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Airguns by Make and Model => Crosman Airguns => Topic started by: Reflexion on January 25, 2013, 12:16:32 AM
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Ok these are three I'm looking at for a cheap but reliable plinker
The AM77 Ive read is pretty accurate and on sale refurbed for 40, and comes wih a scope!
I'd have to add a stock to the 1377, which would put it over 70
And the daisy is 45 shipped from amazonian
I'm most concerned about getting the most out of the box performance and accuracy for the $
Would the refurbed am77 be the best choice?
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I have not dealt with the am77 but I have a 1377 and a daisy 880. Plinking is fun with the 880, it is accurate and I have taken several nutters with it out to about 20 yards.
The 1377 is better built. Plinking is also fun with it but the 880 is easier to pump and shoot. To be fair my 1377 has a flat top piston and valve ( making it harder to pump) and I am not as good of a shot with a pistol. I have taken nutters and rabbits out to 25+ yards with y open sighted 1377.
Cheap plinking fun 880. (Throw away gun)
Cheap plinking fun that is highly modifiable and well built 1377.
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You might want to look at the Crosman Bug Out Kit, Walmart sells them for $87, and no shipping if you pick up at the store. It comes with the Crosman 2289 (.22 version of the 1377) pump pistol, a removable shoulder stock, 500 pellets, water bottle and a backpack to hold it all. The pistol has a better fore grip that will make it easier to pump. The 1377/1322 and 2289 are very accurate and upgradeable, if you wish to do that later. The 2289 has a 12" barrel and should be even more accurate.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Doomsday-Bug-Out-Survival-Kit/21311833 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Doomsday-Bug-Out-Survival-Kit/21311833)
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Hmm that doesn't look like a bad option. A little more then I'd like to spend, and the barrel is a little loose. But I like that it's a 22, and the design. Hmmm!
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You might want to look at the Crosman Bug Out Kit, Walmart sells them for $87, and no shipping if you pick up at the store. It comes with the Crosman 2289 (.22 version of the 1377) pump pistol, a removable shoulder stock, 500 pellets, water bottle and a backpack to hold it all. The pistol has a better fore grip that will make it easier to pump. The 1377/1322 and 2289 are very accurate and upgradeable, if you wish to do that later. The 2289 has a 12" barrel and should be even more accurate.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Doomsday-Bug-Out-Survival-Kit/21311833 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Crosman-Doomsday-Bug-Out-Survival-Kit/21311833)
I think it's 125 pellets, but CPHP's are only $9/500 at walmart, or the Discovery sampler pack that's like $7.50ish/400 there
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Who has the AM77 refurbs? I couldn't find any in stock anywhere. Thanks!
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Who has the AM77 refurbs? I couldn't find any in stock anywhere. Thanks!
http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/remington-am-77-reman/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/remington-am-77-reman/)
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Who has the AM77 refurbs? I couldn't find any in stock anywhere. Thanks!
http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/remington-am-77-reman/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/air-guns-air-rifles/remington-am-77-reman/)
Thanks!!
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I've read it's pretty much identical to the c2100
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From your list, Best out of the box plinker = AM77 /2100 (same gun in different colors)
(have not handled the Daisy, but am still shooting my 766, original version of the 2100, after 33 years)
Points where it surpasses the 1377, I own 3 1377's,
More power per pump..
For example with 7.0 grain .177 RWS Basic pellets,
My internally modified 1377 gives 415 fps @ 3 pumps and 570fps @ 8 pumps
My 766 w/still untouched factory internals, 501 fps @ 3 and 662 fps @ 8 pumps, and the pumping is easier.
Accuracy, "out of the box" also goes to the AM77/2100.
Simple, Rifle vs pistol. Both have rifled Crosman barrels.
I love my pistol configured 1377's, they are very accurate ...for pistols.
Maybe with lots of mods (on the 1377),
internal to boost power $$$,
and Longer barrel $$$,
and shoulder stock $$$ and
steel breech $$$ ... so you can mount scopes or redot or peep type sights,
you can eventually surpass the un-modified AM77/2100* accuracy. ...
But "out of the box" the AM77/2100 will accurately reach out further, stock.
*Comes stock with 3/8" dovetail mounting for other types of sights.
Both 1377 and 2100/AM77 need a little trigger work to be the best they can be.
The 1377 trigger is easier to optimize.
Because, of the rifle vs pistol, sort of not a fair comparison.
The 1377 is a great value and lot'o fun .. for a pistol.
But for your original question...
No doubt, the 2100 or AM77 is "best out of the box" plinker.
