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Airguns by Make and Model => Gamo Airguns => Topic started by: Skyward on February 20, 2014, 09:57:37 PM
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Hi there! :D
So, I'm in the middle of a huge doubt, let me explain.
I want a airgun 5,5mm(.22), for medium shooting distance, 30/40 meters(I think this corresponds to 100 to 130 feet), grouping shoots(I want to group the shots on the target, not to destroy the target) and, with a main feature: silent.
We cannot hunt in my country, so, I just want to shoot with precision in this distance(or under), in metal targets or similars.
Here in my country airguns are very, and I mean VERY, expensive and hard to get/find/pre-test.
I was looking for 4 models: Gamo Whisper Silent Stalker(called Whisper X in Brazil), Gamo CFX, Cometa Fenix 400 and Cometa Fenix 400s(supressor model)
Why am I not looking for IGT models and CFR? Price.
Corresponding price of this guns listed (in Brazil), all with Gas ram installed:
Gamo Silent Stalker: 532 Dollars
Gamo CFX: 545 dollars
Cometa 400: 491 dollars
Cometa 400s: 741 dollars(yes, seven hundred)
Gamo Silent Stalker IGT(rare on the market here): 700 dollars
Gamo CRF(without gas ram): 550 dollars, with Gas ram, maybe 650/675 dollars.
So, I need to know from you guys, that have easier access to this weapons, some things:
The difference between a Gamo with a sound supressor and without(like CFX), is really considerable?
Anyone knows if the Cometa 400s is much more silent than the stock one?(I searched a LOT of reviews and the 4 primary weapons is classified as 3, "moderate sound", with or without stock sound supressors)
What should I choose: Gamo or Cometa? Why?
Should I not consider one or more weapons of my list for some reason? (like: "do not get CFX, because CFR is a much better weapons" or "do not get Silent Stalker, get another Gamo option, like Socom, because of XXX")
Gamo do not sell here the Fusion models, but we have the Socom, Silent Cat and etc. About the same astronomical price of the Silent Stalker.
The Cometa Fusion model is above 700 dollars.
If you guys have another options, let me know. I can tell you the price here(if we have the brand) to compare.
By the way, I do not like Hatsans.. :-\
Thank you and I am sorry for the long post, but I really need help. ;)
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The fixed barrel guns are going to be more accurate that the break barrels, the suppressors built on the end of the barrel of the Gamo Guns do cut the noise some.
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The new generations of Gamo's rifles are starting to resemble plastic toys, not guns. The Whisper Silent Stalker for instance has such a synthetic barrel breech block (made of some kind of plastic) and the outside of the barrel itself is made of this stuff too. You don't need to be a nuclear scientist in order to understand that this part will never have the same strength and durability through time and use as another one made of steel. It is a new design but of lower cost and it should be less expensive as it has a limited period of life - instead of that we have the opposite: it costs the same as other air rifles with breech blocks made of steel (or even more, the "sucker" has to pay for the marketing cost).
The trigger unit of all Gamo's even with the "new" SAT design is of lower quality and less adjustable compared to the trigger unit of the Cometa 400 rifles - a powerful, silent air rifle is practically useless without a decent trigger, even the Hatsan "Quattro System" offers better control over the trigger (although you previously mentioned that you are not interested in these airguns). Of course there will be the usual "voices" to start commenting about buying aftermarket "tuning products", "special trigger blades" and all these EXTRA money that you must pay so that you can make your rifle a little better (or to think that you have made it better). It's your choice if you want a complete package or a half-one.
I don't know how you ended up with the choice of a gas ram rifle - you can have fine results on target with a simple spring rifle in these distances and ever further. Gas rams are not adjustable (the ones in these two rifles you are interested in) - a spring can be modified in many ways and help in finding the perfect combination between power, easy cocking, low recoil and accuracy.
I don't know about your local market (I live in Europe) and the availability and prices of German air rifles (like Weihrauch or Beeman models from the USA) but if you want something better and you can wait a little longer, save some more money and try to find one of these. If this is not the case and you must stick to Spanish rifles go for one of the Cometa 400 models (the one you can afford) and don't even bother to look back. Cometa air rifles are not very well known worldwide but this does not stop them from being the best Spanish brand.
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Hi Flyer !
I actually heard many bad things about the triggers of gamo rifles. Hardness, lack of precision, bad quality material and etc ... The considerations that you did on the polymer which is used in Gamo makes perfect sense. The Cometa rifles have a cold hammered barrel (not sure if this is the English term ), wood stock, look more realistic.
