length 0.410", please....
Bob
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I'll be trying any pellet JSB makes, but I really NEED a 50 cal pellet for my Dragon Claw! It seems like there might be a .457 Hayabusa that could use a pellet as well ;)
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Wondering what shape they'd be to be both +30 grains and less than .410" in length. Would pretty much have to do away with most of the hollow part and make them kind of fat bodied (kind of like the .177 13.4gr. Monsters).
Did notice a +16gr. .177 was announced, but haven't seen any, but it does go to show that they are thinking in terms of heavy weight pellet use.
Then again, seems the demand for what they already produce is outstripping the supply (as most places are out of stock popular types). Reading their web page, they've been claiming to be in the process of expansion (and really, they were running the place with just 20 employees?).
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A 30-35gr JSB pellet would be a fantastic addition to the .25s
I could have my Storms shoot in the 65-70 FPE stock :) :) :)
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The Daystate 36 gr. is 0.410" long and looks like a JSB Monster in .177, typical JSB hemi-spherical nose, cylindrical body, short tapered skirt.... so a JSB in 35 gr. would have to be similar (but hopefully better quality).... The 25.4 gr. are only 0.310" long, so a 30 gr. would be in between (0.350"-0.380" ? depending on the shape of the waist).... A 40 gr. would likely sneak up towards 0.450", but that will still fit in an MRod magazine (barely).... The longest you can put in a Hatsan magazine is about 0.420", and that depends on the location of the waist, as the O-rings can force it to sit too far forward or back and jam (case in point the Predator).... The 36 gr. Daystates fit and feed fine in the Hatsan, they just aren't that accurate, so a JSB in that weight would be really welcome as I have no trouble driving the Daystates at 950-970 fps.... They would be dynamite in a Condor as well, if they had the long range accuracy.... and staying to that 0.410" LOA would allow them to fit the Hatsan, MRod, Daystate (presumably), and any single shot.... I don't know about the Korean repeaters, anyone that can chime in with that information?.... Manny, what is the maxmium length pellet they will feed?....
Bob
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The Predator fits fine in the Evanix Mags, how long is it ?
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Predators are 0.406" long, and will fit in the magazine of a Hatsan but the O-rings push them forward and they can jam.... The Daystates, at 0.410" function perfectly.... so it would appear that a length of ~0.410" maximum would allow the maximum number of repeaters to use them.... I hope this is something JSB looked at....
Bob
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........... I hope this is something JSB looked at....
Bob
LOL. We know the gun makers don't look at the pellet length when designing their mags., hopefully the pellet maker will do better.
Tom
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the 35gr EunJin fit the Storms mags
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The EunJin Domed is shorter than a Predator.... but the pointed is longer.... AFAIK, it won't even fit an MRod magazine....
Bob
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if JSB can come out with a nice stubby 35gr Pellet would be flat out awsome
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"Are you ready for a .25 Cal. JSB Super King?" Been ready; Can we pre-order??
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The magazine fit issue is fairly easy up to .500 for the Marauder 25's anyway. I am comfortably feeding .498"-long boolits from a 225353 mold( with the inside relieved in a circular slot ). Nooooo problemo. Endmill and drill press...:)
cheers,
Douglas
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The Korean cylinder run repeaters, like the Sumatra, would work with anything up to about .600-610".
Figured they'd go with the "monster" profile to get the weight without excess length, should be able to gain 20% weight with that shape and not significantly change length, so sothing in the 30-31gr. range?
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Maybe so, Douglas, but there is no easy fix for the Hatsan, the slot in the receiver is only 0.430".... and the magazines are 0.420".... The pellets stick out the ends and are located by O-rings on the circumference.... If the waist is in the wrong place, even a shorter pellet may jam.... However, as I said the 36 gr. Daystates work perfectly, and they are 0.410" long, so no reason JSB can't do something similar....
Bob
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Maybe so, Douglas, but there is no easy fix for the Hatsan, the slot in the receiver is only 0.430".... and the magazines are 0.420".... The pellets stick out the ends and are located by O-rings on the circumference.... If the waist is in the wrong place, even a shorter pellet may jam.... However, as I said the 36 gr. Daystates work perfectly, and they are 0.410" long, so no reason JSB can't do something similar....
Bob
Quite so...but the shape of the Daystates does not work for them...why expect JSB to get it working? I suspect the best they'll do will be on the proportions of the 18.1 gr Jumbo Heavy. Probably only about 30 gr...but still not shaped like the ones that don't seem to fly well.
cheers,
Douglas
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if they mimic the 18.1 proportions in 25cal i think it would be a huge hit,
i know im going to try them no matter what they look like :) LOL
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According to a rep. For JSB they were thinking of 28-31g and they we're suppose to be out at the end of last year! The topic started on the "yellow" about 8 months ago and he was asking peoples opinions on what weight . Funny I started a post about 2 months ago asking if my one heard any news yet and manny was the only one who replied now it seams like it's the latest news since the wheel was invented 8)
In any event, let's all hope they deliver something soon!
