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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: stalwart on May 25, 2013, 10:38:04 PM
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There is a bewildering array of rests out there, and I need to get something decent... yesterday.
This will be for AG/rimfire only, and I'd like to keep it under $100, unless there is a clear winner near enough to that price point.
What do you guys use, and what is your opinion of it?
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Do you want one for home, for taking to the field? One that can be used for both? I use this one in the field, but it will definitely work at home. Easy to set up, take down, has a carry strap. Lots of adjustments and very stable
http://www.inventorycheap.com/caldwell-488-000-deadshot-fieldpod.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&utm_content=pla (http://www.inventorycheap.com/caldwell-488-000-deadshot-fieldpod.html?utm_source=googlepepla&utm_medium=adwords&utm_content=pla)
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It will be for home only.
I can mount it to the bench, if that will help.
I'm just getting into precision target shooting, and don't want to do this twice. I don't know enough yet, but this is the kind of rig that seems to have all I need, and no frills. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
http://www.amazon.com/Primos-Therapy-Anchor-Adjustable-Shooting/dp/B00BD55K9M/ref=pd_sbs_sg_26 (http://www.amazon.com/Primos-Therapy-Anchor-Adjustable-Shooting/dp/B00BD55K9M/ref=pd_sbs_sg_26)
That's a nice setup you have.
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That will definitely work, but if you want that type of rest, look around. There are lots of them that don't have to be mounted to your bench. In the end, it's what works for you. Good luck in your search
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Thanks, Rico. If I had to move it around, or set up a stand... yours looks perfect.
As soon as I'm sure I'm not overlooking a needed feature, I'll shop the heck out of the contenders. There are a lot of choices, in every style.
Is there anything I should be looking for, that the example rig doesn't have? Some strap, some clamp, and some look like robots...lol. I'm only guessing I won't need all that for (nearly) recoiless guns.
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You could always build your own, like this...........
(http://i864.photobucket.com/albums/ab204/JodiTony07/IMG_5644.jpg) (http://s864.photobucket.com/user/JodiTony07/media/IMG_5644.jpg.html)
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That's gorgeous, but I'm pretty sure my mill won't take stuff that big...lol.
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Some of the rests have straps to hold your gun down, but if you're only shooting rimfire and AG's, you shouldn't have to use the strap. Almost all of the rests have all the adjustments you need, vertical and horizontal. Some are easier to adjust than others.
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That's one thing I like about the example... the elevator wheel is huge.
You know... shopping is a lot more fun with some expert back up. Thanks.
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It definitely looks nice and solid. I see the shipping weight is 20#. Once you set it down, I don't think it's going to be moving around much. Have fun shopping.
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The link you gave me has it at a great price, but it's out of stock. Everywhere I see it, or clones, at a better price is also out of them. They're selling.
I find the shipping weight a bit comforting. Pics can only show so much.
I'm going for it. I sure appreciate your time, Rico.
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For rimfire and AG, just buy the MTM CaseGard Rifle Rest and let it go at that. It will provide a solid front rest, and can be used for handguns as well. You don't need to spend more than $40-$50 to get a good functional rest.
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True.
I looked over a lot of front rests and rear bags, and figured the real advantage to them is portability. The costs are somewhat better, but I'm budgeted for more. I'm at a point where I can have a stationary set up close by, so there is nothing to be gained by being able to break it down.
I'm also rather deeply into a pistol project that I'd like to bench, too. As the example is framed in box tube, and I'm equipped to work it (and stocked up), I can make mods and fixtures for this design.
My shooting table is in planning, and I can put metal pockets in the surface that would allow the feet adjustments to be locked and left alone. It would always index.
It's on it's way. ;D
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Show us some pics when you get everything set up
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Eric, I made mine out of a old scissor jack I had. Works great. That is the shooting bench I also made with spotting scope. Easy to make. Hope this helped. Craig
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk241/glassman74/Air%20Guns/RestLow.jpg) (http://s282.photobucket.com/user/glassman74/media/Air%20Guns/RestLow.jpg.html)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk241/glassman74/Air%20Guns/RestHigh.jpg) (http://s282.photobucket.com/user/glassman74/media/Air%20Guns/RestHigh.jpg.html)
(http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk241/glassman74/Air%20Guns/IMG_0980.jpg) (http://s282.photobucket.com/user/glassman74/media/Air%20Guns/IMG_0980.jpg.html)
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Eric, I made mine out of a old scissor jack I had. Works great. That is the shooting bench I also made with spotting scope. Easy to make. Hope this helped. Craig
That is a great idea! The gun would have to be pretty heavy (tons) to make that wobble. I'm constantly amazed at the ingenuity of folks here.
