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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: vanwall on June 18, 2013, 05:18:31 PM
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I just got back into Air Rifles after a 50+ year absence. I went to open a new tin of Crosman pellets and well I ended up using a strap wrench to hold the bottom. How do you all open the tins? Do I need to subscribe to a Charles Atlas course?
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I know, some of the tins are hard to open.
Just don't clamp too hard on the lid and they will come off fine.
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LOL.. I ended up having to mangle 1 tin with large Channel locks. The young guns in the shop next to me had no chance.
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I had the same problem with the screw-on lids. Ended up using pliers to mash-in portions of the bottom. Now the lid snaps on and off. Seems like they used Loctite on the threads. LOL
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Out of ten or so tins I've had to mangle one. Think I resorted to a screwdriver and a hammer.
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The plastic thing with teeth that's used to open jars works great. Use one with a long handle to give you more leverage
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Out of ten or so tins I've had to mangle one. Think I resorted to a screwdriver and a hammer.
Like I say in my signature " You repair things with tools, you FIX things with a hammer !"
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The technique I use is lay the tin flat on the palm of one hand and with the other palm push down and turn. or you could use the back over with vehicle technique that somebody posted awhile back ;D
Out of ten or so tins I've had to mangle one. Think I resorted to a screwdriver and a hammer.
Like I say in my signature " You repair things with tools, you FIX things with a hammer !"
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I had a freak tin the other day that I had to put in a vise and use a strap wrench on. It was crazy. I figured it was a fluke but I guess it is happening to others also. Those Chinese kids must be getting really strong screwing on millions of lids.
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Those thin rubber mats they make for women to get jar lids off work well, one top and one bottom.
My problem is lack of friction, the rubber takes care of that without a bonecrushing grip. Asymmetric pressure on the lid just makes things worse, binding it.
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Those thin rubber mats they make for women to get jar lids off work well, one top and one bottom.
My problem is lack of friction, the rubber takes care of that without a bonecrushing grip. Asymmetric pressure on the lid just makes things worse, binding it.
Exactly what I used. Works great.
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Sledge Hammer.... *grin*
Bob
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i have a pipe wrench and huge slip joint pliers handy. and when I get new pellets , the first thing I do is see how many have to have extreme force used on them. so far 3 tins of 177 and almost every tin of 22 were tight . its odd ive encountered more tight lids in 22 tins . mabe assembly line lid tightner machine is set to high on torque
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i hand it to my 16 year old daughter and say "open this honey".....lol
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Whats next ... sardine cans for pellets ?
(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4522782008740793&pid=15.1)
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Save the empty tin cans. I had to pry open a few tins with a screwdriver. The used empty cans became the home for the new pellets.
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I had the same issue a week ago. I tried the rubber jar lid pad but had to resort to a Swiss army can opener. I'm glad I hadn't thrown out all of my empties.
I have a couple of the little plastic boxes crosman used to sell with the belt clips on the back and the snap down lid. I wish pellets still came in those.
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I use the cloth gloves with the coat of plastic on the palm and it works very well.
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I just grunt, fart, strain, and cuss till I finally get it open, then chunk the tin in the trash and put the pellets in a Pellcan. They live out the rest of their days in luxury. ;D
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I still prefer the screw on lids to the ones that just pull off and dump all the pellets in the gravel driveway because I just picked up the can wrong. I've been known to swap JSBs and such from their (too easy to open) cans into empty Crosman cans. I'll use a sharpie to mark the can for its new contents.
Richard
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I open them like a paint can with a screwdriver. Careful prying and pretty frustrating indeed.
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I thought it was just me. ::)
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I had the same issue a week ago. I tried the rubber jar lid pad but had to resort to a Swiss army can opener. I'm glad I hadn't thrown out all of my empties.
I have a couple of the little plastic boxes crosman used to sell with the belt clips on the back and the snap down lid. I wish pellets still came in those.
Wow! You just gave me flashbacks. I haven't seen those plastic boxes in 30 years. They were white in color if I recall.
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Found this along with with my father's 880.
(http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i171/vanwall2490/Crosmanpellet_zps538eaaf9.jpg) (http://s72.photobucket.com/user/vanwall2490/media/Crosmanpellet_zps538eaaf9.jpg.html)
Check out the price!
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I keep a black one of those with my pellet pistol. Don't know if it has the kmart sticker or not though. Might.
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Funny but true post Vanwall. It is a retained strength exercise, isn't it? I'm like Richard...ditch the tin and put them in a good and wide, twist off Crosman tin. I also use a few old Rx bottles, for a variety of a couple hundred different ones, to carry in the guncase etc.
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FWIW, the Crosman Doomsday Bug-Out Kit (2289 multi-pump) includes an unlabeled, easy-to-unscrew tin of 175 CP Domes. The tin is standard-sized, and can hold all the pellets from tins destroyed with vice grips, screwdrivers, etc. That's another reason for owning the 2289, especially when it's on sale for $69.95. I just checked, and it's now selling for $74.95.