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A scaled up 18.1 gr. would only be 27.7 gr.... IMO with that small a weight change (9%), why bother....
Bob
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Isn't longer generally better for BC and accuracy, everything else left the same? It seems like for accuracy to progress we don't want to be limited by last years short magazine lengths? Also in California non-lead may become the only option, it seems like we need breathing room in the breech space to support new innovations?
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Maybe so, but does it make sense to make a pellet that won't fit existing guns?....
Bob
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well,
if they made them 31gns,wouldnt they be roughly the same length as an h&n baracuda?
and subsequently fit most mags?
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A scaled up 18.1 gr. would only be 27.7 gr.... IMO with that small a weight change (9%), why bother....
Bob
Agree,
they can still make them 35gr and fit most mags, if the 35gr EunJin is shorter than a Predator, than there's room there
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The Baracuda is a particularly long pellet because of the semi-conical nose design and the very long tapered skirt.... A JSB of the same weight would definitely be shorter....
Bob
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I'd like to see something in the high 30s. My 43.2 Eunjins fit my Marauder mag just fine. I don't see why anything less than that wouldn't. There's already plenty of good 31 grain options out there. I'd rather them go 35 or 38 just to give us something in between the Eunjins and the Cudas.
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As everyone else mention It would be perfect to have a JSB in the 32-38 range. I love how my mrod shots with the Kings but I could use a lot more weight. My mods are asking for Grains. It would we perfect to shot between 50 and 60 fpe based on the the air capacity and keeping a good shot count. Right now I can get 16 shots with 2% of spread up to 50-52 fpe. Being a hunting gun, I could easy go to 55-60 and keep 16 shots within 4% of the spread which would be perfect. I just need something that shots well to tune to. The best after the JSB are the cudas which shot about 1-0.75 inches from 40 compared to the JSBs 0.5 to 0.25 groups, something times tighter when I do my part.
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anyone have any news about these?
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have high hopes for this heavy JSB, hopefully it won't take to long :)
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on the Hatsan BT65 the back of the receiver mag notch has plenty of "growing room"
the bolt is retracted about 1/4 back when the mag rotation cycle starts...
and the mag lifter hanf that rotates the mag has plenty of support in that area too...
so cutting .100 or so from the back face of the mag notch is no problem..
the base diameter of the mag has plenty of room for a couple or more 2-56 flathead screws..
so adding a filler plate to the back of the mag wouldn't take any extreme measures..
doesn't have a notched profiled or anything like that just drilled and indexed to match the ports..
a piece of delrin turned with a face ring to fit the back of the mag would be about perfect.
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No updates?
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ive been patiently waiting long enough LOL
gimme my super king 8)
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i am DROOLING over the news for this... a search of the JSB website didn't reveal anything other than on the JSB king page,
"and you can expect heavier and lighter variants in the future"
no clue when this page was created nor how old his is...
put me at #1 please!! my condor loves the weight of the 31.02 baracudas, and i want heavier with accuracy! 75+ FPE baby!
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I passed on a great deal for alot of .25 pellets with this in mind, I'm holding on to see if the really come out with a -/+ 35gr pellets,...that would be perfect for my guns :)
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same Manny. i loved the condor's power with the 43 grain eunjins, but there accuracy was horrid. 76 FPE right out of the box. thats thumping!!!
however, the 31.02 grain baracudas at 58-62 FPE is pretty good stuff.
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ok... so i emailed JSB and simply asked them what there plans were. they replied...
"Hello Edward,
Thanks for your e-mail. I am happy you like our Kings.
Actually we prepare heavier pellets in cal .25. the weight should be around 34 grains and it should be available within a couple of months.
if you have any other questions about our products please feel free to ask
Best regards,
Pavel Kolegac
JSB match Diabolo a.s."
This is great news!!! right in the range of pellets i wanted... 32-38 grains... a 34 grain JSB monster type would be awesome!!!
thoughts????
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Sounds great.... I can't wait.... That's 68 FPE at 950 fps.... Hopefully my Hatsan (and others) will love 'em....
Bob
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Great news!! ;D I'm still in the middle of detuning my Condor to try Kings not over 1000 fps. Still going to try eunjins but not holding my breath, every report of eunjins through a LW choked barrel are very poor.
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That's Fantastic, a 34gr .25 pellet is exactly what I need,
all my guns of all calibers love JSBs so this is extremely exciting news
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mmmmmmm 34 grains of accuracy 8)
dont know how ill be able to wait the couple months till they are available LOL
this is worse than "KNOWING" that there was a bb gun under the christmas tree when i was 8 but not being able to have it till christmas day LOL
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soon I'll have a bunch of kings for sale ;D Can't wait
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anybody hear anything about these yet????
inquiring minds want to know lol
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I will try them. I think they will fit the sumatra.
