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Support Equipment For PCP/HPA/CO2 and springers ,rams => Optics, Range estimation & related subjects => Topic started by: Norm_m on November 27, 2010, 09:08:57 PM
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I'm not overly happy with the CenterPoint Scope that came with my NPSS and I am looking for ideas from all of you. Basically the scope works fine and I am getting nice groups but I dislike the AO which is on the objective lens. It is fine for target shooting but a real pain for hunting, having to reach all the way to the front of the scope and turn the adjustment till in focus. So my problem is do I want a new scope with a fixed AO or one with a AO but having the adjusting knob on the opposite side of the windage turret. Are the AO with the adjustment opposite of the elevation turret easy to use and quicker then the ones mounted on the objective lens? Seeing my longest shooting distance is 50 yards or so, do i really need a OA? Are scopes with a fixed 100 yard parallax OK with a shooting range of 10 - 50 yards? The following links are to a couple Leapers scope I am looking at:
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-5th-gen-3-12x40-rifle-scope-illuminated-mil-dot-reticle-1-4?a=3357 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-5th-gen-3-12x40-rifle-scope-illuminated-mil-dot-reticle-1-4?a=3357)
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-3-12x44ao-swat-rifle-scope-illuminated-mil-dot-reticle-1-4?a=2985 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-utg-3-12x44ao-swat-rifle-scope-illuminated-mil-dot-reticle-1-4?a=2985)
Any ideas, suggestion or links to other scopes would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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Hi Norm
I'll give you some thoughts on what your trying to achieve, based on what i've found that work and doesn't work, just my opinions, other will chime in. I would agree that AO's are irritating to mess with while hunting, although, to achieve perfect clarity in target, and some hunting scenarios, AO's are all but required. In most hunting scenarios though, a fixed 35 yard parallax scope such as the one made by leapers, a 3x9x40 ($the best $45.00 scope conceivable) https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-5th-gen-ts-platform-3-9x40-rifle-scope-mil-dot-reticle?a=2197 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/leapers-5th-gen-ts-platform-3-9x40-rifle-scope-mil-dot-reticle?a=2197) or the many custom configurations by leupold using any parallax yardage you order. The 100yard models will be fuzzy up close and will end up being less accurate than the models with parallax settings that are closer to your actual ranges. Because you have a hard kicking gun, you are limited to Hawke, simmons and swift air models, all leupolds and some bushnells, leapers, centerpoint and just a couple others. To make this simple, order the leapers model i mentioned and you'll be thrilled. It's an excellent scope for hunting scenarios and handles recoil well, while being lighter, brighter and less adjustable than what your using now. I'll also give my opinion that all the lighted reticule scopes are mostly a gimic, fun to play around with but add weight and cost to a scope, while actually creating glare on even the lowest setting when it gets dark. They would actually subtract time from your evening hunts if you had it on. You'll find that this is true and you'll never really need or end up using the lighted reticule much, imho. Hope this helps, J
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Bro try out sun optics their a fingertip lower on the glass than hawkes and air gun magum rated I bought 5 from paul d self for the price you can't beat that .sun optics is the same scope airforce makes for the condors and talons its the same company just named rebadged ,very clear glass I have two 2x7x32 and three 3x9x40 I maxed them out to see the clearity and compared to leapers and bsa and centerpoint and at infinity yrds still clear compared to leapers and centerpoint who were fuzzy .I did a review on the scopes on the review forum and I quote (these are the same scopes like airforce pyramyd air is selling for $150 so if you can't afford hawkes go sun optics.
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So my problem is do I want a new scope with a fixed AO or one with a AO but having the adjusting knob on the opposite side of the windage turret. Are the AO with the adjustment opposite of the elevation turret easy to use and quicker then the ones mounted on the objective lens? Seeing my longest shooting distance is 50 yards or so, do i really need a OA? Are scopes with a fixed 100 yard parallax OK with a shooting range of 10 - 50 yards? The following links are to a couple Leapers scope I am looking at
A fixed scope can work at shorter range, but you will probably either need to adjust it by changing the position of the objective glass (some scopes this is relatively easy to do), or have that done for you.
If you want a Side-Focus scope (often SF will show in the code name) which is what you describe, I have some in the price range you are talking. The convenience is that you can set the parallax yourself ad focus at short range clearly. I generally only recommend AO scopes for airgunning. You can get by with non-AO and adjustment and that may be fine. In my opinion just leaving a scope at 100yards parallax and 'getting by' that way is your least optimal choice.
If your longest shooting distance is 50 yards, and your shortest is 10, I think you will benefit a lot from AO. If it is between 40-50 consistently it won't matter nearly as much.
I've been starting to voice my opinion of Leapers based on my experiences. They will replace a scope, but for a fee now. However, I think they put in the fee to cover the actual cost of the scope because they had to fulfill the guarantee too many times. I would steer around Leapers.
Sun Optics scopes have representation here in the states. I had one here and can't seem to locate it. I think I put them aside for importing because I was not able to establish clear communications. That does not fault the scope.