I have a buddy that has a 400 Comet without suppressor , and praises the rifle in every single aspect . I'm trying to see if there are other options or if Cometa 400 really would be the best one.
We can barely see here a rifle with supressor(because of the high price), it is considered a luxury item. So, I do not have any clue about supression effectiveness, and, as you can see, we have a good amount of money involved.
In terms of aftermarket tunning, my situation is much worse : in my state (which is has limit with São Paulo and Rio de Janeiro), third most developed state in Brazil(tourists just know São Paulo and Rio) , has very few (if not none) store specialized in this type of weapons. Find aftermarket products is relatively easy(in São Paulo) , the problem is to install(price and skilled people) and trust the installation. :-\
I am considering the option of gas ram because I read daily: Cocking would be lighter , the gun would have almost none recoil (here they say: “spring rifles have less durability and more recoil, because of the vibrations of the spring inside of the gun. If you put gas ram, the cocking will be lighter and easier and the recoil will be much less intense, almost inexistent) .
Customize a spring here? Just in my dreams, people hardly know what is a airgun. :(
My problem with hatsans is what I usually hear here: it have a HUGE recoil (which would cause loss of precision) and need a lot of tuning / aftermarket to be good.
I like the brand, I know what it means for the world of airguns, but hear / read this, makes me almost disconsider the guns for what I am looking for.
But, if anyone say to me: "this hatsan model is a good gun for what you are looking for, with almost none aftermarket tuning needed", I will consider the gun.
Weihauch sells here, but is completely unknown . The Beeman sells some models. Here are the models :
Weihauch
HW - 50 MII : 800 dollars
HW -35 Standard 1019 dollars
HW -85 : 1200 dollars :o
Beeman (just one rifle model) :
Beeman 1074 dual barrel : 495 dollars .
Thank you so much for the answer and helping.
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Hello Skyward!
I start to understand what is the situation in your area. Keep in mind that all recoiling air rifles (with a spring or a gas ram) are not very noisy airguns compared to precharged pneumatics (PCP) - the noise is generated mostly from the internal moving elements of the mechanism and not so much from the barrel exit. With the right treatment and materials and after some 100's of shots everything starts to calm down and the noises are almost extinct (in a really tuned rifle). Let me set things straight here. A lot of people talk about "tuning" an air rifle but there is a big misunderstanding in all this. Tuning is not about how to get more power and high velocities from a gun. It is the balanced function of all the airgun's parts and systems working in full harmony with less effort, less noise, less recoil, high consistency and less wear based in the true specifications of each rifle. It can be done by an amateur airgun enthusiast with the proper tools and materials and a lot of free time but with great difficulty especially if he does not know or understand what should be done in every specific area and what should be left as it is. The replacement of a spring with a larger and stiffer one or with a gas ram is not "tuning" - neither is the simple replacement of an airgun's parts with aftermarket ones. There is work to be done and that is the reason why professional tuners have jobs and a good reputation for the results of their efforts.
Back to the "noise" now. The noise from the air exiting the barrel is affected by the barrel length and the power of the airgun - i.e. a 45 cm barrel (17.71") is less noisy than a 30 cm (11.81") barrel and a 9-10 ftlbs rifle is quieter than a 16-20 ftlbs rifle. The caliber plays a role too - in the same power level and same barrel length the 0.22" (5,5 mm) air rifle is less noisy than the 0.177" (4,5 mm) one.
The gas ram "revolution" is an old story - it was invented, tested, perfected, applied and used decades ago in the UK, there is nothing really new to it. Companies want to sell their products, a lot of products, more and more products so they always try to create new needs. The gas ram era passed away years ago and now the factories are trying to revive it (for their benefit of course). I don't know your experiences with airguns so my advice is a)don't believe everything you hear. and b) keep looking for more information in all possible sources. The gas ram rifles do have recoil, it is of a slightly different nature compared to the spring recoil but it exists. Cocking can be easier in a tuned gas ram rifle, in one that has the feature to adjust the gas ram pressure to the exact spot of perfect balance. Do the most common commercially, cheap gas rams offer such a feature for the end user? The answer is no.
The Hatsan's are mainly adressing the US market of airgun shooters and all their philosophy is about POWER. The hunt for power results in RECOIL. They do have some issues in quality control and finish of the final products but if they are to be lowered in power they become good, accurate "shooters" and behave very well.