Can't wait to see if they are released.
Dave
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Crickets' chirping......
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Sooner is better for sure...
cheers,
Douglas
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It's alive...IT'S ALIVE.....my thread is still alive.
But I still ain't got no super kings.
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Sounds great.... I can't wait.... That's 68 FPE at 950 fps.... Hopefully my Hatsan (and others) will love 'em....
Bob
Bob are you getting this power with the AT44 long? If so what's the ES and shot count? I would only need 12 shots.
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JSB is probably either hammering out the weight distribution between the head & skirt or waiting on tooling to be finalized...I know how THAT goes!
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I absolutely love all the JSB's - .22, .25 & .357 - a 34'ish grain Super King in .25 sure would allow for a better blend of slugs and pellets for how you tune your gun.
The dimensions will surely be better than the Eun Jin 35 grain!
My 'issue' has always been having my gun tuned for slugs drives the Kings @ 1160 fps...the extra 9 grains would slow em down enough that I would only have to back off the RVA slightly on my slug tune to keep the 34's around 950 fps.
I've been anxious to have them available to try too!
Hopefully we'll see them *soon*.
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waiting is not my friend LOL
from the emails a few were talking about these were supposed to be out already.
has anyone heard any updated info???
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nada
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nada
figures lol
i know youre probably hoping for these more than me manny lol
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Bwalton, yes my AT-44 Long will do 12 shots within 4% ES at 72 FPE with 36 gr. Daystates.... The best 9 shots (1 clip) are within 2% ES....
Bob
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still waiting :( anyone got an eta on these yet?
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Complete silence across the board
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yeah i figured that,
but if i keep asking it makes me not feel so bad LOL
and eventually (i hope) ill be able to actually touch this mythical creature :) LOL
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we are ALL impatiently waiting for this!
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They are probably gonna be out of stock a few days after they hit the market , LOL
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I'll buy and ton of them and then resell them :D
Maybe I can finance my next gun that way.
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The EunJin Domed is shorter than a Predator.... but the pointed is longer.... AFAIK, it won't even fit an MRod magazine....
Bob
Hi Bob,
You being the Master of all mathematical,
So the fact that you are joyfully moved at the prospect of even a 40g pellet usable in .25 Hatsan AT44 clip. This makes me curios, at what weight is the limit of a heavier pellet relative to the size of the pellet cavities or chambers or what ever those holes are called, maxed out?
Well if anyone knows it would be Bob, right?
Be Well,
Gator
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Maximum length in a .25 cal MRod magazine is 0.450" for a flat nose or a large meplat.... a bit longer than that for a pointed or a narrow nose.... The Hatsan magazines are a bit shorter, about 0.420" IIRC.... Sorry but my digital calipers gave up the ghost the other day.... My 51 gr. BBT was designed to fit the MRod mag, the 53 gr. Lyman .25 ACP bullet fits but hangs up and won't feed realiably.... but those aren't pellets, of course....
Bob
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i emailed JSB again. There answer is posted below.
Hello Edward,
Thanks for your e-mail.
I am sorry for the delay of this project. We have some problems with our moulds/dies supplier who is very late with his deliveries… I hope we will be able to prepare the pellet till the end of the year so we can present it at the Shot Show in January.
Best regards,
Pavel
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Thanks for giving us an update,much appreciated :D
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Maximum length in a .25 cal MRod magazine is 0.450" for a flat nose or a large meplat.... a bit longer than that for a pointed or a narrow nose.... The Hatsan magazines are a bit shorter, about 0.420" IIRC.... Sorry but my digital calipers gave up the ghost the other day.... My 51 gr. BBT was designed to fit the MRod mag, the 53 gr. Lyman .25 ACP bullet fits but hangs up and won't feed realiably.... but those aren't pellets, of course....
Bob
Thanks Bob,
I notice a slight difference in AT44 .22 clips (shorter) and AT44 .25 clips, of course also fit BT65. My Galation .25 clips measure about .440.
So I am hoping Hatsan is able to use the Galation for their new .357s. Lots of possibilities ?
Be Well,
Gator
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I believe if Hatsan were to make a .357, they'd more than likely develop a new platform for it with many features similar to their current line up of PCPs.
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I believe if Hatsan were to make a .357, they'd more than likely develop a new platform for it with many features similar to their current line up of PCPs.
Hatsan already has developed and delivered ptototypes to Rick E.. Yes, I pray they haven't extended the BT. But what I hope is that they have developed a new line much more like the Galation then the BT. IMO the Galation is a dream gun in many ways, especially the ez action, smooth lines, larger clips, just a nice gun.
That's all I know, as Rick emailed me eariler today to wait til he does a review. I talked with Rick early this week and he was excited that the President of Hatsan had visited him that morning and I think he sad there were 5 new Hatsan prototypes.
Be Well,
Gator