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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Muzzzy on January 23, 2013, 02:33:59 PM
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Does anyone have any experience with shooting wadcutter's on a 22cal gun. I'm sure they are capable of shooting better groups than I have achieved with my gun.
I am shooting them at around 925FPS. I'm thinking I may need to slow them down a bit but I don't want to wrenching on my gun and my current settings if it's waste of time.
Thanks for any input
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What distance are you shooting with wad cutters? I've read that their accuracy begins to diminish past around 20 yds due to their shape.
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We shoot exactly 20yds. We have an indoor league for the winter months to keep us sharp. And wadcutters cut a much cleaner hole than any others ( maybe thats why they call them wadcutters).
It's not a major issue but sometimes a shot close to the line would be easier to see. We shoot everything off hand at 20yds.
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Test the pellets for group size off a bench, NOT from the standing position.
You need to remove the human variable (you) from the picture. The standing position is the hardest to hold steady, so is the worst for determining groupings.
You need to try different wadcutter pellets to determine which pellet is the best for your rifle at that range. Each gun is an individual, you may be using a wadcutter that your rifle does NOT like.
You might be running into that fuzzy area where the wadcutter is starting to destabilize.
Try shooting a round head pellet, and see if that makes a difference.
925fps is very fast for a target gun. My match guns are down 600fps and below. This "might" be a contribution to them destabilizing.
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The dome style pellets ( JSB ) are very accurate. We will try to slow em down a bit.
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Aren't that many good .22 WC's, and so far they haven't liked high speeds ("high" with WC's being over 800fps...and so far, under 725 has always been better).
Consider that WC's are ballistic ping-pong balls in terms of BC. They slow down so quickly that even kicked out at decently high speeds they are more about short range than long range. Can often find some that are good enough for 20-30yard pest shooting, but the accuracy tends to get crappy at longer ranges.
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The .22 wad cutters hat have been good short range performers for me in my Talons SS are the RWS Meisterkugelns and the H&N Sport pellets.
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I used H&N Sport Wadcutters in my modded 2240 and they were superb so I bought about 8 tins. Then I gave my 2240 away and found out the H&N Sports wouldn't group with either my .22 HW50 or my .22 HW95. Not even at 10 yards. So I sold most of them. The cheap Gamos did slightly better but not great. I resorted to Beeman Silver Bears, which leave a nice wadcutter type hole in paper but they're expensive so I usually shoot domed.
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First, slow down that gun! It is very possible you are overdriving the pellets causing accuracy issues.
Second, in .22, I like H&N Sport and RWS Meisterkugeln flat nosed pellets for target shooting and plinking.
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I have found Stoeger Xsport to be quite accurate.
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I haven't had much luck either. My AA S515 kinda likes the Meister's. H&N's are really bad in this gun but they do OK in my Hatsan super 25 (shooting at 520 FPS)
I have to turn the air down on the gun to well below 700 FPS to get any kind of reasonable results.
Of course every gun is gonna be different. I have noticed that my .177 wadcutters shoot with the same accuracy as a domed or pointed pellet.
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I haven't had much luck either. My AA S515 kinda likes the Meister's. H&N's are really bad in this gun but they do OK in my Hatsan super 25 (shooting at 520 FPS)
I have to turn the air down on the gun to well below 700 FPS to get any kind of reasonable results.
Of course every gun is gonna be different. I have noticed that my .177 wadcutters shoot with the same accuracy as a domed or pointed pellet.
From the Straightshooters website about the S500/510:
Special Note: You may notice that only domed/round-headed pellets were used in our velocity tests for PCP air guns. While conducting velocity tests on PCP's we noticed guns with magazines tend to load easier with the domed/round-headed pellets than any other style. Digging a little deeper we also discovered many manufactures recommend round headed pellets for their PCP's because they are easier (less wear and tear) on breech o-rings and magazine o-rings.
Because of this we only test the domed/round-headed pellets and will only recommend those pellets as well.
Hope this helps.
Eric
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I haven't had much luck either. My AA S515 kinda likes the Meister's. H&N's are really bad in this gun but they do OK in my Hatsan super 25 (shooting at 520 FPS)
I have to turn the air down on the gun to well below 700 FPS to get any kind of reasonable results.
Of course every gun is gonna be different. I have noticed that my .177 wadcutters shoot with the same accuracy as a domed or pointed pellet.
From the Straightshooters website about the S500/510:
Special Note: You may notice that only domed/round-headed pellets were used in our velocity tests for PCP air guns. While conducting velocity tests on PCP's we noticed guns with magazines tend to load easier with the domed/round-headed pellets than any other style. Digging a little deeper we also discovered many manufactures recommend round headed pellets for their PCP's because they are easier (less wear and tear) on breech o-rings and magazine o-rings.
Because of this we only test the domed/round-headed pellets and will only recommend those pellets as well.
Hope this helps.
Eric
Thanks for this info. I never would have considered those possibilities. But, it all makes perfectly good sense.