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Airguns by Make and Model => Hatsan Airguns => Topic started by: Bill in SC on August 17, 2013, 08:21:56 PM
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Just seeking info from Hatsan owners as to how good the quattro trigger is. Thinking of buying a model 85 Sniper Vortex.
Bill in SC
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It's great. Nice and smooth.
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I think that they not so good. At least compared to various RWSs I've shot: RWS 350, RWS 48, RWS 54 & RWS 56.
I've owned 4 Hatsans with the Quattro trigger & still have 3. Two are still sorta stock. The only thing I've done to those two is replace the two forward adjusting allen head screws with longer ones (WARNING!). The other one has had some trigger work & I've installed longer screws. It's the best of the three. Still nothing like a RWS but a huge improvement. My first time doing any trigger work so it definitely could've been done better.
Not one of the Hatsans I/I've own/owned had what I would consider a decent trigger stock out of the box. The worst case was one rifle with a 6-8lb trigger pull! And, yes, it was that variable! The variability seems to be a common 'feature' of the Quattro trigger. At least of the 4 I've used. I now have all 3 rifles adjusted down to <2 lb but there's still variability in the trigger pull. Don't know how to get rid of it. It becomes more apparent at the lighter trigger pull weights because <2 lb suddenly becomes a hair trigger. Continues to do that for a number of shots & then returns to <2 lb. I've had that happen repeatedly on all 3 rifles in a shooting session so it isn't a behaviour that's isolated to one rifle.
All trigger pull measurements were taken with a Lyman digital trigger pull gauge using a slightly upward pull motion as that's how I pull the trigger & also because it results in a lighter pull. 3-5 pulls per test.
In spite of the trigger the Hatsans are still my favorite rifles. I'm even considering adding another one to my 'collection'. Another 125 Sniper. This one reman. It's calling my name. :-)
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I have 3x Webley Patriots, 2 of them Hatsan made and the triggers, one of them is a Quattro, are quite different to each other and they in turn are nowhere near as good as the English Webley Patriot, however I'd call the Quattro model accpetable for what it is,, that is,, an air gun as big and heavy as a truck. It's not perfect but it's ok. As stated above, they are certainly not in the same league as a Diana 350 or 470TH or the 34 that I have.
I just try to use any spring air gun for what it is. Not many of them have "good triggers", so I just use what's there and try to get used to it as quickly as possible...
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The Quatro is ok, AFTER it is cleaned up and reworked.
That said, it is not a great trigger by any means, and in stock form is unpleasant and unrefined.
These triggers just don't provide a precision feel when operating, and are so touch and go when it comes to reliability that they'll never gain an real reputation for performance. I'm convinced that aside from the usual Hatsan QC problems, the Quatro needs some redesign, specifically, the sear geometry needs to be altered a bit, if it is ever to be a really good trigger.
The Diana triggers are definitely much better triggers.
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Thanks for the replies. That may be the determining factor. I don't think there are any aftermarket triggers available for the Hatsans, are there? My Stoeger X20 had a "bad" trigger that I remedied with an aftermarket trigger. Fixed her right up. The Hatsan model 85 Sniper Vortex I have been looking at has all the features I have been looking for in an air rifle. Proper length and weight for me, sling swivels, Vortex ram, and magnum power. I'd hate for the trigger to be the deciding factor, with everything else being what I want in a rifle. Can anyone add any more insight as to just how complicated getting the trigger right on one would be? Thanks again.
Bill in SC
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Thanks for the replies. That may be the determining factor. I don't think there are any aftermarket triggers available for the Hatsans, are there? My Stoeger X20 had a "bad" trigger that I remedied with an aftermarket trigger. Fixed her right up. The Hatsan model 85 Sniper Vortex I have been looking at has all the features I have been looking for in an air rifle. Proper length and weight for me, sling swivels, Vortex ram, and magnum power. I'd hate for the trigger to be the deciding factor, with everything else being what I want in a rifle. Can anyone add any more insight as to just how complicated getting the trigger right on one would be? Thanks again.
Bill in SC
The Quatro is very easy to disassemble and reassemble. A general cleanup and smoothing will do a lot to help it out. It is not a "bad" trigger, compared to the Crosman B18/19 platform triggers its not bad at all, just not great, and very touchy if you modify the adjustment screws. If the trigger is your biggest concern about the rifle, I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker. I'd be more concerned about overall Hatsan QC and the good chance the rifle will need a full cleanup and tune.
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i like the trigger...then again i pretty much cut my teeth on a crosman phantom as far as break barrels go.