As you say the prices of HW rifles are high :'(, the Beeman 1074 is a Chinese copy/clone of a known Spanish air rifle from Norica and it should be left alone in its place. ;)
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Hello again Flyer! :D
Here, the term "tuning" have a different meaning, exactly what you put as a misunderstanding. I rarely heard/ read someone who made a modification to the weapon to increase stability, balance and vibration etc.. Usually is to increase firepower/speed and reduce recoil.
I recently saw a review where the person has a change in spring and talked about all the changes he had to make to balance and adapt the new spring. Not simply take off the old and insert the new one, involves a whole fit and have to know what you are doing (just like you said).
Here in Brazil we have some shops that do this and it is reliable. The problem is that all are in other states. :-\
About the noise explanation, thank you. Clear information.
About the gas ram story, yes, I agree with you about "let's revive this thing and sell more" is something intrinsic of industry / trading.
I am new with airguns, but I really do a research before purchasing something, preferably in international sites. Here we have very few people really reliable/specialized/"I know what I am talking about" in this area.
You told me you live in Europe, I, unfortunately, live in a not-very-honest country, where people normally "change and make up" many things / information. My government is extremely corrupt and the people, over time, got used to it and tend to look for ways to dodge. One of them is putting false information on products, for more or less. Besides the fact that airguns theme is barely known here, even for reasons of culture (Brazil has no history of wars), weapons here "only serve to kill", not for shooting/target practice, common sense.
I am looking for a 5.5 weapon, with a easy cocking, because I have one another, very powerful, but very hard to cock (about 60lbs). I need something: silent, precise and with less effort to shoot.
The Hatsans here have the same goal: who buys wants a gun that completely destroys the target, they cannot buy a bazooka, so they look for something as close as possible.
I was seeing a Hatsan 125 SAS sniper, but I think I would be buying another gun hard to cock. It looks more precise, quiet and with very good materials, but the cocking effort worries me.
It seems to me, for all that you said, your choice would be the Comet 400. Am I wrong? :D
About Norica Rifles (which has a good price here), I always see complaints about the roughness / hardness of the trigger, mainly related to continued use. Do you know something about it?
And about the Beeman, ok, let it rest in peace! 8)
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Hello again my friend!
Let's start with the Norica air rifles. In the past all the major Spanish airgun factories ("El Gamo" now known just as "Gamo", "Norica" and "Cometa") had higher standards in their final products and even presented some real innovations but in the recent times things changed for the worst. If you do a small search in the wed looking for older models of El Gamo and Norica you will discover what is lost in today's rifles. Availability of spare parts is a great issue for all airguns and here Norica's are not up to that. The triggers that equip the low to medium price models are not adjustable - for a semi-decent trigger unit you must look only in the high price models like Marvic, Storm and Black Eagle:
http://www.norica.es/airguns.html (http://www.norica.es/airguns.html)
Unfortunately corrupt politicians, parties and governments are the rule in our world and not the exception. :( Don't think that the situation is better in the so called "rich", "advanced" or "civilised" countries though.
I remain steady in my previous comment. The Cometa Fenix 400 in 0.22" cal (5,5 mm) with or without the barrel compensator is the best choice for your needs. The cocking effort is lower than expected for the power it produces (I assume there are no power limitations for airguns in your country). The rifle has a moderate total weight in connection to its power level and it is very user friendly and manageable. Don't forget that airguns in this price category are mass production goods and they always carry some minor flaws, keep in mind also that even the most expensive German rifles do brake a part sometimes (it's the rule of life). The simpler spring version (without the gas ram system) is more affordable, easier to be modified if necessary and is not at all inferior to the gas ram one.
http://cometaairgun.e.movistar.es/en/cometa_carabinas_400.html (http://cometaairgun.e.movistar.es/en/cometa_carabinas_400.html)
http://cometaairgun.e.movistar.es/en/cometa_carabinas_400c.html (http://cometaairgun.e.movistar.es/en/cometa_carabinas_400c.html)
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Hi Flyer !
I am really sorry for the late answer here , but I got busy .
I took a little time to do a little research about how were the weapons of Gamo and Norica . Looks like you're right , something was getting lost with time .