I have the following:
3.5-10x40 AO SF Min 20yds
4-12x40 AO SF Min 15yds
4-14x50 AO SF Min 15yds
6-24x50 AO SF Min 10yds
4-14x50 AO SF FFP Min 10yds (FFP - Front Focal Plain)
I have other scopes but do not currently consider them as air-rifle tested.
I am considering dropping my prices slightly and making a donation to GTA with every purchase. So PM for prices.
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Thease scopes sound pretty good. Do you happen to stock, or can you get one that would be something in the range of: 3-12X40 AO SF Min. 10 yds. My inside range is 10 yards so I would need one with the 10 yrds min.
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I currently have all of those in stock. I would also be willing to make that Parallax adjustment to meet your needs. I haven't tried to see how close I can go, but I would try to cut the 15yd min focus in half, and that would give you some play. The 4-12x40 just came in this morning to restock, and I have the 3.5-10x40. One thing I left off... the 4-12 has an illuminated reticle. Let me know!
PS - not only is it my policy to give GTA members my lowest price, but I will also be donating 3% of the profit from all sales that come from GTA to the GTA site. Another way to give back to this fine community.
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3 of these interest me: the 3.5-10X40 AO SF, the 4-12X40 AO SF and the 4-14X50 AO SF. Are these all 1" tubes and what make are they? What is the difference between OS SF and AO SF FFP? What can you do for pricing and shipping to NH (03246). The 6-24X50 AO SF sounds very interesting, have you tried this one out?
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PMs may be better for this discussion. However the tubes are 30mm -- larger than 25.4 mm of the 1" variety. This lets more light pass. I include basic Weaver mounts with the scope, and can offer a nice mounting system (I call it mag-mount) for $40. With that you get low rings and an adjustable 11mm to Weaver adapter. The whole is about half the price of buying a comparable 1 piece mount, and it is much more flexible.
Shipping is free on orders over $70, and just $5 before that. It really just covers me when people order mounts -- which don't have much markup.
The 4-14x50 is my favorite. These scopes are made by Vector Optics, and are known as 'leupold clones'. Some actually make it to the American market with Leupold branding. I specifically import mine WITHOUT the Leupold branding to avoid confusion.
FFP differs from SFP scopes in that the FFP scopes will show a change in the magnification of the reticle as you zoom. FFP is First Focal Plain, and SFP (usually assumed) is Second Focal Plain. It refers to where the reticle is housed in the scope (mid, or aft). AO is Adjustable Objective, which can be objective focus, side focus, and the more uncommon ocular/rear focus.
Can you tell me where you saw OS? The only thing I have seen referred to as OS is optical stabilization, which would be more appropriate to photography.
I hope that helps!
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OK I am a little new here and not familiar with doing PM. I guess I need a little help
The OS was suppose to be AO but I had a little fat finger issue!
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To send a PM, Click the name (e.g., AirScopes) to the left of the post and on the page you arrive on scroll down to Send a Private Message (PM).
Glad it was AO and not OS as I felt a little stupid ;-)
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Sent a PM hope it worked
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So those chinese leupold clones of the mark 4 that are on ebay, they are marked leupold and look identical to the real leupold mark 4... those are really Vector optics? J
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The AO adjusts your parallax which is how much an object(Your reticule) moves from different angles. With this movement, since your reticule will change places with different angles, means you have to contact your cheek to the cheekpad at the same exact place every time to ensure best accuracy. AO is the best way to go because when you have your parallax adjusted correctly the reticule will not move from different angles providing less hassle and better accuracy overall. Of course you could go with a fixed 35 yard parallax adjustment, but that puts you in a wheelchair for shorter or longer distances. AO is my way to go!
P.S-If I am wrong with any of my statements someone please correct me
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I'd say your dead on Jman, i love my scopes pre set for close ranges but for the really long shots, you need an AO. J
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I was thinking about fixed AO for a while, but then realized that I shoot 70-100 yards just for the heck of it to see what I can do, and I really need that parallax. I also shoot in a 10 yard basement, and without being able to turn parallax down the image is really blurry and hard to see. Thats with a 100 yard parallax though I believe. Its a 4x32 gamo. I only have two AG scopes(Ones a Gamo 4x, the other is a Centerpoint 3-9x40), but if I had the money all of my powderburners would have AO scopes also. I just think its 10000x better once you get use to it!
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It really does depend on the gun it's going on and how far you shoot it. For example, the 25 yard preset parallax on the leupold 2x7 for the HW30 worked good because i'd never shoot that gun beyond 40 or so yards max. The 50 yard pre set leapers on my titan works fine from about 10 yards on lower power all the way out to 75+ on higher power so it works great on that mid range gun. On the marauder however, there was no way possible i'd have made the 110+ yard shot on a starling without a swift 6x24AO.. i literally watched his feathers fly from his chest when the pellet hit. No way i could have made or enjoyed that shot so much without an AO. J