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it is... if you can get one for that cheap, buy it. The 2100 platform is very accurate and responds well to tuning. it also provides the best ergonomics of the group. As a second i would choose the 880, especially if you can find an older one that is made in the usa. great plinker with the power to do pest no problem. Both will benefit greatly from a cheap 4x32 and provide very good hunting/pesting/plinking platforms. The 1377 is great. But not a rifle. not even with the stock on. (i am not biased, i own 3 13xx based pistol/carbines... and 1 766 (2100 daddy). Just shoot one more than the other 3. Also have the 880 but in .22 (822)... shoot that one more than the other 3. But those are really hard to find, specially with a wood stock and metal receiver. if you want reliable, forever pump up look into a refurb or used benjamin 397 or 392.
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... wow daysailer... is like we were typing the same at the same time... deja vu!!!
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I've had 1377's and love them, yet the 880 is my ( quick grab-n-go ) for stupid shooting. Like neighbors dogs, it is nice for the face that I'm not going to put anyone's dog in the hospital. Plus it's sort of a repeater ( with bb's ). Clean the barrel and POW you got a cool little pumper. All that said I know nothing of the AM77
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AM77!
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa347/NPetey/2100011.jpg)
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Still not sure if I should go with the lighter and easier cocking 880, or the am77
Thx for the responses guys
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With regards to cocking effort the Am77 is as easy as it gets. Four shoulder surgeries tells me so. ;)
Good luck & Happy shootin!
Petey.
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.....the 880 is ............ Plus it's sort of a repeater ( with bb's ). Clean the barrel and POW you got a cool little pumper. All that said I know nothing of the AM77
2100, 766, has a bb magizine for 'sort of' repeater too.... probably isnt good for the rifleing though.
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i tried a 880 , i didn't trust the plastic receiver to hold a scope as secure as the metal one on the 77/2100 . i took it back and got the 2100 from wally world for a few bucks cheaper than the refurb AM77 with shipping . the 2100 also has a shorter pumping stroke than the 880 and (for me) it made pumping more comfortable . the pump arm on the 2100 also felt more durable than on the 880 .
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the 880 is infinetely easier to pump, as the pump does not seem to build back pressure, unlike the crosman. I have both and i can vouch for that. The flimsy pump arm on the 880 is not weak by any stretch of the imagination... is just that, very flexible. As per rifling... the 2100 will eventually get damaged from using BBs... the 880 has what they call a "dodecahidral" barrel (essentially 12 lands...) but they are very fine and seem to be very resilient to BBs. Mine shoots both accurately, but the pellets will obviously group better specially at distances. Either one will do... i trust both but the 880 (or its cousins) are lighter to the shoulder, and have better open sights... why not get both??? if you dont like one of them post it on the classies...
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I had my AM77 (tuned) out for some paper punching yesterday - consistent 14 yard single ragged holes!
I have it scoped with a Crosman 4x32 scope... one of the highest accuracy/cost rifles in my cabinet (if not the highest). Love that little rifle - plasticy as it is. 8)
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Well my local wally world has the daisy 880 for 45 dollars, but no crossman 2100
I wonder how accurate it is compared to the am77/C2100
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If you want it bone stock for the next 20+ years and still work like the day you bought it go 880. If you want to mod the pi$$ out of it for next to nothing and have unlimited potential for how to set it up go 1377. I have both and my 1377 was stockfor years then completely rebuilt it to exactly what i wanted. My 880 is still bone stock. Just no mods for it. You get what you bought and thats that. Its a great gun but will never change.
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Well my local wally world has the daisy 880 for 45 dollars, but no crossman 2100
I wonder how accurate it is compared to the am77/C2100
(gotta love these forums...20 mins typing response....timed out all lost...///trying again.)
Accuracy ?
Check out the GTA Shooting match gates. AM77 and 766 shooters are regulars
Can't remember seeing an 880.
Last match of the year, 10 yd multi-pump (MSP) won by a, BB abused, 766, with a cheap ($15)
5moa red dot from a Crosman T4 pistol.
(that score would have been 3rd in Open 10 yd match, right behind the same shooter, same day, with a
'71 Rocker Blue Streak w/ Williams peep sight (well known rifle, admired for its un-deniable accuracy)
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=38301.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=38301.0)
Sorry if this seems self-serving, wish it were someone else, but accuracy facts about the
2100/AM77/766 platform remain the same. Put a small scope on the stock metal dove tails,
and see how much more can be done with a scope and younger better eyes !
((BTW The 59 year old shooter has had no shooting training, and does not hunt.