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one wrap of det cord and a blasting cap
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Give the lid a couple taps with the backside of a knife.
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I had this problem and used about every thing suggested here so far and none of them worked. I finally used 2 sets of large pipe pliers and it did the job but there was so much clamping done to the tins that it basically destroyed the tin for further use for what it was intended. Finally started dumping the pellets into used plastic veggie containers from Fresh Market and used sticky labels to denote what was in each container. I think I'm actually better off now because I can easily see what and how much is in each container and the lids just pop off with no real effort but stay secured when closed.
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Whats next ... sardine cans for pellets ?
(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4522782008740793&pid=15.1)
It's solved... 8)
Do you have to keep them in the frige?
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Expletives, many expletives.
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To open Crosman pellets I clamp the bottom securely (but not too tightly) in my bench vise. I then use a strap wrench on the top to break it loose. I do not open it, just break it loose. I then remove it from the vise and open by hand. Not all cans work equally well and you may want to save a "good" can to dump the pellets into.
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Air chissle PSI set to 100# cuts thru like knife thru hot butter ;)
WWR
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I have a couple of pieces of shelf liner cut into squares for just this purpose, and other jar lids. One on the top, one on the bottom, a little elbow grease, and twist.
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Whats next ... sardine cans for pellets ?
(http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4522782008740793&pid=15.1)
Been done for powder:
(https://wrigleyammo.com/eos/images/product/762x54r.jpg)
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When I get a stubborn tin I put it in the freezer for a few minutes, when it comes out it opens right up without issues.
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When I get a stubborn tin I put it in the freezer for a few minutes, when it comes out it opens right up without issues.
Going to have to try that one :D
WWR
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The very first tin I bought with my new rifle was not easy. I used an 18 inch pipe wrench and managed to save the container. The second one was easy. I guess it depends on which gorilla screws the lid at the factory.
I save the spent pellets in the empty tins. I don't want a bunch of lead in my backyard; so I am shooting into a box full of rags. Question: Does anyone have a suggestion as to what to do with the spent pellets?
Mike
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Just melt them down. I have a bit of a system for this, but you could probably just get an old preferably steel muffin tin, throw them all in and melt them on the stove top. Wood and other dirt will generally float to the top. Steel even floats on top of lead. Don't use it for muffins afterwards. You could also just hit them with a torch outside or in the garage which is probably healthier.
I'm pretty sure Crosman pellets aren't pure lead but are harder. Probably great for reloading except for black powder. Muffin tin ingots are much more compact and useful.
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Used pellets would be wonderful ammo for a blunderbuss ;D Now if only I had one.
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As has been said, the technique where you simply lay the tin on a solid horizontal plane (at waist height) and
put downward pressure with your palm, as you turn left (CCW) to open the can. One or two of those rubber jar opening pads can be used for better friction grip and will likely be necessary!
I have opened every can I tried, without ruining tin.......however CONSIDERABLE downward pressure is somtimes necessary.
PaperPunch1
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Used pellets would be wonderful ammo for a blunderbuss ;D Now if only I had one.
Never thought of that I could shoot them in my smooth bore flintlocks.
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Try putting the lid under the HOT water faucet. Heat up the lid and it just may spin right off.
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Once out of desperation in the field I took a knife to the tin. Now I solve this by not using crosman products. Too inconsistent. Shoddy craftsmanship. No passion. What's your two choice words for crosman products?
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Take it downrange and open it up. ;)
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last Saturday I had my cutting tip on my torch and cut a piece of pipe, was about to turn it off and seen a tin of cphps . I cut quick down the side and then poured them into another cphp tin. didn't mess up a single pellet. I had it in my tool shed and was gonna open it in the vice with a pipe wrench but good ol oxyacc did just fine
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Save the empty tin cans. I had to pry open a few tins with a screwdriver. The used empty cans became the home for the new pellets.
yup...i anticipate having a bad tin that needs to be "busted" open so i have many spares ;)
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When unsure use the universal tool. ;D
The largest hammer you can get a hold of, this will not only open the tin but has a tendency to relieve frustration as well ;D
Ed 8)
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Give the lid a couple taps with the backside of a knife.
+1 on this. After opening a couple of tins with channel locks I started to give the lid 3 or 4 taps around the edge and they open right up.
When I get a stubborn tin I put it in the freezer for a few minutes, when it comes out it opens right up without issues.
Wow! That must really weigh down your backpack. ;D
-Tal
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I have found that if tin is on table and you bump or move something so the tin falls on floor it will open on it's own. Tried that with an empty bucket to catch the tin..didn't work.
DT
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I use a butter knife when that happens. Welcome to GTA! The best air gun forum on the planet! That's a fact! ;)
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Once I open them I dump them in a pouch and them use them for targets
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Mostly just Crosman. Bench vise and strap wrench. Then I rub a little RIG, etc, on the lip before recapping. Must be something in the metal that is oxidizing and causing it to bind.
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Had the "joy" of this very experience yesterday after purchasing my 1st AR in decades (along with a couple tins of ammo). Didn't take long for the pocket knife to come to the rescue.
