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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => Field Target Gates => Topic started by: woogie_man on September 04, 2013, 05:20:27 PM
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Hey guys,
Hey I am trying to find a rifle that I can use for these shoots. I currently have an FWB 300s that I really enjoy. Though I am not to sure if it would be a good rifle for these competitions. I am looking at getting another nice scope and all of the needed things, though I am not really wanting to go with the PCP route as I don't want to worry about the added cost of air tanks and hoses.
I have been looking at some of the single stroke pneumatics, and the possibility of using them. Though if needed would be willing to sell my FWB 300s to help fun the rifle and things as well. Been looking at the TX200 and been wondering how these shoot compared to the SSP rifles, and how they do on scopes as well.
If I am able to sell my current rifle, and then the funds that I already have, could have close to $1k for the set up. If I am able to get a PCP set up that I can use for both the FT side of things, as well as small pest removal, I would consider that as well.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Gotta agree with John. Just go to a shoot. I can almost guarantee folks will let you try a variety of their rifles and then you can get an idea what you like. First FT shoot I ever went to I shot a Benji Trail AW .22. Somehow I managed to hit 8 out 60. I then switched over to PCP for a couple years and now I shoot a TX at 12fpe.
A variety of rifles can shoot well in FT. It really comes down to what you like to shoot.
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I was looking at the different stocks and what not for the 300s and thinking about that option. Well have to see if there is any competitions around my area. Even just to watch, would be fun to see how things work.
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Issues that LOWER power guns have in FT / HFT are:
* enough power at range targets at to actually trip the release paddle when struck :P
* Really lousy trajectory profile requiring extream hold over correction generally much beyond 18-22 yards.
* Wind will really screw with you with a slow pellet >:(
Fwb 300's and many of the SSP guns are 10 meter guns and only shoot @ 6-7# power range with lighter 7-8 grain pellets.
** In Ft / HFT we have a 20# limit and while the PCP croud generally shoot 16-19+ pounds .... many of the spring guys are at LEAST 12# with most 13-15# power for the task of making enough power to trip the targets when struck, flatter trajectory & better wind bucking.
JMO ...
Scott
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So how much recoil dose the tx200 have? And what type of scope can be used?
I currently have a falcon 4-14x44 scope, would the tx destroy my scope?
Which would be better over all...the marauder or the tx?
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So how much recoil dose the tx200 have? And what type of scope can be used?
I currently have a falcon 4-14x44 scope, would the tx destroy my scope?
Which would be better over all...the marauder or the tx?
Personally have shot BOTH in HFT events ... different class for each,
Generally shoot my .177 M-rod in HFT at a 19+ power level with 10.3 pellets @ 910 fps.
TX is smooth enough, but not PCP smooth what so ever ! ..... each requires it's own discipline to be shot well, each can be shoot quite effectively. PCP is far easier ;)
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So how much recoil dose the tx200 have? And what type of scope can be used?
I currently have a falcon 4-14x44 scope, would the tx destroy my scope?
Which would be better over all...the marauder or the tx?
Recoil from the TX is not bad and I mounted a Hawke Eclipse AO 4 x 16 x 50 on my .22 cal TX200 MKIII
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So looking it would seem that the Tx200 would be far cheaper in the long run, and easier to shoot as well. I keep hearing people talk about the cocking effort of the rilfe....now it shouldn't be all that bad with the leverage arm being that long.
So now comes the task of selling my FWB300s and looking at buying a TX200 and a scope!
You guys are really bad men you know that. THANKS!
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So looking it would seem that the Tx200 would be far cheaper in the long run, and easier to shoot as well. I keep hearing people talk about the cocking effort of the rilfe....now it shouldn't be all that bad with the leverage arm being that long.
So now comes the task of selling my FWB300s and looking at buying a TX200 and a scope!
You guys are really bad men you know that. THANKS!
Naaa were all here to help ;D No problem I'm in the same bought my TX in .22 not realizing that the .177 is superior for competitive shooting. Now I love it and can't bring myself to sell to help pay for a quality .177 to compete with. Now I'm hoping to score a used AA Pro Sport before I order a new one from somewhere
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TX is smooth enough, but not PCP smooth what so ever ! ..... each requires it's own discipline to be shot well, each can be shoot quite effectively. PCP is far easier ;)
One will shoot higher score with a PCP but so will your competition. Open PCP class is by far the most competitive class in US Field Target. Springers have greatly declined in popularity. But is a lot of fun. I'm really enjoying my decision to leave the DARKSIDE and return to the springer promise land.