About the corrupts , really, is not a "privilege " only from Brazil , is a general pest. Only you ( USA , Europe , Canada and others ) has an advantage : education and much more rooted culture than we. We are having some protests here against the World Cup , you must have heard about it , the problem is : We do not have this habit . People seem completely lost . We are speaking out against a lot of things (corruption , skyrocketing taxes , poor education and health , AWFUL infrastructure and others) , but basically , what for? The entire country is lost. We need to rebuild it from the ashes.
Look at the Ukraine sittuation . They have achieved something great. And we , with a wave of protests in the past year? Nothing .
Well, I'm a little suspect to talk about the Brazil . I will give up and leave this country as soon as possible. :-\
Back to guns! :D
I am researching a lot about the Cometas .
I'm in the following situation : The Cometa 400, 4.5 , worth the price difference for the 220 ? ( $ 115 ) . A small problem is : Cometa 400 , 4.5mm, is very rare to find in the Brazilian market , we are in a wave of .22 guns, but, in the other hand, we have a lot of gas ram guns.
The 400 4.5 is out of stock in every single store and no expected restocking. I am a little afraid of investing in a 220 and the gun do not have enough power for the distances I want, as I said, between 40 to 130 feet.
What do you think?
Thank you again!
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Hello Skyward!
There is no reason to excuse yourself, take your time, there is no hurry.
Let's start from the guns. The model 220 has less power than the models 300 and 400 and is cheaper but it lacks the good trigger unit - this is found only in the 400 Fenix and Fusion models. A good trigger is a truly essential element for every rifle, from air rifles up to real firearms of various calibers. The model 220 trigger design is less sensitive and does not provide the range of adjustments needed for a good result in every shot. Therefore I would suggest to leave the model 220 and all other Cometa models out of your choices and focus only on the 400 model and its variations.
The caliber issue is not a real problem. The 400 is designed to operate in medium to high power levels and although it will produce high velocities in the 0.177" cal (4,5 mm) it will not be "in its element" as if it was in cal 0.22" (5,5 mm). High power 0.177" air rifles are accurate with the use of heavy pellets, if you make a search you will find that most of the owners and users of the gun achive good accuracy with pellets weighting 10 grains and more (like Crosman Premier Heavy, JSB Exact Heavy etc). The other way is to intentionally lower the power of the rifle so you will be able to use with sucess lighter than the heavy pellets of the market. In the other hand the 0.22" cal as well offers a wide variety of pellets and weights, the gun works more "sweetly", the power is delivered very well and the noise is in lower levels. Most owners prefer the 0.22" cal version and not my mistake. The old RWS 94 was a very well known air rifle especially to older shooters. It was a Cometa 400 rebranded as RWS 94 to de sold in the US market and managed to write its own history. If you have special reasons to choose the smaller caliber it's OK, if you wish you can always buy an extra barrel in the future and see how it performs in the bigger caliber. Personally I vote for the 0.22" (5,5 mm) cal version.
As for the world situation things are NOT as the mass media in all countries try to present them. The Ukraine problem is totally different from what you see in the news. There are no real achievements, it is not a people's spontaneous true revolution in a struggle for something better for themselves and their country but something totally different and very dangerous. In the first time since the end of the second world war (WWII) a declared Nazi politician participates in the so called "patriotic'' temporary government. If you look in history books about nazis you will see what they are all about and how they "helped' humanity.
Unfortunately we seem to be returning back to "black ages", the atmosphere in Europe starts to look really "heavy".
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Hi Flyer!
Just a quick comment(not that quick) : From here, by which we have access , it seems that Ukraine is fighting for better economic conditions (get closer to the European Union) , a "less-subordinated-to-Russia" government and etc. . Well, I know well about Nazism and , even today , many things attached to it scare me . Hence, know some people who are participating in the case of Ukraine are very different classes , a boxer , a millionaire from the Soviet era and etc. ...
Here in Brazil , I can not even talk much : the current president committed kidnappings , bank robberies and other obscure things during the period of dictatorship in Brazil . The first year of government it inflated the number of ministers who were already excessive since the Lula government(who expressed his sympathy to the president of Iran in the nuclear case). Months later , was a corruption scandal after another . Currently we have 39 ministries , which do absolutely nothing.
And she is elected .
It's abysmal .
I traveled to the USA last year and the vision they have here is a tropical paradise , with beautiful women , a cheerful and friendly people.
They are only fully right about the beautiful women (and some friendly people). We have amazing beaches, places and regional culture, but the whole country is plaged with no infrastructure and skyrocket prices.