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Thanks for the replies. That may be the determining factor. I don't think there are any aftermarket triggers available for the Hatsans, are there? My Stoeger X20 had a "bad" trigger that I remedied with an aftermarket trigger. Fixed her right up. The Hatsan model 85 Sniper Vortex I have been looking at has all the features I have been looking for in an air rifle. Proper length and weight for me, sling swivels, Vortex ram, and magnum power. I'd hate for the trigger to be the deciding factor, with everything else being what I want in a rifle. Can anyone add any more insight as to just how complicated getting the trigger right on one would be? Thanks again.
Bill in SC
The Quatro is very easy to disassemble and reassemble. A general cleanup and smoothing will do a lot to help it out. It is not a "bad" trigger, compared to the Crosman B18/19 platform triggers its not bad at all, just not great, and very touchy if you modify the adjustment screws. If the trigger is your biggest concern about the rifle, I wouldn't consider it a deal breaker. I'd be more concerned about overall Hatsan QC and the good chance the rifle will need a full cleanup and tune.
I hadn't given Hatsan much thought until Gene_sc posted up a couple of weeks ago about how impressed he was with the internals of an 85 Sniper Vortex he was working on. I'm assuming, and hoping that the QC on the current new models has increased a lot. I may wait until after the fall airgun shows, in hopes that I might handle and shoot one before I make my final decision. I respect the knowledge of unbiased airgunsmiths who write reviews for us "consumers" to base our decisions on. Gene had two quotes that have been sticking with me:
"Ya Daryl, this is the best quality built Hatsan I have seen to date. I have torn down at least a couple dozen of them or more in the last couple years. If the quality was not there I would not make such a bold statement."
" Anyone that buys one of these will get there moneys worth and a great value to your collection as well. "
Bill in SC
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I have been very happy with the Quattro trigger on my 125. I didn't take the weight way down like a match trigger, and read some serious warning against backing out the screws too far. It's a tad heavy still, but it breaks super consistently for me. My own opinion - I like the Quattro plus nitro piston on the 125 a lot more than the aftermarket trigger on my Gamo Whisper.
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I've been happy with the trigger on my Hatsan 125TH
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Compared to the gritty stock NP Trail trigger that I recently sold, the Quatro works like a charm.
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I have a 95 and it is consistent and breaks clean, not a target trigger by any stretch of the imagination.
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I have a 135 .25 with what feels like a 10lb trigger. It's a shame because the rifle seems rather well made but I just can't seem to have any effect on the adjustments except for the length if the first stage.
Some days I can group at 50yds ( my local range) and others it looks more like a shotgun pattern. Ive read you can alter your finger position and it can lighten it up but it's hit or miss for me.
Probably have less than 300rds through it so I'm hoping it will smooth out a little but honestly I'll keep it even if it doesn't. It cost me 200 bucks and makes nice big holes!
It has a nice firing cycle and makes an awesome whizz and thwack down range with the jsb .25's
A 2 or 3lb trigger would make it truly outstanding.
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I have 2 Winchester rifles with the Quattro triggers.Both rifles are apx 5 years old or so.The only thing Ive done to them was a little polishing and adjusting of the pull.I have both right at the 3.8 to 4 lb pull according to my digital trigger scale.Again not quit as good as my Diana's but a very nice trigger.Maybe mine were made when they cared more about quality as the trigger was already highly polished and pretty smooth.None of the guts in the trigger were stamped out of cheap metal either.On some of the newer rifles like the hatsans i have seen look to be made ummm more cost efficient i guess. lol So id say you still cant go wrong with a good ole RWS.
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I recently purchased a Sniper 85 Vortex with the Quattro trigger. I liked my trigger straight out of the box from PA.
It compares very favorably with the nearly (backed off from) hair trigger pull of my modified Striker 1000S.
Either could possibly work better with a little polishing or smoothing ... I'm pleased with the Quattro trigger as-is.
As someone said .. they are probably getting more expert at what they do at the factory.
I would not hesitate to buy another Hatsan with a Quattro trigger ...
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I only shot maybe 30 round with the bone stock trigger, then I tore it down and polished it and readjusted it. Mine breaks at a clean 3lbs no creep at all and I'm happy with how it is. They might not be quite as good as some of the upper end gun triggers but way better than most up to the high price point guns. Even with a simple polish a good trigger can be made better.
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Does anyone know if there are any Hatsan tuners out there who could do something with the Quattro trigger?
I'm not comfortable taking it apart and would prefer to pay a professional to have it done right.
I really like the gun and would appreciate any help.
Thanks guys
Bill
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If your gun is not more than a year old ... you have the receipt ... and you haven't tried doing surgery internally on it -- Contact HatsanUSA, express your concerns, and see what they can do for you. They are pretty nice people. They very slightly reamed the chamber on one of mine, because it was just a little too tight. Shoots great now.
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Thanks I'll give that a try.