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woogie man. The TX 200 is a great FT gun, but do not that be the deciding factor for not trying a FWB300s in competition... I own a FWB300s tuned that shoots JSB 8.44 gr at 660 fps. It is a 8.1 fpe gun that still pushes 4.25 fpe at 55 yards, which is max range for a FT target. That is plenty of power for knocking down a paddled FT target. With a good scope (do not skimp here... it is more important than the gun), mine wears a 4-16 with a good, well calibrated AO, i can consistenly hit the far target on our HFT course. It has also done squirrel duty, knocking them dead out to 45 yards. If you already have it, use it... you will be fine, i promise. Make sure you found the pellets and weight it likes best... mine shoots the 8.44 in the same hole... but the 7.9 open up a bit. The 8.44 also help with wind issues, which is the hardest part to cope with. elevation issues are easily corrected, as drop is always a constant... learn to click or get a clear mil dot reticule. Your other option if you do want to trade rifles is to look for a RWS 54 (in either caliber). that rifle may be more familiar to use as you are already used to sidelevers.
Sfttailrdr... the TX in .22 is not a disadvantage. several guys at the club shoot .22 in FT and HFT, citing again the superior wind bucking properties of a heavier round. We have a very highly regarded shooter that uses a detuned RWS 54 in .22 shooting at, get this, 730 fps... and he runs the highest scores on piston guns, reaching sometimes the scores of Top PCP contenders. I have shot a .22 HW97K... great gun. even my own FT hw77k in .177 set at 13 fpe has trouble keeping up with them... but it is not the rifle's fault... come out and shoot with us at the end of Sept... at the brookhaven rifle range. come and see for yourself.
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I may get a scope for the 300s and if I do sell her can deal scope over.
Though it is always fun to get a brand new rifle, especially after seeing the pro sport! Just really wish there was a club here closer than 4 hours awayso I can try more of these rifles out.
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woogie man... make one man. you can't be the only airgunner in ND... not with all that room. All it takes is a couple of buddies and some targets... perfect excuse to hang out with your friends... tell the wife that they are in an official club meeting. I even convinced mine that the "monthly dues" are not just money to get new guns once on a while...lol
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woogie man. The TX 200 is a great FT gun, but do not that be the deciding factor for not trying a FWB300s in competition... I own a FWB300s tuned that shoots JSB 8.44 gr at 660 fps. It is a 8.1 fpe gun that still pushes 4.25 fpe at 55 yards, which is max range for a FT target. That is plenty of power for knocking down a paddled FT target. With a good scope (do not skimp here... it is more important than the gun), mine wears a 4-16 with a good, well calibrated AO, i can consistenly hit the far target on our HFT course. It has also done squirrel duty, knocking them dead out to 45 yards. If you already have it, use it... you will be fine, i promise. Make sure you found the pellets and weight it likes best... mine shoots the 8.44 in the same hole... but the 7.9 open up a bit. The 8.44 also help with wind issues, which is the hardest part to cope with. elevation issues are easily corrected, as drop is always a constant... learn to click or get a clear mil dot reticule. Your other option if you do want to trade rifles is to look for a RWS 54 (in either caliber). that rifle may be more familiar to use as you are already used to sidelevers.
Sfttailrdr... the TX in .22 is not a disadvantage. several guys at the club shoot .22 in FT and HFT, citing again the superior wind bucking properties of a heavier round. We have a very highly regarded shooter that uses a detuned RWS 54 in .22 shooting at, get this, 730 fps... and he runs the highest scores on piston guns, reaching sometimes the scores of Top PCP contenders. I have shot a .22 HW97K... great gun. even my own FT hw77k in .177 set at 13 fpe has trouble keeping up with them... but it is not the rifle's fault... come out and shoot with us at the end of Sept... at the brookhaven rifle range. come and see for yourself.
that is my plan right now and will probably bring the TX as a starter but still planning on the Pro Sport .177 as my B day present to myself for this year with the Hawke Eclipse 8 x 24 x 50 AO I like the feel of the TX and am considering that as a plan B in .177 also
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woogie man. The TX 200 is a great FT gun, but do not that be the deciding factor for not trying a FWB300s in competition... I own a FWB300s tuned that shoots JSB 8.44 gr at 660 fps. It is a 8.1 fpe gun that still pushes 4.25 fpe at 55 yards, which is max range for a FT target. That is plenty of power for knocking down a paddled FT target. With a good scope (do not skimp here... it is more important than the gun), mine wears a 4-16 with a good, well calibrated AO, i can consistenly hit the far target on our HFT course. It has also done squirrel duty, knocking them dead out to 45 yards. If you already have it, use it... you will be fine, i promise. Make sure you found the pellets and weight it likes best... mine shoots the 8.44 in the same hole... but the 7.9 open up a bit. The 8.44 also help with wind issues, which is the hardest part to cope with. elevation issues are easily corrected, as drop is always a constant... learn to click or get a clear mil dot reticule. Your other option if you do want to trade rifles is to look for a RWS 54 (in either caliber). that rifle may be more familiar to use as you are already used to sidelevers.