Living in Brazil is to accept being robbed with taxes, accept having unpunished bad politicians, pay 3 to 4 times the real price of a product (cars, airguns, electronics and etc) and mediocre infrastructure/health/security. Our "president " wants the people to believe that we are living in a new era of development and prosperity .
We live in a corruption -infested nightmare.
If you can ( and I speak for all foreigners I know ) stay away from here. Just visit certain cities and go away , ASAP . The best thing in Brazil (because of this awful situation) is the International Airport(when it works), trust me.
And I am really sorry for the Europe atmosphere, you have absolutely lovely countries, regions, people, culture, food and etc... This is very, VERY sad. :-\
Weapons back ! :D
I did not know about the trigger of 220. I will remove it sas options and focus on the 400 models.
I had a proposal this morning for a rifle Gamo Big Cat 4.5 with gas ram. Would have the same value of the Hatsan 80 and Cometa 220. I know nothing about the rifle, but remember what you told me about the new Gamo.
I wanted to invest in a .177 because I already have a 5.5 pretty powerful(not that precise), but noisy-as-*(&^. Despite being much easier to buy the .22 guns here, I still have this idea. The pellets .22 cost double or triple the price of .177 as well (and remember we pay 3-4 times the "normal" price, if it costs 10 dollars in the U.S., here costs 40/50) The JSB/Crosman pellets and the "elite" Gamos(red fire, blue fire and etc) are a fortune here, "luxury pellets". It is something to consider...
Thank you again!
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That's what I meant with my previous comment, informations are filtered in all levels and they show everything they want you to see.
The European Union is NOT an organism who fights for the human rights, the well being and prosperity of the people living in Europe and elsewhere, it doesn't reflect the true opinions and beliefs of the majority of ordinary citizens and its structure and actions are far away from being democratic or even representative. Just for comparison your recent president as you describe him seems like a innocent child if you try to compare him with the corrupted imposters that present themselves as high class "European Union officials". :o
If you don't understand that and you start thinking on the basis that is something different (as the mass media present it) you are destined to end up with wrong conclusions. In my country people have seen the hideous face of this "organization" in all its "glory" and day by day start to realize that the course they chose for us leads to our complete destruction.
The manufacturing quality of the Cometa rifles is higher than the quality of Gamo's and Norica's - therefore if you want something to last in time turn off the other proposals. In your first post you mentioned:
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I want a airgun 5,5mm(.22), for medium shooting distance, 30/40 meters(I think this corresponds to 100 to 130 feet), grouping shoots(I want to group the shots on the target, not to destroy the target) and, with a main feature: silent.
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Since now you are directed to the other famous caliber my suggestion remains the same.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xnRlYvEEZ8# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xnRlYvEEZ8#)
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Can't take it anymore😊. Going to stick up for my new(5 months in use) Gamo Bone Collector .177 airrifle. I have a 15(?) year old Gamo and the new one is much better in every way. Both are break barrel types of course with the old one using a spring-powered powerplant while the new one is powered by an inert gas cylinder
The new one takes about 32 lbs of pressure to cock. It has almost no vibration and I leave it cocked(safety on) overnight with no loss in power. That function may not be of use to you as you will target shoot but is important to me as I hunt with mine and want it ready at a moment's notice. It is accurate though I have not shot it at the distances you mentioned.
I love the stock and fore end because they are made of a synthetic material. I don't have to worry about carrying it anywhere. I even clamped it in a vice(didn't have a rifle rest at the time) to mount my Hawke Airmax scope and Leaper's mount and there are no jaw marks on it. Some airguns with wooden stocks have been received with a crack in them but not with a synthetic one. It's ambidextrous and since I'm left-handed, that was a necessary feature.
As to the barrel and receiver, they are steel not polycarbonate or plastic. The barrel has a polycarbonate shroud around most of it and this eliminates the worry of rust on the barrel. The shroud includes the so-called suppressor and no, it's not very effective but since I don't shoot the ultra-light alloy(sound barrier crack) pellets or the heavy ones either, it's not a problem . I shoot pellets weighing 7.5 to 8.5 grams.
Now, the trigger. It's what Game calls SAT. It's no where near 'perfect' but at 74+ years old, I've been able to hit sqirrels both fore-hand braced but also just off-hand with no support. I have an aftermarket trigger but am in no hurry to install it as the rifle performs so well for main stock form.