How far are you shooting?
Show us some pics when you get everything set up
Bet on it. Thanks for checking my homework.
8)
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Not sure if you had mentioned what type of AG you are shooting. Some spring airguns do not shoot well with some gun rests or bi pods. For a spring airgun you may need a good bag to use the artillery hold. JMO
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Here is the one I bought but was able to get it for $99 delivered last year. You may be able to find it cheaper than at this link. Great portable bench and swivels as well!
http://www.basspro.com/Big-Game-Treestands-Swivel-Action-Shooting-Bench/product/101778/?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions&om_mmc=shopping_googleproductextensions&kpid=101778 (http://www.basspro.com/Big-Game-Treestands-Swivel-Action-Shooting-Bench/product/101778/?hvarAID=shopping_googleproductextensions&om_mmc=shopping_googleproductextensions&kpid=101778)
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JMO, but unless you are just trying to see if your firearm has absolute repeatability for accuracy, locking your gun in a vise doesn't do anything for developing shooting skills. You may as well lock it in and move the target around until you hit the POA, the result will be the same. Additionally, as has been said, most springers will not do well unless they are allowed to move around a bit to allow the harmonics of the barrel to do their thing, which will tend to tighten your groups. That is why the artillery hold is so effective. Your skill level will begin to be refined at the same time as you learn the best techniques for breathing, cheek weld, and trigger pull. PCP's and PB's can be locked down with little adverse affect; but again, is that really shooting?
pv
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dang...some really good rests and great ideas.
the advice about springers and solid rests/bi-pods is great, too, IMO...PCP's work great off of almost any rest.
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Eric, I made mine out of a old scissor jack I had. Works great. That is the shooting bench I also made with spotting scope. Easy to make. Hope this helped. Craig
That is a great idea! The gun would have to be pretty heavy (tons) to make that wobble. I'm constantly amazed at the ingenuity of folks here.
How far are you shooting?
Show us some pics when you get everything set up
Bet on it. Thanks for checking my homework.
8)
Eric, I shoot out 100yds at home with this set up. Craig
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I built mine for well under $100.
It serves as a shooting bench and work table.
Plenty of room off to the side for air tank or a chronograph.
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Hey guys, I realized this may be a really dumb question on my part, with a forehead slapping "Duh" answer,...
...but can someone explain to me why a fancy table top type of rest , works any better than a good forearm mounted bipod and rear sandbags ?
I suppose I can understand it if we are talking about a rifle that does not, (or can not) be fitted with a forward sling stud or weaver base plate, but other than that, I'm drawing a blank as to what any real advantage might be.
School me please, ... and don't be afraid to send me that forehead slapper, hahaha !
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Hey guys, I realized this may be a really dumb question on my part, with a forehead slapping "Duh" answer,...
...but can someone explain to me why a fancy table top type of rest , works any better than a good forearm mounted bipod and rear sandbags ?
I suppose I can understand it if we are talking about a rifle that does not, (or can not) be fitted with a forward sling stud or weaver base plate, but other than that, I'm drawing a blank as to what any real advantage might be.
School me please, ... and don't be afraid to send me that forehead slapper, hahaha !
Well for me, I use a rest that completely supports the gun (one reason my bench is so big).
By doing this, the only human part that touch’s the gun is my trigger finger and cheek weld. Both are very light.
This keeps almost all body movement from the gun.
Shooting with a bipod and/or a bag (or two bags) will still have a good chance to have body movement (heart beat, breathing) on the gun.
Yes, when hunting or walking about this method doesn’t work so well. But still I use whatever is handy (tree, fence, car, hay bale…..) for support.
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"Eric, I shoot out 100yds at home with this set up. Craig"
Yeah, when I saw that spotter, I figured either your eyes are as old as mine... or, I should get jealous... quick. I am, now. ;D
I'll be running a lot of tests. My springers won't be needing this, but I bought a AR 2078 (project... nearly running) and a QB79 from Mike that I'm using to play with Marlin Micro Groove barrels. I need the cleanest data I can get, especially as I get into choking, and watching my heartbeat in the scope (and ruining nice groups with bad timing) not worthy.
I have to eliminate myself, as much as possible, as a factor in all this. I like building as much as shooting, and figure a tethered gun, on a solid platform, will give me some isolation from my (predictable) Operator Error, pressure variables, etc.
There are so many facets to this hobby... and good people here to enjoy them with... boredom is my last worry here.
8) Thanks, guys.