Sfttailrdr... the TX in .22 is not a disadvantage. several guys at the club shoot .22 in FT and HFT, citing again the superior wind bucking properties of a heavier round. We have a very highly regarded shooter that uses a detuned RWS 54 in .22 shooting at, get this, 730 fps... and he runs the highest scores on piston guns, reaching sometimes the scores of Top PCP contenders. I have shot a .22 HW97K... great gun. even my own FT hw77k in .177 set at 13 fpe has trouble keeping up with them... but it is not the rifle's fault... come out and shoot with us at the end of Sept... at the brookhaven rifle range. come and see for yourself.
that is my plan right now and will probably bring the TX as a starter but still planning on the Pro Sport .177 as my B day present to myself for this year with the Hawke Eclipse 8 x 24 x 50 AO I like the feel of the TX and am considering that as a plan B in .177 also
If your going to shoot it in FT / HFT .... nice as Eclipse's are, the full dot retical comes up short having no 1/2 dot reference :P.
Would do a Sidewinder 1/2 dot OR Night eye digital 1/2 dot for the ground glass floating reticle design.
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woogie man. The TX 200 is a great FT gun, but do not that be the deciding factor for not trying a FWB300s in competition... I own a FWB300s tuned that shoots JSB 8.44 gr at 660 fps. It is a 8.1 fpe gun that still pushes 4.25 fpe at 55 yards, which is max range for a FT target. That is plenty of power for knocking down a paddled FT target. With a good scope (do not skimp here... it is more important than the gun), mine wears a 4-16 with a good, well calibrated AO, i can consistenly hit the far target on our HFT course. It has also done squirrel duty, knocking them dead out to 45 yards. If you already have it, use it... you will be fine, i promise. Make sure you found the pellets and weight it likes best... mine shoots the 8.44 in the same hole... but the 7.9 open up a bit. The 8.44 also help with wind issues, which is the hardest part to cope with. elevation issues are easily corrected, as drop is always a constant... learn to click or get a clear mil dot reticule. Your other option if you do want to trade rifles is to look for a RWS 54 (in either caliber). that rifle may be more familiar to use as you are already used to sidelevers.
Sfttailrdr... the TX in .22 is not a disadvantage. several guys at the club shoot .22 in FT and HFT, citing again the superior wind bucking properties of a heavier round. We have a very highly regarded shooter that uses a detuned RWS 54 in .22 shooting at, get this, 730 fps... and he runs the highest scores on piston guns, reaching sometimes the scores of Top PCP contenders. I have shot a .22 HW97K... great gun. even my own FT hw77k in .177 set at 13 fpe has trouble keeping up with them... but it is not the rifle's fault... come out and shoot with us at the end of Sept... at the brookhaven rifle range. come and see for yourself.
that is my plan right now and will probably bring the TX as a starter but still planning on the Pro Sport .177 as my B day present to myself for this year with the Hawke Eclipse 8 x 24 x 50 AO I like the feel of the TX and am considering that as a plan B in .177 also
If your going to shoot it in FT / HFT .... nice as Eclipse's are, the full dot retical comes up short having no 1/2 dot reference :P.
Would do a Sidewinder 1/2 dot OR Night eye digital 1/2 dot for the ground glass floating reticle design.
Thanks I was thinking along those lines and am waiting on joe he got a great deal on a sidewinder
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Ok looking for a scope now. I have a large in my basement do plan on making a large elevation wheel as well as a paradox wheel. I already have a one piece 30mm mount for the rifle, now just need a scope to fit.
And wouldn't mind "blinging" out the stock with some cool paint, but don't want to ruin the factory stock. As well as the competition stickers that the previous owner used while over seas...........
What do you guys suggest as far as scopes....if used on a 300s, that would also be able to swap over to a tx200 some day?
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Yeah was just looking at a scope for the mount I already had. Though I know the mounts can be around 20-30, and that wouldn't break the bank my no means.
Well trying to find scopes now, and my head is sore. Though I just get a "yard wrecker" with an 8.66 grain pellet to the head, with the match sights at a range of 38 feet! Clean hit with no moves........ starting to think this rifle will do just find in the FT side of things.
Ok back again with more questions and what not. While looking at scopes I am finding the Nikko Stirling scopes especially the 5-20x50 scope. I am hoping that this thing will fit on the 300s. Now I do have a Falcon 4-14x44 sitting on my .22lr, though with that being already sighted in I really don't want to remove it if I don't have to. So what is the general thought on the Nikko scope?