Just shoots and plink's at targets with airguns that are really fun to shoot.)))
"out of the box" plink'n, undisputed best BANG for your buck. . . . . . . . .2100/AM77
IF you dont want the varible power of a Multi-pump, and 15-20 yard maximum range is OK..
Check out the Daisy 953 at around $100. Never handled or seen one, but gets good press.
AM77 vs 880...
For the difference in proven preformance, $10-$25, is not really that much for a rifle that has
a 30+ year lifetime, if reasonably taken care of. Skimping $5-$10, between new 2100/AM77 and
an 880 doesnt make sense to me.
When shopping for my 766, it was really hard to choose the $5 extra for it over the 760. ( $$$ was very tight )
Learned later in other hobbies;
Choose cheap, enjoyment cheap, loose interest.
Chose Quality, get quality experience, = life time passion.
(+... if you loose interest...better resale value ! )
I play guitar,,,many years,, cheap insturments,, lost interest... came back, bought cheap again...lost interest.
tried agin, s t r e t c h e d budget....now playing every day for last 8 years, on that same Quality guitar.
The difference in $$$ vs enjoyment, far exceed the extra $
( wish I cud have those lost years of pick'n and strum'n back !)
In the range of your stated budget for plink'n, there is nothing under $120 (Sheridan or Benji used in good condition)
That will better suit your parameters.
jmho
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Well I'm definitely getting a benj 392
Just thought having a cheap knock around plinker would be fun, but maybe I should just put that 50 towards an optic or something for the benj?
Where's the best place to buy a benj?
I really appreciate the well thought out and written responses!!!!
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I believe pyramydair is running a sale on all their Benjamin Products, last time I looked the had those Benji pumpers for only $144.
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putting optics on a benji (or sheridan) is not easy. you need block mounts (about 20 bucks) or better yet the b suare specialty mounts, or the one that i prefer is the b suare IZH46 mounts. put it in the front over the pump arm, use a pistol scope (or any long eye relief scope or red dot) and voila! instant scout rifle. But all optics are off now... best option is the william peep sight. or shoot it with the original sights.
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http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/scopes-mounts-binoculars-spotting-scopes-access/benjamin-air-rifles-scope-mount/ (http://www.rlairgunsupply.com/scopes-mounts-binoculars-spotting-scopes-access/benjamin-air-rifles-scope-mount/)
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+ 1 for lillysdad's advice...
and +1 for your choice of a better quality gun...
I have two Blue Streaks (Sheridan rifle nearly same gun as Benji 397/2 models, just in .20 cal )
One is stock notch and blade sights, the other is Williams peep rear with stock front blade.
For me, I like the simplier pleasure of open sights for plinking. Even with old, very correction needy eyes,
the open sights are just plane more FUN...for me.
I have two nice springers, and have taken the glass off of them and am shooting them 'peep'd' too.
For your selection, think about the caliber choice between the .22 benji 392 and the .177 Benji 397.
If just for plink'n pleasure, .177 ammo will be cheaper, and still very capabale of small game hunting.
and.... fewer pumps to get reasonable plink'n power and range. ;)
Enjoy the shopping journey... sometimes as much fun as the get'n.
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Hmm well I was dead set on a 392, in case I need to hunt with it in a survival situation
But the 397 can be had, refurbed, for $99. I will consider the 177 instead for plinking, since that's what it'll mostly be used for anyways, and since it is the less expensive right now(no 392 refurbs available)
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392's are trouble....most have to be gone through and rec-rowned and heavens knows what else to make them shoot right...2100/AM77 dead reliable right out of the box.
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my vote is for the remington am77.....that is a great price too....but, i can get a crosman 2100 from wally cheaper than that one with shipping....also like the 1377 and the 1322...i have both...as well as a crosman model 1 .22 that shoots awesome 8)
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392 do not need to be recrowned. like all sheridans and benjis they get runoff from the paint into the crown. clean it off with some solvent. never run a steel brush on the barrel. they are soft and made out of brass. u will ruin the rifling. synthetic brushes and pads...thats all
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As much as I'd love to say 880, I think that the AM77 is probably a better choice. But the 880 is still good, and a lot of fun.
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Crosman BenjaminŽ 392 Air Rifle $140
http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_30829_-1__?Ntt=392&Ntk=All (http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_30829_-1__?Ntt=392&Ntk=All)
Crosman Doomsday Bug Out Kit $80
http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_674403_-1__?Ntt=bugout&Ntk=All (http://www.academy.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Product_10151_10051_674403_-1__?Ntt=bugout&Ntk=All)