I may not have covered everything so please ask if I may be of anymore help. Now, I haven't seen much less shot a Coweta but I'm sure it's a fine rifle but I wanted to offer another choice.
And, I paid $190 USD plus tax here in Georgia, USA. Don't know what one costs in Brazil or if they're available but I can recommend one like mine for sure.
Dan
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It's nice to hear the opposite side even if it seems emotionally amplified!
In the true world now and by leaving aside sentiments, personal preferences and prejudices things are different. Please care to take a look in this post from a well known UK airgun forum (dated from March 2012):
http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/126427-New-Gamo-is-dead (http://www.airgunforum.co.uk/forums/showthread.php/126427-New-Gamo-is-dead)
Just look at these pictures:
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/1.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/1.JPG)
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/2.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/2.JPG)
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/3.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/3.JPG)
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/4.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/4.JPG)
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/5.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/5.JPG)
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/6.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/6.JPG)
http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/7.JPG (http://martysport.free.fr/deadgamo/7.JPG)
This is the true nature of the "new" system, check and compare the elements with what you already have seen and know.
Is this "barrel pipe" or "tube" similar to other steel barrel configurations in other airgun brands? (even Chinese ones)
If you still support the opinion that this is a step forward in the ongoing developement of air rifles through time and represents TRUE PROGRESS then my dear friend I must state that you are wrong!
I leave aside the non-existent feature of adjusting the tension of the breech jaws (a very usefull and critical part of any serious brake barrel air rifle). The trigger unit is just what it is - the old "pseudo-two stage" design with all its disadvantages and limitations. Of course everyone can shoot this type of trigger with good results, this is not the question here. But if the same person shoots a real good 2-stage trigger (just once) he will immediately understand the difference and the qualities of such a trigger (safety, better control of each shot, tighter groups, easier technique).
Our friend who asked the initial question has testified that the market in his country provides limited options and prices are much higher. It's not like living in the States where airguns are plentyfull and prices are amongst the lowest in the planet for some products (due to the larger market). What if he is entrusted his savings in such a product and one day faces a similar problem? What will he do then? Do you think that is easy enough to find your own right in these countries and conditions? Please try not to judge with the criteria of a US citizen in US ground, this is not the case here. Consumer rights are not well protected and at end of the day you might find yourself with an empty pocket and a permanently damaged useless air rifle (we must always prepare ourselves for the worst case scenario).
In this kind of situations and environments QUALITY and RELIABILITY are the safest way to go with.
All airguns are mass production goods and anything can go wrong with a Cometa as with all others. This is true but it does not change the fact that whenever we have the luxury of choice we should ask for the best there is in the price we can afford.
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If I sounded "emotional ", I did not mean to. I stated facts as I found them relating to my purchase. I'm always skeptical of a purchase until I use it and if it performs as the manufacturer stated, then I made a good decision in buying it. I know my Gamo works ,even better than I anticipated.
I mentioned the suppressor didn't reduce the noise very much but---I've had no complaints from my neighbors and my wife doesn't hear it when she's inside. Heavier pellets might make even less noise.
It just seemed to me that Gamos weren't getting a fair shake so I offered my experience with one. No, I don't know how long it will perform splendidly but hey, I'm 74😊😊
And, flyer if there's a Walmart in your area, they might have a Bone Collector.
Dan
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Hello Dan !
Thanks for responding and talk a little about your experience with the Gamo.
Here in Brazil Gamo rifles are imported by a manufacturer and importer of airguns , called Rossi . They are responsible for various brands here in Brazil , for example : Crosman , Gamo , SAG , Cometa , Hatsan , Nokkistirling , Zoraki and Umbrex .
About your Gamo model , it seems that is not sold here. We have : Big Cat , XL , Hunter , CFR , CFX , Delta , Viper Skeet , Socom , Silent Stalker and Shadow, most in 5.5 caliber.
Rossi , as a manufacturer of gas ram, gives the option to buy most of the rifles imported by it , as with gas ram included .
Your model looks very cool , but , unfortunately , we do not have it here . About the price , let me guess , I think it would cost about the same as Silent Stalker, about 533 dollars . :-\
I envy you, just a little. :D
By the way , when You buy a rifle in the U.S. , normaly you get the standard scope from the brand. Here they take it out and sell the scope separately, as if it were a separate item ( anything to steal money from those who buy , welcome to Brazil ) .
