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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: oakey on January 21, 2013, 12:16:54 AM
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Twing Twang Buzz Bang. I think this gun needs some love. To buzzy for me. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Oak
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Flatten and sand the spring ends, then light coat of moly, a thrust washer coated with ptfe,placed inside the piston before the spring is put back in.
Heavy tar on the spring, that remains inside the piston.
Or a vortek kit or a Air rifle headquarters kit.
The lubes come from Air rifle headquarters .com
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Vortek PG2 kit. Killed all the twang in mine. It now has a very smooth shot cycle.
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Congrats Oakey,
Put up some pics, how was your fit and finish ?
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I was thinking about sending it out to John Thomas in PA for the works. I spoke with him today it's gonna cost about $230.00 with shipping. I might not be able to do that. I looked at a Vortek HW95-PG2 Tune Kit about 100.00 bucks shipped it comes with spring lube. I can swing that 100.00. I swapped out the trigger on my Benjamin XL1100 for a Charlie da Tuna it was cake. Just wondering if this job is too much for me. Does anyone know if I need a spring Compressor for a new R9? Or anything outside what is in this kit to smooth this beauty out.
Does anyone have an opinion on what kit would better serve my needs or which kits you have worked with I went to both Vortek and Air rifle headquarters kit? Suggestions, opinions and facts greatly appreciated. Also I am not sure how to put up pic's?
Thanks
Oaks
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Both of my R9's have the Vortek kit. Shot cycle is nice and crisp now. The Vortek kit will also give you a little extra fpe. If you have any questions shoot Tom an email at Vortek. He will answer all your questions
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Some have stated working on the R-9 is pretty easy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLNxy93HhQ#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfLNxy93HhQ#ws)
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Kailua thanks I was just watching this. I wanted input from folks on the board who had experience with this gun. These three videos are very helpful. Really I would love to send it out to John Thomas because I have heard so much great stuff about his work and to boot I spoke to him today he is a quality individual and I believe from what is said he is very good at what he does.
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Some have stated working on the R-9 is pretty easy.
I think they're easy to work on but please be aware that the rifle in the posted video is the lower powered UK version. I would (and do) use some kind of spring compressor for the US version
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I am shipping it off today to John in PA
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The R9 is shipped! The check is in the mail. ;D
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Congrats on the new shooter.....
Just a word of advise ....Before you get too involved in it .. Break it down and inspect your compression tube for pitting.
It appears some units in this latest batch have some issues. I know it because it was evident in the last two units I received.
PA made it right, but the issue is still something HW has to address. When all is said and and done, I love my R9.
Happy shootin to ya!
Petey
(http://i1193.photobucket.com/albums/aa347/NPetey/IMG_1145_zps75249f45.jpg)
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Sure John in PA will be checking over this gun with the utmost of care. But I am praying there is no damage like this.
Thanks
Oaks
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Twing Twang Buzz Bang. I think this gun needs some love. To buzzy for me. Any suggestions?
Thanks
Oak
I've owned, tuned, sold a bunch of R9s (tuned and sold two to my brother and one to my uncle) and I currently own a recent R9 with the new design cocking shoe and barrel latch detail. After receiving the new R9 last year I also noticed that it was a pretty twangy and rough cockier straight from the box. Perhaps all my R9s through the years were that way when new but I didn't notice the roughness as much since I've only shot home tuned R9 for a couple decades, and I hadn't bought a new R9 for years. LOL, prior to my newest R9 I paid "only" $339.99 for the previous R9 as this pic of the first patch pulled through the bore before shooting shows......
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/firstpatchthrubore.jpg)
While the previous R9s were twangy I used to shoot a few groups in "factory twang mode" and found that while the shot cycle was a "BOINK/BUZZZZ", the accuracy was always excellent and EVERY R9 I owned would shoot five CPLs into a 1/2" diameter circle at 30 yards. Since I prefer a "boinkless/buzzless" shot cycle I broke down my later R9s for a home tune without even shooting a few "before tune" groups.
Anywhoo.......back to my newest R9............
