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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Machine Shop Talk & AG Parts Machining => Topic started by: Desert Drifter on December 18, 2010, 03:37:04 PM
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I've been loyal to Crosmans Pellgunoil. Never had any complaints, good stuff. But I bought some a couple of days ago and paid $6.95 for a 1/4 oz. tube. That works out to be about $28.00/ounce. Sadly about 75 cents worth gets squirted out across my desk when ever I cut the nub of the spout. I've always suspected that it was on the lines of Automatic Transmission Fluid.
What are your maintenance routines for your pumper lubrication? What oil do you use.
'Drifter
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30 wt non detergent motor oil
Gary
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Mac1 Secret Sauce
https://mac1airgunstore.com/product_info.php?cPath=33&products_id=238&osCsid=2afa6ecb393f354b670ec340f9cb2044
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Air Compressor Oil, Hydraulic Oil, Lathe Spindle Oil, Air Tool Oil, Power Steering Fluid, 20-30W Non Detergent oil, Transmission Fluid they all work. From my first BB Gun at 12 years old (52 years ago) to my Sheridan .20 I bought over 37 years ago, I have use them all. And have never had a problem with any.
$2.50 or less a Qt. sure beats $896.00 a Qt.
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I use non-detergent 30wt motor oil. Silicone grease works well too.
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30wt oil, power steering fluid, 30wt silicone shock oil (for rc cars) I've used them all with good success.
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I've used 30W ND oil, 3 in 1 oil, ATF (contains seal conditioners), and air tool oil, as well as Marvel Mystery Oil. All have worked as well as Pellgunoil. Mac1s secret sauce would last a long time.
3 in 1 sells a 20W non-detergent motor oil for electric motors. Much cheaper than Pellgunoil.
Honestly, you could just get a bottle of mineral oil from the pharmacy section of your local big box store and do just as well. A 1qt bottle would last a lifetime or more. It's also great for oiling wooden cutting boards/chopping blocks.
You can put whatever lube you use in either an eyedropper bottle or in a pen oiler, to allow you to apply a drop at a time where you need it.
One of the benefits of mineral oil is that it doesn't stink like hydraulic oil of ATF. ATF works great but has a distinctive smell. Regular 3 in 1 oil has a bit of a smell too. They're not terrible, but not exactly neutral smelling either.
FP10 would work as well, and has a scent like cinnamon. Not overpowering, but pleasant.
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I use 30 wt non detergent motor oil
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30 wt nd motor oil
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what does "non detergent" mean? and whats bad about it? ???
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what does "non detergent" mean? and whats bad about it? ???
Automotive oils have detergents in them to keep combustion blow-by products in suspension until they either get caught in the oil filter, or are removed during an oil change. They are not needed in "non-combustion" applications such as air compressors, air tools, and of course Airguns.
Over long periods of time some detergents can turn the oil gummy.
Paul.
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Just remember, whichever you choose, you do not need more than a drop or two maybe every 1000 rounds.
pv
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Great points and information on lubes. Thanks
But another question. I can see one drop of oil per 500 rounds. But what about time. You could have a situation (like me) where you have a closet full of AG's and a gun could be put away well lubed but it might not see attention for a year or even longer. Seems like the lube could run off during this time.
Maybe one drop of oil per 500 rounds or one drop a year? Anyone have a take on that?
'Drifter
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ive got a quart of "chevron supreme sae 30" in my garage. it says its for gasoline and deisel engines. so since its auotmotive oil i shouldnt use it? how can i tell at a glance that it has detergents in it?
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It will clearly be marked don detergent or ND. It should be clearly and easily visible, or it is a detergent oil.
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[quote It will clearly be marked don detergent or ND. It should be clearly and easily visible, or it is a detergent oil.
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Correct.
Detergent oils have been specified for just about all internal combustion engine use for over 40 years now. Therefore, they don't bother to include that on the label. So, if it's an automotive oil, it's assumed to be a detergent oil.
Because non-detergent automotive oils are the exception to standard motor oils, those are labeled "non-detergent" in some form or other right on the container.
Paul
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ive got a quart of "chevron supreme sae 30" in my garage. it says its for gasoline and deisel engines. so since its auotmotive oil i shouldnt use it? how can i tell at a glance that it has detergents in it?