I get all the prices in the exactly same site where the Flyer took the video, posted above your post : The shop calls Dispropil . It is the "best " shop / price here.
I ended up finding a video that has a review of some Gamo rifles with suppressor . The sound of gunfire was around 100-108 decibels . Bearable to be used near neighbors , as you said .
We cannot hunt in Brazil, so, I just need to hit paper, cans, metal and this kind of things. By the way, I love squirrels.
It is very good to know that you are knowledgeable on the subject of airguns and keeps shooting! You have more then the double of my age, but we like the same thing! ;)
I will keep my research here, looking for deals, hoping the comet back to stock 4.5 and etc.
Thank you again, Dan.
Taking advantage, thanks again for the reply, Flyer!
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If I sounded "emotional ", I did not mean to. I stated facts as I found them relating to my purchase. I'm always skeptical of a purchase until I use it and if it performs as the manufacturer stated, then I made a good decision in buying it. I know my Gamo works ,even better than I anticipated.
I mentioned the suppressor didn't reduce the noise very much but---I've had no complaints from my neighbors and my wife doesn't hear it when she's inside. Heavier pellets might make even less noise.
It just seemed to me that Gamos weren't getting a fair shake so I offered my experience with one. No, I don't know how long it will perform splendidly but hey, I'm 74😊😊
And, flyer if there's a Walmart in your area, they might have a Bone Collector.
Dan
My friend I have no reason to doubt your comments about the rifle and its performance. As long as it can please the owner everything is OK.
It's just that I have passed that phase many years ago and my choices are different. I managed to understand the fine qualities of a good air rifle and try to focus my interest in some specific models and brands - Gamo is not one of them. In fact I would think it over to accept it even if it was given to me as a present. The only exception would be if I ever came across an older model from the '70s or the '80s like these:
http://www.geektastic.plus.com/rifle/rifle1.jpg (http://www.geektastic.plus.com/rifle/rifle1.jpg)
http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8697618 (http://www.gunauction.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=8697618)
http://www.network54.com/Forum/405945/thread/1207857354/El+Gamo+model+600 (http://www.network54.com/Forum/405945/thread/1207857354/El+Gamo+model+600)
Something like that to remind me of my youth and the "glorious" past of this firm.
By the way, we don't have Walmart shops in my country and almost all airguns are sold only from registered firearm dealers.
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I shoot pellets weighing 7.5 to 8.5 grams.
What caliber? :D
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I shoot pellets weighing 7.5 to 8.5 grams.
What caliber? :D
Those weights would be .177's ;)
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Just to add my .02.....might wet some off but that's life.......I have owned a couple Gamo's and I own a Cometa (RWS94) in 177, also had a 22 cal. There is now way you can compare the newer Gamo's to anything ever offered by Cometa, Gamo is not even in the same class as Cometa. Older gamo's were kinda ok but in my opinion that's about it, others think they are gold. New Gamo's are over hyped, over bragged (by kids on YouTube) glorified plastic toys. Gamo's customer service is bad, can't order parts direct, etc., etc. I had a barrel shipped from Cometa for a gun I fixed and had it in 10 days for $45 to my front door.
If you have a new Gamo and like it, great! I hope it treats you well. But just because they claim some models are made in Spain don't assume they are in the same class as Cometa. For the price of some of these over hyped plastic guns...no matter the brand you could have a RWS 34, other good quality long lasting gun. My Crosman/Benjamin/China/Turk guns shoot good but in no way are as nice as a RWS, BSA, etc. but they cost less and are at least metal and wood.
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I agree with what JR said. Cometas, if available are better guns. But the pics of the broken Gamo are not what you should expect ofGamo (as you can clearly see that they are the result of someone pulling the trigger while the gun was cocked...) Any gun (and i mean any, HW included) will suffer great damage to their system with that kind of treatment. just because the gamo is covered with a polymer obviously it will crack. As per what is you best option... i say a Gamo. Is cheaper, easy to home tune even with little expertise, you can get a trigger sent from here, essentially changing the gun. And as you are only looking to shoot at around 40 meters, i would even go as far as recommending a weaker spring (or cut the original) to lower the power to around 10 to 12 fpe. with a 14.3 gr 5.5 mm pellet you are looking between 550 to 600 fps. Plenty for hunting accurately to that distance. And i bet anything that once tuned, a whisper in .22 will be a really stealthy gun, and easy to shoot. and then you can save some money to get more pellets...