LOL..... I didn't even do a chrony test so I have no idea what the velocity was from the box. As mentioned, previously I home tune all my springers using tight fitting Delrin guides and I also have been fitting oring sealed piston caps to my HW springers (I use both a HW77 and the R9). After fitting the new R9 with a spring kit based on an old Maccari light wire spring (34 coils of .120 wire) and the oring sealed piston cap I was getting an accurate CPL velocity of around 870fps, plus after shooting a box of CPLs (1250 count boxes) I found that the cocking action of the new R9 has smoothed up very nicely, and the home fitted spring guides have killed all twang and vibration. By the way, you can get the same "twang/vibration" killing by installing a Vortek or Maccari spring kit without the need to "roll your own" if you have a bit of mechanical ability and can follow a few instructions.
Recently I did switch from the traditional "tar and molly paste" lubing system I used for decades. I stripped my new R9 of all "traditional lubes" and relubed with the newer, expensive, NON-DIESELING "high tech lube" called Krytox GPL205. and after a couple thousand shots the cocking action has gone from "rough and gritty" to "smooth as butter"! Personally, i attribute most of the smoothness gains to simply shooting the gun, however the cocking action has improved with the Krytox application.
Personally, I prefer the design and function of the new R9 vs the older models, but I've used the older designed R9 for decades with no issues as long as they were properly lubed!
Here a pic of my new R9 Hunter Class Field Target rig that I also use for everything from plinking to squirrel hunting........
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9Aug7.jpg)
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Here are a few pics of my most recent .177 R9............
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9a.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9b.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9c.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9d.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9e.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9f.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9g.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v734/wved/Airguns/NewR9h.jpg)
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Thanks nced. I like that rifle she is a varmint killing machine you have her in .22?
The squirrels were running all over my back yard this morning. With a can of JSB EXACT JUMBO Diabolo's and my XL 1100 .22 sitting next to the sliding glass door I couldn't do a thing with the kids in the kitchen and by the time they were up and gone so were those furry little rats.
I shot maybe 500+ through my R9 before sending it off to be tuned. I am new to high end air pellet rifles. I am very mechanically inclined but I figured John from PA will do a better job then me. I am going to start by tuning and lubing my XL. I swapped the trigger out of that one with a Charlie da Tuna GRT-lll made a world of a difference.
You use the Krytox GPL205 instead of all the other lubes or do you use a combo?
I know there is a lube kit on the Maccari site.
Thanks
Oaks
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Thanks nced. I like that rifle she is a varmint killing machine you have her in .22?
The squirrels were running all over my back yard this morning. With a can of JSB EXACT JUMBO Diabolo's and my XL 1100 .22 sitting next to the sliding glass door I couldn't do a thing with the kids in the kitchen and by the time they were up and gone so were those furry little rats.
I shot maybe 500+ through my R9 before sending it off to be tuned. I am new to high end air pellet rifles. I am very mechanically inclined but I figured John from PA will do a better job then me. I am going to start by tuning and lubing my XL. I swapped the trigger out of that one with a Charlie da Tuna GRT-lll made a world of a difference.
You use the Krytox GPL205 instead of all the other lubes or do you use a combo?
I know there is a lube kit on the Maccari site.
Thanks
Oaks
Oaks.........I started with .177 HW springers a few decades ago, then had a one year shooting/hunting session when I used both the .20 and .22 barrels on my R9 (the .22 was a R1 barrel that I had chopped and choked), then reverted back to .177 cal which I preferred for all my shooting and have used since.
I can pretty reliably "brain shoot" a squirrel at 40 yards under field conditions with the flatter shooting .177 pellets, however with either the .20 or .22 cal pellet in a springer of the R9 power level I had issues with guessing the proper hold over past 30 yards to compensate for the loopier trajectory. I do have to say that out to 30 yards it didn't make a nickles difference what barrel I used, but past 30 yards the .177 was more reliable for ME.
I guess it's different strokes for different folks because there are many that praise the R9 in .20 and .22 cal, I'm just not one of them.