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I have used these:
http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/tools/Pliers-Vise/Vise-Grip/locking-pliers-irwin-vise-grip-12l3 (http://www.globalindustrial.com/p/tools/Pliers-Vise/Vise-Grip/locking-pliers-irwin-vise-grip-12l3)
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Whodaeverthunk that a thread about opening a tin of pellets would have run THREE pages long/strong?
LOL!
Bill in SC
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My second tin I've purchased is giving me some trouble. It isn't opening via conventional methods; heat, cold, bang the top, or shelf grips. I may have to use some of the suggested unconventional methods.
Perhaps a last ditch method would be cutting a small hole in the top so you can shake a pellet out and cover the hole with duct tape when not in use. :D
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Whodaeverthunk that a thread about opening a tin of pellets would have run THREE pages long/strong?
LOL!
Bill in SC
Agreed... I do it like this... (Its a video, click it) ::) ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Air%20guns/th_Openingacrosmanpelletcan001_zpsc5949bb7.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Air%20guns/Openingacrosmanpelletcan001_zpsc5949bb7.mp4)
CW
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I still prefer the screw on lids to the ones that just pull off and dump all the pellets in the gravel driveway because I just picked up the can wrong. I've been known to swap JSBs and such from their (too easy to open) cans into empty Crosman cans. I'll use a sharpie to mark the can for its new contents.
Richard
THIS!!!
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Whodaeverthunk that a thread about opening a tin of pellets would have run THREE pages long/strong?
LOL!
Bill in SC
Agreed... I do it like this... (Its a video, click it) ::) ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Air%20guns/th_Openingacrosmanpelletcan001_zpsc5949bb7.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Air%20guns/Openingacrosmanpelletcan001_zpsc5949bb7.mp4)
CW
LMBO!
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That's a pretty good technique
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Whodaeverthunk that a thread about opening a tin of pellets would have run THREE pages long/strong?
LOL!
Bill in SC
Agreed... I do it like this... (Its a video, click it) ::) ;)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Air%20guns/th_Openingacrosmanpelletcan001_zpsc5949bb7.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v465/CWLONGSHOT/Temp%20stuff/sporting%20pics/Air%20guns/Openingacrosmanpelletcan001_zpsc5949bb7.mp4)
CW
I just got a tin that I'd like to see you make a video like that while trying to open it... :)
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i already know from experience that when i come home with some tins of crossman pellets i go right to the bench vice, secure the bottom of the tin snugly then unscrew the cap. wonder if they are vacuum packing the pellets.
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I have found to hold the bottom of the can with a rubber pad, and the higher you grab the top the better. Try not to squeeze the top were the threads are, but grab it right at the top edge.
Hope this helps,
Jon
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I have yet to experience any stubborn cans but will reference this if/when it does happen. I did want to mention though that the little white belt clip containers are still around in a slightly different form....Crosman sells their slingshot ammo in small black cases just like the old white ones. Makes you wonder why they use those for sling ammo but use the tins for pellets. Wonder if its a cost thing or to make labeling the different pellets easier with the larger tins to print on.....either way I have bought several packs of ammo just for the cases(I give the slingshot ammo to my dad as he enjoys plinking with a wrist rocket and needs to get out of the house more) and I label them with a piece of masking tape and a sharpie. I've also started using the small Plano boxes with multiple compartments to keep pellets organized and to have multiple pellet options all in one place.
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I unscrew the top duh what is this a resees cup commercial ? How do u eat your reeses cup ?
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As luck would have it, I just got a tin that had been nailed in the back enough to smash it the threads. Far too deformed to ever unscrew. Should have inspected the package, next time.
Ended up peeling the metal apart, but at least I knew there was indeed no alternative this time.
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Well fortunately I have never encountered a can of crosman pellets that has given me the problems that I have seen outlined here. But I must admit that I haven't bought that many cans, having mainly bought the pellets for the container so that I could store my good pellets in containers with screw on lids, having a shortage of webley wasp tins. But I will keep all these techniques in my file of useful info in case it comes up. Thanking you gentlemen for the info for having posted this I am now sure that the situation will come up. ???
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Those Ice Breaker mint plastic containers work great to put your pellets in peel off the label and use a sharpie to mark what in it ,and what gun likes 'em / they open up half the top or a small opening to shake out single or just a few ;)~~BS
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Just thought I'd post up to say my first tin was really hard to open but my second tin opened with almost no effort at all. I am starting to think maybe it depends on how they handle the tins. My theory is if the tins get dropped... then they become a bear to open. My 2nd and 3rd tins have been a snap to open.
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Those Ice Breaker mint plastic containers work great to put your pellets in peel off the label and use a sharpie to mark what in it ,and what gun likes 'em / they open up half the top or a small opening to shake out single or just a few ;)~~BS
Wouldn't have thought of that so big thanks for sharing. And the other benefit is you should be shooting with minty fresh breath too. Lol
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When in doubt use whatever means necessary
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/P-38_Can_Opener.jpg/800px-P-38_Can_Opener.jpg)