If you got Walmart in your place, they got it name brand is ACCEL..black container wth green sticker stating "ACCEL 30 wt non-detergent oil" I bought mine 5 years ago and use it on 4 of my co2 shooters and probably got 30 more years supply left in it.
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i just went to bi-mart today and stood around in their oil aisle for like half an hour looking for some nondetergent oil until finally the guy at the desk wasnt busy and asked me if i need help. i told him what i was looking for and what it was for. he looked at me like i was stupid and told me they didnt even carry nondetergent oil. he took me over to the gun cleaning section and showed me an entire row of different oils for guns. thats when i actually felt kind of stupid :P
so i bought some hoppe's lubricating oil, says its for firearms, fishing reels and all mechanisms. it comes in a 2 1/4 ounce bottle for three bucks.
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i just went to bi-mart today and stood around in their oil aisle for like half an hour looking for some nondetergent oil until finally the guy at the desk wasnt busy and asked me if i need help. i told him what i was looking for and what it was for. he looked at me like i was stupid and told me they didnt even carry nondetergent oil. he took me over to the gun cleaning section and showed me an entire row of different oils for guns. thats when i actually felt kind of stupid :P
so i bought some hoppe's lubricating oil, says its for firearms, fishing reels and all mechanisms. it comes in a 2 1/4 ounce bottle for three bucks.
The thing is its for powder burners, I would go with what the guys are saying. Airguns have seals that can be degraded with the wrong lubes
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i just went to bi-mart today and stood around in their oil aisle for like half an hour looking for some nondetergent oil until finally the guy at the desk wasnt busy and asked me if i need help. i told him what i was looking for and what it was for. he looked at me like i was stupid and told me they didnt even carry nondetergent oil. he took me over to the gun cleaning section and showed me an entire row of different oils for guns. thats when i actually felt kind of stupid :P
so i bought some hoppe's lubricating oil, says its for firearms, fishing reels and all mechanisms. it comes in a 2 1/4 ounce bottle for three bucks.
You most likely asked an employee that had no clue on what you are asking for. The one you got is for lubricating metal to metal lube and will break down your seals. The one you need is found on the rows of motor oils and looks like this >>
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I saw this same question about two years ago and one of the most recommended answers at that time was cheap automatic transmission fluid. I've been using that ever since and had good luck with it so far. It's even the right color: red! The reason so many recommended it was that atf is expected to act kindly to seals under the operating environment within a transmission. It made sense to me and I've been using it ever since.
joe
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(http://i729.photobucket.com/albums/ww292/MilliFlytrap/charlie20brown2.jpg)
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If your store doesn't have ND oil or doesn't know what it is, just get compressor oil. Most Walmarts sells ND oil but they ALSO sell compressor oil and air tool oil which both will work and are orderless. Or go to any "real" auto parts store like Napa, Discount Auto or what ever. I like Discount Autos clear power steering fluid. Get the clear orderless one in the white qt. container .
Remember Walmart employees aren't hired for there knowledge of the products there selling.
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You might look in the Lawn & Garden department. Most likely use for ND oil is in lawnmower engines. I got mine in the L&G dept at WalMart.
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u could always go with the paint ball gun oil its like 6 bucks a bottle about 5 times as much oil than the one u mentioned and its made for co2 or hpa its what i use on my co2s and my 1377 . extream rage paintball marker oil 1 fl oz
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i just went to bi-mart today and stood around in their oil aisle for like half an hour looking for some nondetergent oil until finally the guy at the desk wasnt busy and asked me if i need help. i told him what i was looking for and what it was for. he looked at me like i was stupid and told me they didnt even carry nondetergent oil. he took me over to the gun cleaning section and showed me an entire row of different oils for guns. thats when i actually felt kind of stupid :P
so i bought some hoppe's lubricating oil, says its for firearms, fishing reels and all mechanisms. it comes in a 2 1/4 ounce bottle for three bucks.
You most likely asked an employee that had no clue on what you are asking for. The one you got is for lubricating metal to metal lube and will break down your seals. The one you need is found on the rows of motor oils and looks like this >>
Went to WM today. Asked the gut stocking the motor oil isle where the ND oil was. He said they hadn't carried any in some time.
After he moved out of the way I found it with the other weights/types of ACCEL.
Thanks for the picture.