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The best rest $10 can buy you HANDS DOWN. I use it for my P rod carbine and it's as good as it gets. You can mold your self and the gun into it! (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/TDubleDs/Adventures%20in%20airgunning/101_1772_zps3c794456.jpg) (http://s471.photobucket.com/user/TDubleDs/media/Adventures%20in%20airgunning/101_1772_zps3c794456.jpg.html)
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That is an innocuous little sniper's nest you have there. I'll bet it works well... comfy, too.
The Primos rest I ordered will take an extra week to get. I paid full pop ($90), as the $55 deals were sold out everywhere. Then I ran across the Winchester at Walmart ( http://www.walmart.com/ip/Winchester-Gun-Rest-and-Vise/16662951 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Winchester-Gun-Rest-and-Vise/16662951) ). I figured I'd try it, and cancel the Primos. If it isn't enough, I'll have something to at least use while I wait for the restocked Primos at decent prices. For a few bucks more, I'd have both.... and the Winchester could be modded into a sleek workbench gun vise by stripping out all the adjusters, and welding it in a couple places.
This one will also be fun to mod, and at $30 I couldn't even begin to cover my shop time to dupe it. I especially like that it can be used, intact, as a vise. I have a couple minor mods in mind, I'll pop some pics up when it's done.
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I bought this one a few months ago and love it. It folds up pretty much flat and comes with a decent carrying bag. The foam rollers that the front of the gun rests on even works well with my springer. Nothing else has ever worked but an artillery hold, but the rollers let it move quite easily.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Shooting-Accessories/Benches-Rests|/pc/104792580/c/104769180/sc/104212080/Timber-Ridge-Shooting-Bench/1134794.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-shooting-accessories-benches-rests%2F_%2FN-1100226&WTz_l=Unknown%3Bcat104212080 (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Shooting/Shooting-Accessories/Benches-Rests|/pc/104792580/c/104769180/sc/104212080/Timber-Ridge-Shooting-Bench/1134794.uts?destination=%2Fcatalog%2Fbrowse%2Fshooting-shooting-accessories-benches-rests%2F_%2FN-1100226&WTz_l=Unknown%3Bcat104212080)
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I'm almost embarrassed to tell you all what I've been using.
I have my motorcycle lift with a wooden box full of cast iron pots and pans on ratchet straps on top of that.
I made a frame with 2X4's to hold a paint roller for the front rest on top of the box.
Near the back a chopped up dual plunger thing like you use for caulking is attached for my rear rest.
I call it FrankenStand.
;D
I have it tore down right now but I'll put it all back together and get a few pictures.
(Have to wait till the Wife leaves on the Make a Wish trip)
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I'm almost embarrassed to tell you all what I've been using.
I have my motorcycle lift with a wooden box full of cast iron pots and pans on ratchet straps on top of that.
I made a frame with 2X4's to hold a paint roller for the front rest on top of the box.
Near the back a chopped up dual plunger thing like you use for caulking is attached for my rear rest.
I call it FrankenStand.
;D
I have it tore down right now but I'll put it all back together and get a few pictures.
(Have to wait till the Wife leaves on the Make a Wish trip)
What works, works!
I use a set of Caldwell bags (the cheap ones) filled with plastic pellets for springers or my PCPs. Or sometimes I use a bipod on a PCP.
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The best rest $10 can buy you HANDS DOWN. I use it for my P rod carbine and it's as good as it gets. You can mold your self and the gun into it! (http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr77/TDubleDs/Adventures%20in%20airgunning/101_1772_zps3c794456.jpg) (http://s471.photobucket.com/user/TDubleDs/media/Adventures%20in%20airgunning/101_1772_zps3c794456.jpg.html)
A Shoot-N-Nap(TM)!
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The Winchester rest came. It is a great deal for the $, but will need some mods to make it fit my needs.
The vise is surprisingly effective, the F bean bag is actually quite decent, and it is solidly constructed (given that it can be broken down). It can be adjusted to almost mortar angles, though, and that capability makes the design a bit flexible. It will work fine as is, for what it is meant to do... but, I want something I can run rounds through quickly, with as little need for settling in between shots as possible. Eliminating the gross adjustment (ratcheting rack?) will allow me to mate the 2 sections (cradle/base) with far more rigidity. The fine adjustment's ranges are more than enough for my needs.
I'm quite happy with the value. I couldn't collect the parts to dupe it for less, and just the vise would take more shop time to fab than the whole rig cost me.
I'll stare it it for a bit (there's a few ways to do this)... then begin the butchery. I'll post what I come up with... at least for the laughs.