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all three of my rifles are .22 cal. When I first ordered the R9 it was .20 cal but Pyramid Air kept changing the delivery dates so when they put the delivery date off for another month I canceled the order and got the .22 which was in stock. The R9 is now on it's way back to me. PA John finished it. It's now sitting in the Post Office in PA waiting to get shipped out to NYS. Excited!
Oakey
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Thanks nced. I like that rifle she is a varmint killing machine you have her in .22?
The squirrels were running all over my back yard this morning. With a can of JSB EXACT JUMBO Diabolo's and my XL 1100 .22 sitting next to the sliding glass door I couldn't do a thing with the kids in the kitchen and by the time they were up and gone so were those furry little rats.
I shot maybe 500+ through my R9 before sending it off to be tuned. I am new to high end air pellet rifles. I am very mechanically inclined but I figured John from PA will do a better job then me. I am going to start by tuning and lubing my XL. I swapped the trigger out of that one with a Charlie da Tuna GRT-lll made a world of a difference.
You use the Krytox GPL205 instead of all the other lubes or do you use a combo?
I know there is a lube kit on the Maccari site.
Thanks
Oaks
Ooooppppssss.....I forgot to mention that my newest R9 is internally and externally lubed with only Krytox 205, except for the RemOil for wiping the gun down after use. Matter of fact, before re-lubing with the Krytox I stripped all existing lubes with brake cleaner, then applied the Krytox GPL205. Really wonderful stuff that won't diesel, it's wonderfully slick, and it's longer lasting than the molly paste I used to use.
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Just got back the R9 from PA tuned. The shot cycle is amazing no more twing twang. No more funky circular reverberations durning shot cycle. It is crisp and clean. I have not checked it for accuracy just got a few shots off out the back door.
Before tune stats: with 14.6 beeman F.T.S pellets
Average was 654.0.
High was 660.2
Low 648.9
the gun was super accurate prior to tune.
Trigger pull average 2lbs 3.4oz
After tune Stats
Average was 725.3
High 729.5
Low 721.9
Did not check accuracy yet.
trigger pull average 1lb 1oz very light
can't wait to slap up some targets and accuracy test. John said accuracy was good.
Excited
Oakey
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all three of my rifles are .22 cal. When I first ordered the R9 it was .20 cal but Pyramid Air kept changing the delivery dates so when they put the delivery date off for another month I canceled the order and got the .22 which was in stock. The R9 is now on it's way back to me. PA John finished it. It's now sitting in the Post Office in PA waiting to get shipped out to NYS. Excited!
Oakey
While I personally prefer the .177 cal in a R9 power level springer, I do have to say that when I was using .20 and .22 barrels on the R9 I preferred the .22 cal. I do have to mention that in those days there was no JSB pellet so I found that the .20 Beeman FTS was about the only pellet of choice. With the .20 cal and the emergence of the JSB brand, perhaps the situation has changed.
Ole "Doc Beeman" pushed the .20 cal pretty hard claiming that it was the "best of both worlds". My personal opinion is that the .20 is "the worst of both worlds" when shot with a R9 power level springer. By that I mean that the .20 wasn't as flat shooting as the .177 and not as "thumpy" as the .22 cal. LOL....with the R9 I owned at that time (perhaps a decade ago) I could extract about the same velocity from the .22 cal as the .20 and I had a large selection of .22 pellets to choose from. With my .20 R9 the only pellet that was as accurate as my .177 R9 was the rather heavy Crosman Premier at 14.3 grains. The problem for me was that the .20 CP shot at only 650fps which made for a VERY loopy trajectory.
Anywhoo.......today, if I HAD to choose between the .20 and the .22 cal R9 I'd opt for the .22 cal as you did. Funny thing about the .20 cal was that the fatter pellet did bust up the squirrel considerably more than the .177 cal, however the squirrel didn't drop any faster. My brother and uncle both claimed the same thing when they used my .20 R9 so when it came time for them to buy they also opted for the .177. Kinda strange I know, but true story!
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I bought my R9 over a year ago. I wanted a good 20 caliber and that's what I got. From the first time I fired it, it twanged so badly I hated to shoot it. The noise was so distracting I just put it away and let it stand. One day, while here on the GTA, I was griping about "my new R9 being so noisy I didn't like shooting it". Several members told me that the twang I kept hearing was something that R9s were famous for. Seems that it happens in nearly every one of 'em. Long story short, I contacted Shadow ( Ed ) who told me a tune would solve the trouble. I sent it to him and with-in a couple of weeks I had one of the smoothest, quietest shooters I've ever had. I love that 20 caliber R9. I have no idea what the chrony numbers may be and I don't really care. It's a pleasure to shoot, now.
I think you'll really be happy that you sent yours in for a tune.
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The newly tuned R9 is all over the place. I have 75 shots through her and I can not group anything. When I mean all over the place we are talking inches all over the place. I am going to take my new Hawke Scope off and try another one of my scopes on it. Don't have the time today but I hope over the week I can get to it. When the Nine was being tuned I was using the Hawke on my XL 1100 and if I am correct it was shooting well.
Oakey
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The newly tuned R9 is all over the place. I have 75 shots through her and I can not group anything. When I mean all over the place we are talking inches all over the place. I am going to take my new Hawke Scope off and try another one of my scopes on it. Don't have the time today but I hope over the week I can get to it. When the Nine was being tuned I was using the Hawke on my XL 1100 and if I am correct it was shooting well.
Oakey
Hummm.......while I have to admit that sometimes the only thing my home tune accomplished was a twang free and smoother shot cycle but so far I've never had my R9 group WORSE than before the tune. I've read a lot of posts with phrases like "more linear shot cycle"......"less hold sensitive" bla bla bla, but with my shooting ability I couldn't tell much difference.
Assuming that the obvious things have been ruled out like loose stock screws, bad scope, poor barrel pivot adjustment, etc..........I can only make a couple suggestions that may or may not apply to your newly tuned R9. Is there a possibility that your fpe was increased with the tune and the gun has become more hold sensitive? I've found that the R9 really shines when tuned to the 12-14 fpe level, however once the power gets into the 15-16 fpe range the relatively light R9 can become more hold sensitive requiring a more consistent shooter form. Perhaps the tune affected the "most accurate pellet choice", or perhaps the gun simply needs some more break-in time. Have you chronied the gun to see if the velocity is consistent (best done after a few hundred shots). I personally prefer shot to shot consistency of my R9s to be within 10fps or so.
Anywhoo........shoot the gun some more and keep us posted with the results!
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Thanks nced. Yes the average velocity went from 654 to 725 with the tune. Though that is great I would much rather have that consistent accuracy instead of increased power. I found the opportunity to take the nine out again tonight. I didn't change the scope. I attempted to zero the Hawke at 10 yards instead of 20 yards. I also used heavier pellets this time which seemed to shrink the groups a little but still the groups are not great. I was almost shooting through a ragged hole prior to shipping her off to PA John. I will continue to shoot her like you mentioned maybe you are right maybe she is even more hold sensitive now then before or then again maybe she just needs more shots through her to calm her down.
Thanks
Oaks
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Hey Oaks. Just went thru something similar. Long story very short. New TX that loved 3 pellets. CPLs being one of them. After around 3,000 shots it went from awesome groups with them to shotgun patterns. Sent scope back and tried all the usual. As it turned out, after break in, it simply will not shoot these pellets any longer. Ugh
Just a suggestion, try some different lead.
Hope you get her straightened out.
Joe
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Funny you are bringing this up after getting frustrated shooting JSB EXACT JUMBO DIABALO 18 grains pellets, I started shooting 14.3 grain Webley Accu-pell, Domed Pellets and she started grouping tighter much of what you would expect for an R9. I am also noticing open palm artillery hold is not working so I have closed my hand lightly around forearm of the stock and she seemed to group up much tighter. I will continue to feel her out but any and all feed back is welcome. I am no expert matter of fact I am rather new to these extraordinary guns.
2/24 I did a plinking session my R9 has been shooting with much more consistency and the groups have shrunk up a bit. I am still perfecting my hold as you know these guns are hold sensitive. Since the tune the hold sensitivity has changed it no longer fires well with an artillery hold.
Oaks